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Title: A free land for bitcoin
Post by: ludyyy on November 30, 2020, 05:11:36 AM
Is there any chance that we can find a place like Africa or island in pacific ocean to make bitcoin a totally legal currency?no shit from government.


Title: Re: A free land for bitcoin
Post by: Lorence.xD on November 30, 2020, 05:45:52 AM
It will be difficult to be honest, we can't do this on a country or nation scale. This idea in my opinion is a experimental economy. Like how they are creating Special Economic Zone where they practice these kinds of ideas like Universal Basic Income. It should pass in test phase to see its viability but right now, I think the chances is still slim to none.


Title: Re: A free land for bitcoin
Post by: cryptomaniac_xxx on November 30, 2020, 06:57:54 AM
Is there any chance that we can find a place like Africa or island in pacific ocean to make bitcoin a totally legal currency?no shit from government.

I really don't know if you are aware that, Japan is set to begin recognizing bitcoin as a legal method of payment starting tomorrow. (https://www.coindesk.com/japan-bitcoin-law-effect-tomorrow), this news is April 2017, or Bitcoin To Become ‘Just Like Money’ In Australia July 1 (https://cointelegraph.com/news/bitcoin-to-become-just-like-money-in-australia-july-1) - July of 2017.


Title: Re: A free land for bitcoin
Post by: k@suy on November 30, 2020, 07:53:22 AM
It will be difficult to be honest, we can't do this on a country or nation scale. This idea in my opinion is a experimental economy. Like how they are creating Special Economic Zone where they practice these kinds of ideas like Universal Basic Income. It should pass in test phase to see its viability but right now, I think the chances is still slim to none.

It may possible but its difficult and for sure we were going to wait for long time for a free land for bitcoin. We all know that even bitcoin or cryptocurrency were now attracting more investors but yet the some government of nation didn't considered yet the existence of bitcoin. What some nation do was they made their own digital currency that they will going to used inside in there respective countries which i didn't know if it have a negative effect to bitcoin.


Title: Re: A free land for bitcoin
Post by: barto123 on November 30, 2020, 08:41:03 AM
Bitcoin is a free land everywhere.

The truth is you cannot regulate Bitcoin. It's censorship-free money.

It doesn't really matter what governments do at the end of the day.

They can make every law under the sun.

Reality is, as long as a person has access to the internet, they can use Bitcoin.

Bitcoin breaks the monopoly on money; this is good for the people.

The privacy implementations will only improve - Taproot, Schnorr, CoinJoin, Lightning etc

I'm betting open-source code beats government surveillance; they're playing a losing battle.

Once a Bitcoin-only-economy forms outside of government control, there's no stopping it.


Title: Re: A free land for bitcoin
Post by: yayayo on November 30, 2020, 08:53:16 AM
I think it's just a matter of time before the Bitcoin and cryptocurrency was going to accepted in a country or maybe a right law or implementation would help us with that.
I remember this topic https://www.thelocal.se/20070112/6076 wherein The Pirate Bay plans to buy an island.

ya.ya.yo!


Title: Re: A free land for bitcoin
Post by: Wexnident on November 30, 2020, 09:02:52 AM
Remove the Government and we wouldn't have problems now, would we? Kidding aside, Bitcoin, in general, isn't really a controllable asset, countries may ban it as they like but they can't stop people from using it, especially with how it doesn't even give a peep of who you are (as long as you don't give away your info like an idiot that is). Give it some time, countries would give up sooner or later in banning it since they're just basically wasting their effort in trying to do so.

And on that note, we don't really need an island, nor do we need countries to acknowledge Bitcoin is legal. It exists because it exists, that's basically it. It's inevitable, just like how arguing with a rock would produce nothing.


Title: Re: A free land for bitcoin
Post by: jademaxsuy on November 30, 2020, 09:27:30 AM
Not for now, bitcoin maybe accepted by the community but probably not by the government. This is the current status of bitcoin for now. Many people do use it already and others are still exploring but the government did not support any of these in fact other countries are banning digital currency especially the ICO projects. However, they are limiting the community to get involve in bitcoin and other establish altcoins as well. Might an indicator that we are heading towards full adaptation. Well, it all depend on how strong bitcoin will be and sustainable in the long run. For now, bitcoin is doing well and this has been my observation. Hopefully it will going to prosper over a period of time.


Title: Re: A free land for bitcoin
Post by: Question123 on November 30, 2020, 09:30:24 AM
We should be thankful for the other country who recognized bitcoin even they did not accept the bitcoin legally to their country.

Even they did not accept bitcoin it's okay because many people are still believe to the bitcoin and what more if each country will accept bitcoin legally expect the value will rise more because there is a lot of people will buy bitcoin and trust.


Title: Re: A free land for bitcoin
Post by: rdbase on November 30, 2020, 09:33:11 AM
I remember a story of such a thing was made up several years ago by cointelegraph about an african rapper called akon.
They were talking about creating a city running only on a cryptocurrency
And just last week I hear of talks he was speaking of it coming into it's own and it is ready to launch if it hasn't already at the beginning of next year.
https://audius.co/DeFiRadio/akoin-rolls-out-to-kenyan-tech-city-in-first-step-toward-akon-city--171758


Title: Re: A free land for bitcoin
Post by: franky1 on November 30, 2020, 09:37:58 AM
Bitcoin is a free land everywhere.
The truth is you cannot regulate Bitcoin. It's censorship-free money.

government cannot regulate bitcoin blockchain. but it can regulate the off-ramps back and forth between fiat.
EG make laws to prevent retailers accepting anything but fiat
EG make laws to prevent 'money services' from offering exchange/custodial services

thus they can regulate bitcoin into the dark market/boiler room/basement trader economy.

..
over the last decade many 'projects'/ICO tried to promote schemes whereby they hoped for investment to make 'freelands' where the currency of that land was purely bitcoin. but in the end it just turned out as money grabbing greed attempts

bitcoin should not be thought of as something people want as the 'new world order single currency' but instead keep fiat as the national currency that can take on all the crap debt. while separetly allow free flow of asset/wealth holding in bitcoin

EG Fiat is your credit card debt and bitcoin is your savings account.
keeping them separate so you can write off/dissolve/bankrupt your fiat account without it intruding into your savings account

EG if US retailers were allowed to accept canadian dollars aswell as american dollars. people can set up a canadian account for savings and an american account for their credit/debt/mortgages. and if they got caught short with american repayments they can bankrupt their american identity and american cant then try to syphon off funds from the canadian account as its not their jurisdiction. .. in simplistic analogy.
after all thats how corporations get away with tax/debt.
..

if a 'freeland' was pure bitcoin. then the economy would be forced into also having to have methods of measuring 'minus bitcoin'(debt) and have processes to then reclaim that debt. thus ruining bitcoins whole purpose/function

so lets just be happy for open choice and not 'one world currency' situation


Title: Re: A free land for bitcoin
Post by: Altcoinsintel on November 30, 2020, 09:39:27 AM
This might be possible in a ship on international waters. I don't think that any government will ever accept Bitcoin without taxation or restrictions. Taxation is also important for the infrastructure of each country.
I'm not totally against regulations as they have importance, I am against a blanket ban of Bitcoin.


Title: Re: A free land for bitcoin
Post by: sunsilk on November 30, 2020, 12:54:34 PM
Is there any chance that we can find a place like Africa or island in pacific ocean to make bitcoin a totally legal currency?no shit from government.
I don't think it will happen with a country that has an official currency. But how about taking a look at Akon's dream land? He has his own native token there but bitcoin would be much appreciated there.

Akon Is Ready To Build A $6 Billion Cryptocurrency City (https://www.forbes.com/sites/korihale/2020/08/18/akon-is-ready-to-build-a-6-billion-cryptocurrency-city/)


Title: Re: A free land for bitcoin
Post by: Jawhead999 on November 30, 2020, 01:16:58 PM
What you will do if Bitcoin is totally legal in your country?

Even though you live in country that banning Bitcoin, it doesn't mean you can't buy it. You can buy Bitcoin in DEXs, using VPN and Tor to make you untraceable. After that, you can sell or play around with that... so you don't need to wait until your country legally accept Bitcoin. Bitcoin is decentralized and any people can have it if they want.


Title: Re: A free land for bitcoin
Post by: Fundamentals Of on November 30, 2020, 01:30:29 PM
Let's not resort to looking for an Atlantis for the sake of Bitcoin becoming totally legal. Bitcoin is one hell of a currency even if the governments will not make it totally legal. It does not ask for the complete approval of any government for it to become a perfect currency. In its current form and despite the resistance of a lot of countries, it remains the best currency ever. There is no reason to hope for a utopia in this kind of dog eat dog world.


Title: Re: A free land for bitcoin
Post by: Gozie51 on November 30, 2020, 01:46:05 PM
We don't need such fighting for bitcoin. You look at bitcoin and you see a digital acceptance on it. We didn't do any fight for it when Facebook started allowing bitcoin related adds back again, we didn't fight for PayPal adoption but just work up to hear it and the latest is Visa on bitcoin. More will come and bitcoin will keep breaking through by itself.


Title: Re: A free land for bitcoin
Post by: stompix on November 30, 2020, 02:35:36 PM
Bitcoin is a free land everywhere.
The truth is you cannot regulate Bitcoin. It's censorship-free money.
It doesn't really matter what governments do at the end of the day.
They can make every law under the sun.

Yeah? What if they outlaw it?
What if everything will be forced to shut down, ATMs, businesses accepting bitcoins, bank transfers in and from exchanges?
Do you think at 10$ per coin 0.001% of the users here will still be around?
Just think what is driving now the price, it's the same approval you were thinking is not important, it's investors buying bitcoins through grayscale, is PayPal getting a license to allow customers to buy bitcoins.

They can and they have done so, you're simply deluding yourself that by sending 5$ to friends you're escaping government control while in fact the battle was lost years ago...

Akon Is Ready To Build A $6 Billion Cryptocurrency City (https://www.forbes.com/sites/korihale/2020/08/18/akon-is-ready-to-build-a-6-billion-cryptocurrency-city/)

Yeah, ready to...but since 2018 he has postponed the dates of the completion from 2023 to 2029.
https://www.businessinsider.com/akon-city-smart-city-senegal-akoin-2020-9
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But right now, Akon City is an empty 2,000-acre plot of land.

Trust me, this is will be one of the greatest failures of the century, probably outshining Berlin's Airport construction.


Title: Re: A free land for bitcoin
Post by: DoublerHunter on November 30, 2020, 05:01:42 PM
Is there any chance that we can find a place like Africa or island in pacific ocean to make bitcoin a totally legal currency?no shit from government.
^ Probably not an easy, since all the government around the globe would always want to have full control on the finances of their citizens. However, the idea is not far from becoming a reality since people are now more engaged with technology and aggressive when it comes to their properties as well as with their free will. Nevertheless, just because of these three and with absolute mass adoption the government couldn't go against this ideology anymore instead they will just adopt it. It will be implementing regulations that would still protect their citizens having bitcoins as another form of currency, probably these could also be the reason why some countries already legalized bitcoin as another method of payment besides it is their duty to protect and serve their nation and not to go against them.


Title: Re: A free land for bitcoin
Post by: SaShiRaJaVu on November 30, 2020, 05:10:26 PM
Is there any chance that we can find a place like Africa or island in pacific ocean to make bitcoin a totally legal currency?no shit from government.
Why do you need a place in Africa or any Island to have your own rules, you can have those rules even in your basement and call it your legal currency and no government will come after you until you do something notorious or anything criminal  :P.
I saw similar threads where people want to start their own island to call bitcoin which is foolish in itself which makes me cringe and the part i do not understand is that why can't they make it simple and start using bitcoin :D.


Title: Re: A free land for bitcoin
Post by: avikz on November 30, 2020, 05:48:33 PM
Is there any chance that we can find a place like Africa or island in pacific ocean to make bitcoin a totally legal currency?no shit from government.

It is very much possible but not easy to execute. We have few examples already and you can Google their story on how these countries were created. These are commonly known as micronations.

1. Principality of Sealand
2. Kailasha
3. Filettino

You can check this wiki page to have complete list of micronations,

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_micronations

However, you may not get acknowledged as a sovereign country by the United Nations. Also if you don't do anything illegal in nature, it's very unlikely to have interference from the government. So if you have funding, go ahead with it!



Title: Re: A free land for bitcoin
Post by: BALIK on November 30, 2020, 05:52:14 PM
Is there any chance that we can find a place like Africa or island in pacific ocean to make bitcoin a totally legal currency?no shit from government.

I really don't know if you are aware that, Japan is set to begin recognizing bitcoin as a legal method of payment starting tomorrow. (https://www.coindesk.com/japan-bitcoin-law-effect-tomorrow), this news is April 2017, or Bitcoin To Become ‘Just Like Money’ In Australia July 1 (https://cointelegraph.com/news/bitcoin-to-become-just-like-money-in-australia-july-1) - July of 2017.

Interestingly, not enough movement has happened neither on Japan's side nor on Australia side. I suppose these things do just take time, and the pandemic made every government think of the immediate threat rather than a more distant but inevitable future.


Title: Re: A free land for bitcoin
Post by: imstillthebest on November 30, 2020, 06:10:21 PM
this reminds me of a place inside a country where they do the same thing .

hire officials to make thier own government and bank to run thier own created currency and they are miles away from the governmemt but few people find them as a bad example because their currency wasnt official and said to be a scam but bitcoin was different because bitcoin wasnt a scam and it was already approved for use on most places .

if btc is illegal that will be hard because they will hunt you down


Title: Re: A free land for bitcoin
Post by: yhiaali3 on November 30, 2020, 06:23:07 PM
In my opinion, Bitcoin does not need an isolated land or a remote island, but rather it needs to be global. It is true that no country in the world has accepted Bitcoin officially and legally, but I am sure that there will come a day in the near future where all countries of the world accept Bitcoin legally and it becomes a reality. , The countries of the world cannot continue to ignore the power of Bitcoin and its penetration into people's daily lives, it is better for these countries to accept legally rather than to impose on them.


Title: Re: A free land for bitcoin
Post by: Ozero on November 30, 2020, 06:27:47 PM
Remove the Government and we wouldn't have problems now, would we? Kidding aside, Bitcoin, in general, isn't really a controllable asset, countries may ban it as they like but they can't stop people from using it, especially with how it doesn't even give a peep of who you are (as long as you don't give away your info like an idiot that is). Give it some time, countries would give up sooner or later in banning it since they're just basically wasting their effort in trying to do so.

And on that note, we don't really need an island, nor do we need countries to acknowledge Bitcoin is legal. It exists because it exists, that's basically it. It's inevitable, just like how arguing with a rock would produce nothing.
Of course, I would like to look at a similar experiment, where people would live in some separate territory without government and without traditional currencies, using only cryptocurrency.  I am absolutely sure that such a union of people in peace and harmony would not last long.  The nature of man is such that with such a form of organization of society, internal contradictions would quickly appear, the strong would dominate over the weak and everything would be the same - gangs, wars, bloodshed, and as a defense against all this, unification into a state.  On the other hand, how would the price of a cryptocurrency be determined if there were no traditional currencies and there was nothing to compare its value with?


Title: Re: A free land for bitcoin
Post by: hatshepsut93 on November 30, 2020, 07:18:48 PM
You can't just obtain a peace of land or even an aquatic territory, proclaim a state and expect other states to recognize you. And without recognition all your laws would be pretty useless. Yes, maybe Bitcoin will be de-facto a currency in your territory, but you can achieve this even in existing juristictions. When you are asking for it to be a legal currency, you need to establish a legal government first, and the only way to do so is to be recognized by at least some of the existing states, and preferably the influential ones.


Title: Re: A free land for bitcoin
Post by: Noctis Connor on November 30, 2020, 08:43:36 PM
It will be difficult to be honest, we can't do this on a country or nation scale. This idea in my opinion is a experimental economy. Like how they are creating Special Economic Zone where they practice these kinds of ideas like Universal Basic Income. It should pass in test phase to see its viability but right now, I think the chances is still slim to none.
Maybe someday if you win as president in your country that will create that kind of special zone where people use all bitcoin, It is true that the chances this kind of situation is really hard to go thru however if there are some senators who have courage to introduce bitcoin maybe there's a place for bitcoin that will accept into their country as a main method method to, not on phase testing but for real one. So people will knew the real benefits of bitcoin it self.


Title: Re: A free land for bitcoin
Post by: stompix on November 30, 2020, 08:53:37 PM
1. Principality of Sealand
2. Kailasha
3. Filettino

Hihi, a floating platform the size of a basketball field, an island that is actually still owned by Ecuador s buying land doesn't make it entirely yours, and a nation that didn't even become a nation. You could have added Liberland to the list, at least that one has a chance of being independent as nobody wants to have anything to do with that land which still might have a few landmines on it.

The whole thing of establishing a sovereign nation is a kid's dream, you're; unrecognized, any neighboring country can invade you and seize everything.
Besides, people are attracted to those projects to escape the governments and escape laws, you know what happened next, right? The powerful prey on the weak, and with no authority, it turns into the most dangerous place on earth, CHAZ (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitol_Hill_Autonomous_Zone#Shootings) is the perfect example, it started with vegetable gardens and ended with drug dealers shooting each other and the killing a 16 yo.

Of course, I would like to look at a similar experiment, where people would live in some separate territory without government and without traditional currencies, using only cryptocurrency.  I am absolutely sure that such a union of people in peace and harmony would not last long.  

About two days, 6 beers, and a few Scooby Snacks, maybe even less.


Title: Re: A free land for bitcoin
Post by: milewilda on November 30, 2020, 08:56:23 PM
Is there any chance that we can find a place like Africa or island in pacific ocean to make bitcoin a totally legal currency?no shit from government.
Knowing that bitcoin can make out transactions globally as long you do have internet then it doesnt mean that it would need a place or an island that solely making use of it
because the entire community would able to make transactions in between them without any intervention from the government.They can regulate those platforms or service
that do attached with it but doesnt mean that it would really be on full control and thats what decentralization means and that should really be enough.
There's no need on finding an island or some sort because overall they cant stop the entire crypto community specially with Bitcoin.


Title: Re: A free land for bitcoin
Post by: cr1776 on November 30, 2020, 09:15:17 PM
A country that truly adopts bitcoin and the ideals that underlay it would attract a lot of people. 

As some places have done with adopting favorable trust laws, a country that adopts a bunch of favorable bitcoin developer, investor laws etc will do well.  Perhaps an easier way is to convince a government somewhere of the benefits that would accrue if they were to do so. 

The authoritarians (socialist, fascist, communist etc) will grouse about it being a "race to the bottom" but that is only true if one considers liberty or freedom the "bottom".  It is more a race toward the top - liberty.



Title: Re: A free land for bitcoin
Post by: Shasha80 on November 30, 2020, 09:32:38 PM
There is no need to rush to find free land for Bitcoin, we only need to be patient so that Bitcoin can be accepted by all countries in the world.
Because it took time for the government to realize the importance of accepting Bitcoin legally, it may take a long process for the government
to legalize Bitcoin. We just enjoy the process, after all, we don't need to look for free land to be able to use Bitcoin. Even though the government
has banned Bitcoin, we can still use Bitcoin.


Title: Re: A free land for bitcoin
Post by: uneng on November 30, 2020, 09:35:23 PM
If you are an excentric rich guy you can buy a large piece of land or an island and *start* your own country.
Next you will need some close friendship with influent countries leaders to recognize your country towards the global community and to convince another countries to do the same. Also, don't forget you need to have citizens in your country, as just one man can can't compose a country properly. To make this you will need to make your country look attractive. Touristic appeal may be a good idea.


Title: Re: A free land for bitcoin
Post by: shield132 on November 30, 2020, 09:43:01 PM
Is there any chance that we can find a place like Africa or island in pacific ocean to make bitcoin a totally legal currency?no shit from government.
As far as I know, we know the entire earth and there is nothing to discover, right? But there are still some researches in north pole and in this area there are places where not even governments go for research. Okay, the joke is joke.
Theymos had a similar idea, to build a mostly-sovereign libertarian seastead with early bitcoiners since they were a new wealthy elite. He even chose the company - seasteading.org for that project but seems he wasn't that much seriously interested in it (but still interested). I think that thread may sound interesting for you, so I'll leave the link: We should build a seastead (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2418909)


Title: Re: A free land for bitcoin
Post by: Om.monata on November 30, 2020, 11:55:13 PM
Is there any chance that we can find a place like Africa or island in pacific ocean to make bitcoin a totally legal currency?no shit from government.
it seems it will be difficult if there are still any regulations for bitcoin, maybe bitcoin will be more suitable for online transactions in my opinion. if it must be imposed on a country, it will lead to the pros and cons of various parties


Title: Re: A free land for bitcoin
Post by: sunsilk on December 01, 2020, 06:12:43 AM
Akon Is Ready To Build A $6 Billion Cryptocurrency City (https://www.forbes.com/sites/korihale/2020/08/18/akon-is-ready-to-build-a-6-billion-cryptocurrency-city/)

Yeah, ready to...but since 2018 he has postponed the dates of the completion from 2023 to 2029.
https://www.businessinsider.com/akon-city-smart-city-senegal-akoin-2020-9
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But right now, Akon City is an empty 2,000-acre plot of land.

Trust me, this is will be one of the greatest failures of the century, probably outshining Berlin's Airport construction.

I thought that it's already on the go, those news that we had about him for this year makes it interesting. But hey thanks, for that update. The article that you have given is more recent.

it seems it will be difficult if there are still any regulations for bitcoin, maybe bitcoin will be more suitable for online transactions in my opinion. if it must be imposed on a country, it will lead to the pros and cons of various parties
Bitcoin is really suitable for that particular thing you have mentioned. It's not difficult for us to use bitcoin if there are regulations. Honestly, we can't avoid it if the country we reside starts to take notice of bitcoin and sees interest on it through regulation.


Title: Re: A free land for bitcoin
Post by: oktana on December 01, 2020, 06:30:26 AM
Whenever you talk about the government agreeing with bitcoin, our fellow forum members will say it's impossible, so,  I want to also ask, what about the US where there are Bitcoin ATMs(if I'm not wrong). Is the US government against these ATMs? Was it illegally mounted or what?


Title: Re: A free land for bitcoin
Post by: Cryptoreflector_666 on December 01, 2020, 06:34:04 AM
Is there any chance that we can find a place like Africa or island in pacific ocean to make bitcoin a totally legal currency?no shit from government.

I think that bitcoin may well become a legal currency primarily in small States (especially those that are limited to a single city), at least as an experiment. It is necessary to create conditions where both the state and its residents will receive a profit from using bitcoin and then legalization will not take long.


Title: Re: A free land for bitcoin
Post by: oliviarobert on December 03, 2020, 10:06:58 AM
We've been waiting for a bitcoin free land for a long time. The truth is, you can't regulate bitcoin. It doesn't matter what the government does at the end of the day. Bitcoin is likely to be accepted by the people, but not by the government. This is the current situation of bitcoin.


Title: Re: A free land for bitcoin
Post by: Gotumoot on December 03, 2020, 11:11:42 AM
I think it would only happen if some multimillionaire would buy an island and make it a private island for Bitcoin.
Even if that kind of island do exist not every Bitcoin enthusiast could go and live there.


Title: Re: A free land for bitcoin
Post by: dizzy1996 on December 06, 2020, 12:08:34 PM
It is very difficult to fully legalize bitcoin since there are many legislative nuances, and even more so, local authorities will try to build legislation in such a way as to make money on ordinary people, so unfortunately there is no place on earth where bitcoin could fully function


Title: Re: A free land for bitcoin
Post by: 7788bitcoin on December 06, 2020, 12:32:06 PM
It is very difficult to fully legalize bitcoin since there are many legislative nuances, and even more so, local authorities will try to build legislation in such a way as to make money on ordinary people, so unfortunately there is no place on earth where bitcoin could fully function
If you can convince a few stores owners in your locality to start accepting bitcoin then you can start using bitcoin for daily use. Here people are dreaming about starting their own legislation and for you to start using bitcoin you do not need such legalities until your current government turns against bitcoin, until then you can use them freely and most government will allow the use of bitcoin.


Title: Re: A free land for bitcoin
Post by: bryant.coleman on December 06, 2020, 12:51:22 PM
Is there any chance that we can find a place like Africa or island in pacific ocean to make bitcoin a totally legal currency?no shit from government.

LOL.. 4-5 years ago, I had created a thread to discuss the idea of an artificial island which is outside the EEZ of UN member countries. It was quite popular, but in the end the conclusion was that the idea was not viable. A lot of capital is required and there is no guarantee that the super-powers such as the United States and China would allow such an artificial island to come up in the international waters.


Title: Re: A free land for bitcoin
Post by: #dhabitamartha on December 06, 2020, 03:55:28 PM
in my country bitcoin is still safe and still active and there is no prohibition from the government regarding bitcoin storage but any risk of incidents of government bitcoin problems does not take the risk at its own responsibility and I still feel free in bitcoin users without government rules maybe there will be regulations but still in the design we look forward to. my hope bitcoin is still in my country officially from the government and protection from hackers.


Title: Re: A free land for bitcoin
Post by: fiulpro on December 06, 2020, 05:03:09 PM
Is there any chance that we can find a place like Africa or island in pacific ocean to make bitcoin a totally legal currency?no shit from government.
There is no way that any governmental body won't oppose to Bitcoins and other cryptocurrencies since the main thing is , in these countries where you mention in your post , there is a lot of Corruption. Which does mean that these countries will have a very hard time accepting a crypto which would actually make everything very open , it could be beneficial for the people but the government won't actually step up and try and legalize this , since they will always worry about cryptocurrencies being used in illegal activities.
I do believe what matters is: government shouldn't intervene in Bitcoins and other cryptocurrencies so much , they should treat Bitcoins as an asset which they have to protect!
In my native country it's very funny since the government cannot decide weather to benefit from Bitcoins or to ban it , but in the country am studying it's really amazing since people here also exchange Bitcoins for cash and you can very easily make transactions without any problems. Only problem is: not every shop accept Bitcoins, then again we have to correct the lightning network first for that.


Title: Re: A free land for bitcoin
Post by: Silberman on December 07, 2020, 07:08:49 AM
Is there any chance that we can find a place like Africa or island in pacific ocean to make bitcoin a totally legal currency?no shit from government.
Even if we could, which I doubt very much, is there a reason to do something like this? What has allowed bitcoin to outlive previous attempts to create a currency independent from government control is the fact that is decentralized and that you cannot simply confiscate a few servers and put some people in jail and kill the project, doing something like that will be the same as trying to centralize bitcoin and that place will soon be disbanded and all of that effort would have been for nothing, it is better that bitcoin keeps going in the direction it has and that it is governments themselves which convince themselves of the futility of pursing bitcoin and its users.


Title: Re: A free land for bitcoin
Post by: Latviand on December 07, 2020, 08:50:37 AM
I've already read a certain article regarding Bitcoin ATM's in Africa and I think that is a one sign of bitcoin adoption in their region.

It means that their development and approach towards cryptocurrency is advance compared to other countries who are having a hard time accepting and engaging in this kind of development. I believe that some countries in Asia will still grab the opportunity to accept and spend time learning the advantages and benefits of bitcoin in their economy.



Title: Re: A free land for bitcoin
Post by: Alucard1 on December 07, 2020, 09:12:35 AM
I think we have to wait for a long time before we see an acceptance of cryptocurrency in our country, there are already many innovations related to cryptocurrency so it is not impossible that someday it would be accepted in a country, let us just wait for it, if that would happen in the future then there would be many people who will get interested on it, which makes the community bigger.


Title: Re: A free land for bitcoin
Post by: XZERO1 on December 07, 2020, 10:07:36 AM
Is there any chance that we can find a place like Africa or island in pacific ocean to make bitcoin a totally legal currency?no shit from government.

Like there would be no tax for using and holding crypto either?, even though there are just a few of them left you can still find some countries that are crypto friendly or at least have no law against crypto and are tax free, but most of these countries have rather weak or almost non-existent economy, one country that comes to mind that has a good economy and at the same time it doesn't have any law against using or holding crypto with 0% tax on crypto is Portugal, it's a beautiful country too and I don't think there is any better alternative than this one when you want to move somewhere that is crypto friendly.


Title: Re: A free land for bitcoin
Post by: drlukacs on December 07, 2020, 06:22:03 PM
I think we have to wait for a long time before we see an acceptance of cryptocurrency in our country, there are already many innovations related to cryptocurrency so it is not impossible that someday it would be accepted in a country, let us just wait for it, if that would happen in the future then there would be many people who will get interested on it, which makes the community bigger.
I don't mean rich and poor, but adopting Bitcoin as a currency in African countries with poor economies won't have much of a positive effect.
They just have no choice but Bitcoin, nor can they use dollars as their primary currency because it belongs to the US government's copyright.  And Bitcoin has to be the only option and it just stops there and there is no other service evolution.  Do you think so? :-\


Title: Re: A free land for bitcoin
Post by: TimeTeller on December 07, 2020, 10:11:51 PM
Is there any chance that we can find a place like Africa or island in pacific ocean to make bitcoin a totally legal currency?no shit from government.

It is very much possible but not easy to execute. We have few examples already and you can Google their story on how these countries were created. These are commonly known as micronations.

1. Principality of Sealand
2. Kailasha
3. Filettino

You can check this wiki page to have complete list of micronations,

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_micronations

However, you may not get acknowledged as a sovereign country by the United Nations. Also if you don't do anything illegal in nature, it's very unlikely to have interference from the government. So if you have funding, go ahead with it!



And if I may add, we don't need to find those countries or places that will fully accept bitcoin or crypto.
Maybe, we can learn a thing or two from this family who are living with their bitcoin who visited about 40 countries so far.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5297498.0
https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/12/05/bitcoin-price-buying-bitcoin-how-this-family-buys-sells-everything-in-cryptocurrency.html
https://i.imgur.com/17r0wk9.png

So it shows us that it is in your disposition how you can live with bitcoin.
You don't need to find a place just to fulfil your ambition. It is already existing.


Title: Re: A free land for bitcoin
Post by: daarul50 on December 08, 2020, 12:45:17 PM
I think we have to wait for a long time before we see an acceptance of cryptocurrency in our country, there are already many innovations related to cryptocurrency so it is not impossible that someday it would be accepted in a country, let us just wait for it, if that would happen in the future then there would be many people who will get interested on it, which makes the community bigger.
Well if you would like to wait it to come to your place naturally, it might takes forever.
You need a power and huge connection like a mafia did to create the market, consumer, products and everything that run in our usual economics to make it a real bitcoin society and what you called as a free land for bitcoin.
If there is someone like pablo escobar who have huge influence and power , we can make it happened faster.


Title: Re: A free land for bitcoin
Post by: Asuspawer09 on December 08, 2020, 01:15:34 PM
Is there any chance that we can find a place like Africa or island in pacific ocean to make bitcoin a totally legal currency?no shit from government.

Bitcoin is already free and you could totally use it or buy bitcoin and in most of the countries around the world except for those of the countries where bitcoin is banned.

There are so many countries where bitcoin is totally legal but the government is always there to watch how the bitcoin could perform, If we could make our own country that would operate with bitcoin, it only need to have the bitcoin as its own currency without having fiat money in its country.

If the people in that country only used that currency it would totally work without any problem since anyone could just spend their bitcoin at any physical store without any other fiat options.


Title: Re: A free land for bitcoin
Post by: Nellayar on December 08, 2020, 01:48:57 PM
I think we have to wait for a long time before we see an acceptance of cryptocurrency in our country, there are already many innovations related to cryptocurrency so it is not impossible that someday it would be accepted in a country, let us just wait for it, if that would happen in the future then there would be many people who will get interested on it, which makes the community bigger.
As long as the cryptocurrency industry continuously grows, it may become a mainstream soon. Government acceptance is only needed when it comes to legalising cryptocurrency. Yet, the support of every crypto follower is more powerful. Cryptocurrency will become more develop once every person will be able to use it. If all people are already knowledgeable enough to understand how crypto works and how p2p transactions can ease and help us in our daily life. For sure, more years to come. We will see with our naked eyes on how will crypto grows in our community. To the point where we can use it to buy or sell whatever thing we want.


Title: Re: A free land for bitcoin
Post by: Yatsan on December 08, 2020, 10:45:54 PM
It is possible to have but it will be difficult and will take a hard time for that to come into reality. Living in a place or country where many people resides having different personalities will surely have different perspective toward a certain thing. Even we want to have a total space where all people are using and accepting Bitcoin, still it is far beyond possible as of this moment added on taking into concern the stand of the government where we currently reside. Even we urge want to make it happen, there are still things to consider. I am not saying it is impossible it is just real hard and difficult to make happen as of now. But maybe in the near future it can go possible without any worries at all.


Title: Re: A free land for bitcoin
Post by: Walterhank on December 10, 2020, 05:42:34 AM
I don't think it is possible as of now because there is so much which needs to developed in order to reach that level but maybe in the future, it could happen.


Title: Re: A free land for bitcoin
Post by: coinsolidation.org on December 10, 2020, 05:53:19 AM
Hi,

I think that we are still in the process of changes, the last thing, I have read is that there are already countries that are trying not to use physical money, this I think is a great step to later fully and legally introduce cryptocurrencies.

An example is Sweden. Then I gave a reference that i find interesting.

https://sweden.se/business/cashless-society/

Regards,


Title: Re: A free land for bitcoin
Post by: Kakmakr on December 10, 2020, 07:08:19 AM
Why do we need that, if we can already use bitcoin for many merchants? Yes, some people have to use payment processors and others have to sell their bitcoins for Fiat to survive on Bitcoin alone.... but we find innovative ways to bypass government restrictions.  ;)

A lot of people have tried to create small sovereign Bitcoin countries and islands and it all failed, because land is precious and governments needs power over citizens to receive taxes for their own salaries.... so they will never allow that.  >:(

I know Japan are the leader in the world, when it comes to allowing people to use Bitcoin as a payment option/currency... so they are slowly coming around to allowing Bitcoin as a currency.  ::)


Title: Re: A free land for bitcoin
Post by: sayaya17 on December 10, 2020, 07:42:58 AM
I don’t think so. The land is increasingly valuable because of the growing human population, and the government will not give away for free.
Bitcoin doesn’t need free land for many adoptions. If the government agrees and wants to use bitcoin freely and for all purposes,
it will legalize bitcoin in its country. But with bitcoin’s current existence, people can freely use it as an asset for investment, even in some
countries where it is legal and can be for all purposes. We’ve had enough of the situation now.


Title: Re: A free land for bitcoin
Post by: AndreeaIonescu on December 10, 2020, 10:15:15 AM
We should be thankful for the other country who recognized bitcoin even they did not accept the bitcoin legally to their country.

Even they did not accept bitcoin it's okay because many people are still believe to the bitcoin and what more if each country will accept bitcoin legally expect the value will rise more because there is a lot of people will buy bitcoin and trust.

Right!


Title: Re: A free land for bitcoin
Post by: acener on December 10, 2020, 08:05:43 PM
It would be nice if we could have something like it an island or place that only use Bitcoin and isn't controlled by government.
But do we really need it?
The adoptation or acceptance to crypto currency is doing great they are now recognizing it and accepting it as a payment option,
Soon enough we could finaly use it as a regular payment method on almost everything so I think we don't really need to have a free land for Bitcoin because Bitcoin would soon be accepted by everyone.


Title: Re: A free land for bitcoin
Post by: Willitivity on December 10, 2020, 11:44:02 PM
Is there any chance that we can find a place like Africa or island in pacific ocean to make bitcoin a totally legal currency?no shit from government.
This seems like a long shoot to me, it will definitely take some time for bitcoin to achieve this goals, cause from what I understand the government is against bitcoin, as bitcoin is a decentralized currency they have no control, the government don't want their citizens to use a decentralized currency inside the country, so bitcoin won't be a legal currency in any country yet, the only currency the government will declare a totally legal currency is a centralized digital currency which they can track.


Title: Re: A free land for bitcoin
Post by: Sadlife on December 10, 2020, 11:54:32 PM
Try middle east or other third world countries because mostly they don't have any regulations about Cryptocurrencies and openly accepts it. Their centralized authorities either doesn't have any knowledge or doesn't give a damn about it.
But mostly, countries that legalized crypto has always rules, thankfully our country isn't to tight with Crypto, although it lacks services to make purchases in Bitcoin.


Title: Re: A free land for bitcoin
Post by: Wisbrown on December 11, 2020, 12:02:05 AM
The free land for Bitcoin which actually will increase the quantity of Bitcoin but can it still make Bitcoin decentralized digital currency.


Title: Re: A free land for bitcoin
Post by: gewene2145 on December 11, 2020, 12:43:07 AM
We don't need such fighting for bitcoin. You look at bitcoin and you see a digital acceptance on it. We didn't do any fight for it when Facebook started allowing bitcoin related adds back again, we didn't fight for PayPal adoption but just work up to hear it and the latest is Visa on bitcoin. More will come and bitcoin will keep breaking through by itself.


Title: Re: A free land for bitcoin
Post by: AndreeaIonescu on December 11, 2020, 06:37:10 AM
Is there any chance that we can find a place like Africa or island in pacific ocean to make bitcoin a totally legal currency?no shit from government.
Maybe


Title: Re: A free land for bitcoin
Post by: Josefjix on December 11, 2020, 06:41:47 AM
Africa isn't a country it is a continent with different countries, different norms, different religions, different government, different people and beliefs. So imposing Bitcoin as one legal currency in Africa as whole wouldn't be possible without seeking regulations from African Union (AU) and its subsidiaries like (ECOWAS) and several others. The government will still stand against the legalisation because most of the crooks in government don't have the technical know-how to loot through Bitcoin.


Title: Re: A free land for bitcoin
Post by: Tingtong on December 11, 2020, 03:22:38 PM
Bitcoin is online currency so every place it free. You can buy and sell from any country in world.
Many country don't accept bitcoin but if you want to use it you can use. They can not finded you cause you can use vpn.


Title: Re: A free land for bitcoin
Post by: Silberman on December 13, 2020, 04:56:47 PM
Why do we need that, if we can already use bitcoin for many merchants? Yes, some people have to use payment processors and others have to sell their bitcoins for Fiat to survive on Bitcoin alone.... but we find innovative ways to bypass government restrictions.  ;)

A lot of people have tried to create small sovereign Bitcoin countries and islands and it all failed, because land is precious and governments needs power over citizens to receive taxes for their own salaries.... so they will never allow that.  >:(

I know Japan are the leader in the world, when it comes to allowing people to use Bitcoin as a payment option/currency... so they are slowly coming around to allowing Bitcoin as a currency.  ::)
Exactly, governments are never going to allow this and even if a way was found to do this you can be sure they are going to think that as a threat that they need to destroy and whoever lives there is going to become a target, so it is better to follow the greatest strength of bitcoin and simply use bitcoin whenever we want and encourage business to adopt it and make sure that slowly but surely the adoption keeps growing, it is slow but it is the safest path for bitcoin to succeed.


Title: Re: A free land for bitcoin
Post by: bearexin on December 15, 2020, 09:49:21 AM
Is there any chance that we can find a place like Africa or island in pacific ocean to make bitcoin a totally legal currency?no shit from government.
Lol which island do you want to fly to, and when you get to that island, let’s imagine that it is a very big lost island that is situated in a secret location, maybe at the ocean, where are you going to get the internet to make use of Bitcoin? Anywhere you run to you’re not going to be out of the sight of the government, they are always going to locate.

And imagine that you go there and the next thing law enforcement agencies are there to fish y’all out lol. The thing is, just make use of Bitcoin, you have that freedom, nobody is stopping you as long as it’s not declared illegal in your country.


Title: Re: A free land for bitcoin
Post by: irixo10 on December 15, 2020, 10:05:38 AM
Is there any chance that we can find a place like Africa or island in pacific ocean to make bitcoin a totally legal currency?no shit from government.

Be it Africa or anywhere, it still belongs to a government, and since it belongs to a government, it means they can still dictate the terms and conditions on which they will probably recognise or adopt any cryptocurrencies; this is just how the government works in order to ensure they are in charge of their nations. However, I believe it is quite possible for many countries to adopt Bitcoin but it will not come easy most especially the aspect that Bitcoin is totally out of the control of anyone, Nevertheless as time goes on and many platforms keeps adopting it, the government will come to terms to look for a way to accept it.


Title: Re: A free land for bitcoin
Post by: Nhor1011 on December 15, 2020, 12:59:01 PM
Is there any chance that we can find a place like Africa or island in pacific ocean to make bitcoin a totally legal currency?no shit from government.

I think it will become possible if one country could accept bitcoin and make it legal. It means government will accept and adopt bitcoin too because every country has it's own government. It's difficult because government doesn't want a decentralized currency but I still hoping that it will happen in the future.


Title: Re: A free land for bitcoin
Post by: heztida3 on December 22, 2020, 05:03:41 PM
It will be troublesome, to be completely forthright, we can't do this on a nation or country scale. This thought as I would see it is a trial economy. Like how they are making Special Economic Zone where they practice these sorts of thoughts like Universal Basic Income. It should pass in the test stage to see its reasonability yet at the present time, I think the odds are as yet practically nothing.


Title: Re: A free land for bitcoin
Post by: HardFacts on December 22, 2020, 06:29:51 PM
Is there any chance that we can find a place like Africa or island in pacific ocean to make bitcoin a totally legal currency?no shit from government.

That is an AWESOME IDEA   :)