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I just read an article regarding the first transwoman joining the women football league in Argentina. even though I have nothing against trans people I have to say that isn't it unfair for a woman to fight against a former man especially on a physical sport? I have seen, hear and read the different stories of a trans athlete woman beating all the previous records achieved by a woman in woman category in sports. a transgender woman even became a woman of the year. is it a bigoted Idea to think that it is unfair allowing a trans woman to compete on women category of a sport?

https://www.sportbible.com/football/pub-talk-trans-woman-becomes-first-approved-for-womens-football-in-argentina-20201128

No, I don't think so.
We would expect trans women to dominate women's sports if they are allowed to participate.
If the trans are proven to carry men's physical traits, they should compete in men's league, or better, create their own trans league.

Trans woman are not woman. They are man.

Reminds me exactly of the Fallon Fox who was a trans woman who beat the living fuck out of actual woman in the UFC. He had male anatomy and physiology and was using it unfairly to win in mixed martial arts...out of all sports to not have men and woman in the same league.

This is insane. Why is this being allowed? Everybody knows that men and woman are biological different. Mixing the two genders is not fair for the real woman. Why not just make a league for trans woman? Imagine Ronaldo says one day he is a woman and starts playing fit a female soccer team. It's crazy

I've said this to someone before on a social media years ago and surprising enough I was called a homophobic, transphobic a fascist someone even called me a nazi. Not that it affected me or anything but it just make me wonder how can people ignore the obvious advantage of a trans woman against a woman and criticize those who mentions and question it.

Damn, If I remember correctly Fallon fox ended up breaking her opponents skull right?

How about the economic side of it? How many people are going to watch women's sports transmuted into a glorious celebration of the dominance of men turned women?

Zero...

Agreed, Whatever they are telling about equality or whatsoever. A man's body power is still for a man even though his/her genitals is already change unless he/she drinks a hormone pills and completely change his/her hormone fully for woman then that might be fair.

I'm not against LGBTQXYZ rights and what they are fighting for. But I believe there claims about there rights as an LGBT is sometimes too much. No offense to all rainbow army out there.

No, it wouldn't be fair if, as you suggest .. "unless he/she drinks a hormone pills and completely change his/her hormone fully for woman then that might be fair. "

It could never be "fair."

Trans is a ridiculously low percentage of humans, really zero there anyone should be concerned about BUT when 0.01% ruin a sport that's meant to be for 50%, you have the rights one very small group against the rights of a very large group.

It's an incredibly stupid issue to even be discussed.

Physically a trans woman is a man untill they go through sex change surgery and after the surgery they are a woman with the same abilities of a woman except the ability of giving birth. They won't even have the power of a man as they also go through harmonal change. So I think it is fair for them to be accepted as a woman and they should be encouraged.

The footbal committee of Argentina would have done a proper physical checkup of this trans woman and then only they would have allowed her to join the league.

are you sure? I'm not an expert but I've seen trans athlete woman and compare to a woman a trans athlete woman has more define body build than a woman and they tend to dominate the field of the sport they are in.
like I said I am not an expert. I just say I see.

also

I think some people are obsessed with equality to think that men and women are exactly the same and forget that equality isn't about talent, physique, intelligence, and traits unique to an individual or a group. In this case, with the same profession and class, let's say a professional major league footballer, men will beat women 100%. It's coded in the gene via millions of years of evolution, and hormonal therapy won't completely change this nature.

I'm skeptical about this statement.

An ordinary man could do this physical checkup and would be eligible to join the league because he is not an athlete. He might not be the best there in the women's club, but he will surely be fired on the first-day training in the men's club.

It's more like a naturalization debate (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_eligibility_rules).

even after a sex change operation (it only replaces genitals) the other muscles in arms and legs are still masculine.

so yes even a fully converted trans woman still has the male attributes that give them an advantage in sports.
just look at caitlyn jenner.. without the makeup, without the hair waxing sessions and without the false nails. you will see the male arms and hands.
and thats with years of hormone therapy.

so yes there will be a performance imbalance with a trans women playing alongside a birthed woman

but thats one of the downsides of calling for equality and gender neutralisation.. if you want equality, expect to play amongst the diversity you wish to mix with

its like any sport. blacks out perform whites. but segregation ended decades ago. so whites and blacks just got on with it and played together.

moving on

These transgenders are ruining the sports of women and no one can deny that these people have more strength than ordinary women. I can't believe I'm living in this kind of world where these kinds of nonsense exist. I think the problem is to those sports associations where they let this kind of thing happened and the sport will be more played by transgenders in the future.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJe82yniZQo&ab_channel=RT

Just watch this video every women's sport is ruined now.

Bet if you tried to restrict them to mens' sports they'd bitch.

And bitch they would. I guess those that approved for such participation are professionals and have their bases but, the fact that the makings of man's body was already in place, one signal genital doesn't alter the whole thing.

I know people would argue that some women are more muscular than men but in those cases are often due to genetic mutation or steroid enhanced muscle development. Science will always tell you, a man has 40+ percent of the body as muscles while a woman has just about 20-28 percent. This explains for the soft body nature of a woman and in sports, it'd often about the muscles.
Allowing transgender participation is just an introduction of bias and that isn't good for the spirit of a good sportsmanship.

Yes. Although there will always be exceptions; some women runners have very little body fat. I have know a couple that were very strong. But those exceptions should be the winners and rightfully so.

^^^ On the other hand...

Have you seen the "Mulan" movie that came out earlier this year? It is based in Chinese tradition from around the year 400. There are actual Chinese records.

The story is about a Chinese woman who wanted to be a soldier warrior. So, she hid her identity, and joined the military - which was only made up of men at the time.

The ancient Chinese poem upon which the story is based, says that after 10 years, when it was revealed that the soldier was really a woman, the men-soldiers claimed that they had no idea. But if all the average soldiers kept it to themselves - away from their commanders - all that 10 years, the only soldiering the woman would have to do is fighting off the men when it became too much for her. :D

So, what really goes on in sports?

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This is a crazy idea why would FIFA allow a transgender man to join the female football category because his strength is still muscular by nature I don't know what law allows this but it's wrong.

Because somehow it wouldn't be political correct if they had to play on the man's team. Honestly I don't understand it either. This is unfair and shouldn't be allowed. Why not just make a separate trans league?

Because no one would join it and it would make no money. How much of the population is trans? 0.6% according to google in the U.S. 0.6% of the population who suffer from mental illness, 40% of which will have attempted suicide in the lives, and you expect them to make a sports league for them? Not possible. And who would bother watching? Do we have a viewer base that desperately wanna see woman with their balls hanging out kick a ball around?

Lol disgusting imagine Ibramovic or Balotteli  going through a transgender process to play in a women league? Do you think any woman can ever mark or tackle him? That's an huge advantage to the favorite club. Transgenders shouldn't play football maybe act porn or something useful.

in football(soccer) some people are still crying about letting black people be in the english league. purely based on the physiology that black people are fitter and stronger than white and it is seen by some as sacrilegious and against all englishness to let black people be the winners of a white race countries team

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sorry but racial/gender bias has to move on.
there is no longer any racial segregation of teams. and sooner or later there wont be gender segregation.
in the future there wont even be a male/female league. there will just be a league

most male league teams i see have for dacades had players with long hair crying how they injured their toe or scraped a knee.. for decades we have seen male teams 'cry like little girls' at the most minor thing
we have seen them be drama queens and get into slap fights..
so fifa. already allow 'girlish behaviour/tactics' in the male leagues

so once FIFA wake up. there will just be one league with both women and men on the same team.

so stop trying to regress back to segregation and instead progress into inclusion

It's a life and living thing. People do lots of things in life that don't work out. Many, many college kids get out of school, find out their chosen training doesn't have any jobs left for them to hire onto, and spend years paying off loans while working on a job that they don't like.

So, it's a choice each person has to make. Either accept what FIFA is doing, or work in the politics of FIFA to get it changed, or quit and maybe start your own organization that doesn't have the stuff in it you don't like.

It's life. It exists like this on almost every level, at least a little. Almost never can a person find something in life that is perfectly aligned to the way that he is and thinks.

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In their minds they're not men so of course they'd bitch. I'm just waiting for one of them to have a family member harassed by another trans. For instance, a pedophile can say he's a little girl and join a cheerleading team. To be honest, I'd find it entertaining if I could just say that I feel like a woman and go to sauna and gym locker room with girls. I bet that trans woman wouldn't be too happy if a bunch of guys were sitting in her locker room pretending to be girls.

Its unfair to play woman soccer. i mean that trans woman still has mans strenght and DNA overall. Obvioslly we need trans woman/man soccer  :D

It is unfair, and literally destroying the sports.

The only thing that makes trans the opposite of their previous sex is their sex organs which is not the reasons for the separation of men's and woman's sports. They are separated because of the biological difference in strength,agility,etc.

If this continues, the no. of viewers in woman's league will eventually fall lower than what they are right now. But I do think it will cause opposite effect if the woman-trans enter a male competition. That is a sight to be seen as we can see how they will get wrecked in contact sports. hehe

It's hard for me to view this sort of behavior as anything other than mental illness.  While I'll admit I'm not totally onboard with the trans thing by itself, when you add in competition and use it as an excuse to disrupt the level of fairness then I think it is downright wrong.  A lot of politicians have started to dabble in legislation to stop this sort of thing from happening in the future, but with the PC crowd desperate to push their everyone is the same agenda it is likely to be an uphill battle that will take some time...

But somehow, it is good that people can see the unfairness right now, so that they may realize that what they do believed is absurd.

Very very absurd. I don't know how we force ourselves to see something good in the imbalance of some situations. There is no how a wrong would make a right no matter how we try to justify it. The fact that your a man, no matter the surgery been done either on your body, brain or what ever, you'll always be a man. Having a trans gender future in a female competition is bringing in bias to the competition. Its more like bringing in a hybrid into a competition of pure breeds, the hybrid is always going to exhibit some form of superiority to the pure breeds.

Should this trans gender thing be allowed to continue, we would end up eradicating the female competition when the trans gender performs more better. We would end up having more and more trans genders in a team than usual.

Or in future we may see men, women and trans are competing against each other?, Is there any sport in that kind apart from tennis now?

Politics and corruption is destroying the sports even olympics is no an exception to this.

we would, especially in this time of political correctness where people in power want to please anyone that look for it. I have nothing against transgender but it would be better if they have their own category or compete in the category where they originally were

as far as I know, besides tennis, there are several sports where men and women can compete together.

I do not know much about transgender people, in fact, I mean, will the transgender man turn into a woman completely into a woman with full feminine characteristics or will retain many of the traits of masculinity, because the answer to this question determines whether this is fair to women in the other team or not, if the transgender has a lot The qualities of manhood, it is certain that this is not fair to the women of the other team because they will face a man in reality, but if the transformation is complete, I do not see any problem with this.

Chess, and other non-contact sports. But not necessarily there will be no unfairness in sight. You may still see the unfairness but it is good cause like what I've commented before that it is a sight to see a transman competing with male in different kind of sports.

Trans woman doesn't fit both in the men's team and the women team. If they play in women team , they will have more power than the women who are actually playing and it will be disadvantage for the other team. If they play in men's team, then they will not feel comfortable among men depending upon the sports.
We cant have separate tournaments for transgender because they are few in number and not all of them are in the sports.

Hey now, flops are why football is entertaining.

But no, men and women will never play on the same team. There are completely anatomically different, it would not be fair to have women play in the same league. Look at mixed martial arts, you know why they do not have men and women fight each other? Because men have a higher testosterone level relative to women. Muscle mass differences, height differences, bone density.

See transgender woman MMA fighter, she (he?) beat the living hell out of her female opponents - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallon_Fox

There should be a separate division for these people. Just because they feel like women don't make them women. That's some bad luck I feel sorry for them for not getting the gender they wanted but it happened anyway.

If trans people play in the same league as women, then natural women will lose their positions to those trans people.

I recently watched a south park clip describing this situation we are in:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URz-RYEOaig

Hilarious.

     Man, seeing things like this really just makes you question what the hell is happening to the world today. I mean seriously! That is a man's body for crying out loud! Lol. No matrer how feminine you act or dress, it won't change your physiology! I really think that it's time I list myself on spacex to go to mars. Idc if I'd be a utility person there. Haha. Just imagine, last time I even saw a post about something like a new gender or an addition to the initials LGBTQ which is ST maybe? That translates to super staight. What a joke. -no offense to any LGBTQs and STs out there.  Lol

This is a new world where people love to change their gender and go oppose to the nature.  :-\
Anyone know any transgender who is happy after changing its gender  ??? God have created you the best and its better if you stick to your gender.
Sorry but transgender creates complication for the society and for the sports too.

humans have been opposing nature for a long time so something like this is not new.

I have a transgender friend with who I used to work closely (we were on the same team on the company I used to work for) and had a transgender classmate before and if you look at them you can see that they are happy with the choice they made. they haven't had the surgery(I mean medically removing their penis and replacing it with a vagina) but both of them do drink some kind of pills that affect their hormones(I think).


that's what I thought there should be a  separate division but I am pretty sure a lot of people in LGBTQ would say that doing that would be homophobic or sexist.

yeah, there is a post above regarding an MMA transgender woman that fights in the women category who cracked his opponent skull in a fight.

Hopefully, now the majority of the women can see that the SJW movement and the feminists are doing more harm to the women than helping them and take action against them. If this shit keeps going they will lose their jobs to the trans people which are not really women even though they think they are.

  This sounds funny to me in all honesty I mean I’m still trying to figure it out how and why but before I talk about it I think we all need to comprehend the fact that not being a trans gender doesn’t make you lose your old identity like for real it doesn’t well I don’t intend going deep into condemning or criticizing anyone , but in my opinion it is insane it is unimaginable that people do this things and still get accolades from it. Indeed the world has gone nuts, it still amazes me.

It's difficult to see a perfect answer to this sort of situation. Perhaps there isn't one.

An interesting parallel I suppose is the paralympics, where each event has a large number of different classification groups depending on degree and type of impairment. But even then, you'd expect that because each group by necessity covers a range, then people classed in the same group will still have differing levels of impairment... which in elite sports where fine margins can mean the difference between winning and finishing last, can make a huge difference.

This is a debate because physically and energetically, transgender women are much more powerful...
In my country, I have seen how trans women have much more energy than women in general because their body is basically male. I also don't really criticize and think badly about them, it's just a little unfair IMO.

These women are the most powerful women that's really good for sport entertainment, society sees them as bastard and that's makes them antisocial while they looses their potential in creating something good for the society, most of the women world cup competition are mostly played by them. I'm not s scientific person but I'm sure these women have some homones in them that makes them more energetic, powerful and brilliant.

Of course they have Testosterones in their body. That's what make them have the advantage. They have traits of a male present in them while competing in a female competition. I am not against equality with regards to availability of occuapations, but this is a sports event, a match up female to female and male to male.

Man. Woman. Trans-man. Trans-woman.

All they need to do is set up programs for each of the above genders, rather then tumbling any one of them into another one of them.

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This is quite irrational cos I can just imagine a male with an heavy balls under his pants claim to be  trans in the name of being an homosexual. Don't they think that his muscular nature is still intack irrespective of whether he's trans gender or not.

That's true, but leave alone the trans-man. Let her/him compete with male football, basketball, soccer or any physical sports. Don't end it without giving us something to have fun with.

Most women athletes don't even look like a woman. Their tits are not visible, they have muscular body like men and I didn't do any close inspection but I bet they grow a lot of body hair too because of the *legal* steroids they take.

Men take steroids to become more manly and women take steroids to become manly.  ;D

Isn't steroids illegal for athletes competing in leagues. I think that there is some kind of rule that disqualifies athletes who are proven to use some steroids. Though if it is prescribed by a doctor, I think it can be waved.

Yes, it is illegal but there have been cases where athletes have been disqualified because of it. and as far as I know, there have been Olympic athletes were stripped of their medals after being found out using steroids or other enhancing drugs that are prohibited in the Olympics.

Anybody can start a league where it is illegal to NOT use steroids. Compare steroids to steroids, and see which competitor dies first.

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