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I believe we should have a discussion on why it's so important to defend the bitcoin network to the death.

(metaphorically speaking, we don't have to sacrifice any life.)

This is not a cult. You don't have to defend the network with your lives.

It's highly unlikely that Bitcoin will 'die' unless there is a catastrophic event that brings down the entire internet and all of the hard drive's contents. The number of nodes that are present on the network ensures that there is sufficient redundancy. It also won't really matter that much if Bitcoin gets abandoned because there'll probably be a better version of the crypto available.

For there to be a discussion on this you would have to bring examples of when the Bitcoin network was being defended to the death.
If someone comes along to spread fud, or wrong information in the community, then of course other users would correct them or dismiss their opinions if they're just trolls. This doesn't mean that any constrictive criticism would be dismissed; if you stick around long enough you'll come across open discussions on scalability as well as spike in transaction fees.

There a saying which I came across a while back which I'll paraphrase here as I can't remember the exact words;
"Watch where you put your feet and when you're convinced it's the right step, set your feet strongly".

This means if someone has considered the pros and cons of Bitcoin and has reached the conclusion that it is worth defending and could change the financial system, they would become very enthusiastic about it and debunk any misinformation.

I don't think we need to exaggerate things here, bitcoin's network has been running a unprecedented 99% uptime if I'm not mistaken for the last 10 years or so. Meaning there are really people without getting incentives to keep the network secure.

And nodes will keep growing regardless, it is decentralised and this is one of bitcoin's strength and everyone knows this since the beginning. And it is not that it is going down a bit, so defend it to death is such a exaggeration.

metaphorical?
not metaphor is a meaning based on an equation or comparison of words. So you mean here to pair the word bitcoin network with life?

It's clear that if your life ends and dies, bitcoins will still be around. because the age of bitcoin is not determined by your age. Unless you have bitcoin, you are unlikely your offspring will continue
In essence, if the life in the world is finished, the bitcoin network will automatically be completed.

ponder this quote

We don't need to defend bitcoin to death because it will never die even in the future, there are so many numbers of nodes on the internet that is circulating the world of crypto. Internet is the only threat for the world of crypto, once the internet has gone then the bitcoin and even the world crypto will also go but that is somehow impossible to happen because the Internet is already part of our daily lives and no one can stop it.

it sounds too much to defend the bitcoin network to death. Who will be between us and bitcoin?
of course bitcoin will continue to run the network. provided that we can click full access to the internet.

bitcoin has run over time and left its holders dead. This of course indicates that bitcoin will not die quickly if we all avoid the third world war.

In highly unlikely anticipated event where internet comes down, I think you can't defend the bitcoin network.

Government around the world decide to forbidden the use of BTC just like what other country did before like China and India. Law is the natural of the new technologies especially when we are talking about finance since there are some famous people that controlling the majority of banking system of the world. They can easily manipulate the government if ever BTC will hurt there business.

You don't need to defend it to the death, whatever that means, just running a full node and talking about Bitcoin's advantages to your friends is more than enough. Bitcoin is not relying on its supporters defending it, if it was, it would have been a pretty poor design, because pure belief is hard to achieve and maintain, which is why Bitcoin uses economic incentives to function - you don't need to defend Bitcoin from a 51% attack, for example, miners will do it because staying honest is simply the best strategy.

We are already de :Pfending so called network to death, by adopting it in the mainstream era of digital world. Just imagine how we have started using bitcoin on the mass scale and how people has set up huge mining farms around the globe. I don't think that these mining farms will go abandoned after so much investment into it and so much profitability is already accomplished by them.

These farms are working around the clock to keep the blockchain strong enough to stay forever. Moreover consider the giant public network where every computer is connected, it's not easy to take it down at this stage.

Just brace yourself to see newer development every other year and wait for this network to become so much sophisticated that there won't be any power off for it. :-)

As long as bitcoin works this way there is nothing to defend, given that BTC is defending itself pretty handsomely since its inception. Do your small part running a node, explaining others about the real bitcoin specs and everything will continue to work.
This may turn into the best nonviolent (financial) revolution the world has ever seen.

This was exactly my thinking as well, what kind of scenario does the OP have in mind, right now there is no existential threat to bitcoin and there will not be one for some time, one of the ones that are brought most of the time are quantum computers and while such technology could be a threat it is not something that will appear out of nowhere, the developers will have years if not a decade to do something about it.

So there is no need to be so dramatic about defending bitcoin and the network since that is something a great deal of people have an interest not only for ideological reasons but also because there is so much money invested in bitcoin now that it is slowly becoming too big to fail.

What do you mean by "defend"? Like physically? Take the fight to the streets, protest against our governments if they try to ban it?

My way of protecting it is providing arguments. I'm willing to take on every critic out there and debate with them. I'm also defending it by hodling. Any other ways how we can do it?

i dont know where the OP got the idea of his statement. but yeah, theres no need to defend or anything because there's nothing to defend for in the first place. we can say that the btc network is relatively secure as there are people who are into this even without the request of the community.
or maybe the op meant defend the existence of btc to other nonbelievers? anyway, we cant push other people to believe in crypto or btc in particular, you can educate them but it is still up to them how they will use crypto in their lives. dont expect that they will embrace at the first time they will hear it. but only a matter of time before they realized whats their missing...

what conditions threaten the bitcoin network that we have to defend it to the death? is it a 51% attack? is it the regulation? or quantum computers?
I believe that people with power (funds and knowledge) i.e. the developers and miners have been working so hard all the time to ensure that the problem solved and also provide solutions to problems that may occur in the future. Bitcoin has been growing rapidly over the last 10 years and there is more positive adoption of bitcoin in the world of traditional finance, even some countries are classified as bitcoin-friendly. every problem has a solution.

Many things people can do to help bitcoin and bitcoin network.

Run a full node and connect its to other full nodes to help to have more backup of the network records and help bitcoin network is more decentralized.
Use non custodial wallet and manage the recovery progress. It helps you control your bitcoin and help the network has less lost bitcoin. https://wasabiwallet.io/

Use DEX: bisq, localcryptos, hodlhodl.
https://bisq.network/
https://localcryptos.com/
https://hodlhodl.com/

Try to use bitcoin for your shopping to help the growth of bitcoin adoption.

Even if we are not talking metaphorically, the attacks against the network is relentless that it becomes impossible for a one man army to defend it. Defending something you benefit from should come to an extent and I think putting almost your entire life is not an ideal move to be honest. Bitcoin needs people that think for themselves, not sycophants who will be easily dissuaded that bitcoin can do no wrong. People like that is the worst because they will not listen to a voice of reason if the thing that they love is criticized. Isn't it a bit smarter if you save your own skin rather than your ideal because if you live then your ideals will live too.

Bitcoin can live longer than our lives so it is not such a worry and he already stated that we will not do it literally where we should waste our lives, it is not like that.


What do you mean? A war? Absolutely when things like that happens and weapon of mass destruction occurs then probably all of currency will become worthless because humanity will be badly affected.

Ethereum is already a good replacement for bitcoin so it is really not a worry if bitcoin will be left behind. Right now, we are investing on other coins so that we can have some other source of profits when bitcoin is not in a good move or not in a bull run. That's a good example that there are also cryptocurrency that is good to invest as an asset not only bitcoin.

No need because the bitcoin network is good. If you downloaded a bitcoin client then you will then be part of the network bitcoin. It just make sense that why do we need to defend bitcoin network when in fact that there are many had it downloaded and being part already with bitcoin network. No one can stop bitcoin in my own opinion unless all the countries around the world will unite to prohibit anyone to get bitcoin or to have it access.

It wasn't the original post, he edited it. There wasn't any indication of it being a metaphor or anything similar. Bitcoin can outlive us, doesn't mean it will or it should.

I don't think fiat would be devalued to that extent, even in wars. Else, how would people still transact?

Bitcoin, conversely is more susceptible to EMP and disruption in the internet than you think. Alternative forms of communication is possible but isn't widely adopted.

I read over and over again the purpose of your topic, but until now I have not understood the purpose of your question "maintain the Bitcoin network". What does it mean...!

Maybe before you talk about the Bitcoin network, maybe you should learn a little about what is called the Bitcoin network.
Guide to the OP.

Bitcoin network (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitcoin_network#:~:text=The%20bitcoin%20network%20is%20a,using%20bitcoin%20cryptocurrency%20wallet%20software.&text=The%20network%20requires%20minimal%20structure%20to%20share%20transactions).

If you have read and understand about the Bitcoin network, then you create a topic for discussion, so people can understand your goals.

I understand what you mean, that we as Bitcoin enthusiasts must give the best for Bitcoin. Because the number of people who support
and trust Bitcoin is still very small compared to the world's population. If we as supporters of Bitcoin do not defend Bitcoin, who else will
protect Bitcoin. Because there are so many out there who want to kill Bitcoin. So in a war strategy with a small number there is still
a chance of winning the battle. Therefore, because the number of Bitcoin supporters is small, we are all trying to keep the popularity and
adoption of Bitcoin increasing.

I understand what you're saying, but I'm not an extremist when it comes to Bitcoin. It is the best candidate to replace our fiat, decaying system. But if something better pops out or if a flaw is discovered in the technology (I don't think it will happen if it stood its ground for so many years) I'll change my "team".

I full-heartedly agree with you! Down with tyranny and oppression. Down with the greedy governments of the world. I would give my life for bitcoin any day. Without it I am nothing. I wouldn't have work or a job or a house, car, tv, pc, and anything else that's around me at this time.

Bitcoin is not a currency it's a tool of liberation and freedom. Viva la bitcoin!!

If you see the posts of users, most of them think that we have to defend bitcoin as OP mentioned. Idk why some people post things like this and blame every altcoin, especially Bitcoin cash and XPR, yeah, it's clear that there is shady marketing behind it but blaming BCH because it has higher block size and offers better transaction fees and speed, for me, sounds illogical.
So no, we don't have to defend anything, especially bitcoin. It's so strong that it doesn't need defence from you, see it's price, it's rising, going on the moon while you are on the earth, so, I think the answer is clear.

There's no need for any defending or some sort because it cant really be go down unless if internet would be totally lost on this planet and as long

there were people who do engage nor support bitcoin then circulation will continue unless if theses people or the community will jump off into another much
better coin or tech then that would be an inevitable thing for bitcoin to die.(not literally) but when theres no user then its already understandable.

As long demand and support is there then its unlikely for bitcoin to vanish or die, it isnt a guarantee but there's always a plausibility.

You have to draw a fine line between inspiration and obsession. And if you ate goint to sacrifice your life just to male sure your asset is profitable, might be something that you want to have checked with a psychiatrist. No offence meant bro. Just making sure you are okay. Be it metaphorical or literal, bitcoin is just an asset. You don't have to patronize it like that. And bitcoin is already in the gray area of the internet where it is bpth revered and feared. So might as well just let it be. For the meantime, enjoy the new ATH it just received. We all deserved it.