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I'm just giving the community a heads-up because I've been scammed 66.3mbtc from Adkinsbet.

Scammers Profile Link:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2882335

Reference Link:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5290408.0

Amount Scammed: 66.3mbtc/1000 euros
Payment Method: Bitcoins

The story from the beginning:

Have recently opened account with Adkinsbet.

I was not going to open account with them as they weren't accepting customers from my country. But their representative sent me a personal message at bitcointalk that i could register with them.

Proof of personal message:

https://imgur.com/a/ZjO0ajJ

I am pointing this so that no ''paid dogs'' can connect me with any other member, duplicate accounts etc. I only registered AFTER THEY INVITED ME.

**For definition of ''Paid dogs'', please read PS 1 at the end of post.

Have used Adkinsbet for a total of 12 bets. Normal bets with stakes from 3 mbtc to 10mbtc.

Since there were some bad reviews for them at bitcointalk, i decided to keep my balance with them minimal.

First and second withdrawal processed fine, 25mbtc and 40 mbtc each one.

My third withdrawal of 40 mtbc was not processed since 01 Dec.

Proof: https://imgur.com/a/4ypHq2o

At first i didn’t mind for the delay, later i decided to send them an email.

Their customer support responded by mail that THERE WAS NO PROBLEM WITH MY ACCOUNT, there were no arbitrage bets etc.

Proof: https://imgur.com/a/Q78L93b

Another day passed and i sent them a kind reminder again.

I was now kindly requested from customer support to fill my personal data.  
Said ok, no problem and i filled them.

Their support once again confirmed that i was going to be paid in next few hours.
They even proposed to send me a confirmation email when the withdrawal will be executed.

Proof: https://imgur.com/a/Q78L93b

Till now everything was normal and i wasn't worried at all.

Later they asked me to send them my ID (front and back) and an utility bill as out of nowhere they now see some irregularities (!).

Said ok once again and i sent them my ID and utility bill.

Their response was to cancel my withdrawal till the KYC was completed. It is already 3 days and KYC have not completed yet.

At that point my patience is getting less and less.

Later their told me some joke answers, that my account was clean at first, but they later discover that some professional/arbitrage bettors placed bets on same events but ON
DIFFERRENT markets etc. Obviously, this is stalling technique from their side.

Proof: https://imgur.com/a/ifvrvOm

At this point i told them that i was going to open a scam accusation thread. All of a sudden, they admit once again that all my bets were ok.

Proof: https://imgur.com/a/pygZ7yB

At first i though everything was ok and that i have happy ending. However, once again they kept ignoring my messages, their representative in forum wasn't able to help as well.

I told them once again that 10 days had passed and that my withdrawal was pending for no reason. I told them once again that i will open a scam accusation topic if not get paid in next 24h.

Their response was to LOCK MY ACCOUNT!
Adkinsbet closed my account due to my behavior in forum!

Proof: https://imgur.com/a/lGvNdMl

Can you believe it? Adkinsbet closed my account due to my behavior in forum!

Obviously, they are inventing reasons all the time to confiscate my legitimate winnings. First they said about irregularities, later about behaviour in forum, god knows what else they would invent in next step!

Btw i did nothing wrong in anyway.

Despite the many complaints from user for delayed/non-payments, i even stupidly posted twice that i managed to withdraw twice from them!

Proof 1: https://imgur.com/a/mprfAZK
Proof 2: https://imgur.com/a/u4FitaJ
Proof 3: https://imgur.com/a/CCzCdJD

I repeat, Adkinsbet closed my account and confiscated my winnings due to behaviour at forum!

To summarize, my withdrawal of 66.34mbtc is pending since 01 Dec with joke explanations.

They now don't even respond to my messages.

Adkinsbet, either pay me legitimate winnings or you deserve to be marked as a scammer!

Surprisingly, Adkinsbet is open to mediator(s).

Proof: https://imgur.com/a/0avbjXP

I am waiting for them to explain in public the reason of the confiscation of my balance with the most ridiculous explanation ever! Also, since they claim they are open to mediators, I am also asking them if they accept SBR forum as a mediator!

If you think your actions are legal and according to industry standards, I am challenging you to accept a mediator! DO YOU?

PS 1. Definition of PAID DOGS: Paid dogs is called an active a group of members in this forum that are paid from Adkinsbet to defend them. They repeatedly post bullshit comments for anyone that post a complaint with Adkinsbet in their relevant topic. You can check topic yourself! The paid dog list is not small. When someone post a complaint, those dogs post comments like ''you have 10 accounts, the guy who had problem is your alt account that's why you defend him, your are cheater and got caught, you are responsible for Adkins DDOS Attack etc etc''.

At the same time, those dogs keep spamming Adkinsbet topic with daily post like ''what a good bet is Barcelona to win, what a nice update, what a nice site you are, much like this site'' blah blah blah. Basically paid dogs posts only  to get attention to Adkinsbet topic. That's why Adkinsbet topic got so much attention in only few days. You will not see something similar even with most prestigious bookies here like betcoig.ag, fortunejack, sportsbet.io etc. They are paid dogs who simply try to defend Adkins by any means and attract attention to their topic. They maybe even sold their accounts to Adkinsbet, who knows.  
When someone posts a complaint about adkinsbet, some of those dogs comes to defend adkinsbet and they call you a scammer, a liar, an alt account, they try to connect you with other members so that you loose reputation etc etc.

Nice strategy from Adkinsbet, can work for newbies.

List of paid dogs includes but not limited to:  yayayo, deadthings, qory, condegnone, coin.princess, gadado, safari88, RokokGudangGaram, Cacingkemi, BTCGOLD, BitcoinAccepted, cutesgirl, aomakun, sempak, MI6, ongkok87,  BlackFor3st, imutlinda, pungopete468, mardaed, nasipadang, ufaiz50, cryptomaniac_xxx, aomakun, zidanw, qory, john_nautica, wildan88, msarro.

PS 2. Do you need more proof that all those members are paid dogs?? Adkinsbet didn't even denied that they have PAID DOGS in bitcointalk when i told them twice about it.
Proof A: https://imgur.com/a/E8MJUOf
Proof B: https://imgur.com/a/ThLCaDT

PS 3. The dogs can start barking. I am prepare.

Your account is new so for betting large amounts of money at once like 3mBTC and 10mBTC, and withdrawing 40mBTC, which is worth almost $800, I wouldn't be surprised if they required KYC to withdraw that much the first time.

Looks like Adkinsbet takes a long time to process KYC documents. I wonder if that's the speed they process everyone else's KYC as well and I will not attempt to guess how long they take.

Hopefully Adkinsbet replies on this thread with their clarification of the situation.

(Before you point fingers at me, I'm not paid by Adkinsbet.)

What I can see is that you deposited money, and they just paid you out a few times. I can also see on the forum that you talk extremely disrespectfully about accounts in the forum.
You accuse Adkinsbet of paying "their dogs" to post messages. Those are very serious allegations, and if this is the basis for closing your account, isn't that understandable?
I have to be careful with what I write before I get on that list in a minute. I think if you had been a bit more respectful in their topic, they wouldn't have closed your account.
I don't see the logic in your story at all. You have been paid and your account has been blocked afterwards. If a company wants to scam you, your account will first be blocked and you will not be paid at all.
By the way, this is clearly stated in the terms and conditions:

https://i.imgur.com/Id2QcIm.jpg


Here it is really clear that your account can be closed if you endanger the integrity of the site.
In summary, they paid you your winnings every time, until the moment you decide to misbehave on the forum. You accuse Adkinsbet that they have paid dogs to post in the topic.
Where is your proof?

Spyros should become a detective. Then there would still be many criminals in the world  ;D


You accuse Adkinsbet by Email of having paid dogs on the forum, and if they don't respond, then it means according to you automatically that they agree with your accusations? LOL

I am not at all surprised that he posted this. He had been threatening this for a few days. I think it is no longer a secret for people that this user cannot behave in the forum.
The next post says it all; also seems pretty disrespectful to talk about someone else's mother like this.


Always nice to see when people on the forum are posting in the topic, and then somebody tells you that you would sell your own mother for 2 Eur.
Why would it not surprise me that Adkinsbet closed your account because of your talk?
And remember that you decided to slender them before your account was closed.
By the way based on your posting history you seem to have problems with more bookmakers. What a coincidence.

First of all I think you could have solved this immediately with the site, it looks like you have been threatening to post an accusation on the forum all the time, do you think they will help you sooner, I would also be careful with your story about paid dogs, you can seriously damage accounts this way, they are allowed to post positive things, maybe you should check out topics from other bookies, everyone talks like that, so what you actually do is that you accuse all the bookies on the forum of talking about other things and that shouldn't be. By the way, you have also been spamming their topic with your accusations, you should do that here in a topic and not in the announcement, annoying for you to say but it is in their terms and conditions that your account can be closed if you lose the reputation gets ruined, this forum is read by a lot of people worldwide and it looks like you don't care about your own, i also think the words about selling your mother for 2 eur would not help you either

haha he is now working here again he never stops, it surprises me that I am not on the list yet but I will probably also be on the list with paid dogs then I hope that I get well paid then I have to Also no more bets to place so tell me how much I get paid I think this message from him is wrong there have been people who have cheated adkinsbet and they have even been paid I was also paid by adkinsbet that went quite quickly and I have heard at least 10-15 people who received their withdrawal on the forum and this user spyros him self said he received his withdrawals and this is the first accusation from someone who has no respect for the forum i really can not believe how he is talking about bookmakers and people are talking about football i thought there was the forum for good night

OP, actually you have got scammed 6.63 mBTC or 66.3 mBTC?

You should be paid. They're obviously stalling for whatever reason. Your behavior on the forum should have no bearing on whether you are paid or not.

his tittle says 66.3mBTC and his first line of post says 6.63 mBTC. but when you see his screenshot of widhraw you'll notice it is 66.3 mBTC.

here:

by all these points and proofs it seems they obviously stalling him. lets see if Adkinsbet have any answer on that.

Edit: @OP please use this format for your thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=260073.msg2774678#msg2774678 or at least post their Bitcointalk links in top.

Should i remind you that you already admitted me by private message that you approached from Adkinsbet to defend them as well on topics? It seems you forgot it haha.

Proof: https://imgur.com/a/TrhB0y6

P.S: It is nice to see that some mentioned ''paid dogs'' like gagado, ronaldo40 and nasipandang  already discovered this topic :)

When Adkinsbet confiscate winnings of another guy, i posted in Adkinsbet topic the same post as yours.

All of a sudden, around 10 paid dogs came to defend them and they called me a liar, an alt acc, they said i am responsible for their DOS Attack etc etc. This explains a lot about how they work.

KYC wasn't an issue mate.

Have sent them all documents requested, ID, selfie ID, utility.

According to industry standards they can ask for a KYC and i am familiar with that.

The problem is with their stalling techniques.

One day your bets are ok, the next day your bets have irregularities, another day your account is ok but they don't pay you, another day they didin't like your forum posts lol

I had no problem with any other bitcoin bookmaker.

Betcoing.ad, stake, fortunejack, sportsbet, betnomi, all paid fine except ADKINSBET that you keep defending them on a daily basis. What a coincidence.

Haven't slender them before they closed my account.

What i told them was to get rid of paid dogs like you cause you are harming them in the long ran. I still believe the same and would post it again and again.

If they don't allowed critics,  they should not open a topic in public.

They paid you already a few times. That they did not pay you the last time, is the consequence of your own attitude.
I am pretty sure if you have communicated on a normal way with them, you would already have received your winnings. You choose instead to threat them.
I'm afraid you're really twisting some facts here.
I can write a whole story about this, but I will limit myself to the relevant matters. If you say that you are not lying, it probably means that you are not capable of thinking clearly yourself. I didn't expect that from someone who says that forum posters would sell their mother for 2 eur.

About that PM I wrote to you, you probably misinterpreted that. I meant by my sentence that I was not approached by Adkinsbet to post, but by other bookmakers.
By the way, I am not going to mention names here.

66 mBTC is not even worth scamming somebody. They gave away last week free 40 mBTC and today again.
Do you really think they are interested in scamming you for only 66 mBTC?



Some of your quotes:




You do that from the start. You keep saying that there are using paid dogs defending Adkinsbet.
You don't seem to understand that this is a serious accusation. We're not here at the zoo.
Do you actually realize what negative view people will get when they read things like this?



As you can see, Adkinsbet just pays everyone.
Even the scammers got paid.



There is no need to comment on this quote





And here you don't understand the difference between criticism and accusation.
Giving criticism is always good, but criticism must be substantiated with arguments.
What you do is accuse Adkinsbet. That is not a criticism.





All issues were professionally resolved by Adkinsbet, they even chose to pay the cheaters.



They have already paid you a few times without any problems. But with your behavior and allegations on the forum, they have closed your account. What's weird about that?
it is not only about the behavior, the problem is your accusations.
Also funny that you write to them in every email that you want to be paid the next day, because otherwise you start an accusation topic.
Is that your way of solving situations with people?





First you try to lecture people that they should post in the accusations section, and not in the ann topic. Then you start spamming the ann topic that it is scam. Where's the logic?








Adkinsbet is a popluar site so far for people, many customers are happy and all get paid. I am sure this is not the whole list.


TIMOM

1mbtc

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5290408.msg55621245#msg55621245

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coin.princess

Not indicated (probably 1mbtc)

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5290408.msg55621300#msg55621300

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Pffrt

Did not indicate

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5290408.msg55632422#msg55632422

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pungopete468

5mbtc

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5290408.msg55630583#msg55630583

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gerid

22mbtc and 60mbtc

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5290408.msg55632436#msg55632436

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Stedsm

Did not indicate

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5290408.msg55649336#msg55649336

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ronaldo40

283mbtc

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5290408.msg55685813#msg55685813

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spyrosc200

1000 euros in total

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5290408.msg55716733#msg55716733

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lebregone

26mbtc

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5290408.msg55690114#msg55690114

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safari88

$400

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5290408.msg55717191#msg55717191

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lavander

Did not indicate

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5290408.msg55728735#msg55728735

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vanitywallets2015

$200

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5290408.msg55736364#msg55736364

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betingsh

Did not indicate

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5290408.msg55758053#msg55758053

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BkackFor3st

2.22mbtc

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5290408.msg55775956#msg55775956

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mu_enrico (DT2 Member)

Did not indicate

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5290408.msg55779023#msg55779023

Unless it is stated in their TOS that getting upset and posting about it on social media will result in all funds being confiscated and the account will be closed; Op is entitled to their winnings.

I'm going to wait and see if Adkins responds here before going any further, as there could be more to the story.

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A company does have the right to end the service agreement, but that does not entitle them to confiscate the funds. Unless something else is presented I would expect you to be paid and then have your account closed.

Even if they had such TOS, that would sent them to rogue/scam bookmakers as such term is not according to industry standards.

What happened with Adkinsbet is:

1) Some users post complaints that they had their money confiscated due to arbitrage bets.

2) I post my own opinion that according to industry standards Adkinsbet should paid those guys since they accepted the bets and kick/limit them.

All of a sudden, about 10 paid dogs started calling me liar, an alt account, an idiot even accused me as responsible for Adkins Dos Attack.

I responded that those ''paid dogs'' can sell their mother for 2 euros from affiliation.

Meanwhile, Adkinsbet wrote that those arbitrage bets were paid (which is what i said was the correct from the beginning), yet those paid dogs were accusing me as an alt account, deserved to be scammed, a cheater etc etc.

This is the whole story with my so called ''bad behavour''.

Is it enough for justification of my winning? Obviously not. Everyone can understand this except the ''paid dogs''.

I am waiting Adkinsbet answer as well

Seems you are so desperate to protect them them that you haven't even check that user TIMOM got scammed as well

Proof: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5290408.msg55752307#msg55752307

User ''spyrosc200'' is me that got scammed as well.

Some others names you mentioned are on ''paid dogs'' list as well

Stick to the point please: Adkinsbet were inventing reason do confiscate my balance from the beginning. This is obvious to anyone bar paid dogs. That's why they kept my withdrawal pending for 10 days.

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You write that we have to stick to the point, but you are the one who is talking about other things that have nothing to do with this.
by the way, TIMOM is part of a professional gambling cheater group.
I hope Adkinsbet can provide the evidence here. Your reaction only implies that you are connected to that group, since TIMOM was not scammed, he was the one who cheated on Adkinsbet.
He did not provide any proof at all. TIMOM is always slandering bookmakers.
Also funny that all these accounts suddenly do not post anymore the last few days together with you.
What would be the chances of that? Every message makes your behavior more and more ridiculous with your accusations.

Ow really? Why did they then process your withdrawals worth over 1000 eur? Which were received by you.
The problems appear to begin after that process. If they wanted to steal your money, they would never have pay you the 1000 eur before.

I do not know the names of this professional gambling group, but at least we have this post from the archive

https://i.imgur.com/neQpK2y.jpg

I also suggest to Spyros20 not to bump this topic the whole time with irrelevant information like he is doing now, and wait for a reply from Adkinsbet.

Glad that my post got attention from the ''paid dogs''. Now is so obvious to everyone what i am talking about

Will not spend more energy with you, it is clear what you are doing :)

List of paid dogs includes but not limited to:  yayayo, deadthings, qory, condegnone, coin.princess, gadado, safari88, RokokGudangGaram, Cacingkemi, BTCGOLD, BitcoinAccepted, cutesgirl, aomakun, sempak, MI6, ongkok87,  BlackFor3st, imutlinda, pungopete468, mardaed, nasipadang, ufaiz50, cryptomaniac_xxx, aomakun, zidanw, qory, john_nautica, wildan88, msarro.

Waiting rest dogs to suddenly discover this topic  ;D ;D

If people feel they have been disadvantaged by us, they have every right to start a topic here. What we at Adkinsbet don't appreciate are the professional allegations about the so-called "paid dogs".
We are open for every discussion of course, in a respectful way without threats.

There is an active group of professional gamblers who have been able to cheat due to a delay in our api.
We use the same api as 1xbit and 1xbet, but we have no relationship with BETB2B or any of the above companies.
We are still working to fix this cheating possibility at the moment.
We have 100% proof that this group has created duplicate and multiple accounts on the forum purely deliberately with the aim of scamming our site. In the beginning we paid these players.
After that, we closed new accounts and kept the money as we have 100% certainty that these are the same scammers as before.
For privacy reasons, I do not want to disclose these usernames on the forum.

As for the user spyrosc200: We found evidence that this user might be involved in this professional gambler group. However, because we only want to make a judgment after sufficient evidence, we have taken the necessary time to investigate this.
We informed spyrosc200 a few days ago that his bets and account were valid, and we can confirm that he has nothing to do with the group of scammers.

We are a new bookmaker, right now we are behind our decision. We are of course open to solving this, if it turns out that our decision was not the correct one.
We do not tolerate false accusations from users, as this can cause serious image damage.

If experienced users or DT users have a different opinion than our current decisions, then we are certainly open to this and will also pay the user in question (under certain conditions).
I think everyone would agree that the moment you inflict serious image damage on a site, there are consequences.
Spyros is welcome to engage a mediator, and if we prove wrong, we will be happy to pay this 66.3 mBTC

Hm what's professional gambler group? Does that mean OP is one of professional gambler? How long you will investigate the evidence you have found? Since you have said OP has nothing to do with scammer groups.

 Does that mean you've admitted locked OP's 66.3 mBTC?

I'm not OP's side nor adkinsbet, just wanna post my opinion about this. I also agree OP shouldn't calling people by "paid dogs" since those people are expressing their opinion as well. If their words seems trying to defend adkinsbets,it doesn't mean they are working or get paid under adkinsbets.

I don't think Spyros is involved in these fixed bets. He may be rude and cheeky on the forum and shows no respect for other people, but he is certainly not a match fixer.

I am pretty sure that that is also not the problem on the site.

What I see in the site's terms and conditions from Adkinsbet is this:

We may choose to close, suspend or temporarily limit your account if we reasonably believe you are not complying with our terms and conditions, or to maintain the integrity of our service.


You can ask yourself within which frameworks this falls. In fact, the integrity of the service is being violated, but the question is whether that is enough to close an account and confiscate the fund.

Spyros has already received a payout a few times. I also don't think it is very useful to threaten that you want to be paid, because otherwise you will start an accusatin topic.

Adult people first solve this communicatively via the Email, without threats.

I am aware that Spyros also accused me that I am a paid dog. I wonder how many other accounts he will mention as well.

I do not blame him, this user Spyros seems to be a bit paranoid at this point now and probably forgotten to take his medicines.

I'm not a DT and not a paid dog but you have the right to suspend or freeze any account that you found any suspicious activity such as winning consecutively because you need to protect your business. Casino is not a charity that will giveaway money to all user playing on it, of course your is to have profit to sustain your business operating cost.

It's usual to receive some accusation here because there's always an isolated case for this kind of issue. Most important things to consider is to become transparent on answering all questions here and nevet get tired replying on question. I suggest that you should use the bitcointalk notifier bot in telegram so that you will receive notification once someone mention you in there post. It will be easier for you reply on all question here in the forum.

Check it out here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5248878.0

Seems that nobody is paying to how discussion in Adkins topic escalated to ''paid dogs'':

Let's get facts once again:

A user had his funds confiscated due to arbitrage bets.

I expressed my own opinion in the post below:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5290408.msg55668862#msg55668862

You see anything wrong in my response? Ofcourse not. All of a sudden, i received the following responses:

A) user rijaljun accused me that i am abusing the site (!)

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5290408.msg55669521#msg55669521

B) user john_nautica called me criminal and cheater (!)

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5290408.msg55669555#msg55669555

C) user yayayo accused me for match fixing and being an alt account with other members who had their profits confiscated (!)

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5290408.msg55670697#msg55670697

d) user safari88 called me an alt account and a cheater (!)

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5290408.msg55670703#msg55670703

e) user pungopete468 called me a troll and accused me for DOS Attack of adknisbet (!!!)

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5290408.msg55670726#msg55670726

f) user BitcoinAccepted called me a troll and manipulator (!)

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5290408.msg55672016#msg55672016

g) user cutesgirl wrote that i am suspicious for adkins DOS Attack (!!!)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5290408.msg55672055#msg55672055

h) user BlackFor3st wrote that i am an alt account with some other users who is bullshit, he also accused me for Adkins Dos Attack (!!!)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5290408.msg55672873#msg55672873

i) user imutlinda agrees with BlackFor3st that i am responsible for Adkins Dos Attack (!!!)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5290408.msg55672886#msg55672886

As said, i received all this attack due to this post:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5290408.msg55668862#msg55668862

Then user BlackFor3st  posted first about ''mother and Dos Attacks''
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5290408.msg55673102#msg55673102

As a response to all those nonsense accusations i described above, i posted this:

''It is funny how those jokers get paid 1-2 euros to defend adkins bet but in reality they DESTROY adkins reputation.

Keep on trolls, continue posting bullishits to get paid 1-2 euros per post!

Even Adkins paid the disputed arbitrage bets but you are such an idiots that you don't even read Adkins response!

Big clowns who can sell their mother for 2 euros!''

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5290408.msg55673300#msg55673300

Now all of a sudden, noone gives attention on how discussion escalated, noone saw the unjustified accusations against me, they only find it logical to have my winnings confiscated cause i called them ''paid dogs''. Can you believe it??? Noone will ever accept that as it is against any TOS and against industry standarts!!![/b]

What should someone do when he is being repeatedly accused by 20+ members who act as a team with no justifications at all? Give them flowers? Of course not!

Is it really that difficult to behave yourself on this forum? Sometimes I have the feeling I am talking with a child from 8 years old when I see your posts.
You have already started your accusation, it is not allowed to bump it within 24 hours.
But feel free to continue posting, the more incredible you come across after all your statements  ;)

I am not bumping.

I am adding valuable info that anyone who doesn't belong to your team will understand it.

You can continue with the known tactic of changing the direction of the discussion, you do this all day in adkins topic lol.

The more you post the more easy is for anyone to understand what is going on ;)

If you have a problem with an account, you need to fix it with the account in question or the person sitting with it. What you've done now is accuse Adkinsbet of having some profiles talk positively about the site.
You don't have much sense, by the way. As you mentioned earlier, a number of accounts indicated that cheaters should not be paid, while Adkinsbet did pay these cheaters in the beginning. Your logic is wrong (again).
If you accuse someone you have to come up with evidence, not assumptions with your "paid dogs". You are giving the site a bad reputation while referring to TIMOM, a professional scammer who burns down all the sites on the forum. Why are you standing up for a scammer?

You are someone who likes to be out of the rules, I get the idea.

Is it allowed to change subject within a topic? Yes

Is it allowed to troll like you did in the ann topic? No

You told people they have to write an accusation topic when they have a problem.
Then, when you have a problem on the site, you started trolling in their ann topic.

Can you give me an explanation why 20 people acted as a team and accused me for DOS Attacked, called me liar, a scammer, an alt account, simply due to this post?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5290408.msg55668862#msg55668862

What was the need to attacked me as a team?

Why you never said anything about those 20+ people who accused me in purpose for no reasons at all?

Probably because you are very disrespectful to others. If you just write that people are paid dogs, you are a disrespectful bastard. Nobody will speak to you in a decent way anymore.
The reason this is now because there was a group of scammers active on the forum and they attacked Adkinsbet with cheating, it seems logical to me that accounts then take the side of the bookmaker because nobody wants these scammers on the forum. And since you're defending these scammers, you've made yourself a suspect.
if you would have acted normal, I am sure nobody would have attacked you.

You are wrong.

I expressed my own opinion here:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5290408.msg55668862#msg55668862

Then i was attacked from 20 members who as a team attacked me. This is when i called ''paid dogs''!

Who is the cheater at the end when Adkinsbet admitted that my bets were ok, yet 20 people accused me as a cheater?

Of course Adkinsbet later said ''Hey, you called those 20 people ''paid dogs'', we will confiscate your winnings'' lol

Have explained everythings few posts above, read it.

When Adkinsbet's site was attacked by a DDos attack, a group of trolls were active on the forum at the same time. The professional scam artists who robbed Adkinsbet.
And you clearly sided with these scammers here. do you actually understand how serious this situation was with that DDos attack?
The problem is not your way of thinking, but the way how you express it. If you talk with more respect to people, then you achieve much more then just accusing and threatening.

So your are telling me that you see nothing strange for 20+ people who acted as a team to attack me and calling me a liar, a cheater, an alt account, a manipulator, due to the post below?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5290408.msg55668862#msg55668862

I would repeat the same answer again and again.

Even adkinsbet paid that bets, yet you find it logical to being accused from 20 people for that post lol.

There is something very wrong with your thinking and your logic. You also think that you understand a lot of the gambling world, while you actually do not understand much of it in terms of content.
Like this post:



You are trying to be interesting by saying that arbitrage bets are not allowed at 99% of the bookmakers and that it is accepted by the community. and next, you write that if it happens, then the bookmakers have to pay out the winnings. can you explain why bookmakers have to pay an arbitrage bet if it is not allowed? If something is not allowed, then it is not allowed and a bookmaker take sanctions.
if you would have read the topic from adkinsbet more proper then you would have know that your buddy TIMOM is also part of the professional cheaters group.

adkinsbet also replied on this so stop posting your useless information and ask help from DT members here on the forum or SBR adkinsbet told that they are open for a discussion and if it can be proven they take the wrong decision they will pay you. right now you are only crying here on the topic that is not the purpose if posting an accusation

I also don't really understand what his problem is now. Even though Adkinsbet has the right to close their account, they still state that they are willing to resolve it if they are found to have made the wrong decision. So instead of spamming here (you have already posted 10 messages again) you better stop posting and look for a solution like a mediator on the forum, someone who can communicate in a normal way.

You have no idea of betting if you think legit bookies void arbitrage bets.

They don't like arbitrage bets but they pay them.


Even if i was wrong, why 20 people acted as team, called me a liar, a cheater, a manipulator, responsible for Adkins DOS Attack?

Since when Pinnacle or Bet365 void arbitrage bets? Pinnacle accept arbitrage, Bet365 they pay you and they kick you/limit you.End of story.

Unless you speak about 1XBET scammers, all reputable books pay those bets and they kick the users as they don't like them.

People in the forum hate scammers, and cheaters. Many people react very strongly when these kinds of situations arise. It has been proven and clear that there were customers on the site at Adkinsbet who knowingly cheated. You can find circumstantial evidence here in this post.

The whole problem is that you link those accounts directly to Adkinsbet, that it would pay for those accounts. Ever occurred to you that people just hate scammers and aren't welcome on the forum? You should know for yourself that you want to accuse accounts of conspiracy, but you have now accused Adkinsbet of paying dogs while they have nothing to do with it. That's why they made this decision.
You should have be more careful with your words, I think. Instead of behaving in a normal way, you are just continue with accusing here.

If you want to solve this, stay to the point and only post if you have valuable information. You are now only writing your frustrations.
Now this topic is getting bumped every time with a discussion about nothing.

I am not frustrated.

20+ people who acted as a team, attack me and called me a liar, a cheater, an alt account, a manipulator, due to the post below which it doesn't makes any sense.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5290408.msg55668862#msg55668862

Adkins stalling techniques started with:
''your account is ok (but they didn't paid me), followed by your account is monitor as some bettors placed same events but diferrent lines, then they ignored my messages, at the end they invented that calling those 20+ who attacked me ''paid dogs'' is enough reason to confiscate my winnings''.

all  you do now is spamming here. the topic is not meant for that. All your posts have no added value. Find someone with a DT level or another mediator, and then post again if you have news or other information. your point of view and arguments are clear, as are Adkinsbet's. End of story for now. And post again if there is news.

My posts have added value.

Anyone non biased can see it.

Not sure what DT level is. I am aware of mediators.

Confiscating someone's profits for calling ''paid dogs'' a group of 20 that attacked him without valid reason, no mediator will accept that.

Who is DT Level?

He has no respect for forum users. He also no respect for the rules from the forum and just do not care about it at all.
What he is doing is just bumping without any new information.


13. Bumps, "updates" are limited to once per 24 hours per thread.


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0#post_rules (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0#post_rules)

Zero respect to forum users? Where were you when 20+ users attacked me and accused me with joke accusations???

I repeat,

20+ people who acted as a team, attack me and called me a liar, a cheater, an alt account, a manipulator, due to the post below which it doesn't makes any sense.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5290408.msg55668862#msg55668862

Adkinsbet stole my funds cause i called those group as ''paid dogs(!)''

Since some people are biased and don't want to understand, i will continue respond to all of them as it seems valuable for me to not let anything unanswered.

You've said it yourself, the user did not violate your terms or cheat on your site. Obviously you should pay the player their money.

I'm not excusing spyrosc200's behavior, they are abrassive insulting and clearly looking to fight and argue in that manner. Is it justified, to some extent yes, in my opinion. They have been investigated (which there is no problem) they complied, then they were strung along and finally cleared of wrong doing but were still punished through confiscated funds.

This is not the way to make a name for your new business. It looks unprofessional to confiscate winning bets because the "cleared of wrongdoing" user became upset and belligerent after the fact and drew public attention to the fact. I have no problem with you closing their account and not doing business with them in the future; that is reasonable and well within your rights as a business. This should be done after you pay out the balance.

They have not written that the terms and conditions have not been violated.

They write that he has not cheated and has nothing to do with the group of scammers.

In their terms and conditions this is pretty clear:

8.3
We may choose to close, suspend or temporarily limit your account if we reasonably believe you are not complying with our terms and conditions, or to maintain the integrity of our service.

What happened could certainly be covered. I believe that players should also bear their own responsibility and should behave at all times without verbal abuse, accusations and that kind of thing.

This player already blamed the site for anything going on. That's a very different story than blaming them if he didn't get paid, then it would have been understandable.

I think Adkinsbet does not have to pay in this case, as they are in their right, but it is wise to pay so that they show that they solve situations to the customer's satisfaction, even though this customer does not deserve it.

Well said mate, thanks for the support.

Have i called ''paid dogs'' a group of 20+ people who as a team attacked me and called me a cheater, a manipulater, a DOS attacker due to post below?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5290408.msg55668862#msg55668862

Yes i did.

Was i correct though? Yes, as Adkinsbet admitted they paid those bets in question and kicked the user which is what i wrote and got attacked from those 20+ users!

Did any of those 20+ users apologized to me even though i was correct? Noone!

In fact, some of those who attacked me as team, not only they never apologized but they are here once again defending Adkinsbets decision to confiscate my winnings!



Is it fair? Absolutely not!

I have been asked to leave an opinion on this accusation. I would not mention the username unless they feel comfortable. Since I am here let's start with a long due that Adkinsbet have from me.

I completely forgot to say them a thanks for the free balance they sent me on my account a few weeks ago. I have used it and even doubled it before withdrawing them. Everything was plain and smooth however the settlement time for the winning bet was too long which I did not like and perhaps this is the reason I never have them in mind to continue, the site was slow too. Forget about good or bad, thanks Adkinsbet to give me the free bet to try your system.

I really hate involving in such things, the involvement against sportsbet.io is still a bitter experience for me. Anyway, let's talk about the accusation now.

Paid dog, insults, offence, this, that - let's keep them aside and talk only about the bets and groups.
According to Adkinsbet/their customer service:
- There are no problems with the bets.
- There are suspected group/groups who might be doing arbitrage but in different market.
- spyrosc200 has not connection with the group.

Where is the problem then to pay him the money?

Which part is false from spyrosc200?

Which part to prove wrong?

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I am sure that I have not missed any important point and if I really did not miss then why can't I see anything yet which is stopping you (AdkinsBET) to pay spyrosc200?

You really need to pay spyrosc200.

I know Royse777 is a respected member of the forum. His arguments are correct, but why is he taking it so easy about Spyros accusing Adkinsbet of hiring paid dogs to post?
You really can not make accusations like this. With such accusations, there are always consequences.
Adkinsbet already paid Spyros 2 times without any problems. If they want to scam him, they would not have paid him that money as well, don't you think?
That seems to me to be a fairly serious accusation that can lead to major image damage. Surely the terms and conditions state that an account can be closed if the integrity of the service is violated?

Hey bud thanks for pointing out something to me.
If this is what I was missing then I did not miss anything at all. When someone is frustrated, in bad mood, in arguments - these sorts of words cam easily come out.

You guys remember how I reacted against TMAN but later I have deleted those posts and that bad mood does not mean if I had any business with TMAN then I would not pay him or he would not pay me.

I fairly believe this is not much money to make the name bad but if this was denied because of cheating (creating multi account, abusing free offers, bonus, placing bets by taking advantages of any system error, injecting any script etc) then clearly there were no question if they could prove but just because someone used bad words, you will deny paying them from the business is not a valid reason.

Hello!

@LEVSKI7
We asked you several times to enter your personal details in your account and send your identification and proof of address, to complete the KYC.
But you are not providing us any information at all, all you Email to us is: SEND MONEY
We can not solve situations if you refuse to cooperate

@royse777
We are glad you tried our site  :D
We appreciate your honest opinion. If someone says and shouts out of frustration and emotion, it must be justifiable.
If we had closed his account, and he'd voiced things like that afterwards, this would have been understandable.
When he was our customer without any problems, and we had already paid him twice, he decided to accuse Adkinsbet of having paid dogs in the topic. That came out of nowhere.
You really can not make any false accusations like that. In any company worldwide there would be sanctions with this.
There are even countries, where you can go to jail for this or at least being sued in court.
Tomorrow I have a meeting with management about this, they have indicated to me that Adkinsbet is open to a solution.
If several DT users believe that Adkinsbet did not act correctly and made the wrong decision, we will pay this user as well.
At this point, management still supports its decision, as they believe the integrity of the service has been compromised (which is also stated in the terms and conditions).
We also indicated in the previous post that we are open to discussion and a solution is certainly possible, but Spyros200 will have to communicate in a respectful manner.

You are most welcome.

I really would not suggest you not to pay him just because he acted arrogant. That's completely different from his wins from the bets and getting paid.

Maybe the law and the culture I live is different than those countries. Yes, I read celebs sues news agencies to spread fake news against them, big institution goes against another institute or a big names because of some silly talks etc, these are entertaining to read. Maybe they made a name already and defending the name.

But in your case you are still in the progress of making a name, a brand. If you really make this words a big issue and deny to pay then it will really look bad to others in the community. You made a good impression and I would suggest not to damage it.

I hope you guys reconsider and be easy against the accuser. Solve it as you are not losing anything significant at all. It's too late here, I will kiss my bed :-D

Thanks for the support Royse777, appreciated the fact that you read all those pages.



Need to clarify some things:

1) The discussion about ''paid dogs'' started when i post the comment below at 24 November.

Proof: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5290408.msg55668862#msg55668862

Your actions actually proved that what i wrote was correct as at the end you paid the disputed bets.

Meanwhile though, 20+ people who acted as a team, attacked me and called me a liar, a cheater, an alt account, a manipulator, some even claimed that police should come at my door as i am responsible for your DOS Attack(!), all those accusations only due to the post above!

This is when discussion escalated and i called them ''paid dogs''.

What i want to point out is that my reactions weren't out of noware as you claim.



2) As said, the escalated discussion took place at 24th November.

All my succesfull withdrawals were after that day.

I requested a small withdrawal at 24th November, followed by another one at 26 November that was received at 27th November.

Proof: https://imgur.com/a/4ypHq2o
   
So basically i withdrawan succesfully 2 times after the escalated discussion. What i received though was actually my initial deposits plus 31mbtc (30% of my total profit).

The issues started at the 3rd withdrawal requested at 1st December. The 3rd withdrawal was the biggest one, 66.3 profit.

What i want to point out is that delays started at 3rd and biggest withdrawal.

Prior my 3rd and biggest withdrawal, everything was ok even though my previous withdrawals were requested after the day of the escalated discussion about ''paid dogs''.

You should also admit that i was never given a clear answer why there was a delay with my 3rd withdrawal.

At first my account was ok, later there were found some irregularities as some arbitrage bettors placed bets on same evens but on DIFERRENT lines (later you admitted that i had nothing to do with them), later extensive KYC was needed, later my emails were ingnored etc.

Suddenly, at 9th of December, 8 days after my withdrawal request and 15 days after the escalated discusion, the post about ''paid dogs'' is taking a major role in this story. For 8 days, you never mention ''paid dogs'' in our conversation

P.S It is good to hear that today you will re-examine this case with management. Already some experienced users suggested that i should get paid, confident more will follow as the time goes by.

I spoke to management about the situation. The story has two sides. Management stands for its position, and you for yours.
However, they have given me permission to resolve this issue. In principle, we don't have to do that through a PM, we can discuss it here and then handle it through a PM.
Management's requirement is that all negative messages should be removed because they contain allegations that cause unfair image damage to the site.
You had already created a flag, which may not be a good idea to do this right away. This should also be removed. If these negative messages are removed, Adkinsbet will transfer the remaining amount to your wallet.
I think you'd better send that address via a PM.
I think this solution is fair for both parties.

I agree with the proposed solution.

To summarize:
1) I remove red flag
2) I remove negative messages in your topic
3) You pay my 66.3mbtc

My only concern is why i should PM you my btc address.
Shouldn't be easier if you unlock my account and let me withdraw in a normal way?

Very pleased to see that you both agreed in a mutual understanding and things are working out now.

@AdkinsBET, I will suggest adding some clause in your terms and conditions just to make things very clear that if a client verbally abuse or spread abusing words against your brand then the consequence could be freezing their account without any payout or such things. I have never seen such terms but since this whole thread was about this, I think it should have a clause in your terms. It will avoid future incidence like this.

Accept the option they left for you. Give them and address via PM. Solved :-D

I will mate, thanks a lot once again for support.

I am new to bitcoin world and thought that wasn't that secure to give my address, obviously was wrong though.

Maybe it was not, I heard that the forum PM does not have encryption but never verified it so, you always have something in mind that may be admin or anyone with admin access can see your PM.

But sending the address via at least will help you to prove that you indeed sent them a bitcoin address, and they paid the amount to you if any further unhappy moments by any chance raise (I am sure it won't by the way.).

Take care yourself and good job Adkinsbet team.

Following our mutual agreement with Adkinsbet, i have removed all negative posts from Adkinsbet topic.

Have also removed the negative trust from Askinsbet as well.

Red flag will not be shown as this topic will not be accepted from a DT member.

Have sent Adkinsbet my bitcoin address to sent me the 66.3mbtc.

Once received, will update this topic and case should be consider closed.

Glad we could get this resolved. If you want you can lock the topic after you confirm the receipt of payment as you said. This can be done from the bottom left of the screen below the topic posts.

I have to disagree. I suggest they perform some training within their organization regarding customer retention, and situation de-escalation. This could have all been solved by a simple

"Sorry for the inconvenience caused while we investigated your account. This is necessary for us to provide a safe and fun platform for all. We have sent your final payment request."

"We understand this situation was frustrating, but we kindly ask that you remove your negative and disparaging comments against our business. Failure to do so will result in you no longer being able to deposit or play on our platform. Hope to see you back."

Either way they can run their business as they see fit; I just feel this was unnecessary.

Good luck to all parties involved.

Yeah, will close this thread once payment is confirmed.

According to Adkinsbet, withdrawal should be processed today.

I am very happy for the nice ending.

P.S Thanks a lot for the support mate, appreciated

Hi spyrosc200,

I just have send you a PM.
Your withdrawal is processed :)
Please confirm here so we can lock the topic.

Hi Adkinsbet,

Trasaction is still uncormirmed though.

Once it is cormirmed and funds are into my wallet, will update the topic.

Hope funds reach my wallet today so that i can lock topic today :)

Update: Funds have just reached my wallet

Many thanks to Steamtyme & Royse777 for their help solving this issue.

Many thanks to Adkinsbet representative for his cooperation as well.

Will let Adkisbet to have the last words in case they want to add something and will lock topic after that.

Once again, many thanks to all users who tried to solve this issue!

Hello,
Good to see that you have received your funds.
We saw that it was very busy in the blockchain network, so the confirmation took a little longer. Congratulations with your winnings.
Can you put [SOLVED] at the beginning of the subject?
Thanks.

Done!

This topic is now locked.

Once again, thanks a lot everyone who help solving this issue