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Is it just me or there are many others thinking same thing? Non ICO/IEO projects always have longer life span, where as new projects are all running after funds for better future of their projects, how about those projects that have no ICO, no premine? Some are even funded by the teams without the public penny


There are many old altcoins alive today that are not funded, litecoin, XMR etc, they did no ICO and they rocks.

Agree. When a project doesn't hold an ICO or IEO it means they have to build something with utility to generate funds for the devs to be successful. That's why I only invest in POW projects like 0xMonero and Raven.

I have came across several non funded projects that has performed extraordinary, though if a project is lucky to be listed like binance, Okex, Gate exchange and some popular reputable exchanges seems to perform better too.
I have also experience some ico projects like DIA raised $18m during their bonding curve sell, their token increased in price from $0.8 to $5 but was dumped due to kucoin hacked. It's still hasn't go below ICO price which is a good thing.
Do proper and personal research, there are good coins that worth investing on either for long and short term.

If the team are not greedy and passionate about their project, there is nothing bad in conducting an ico/ieo. Many of the funded project are not in haste to achieve anything, they do things at their own pace unlike the non funded. It all depends on the team members and how futurely commited and passionate about the project.

For have coins alive you dont need money, but for listing purposes you cant do much since money is important thing to have listing ticket. So for infamous coin, money is needed mostly for marketing purposes, imo

I think funded project are best to choose for investment between non funded & funded projects.because non funded  projects need money to development, need money to list that on exchanges.even listing on good exchange like Binance is so costly, that they can't afford.even can scam but people can trust on funded project.they can check processes and feel free to investment there. Although funded projects could also cheat with people too

^ When a project is built without funding like an ICO or IEO they have no burden on anything, they only focus on being able to develop their project to success without thinking about "profit". Most projects fail because they are not able to profit and return the capital they have used for marketing, bounties, development, listings, etc., so they have to end their project.

I think it works both ways; there are several non funded projects with long life span; and also there are funded projects in the crypo currency who also have a long time spam. The most important feature to look out for is that the developer and team are genuine and true; the product is real and achievable. Any project with such feature either funded or non funded will definitely be around for a long time.

I love the non-funded project because :
- The supply more friendly
- The price can more reasonable calculated from the mining hash
- Entering with an early adopter

But, as always before entering a non-funded project you should know the project was riskier than other projects with having a fund and need long patience. I got a few project with non-funded like ICO/IEO and a few of them give me a good profit around x10-x20 with around 6 month for the faster and more than 1 years for a long wait.

It depends, sometimes the team are known to both crypto and the tech world, famous bankers, influencer, businessman, actors and actresses are also part of them. They also have the money and in the end they d not need to do ICO and the sorts just to fund their project. So investors will definitely be engaging because they will feel secure knowing those famous people are somewhat related. They give positive vibes, I remember some of the alts way back and surprisingly they have managed to make it until now.

yes, but not all non funded project have a better future buddy
sometimes non funded project will use their own fund to start the project my friend
and in my opinion thats a big sign if the project team is very serious to develop their project

If a project don't hold a public fundrising like ICO or IEO, this doesn't mean that it's a non funded project. There should be some private investors or the team itself financially support the project by their own money.
Any project needs a minimum budget to start, even those who run an ICO, they need a budget to do so.
This has nothing to prove about if the project is a success or not.

The early non funded projects were experimental and serious with the development and experimentation. But the new projects are aiming the same thing and that is to earn out of the presale. They sell promises from the air which is being bought by many investors.
In the long run, serious projects will win. Those projects that have dedicated developers to prolong the life of the project through usecase and adoption.

Current conditions are not as easy as before. It seems that in the past there were very few new projects so they didn't do an ICO and they could survive as long as their team committed to project development. However, for now, many new projects have emerged and the number of competitors has made the crowdfunding process flourish as well. And now is having funds first before funding as it is important too. Because with a team that has sufficient funding, they can choose the top exchange for listing their tokens, right?

it's just about serious or not developing their project. no matter where the development funds come from, the most important thing is that they must be serious about project development. average old projects are seriously under development and even though their platform is operational they are still trying to update it to make it better. in contrast to the current projects, they are all money-oriented. when the developer has the funds, they seem to forget the original purpose. and in the end everything that was planned could not be realized.

Many? you may wrong about this dude. The majority of ico coins are dominating the top 100 CMC?
What about namecoin?
Litecoin is also having problem with its development progress as it lack of funding. Charlie has also confirmed it in the past.

In fact it the top coins are still dominated by the funded projects. Those old non funded projects were getting the momentum. There are also so many dead non funded projects.

I won't agree to that because most non-funded projects tend to have not enough funds to keep the project alive, especially if they don't market their project which needed a lot of budget in the first place. I guess it just depends on the will of the project developers. I've seen a lot of non-funded dying projects that is still alive today but I don't think they will ever rise up.

Those non-funded projects are like the founders of the cryptocurrency so that's why you only see few, most are garbage nowadays.

How about If the team list their tokens or coins themselves? How did Monero and Veil project get listed on exchange without ICO or IEO? It shows that they are more serious about their projects and the projects will have a very longer life, fund raising isn't everything, 99% of scam projects are all ICO funded

I could agree for monero but it's not about veil. As far as I know, if veil was a forking coin from the pivx project and it's almost dead right now. Can we still consider it as a legit coin that could survive in the long term? We could not.
It seems like that if you are a newcomer and you didn't know how POW coin was flooding the market in the past.

Years ago when POW algorithm was still a big thing many new POW coins showed up then and they confused many to start mining, what you don't understand is Non ICO projects scammed many through POW algo, when you are busy mining and they list on exchange, the team will dumped the coins and exit scam, leaving few liquidity left

You are right, Non ICO coins can still scam people, they don't have to ask for any funds to scam people, I've mined many coins in 2018 and they end up worthless because the team sell off on exchanges and leave low volume left on exchanges, there is no big difference between funded and non funded projects, scam can still happen

You need to do research on projects that was released in 2010, 2011, 2012, ICO was no where to be found then but many coins that was released in those years are non ICO projects and they still exit scam on people, they are proof of work projects, giving many the confidence to start mining the coins but later they end up abandoned

I agree with you on this matter. We've seen many fraudulent ICO so far. It's not all about ICO. Cryptocurrencies without an ICO background can be more successful.

I do not think we can really identify their ICO price because that bonding curve was created in a way that it price will increase with the total pool of token amounts decreased. So its starting price was 0.5$ but it increased over time as long as the token sale continues. Also, I didn't think its a price dump because of hacked funds because when hacked sell his token price dump was not that high as it was after the kucoin hack news came out. Actually, that news struck that whole market and DIA also suffer from it.

whether the initial adoption is funded or not depends on how the Team works, the initial goal of the project whether it can be completed or not.
if they can realize the goals they want to build and there is real use in the project, it can be said to have the potential to attract investors to invest and compete to reach the peak of its glory.

Sometimes where there is enough money there will be lack of motivation because the aims of every human is to be successful, money have make many do evil things, money have make many forget who they really are, project team can have a change of mind, less motivations when there is enough money surrounding them

This is a fact, I've seen team members fighting among themselves for unknown reasons, probably because of money 🤔? A good example is miracletele, things are going so well until they raised good amount of money and we are been told that the CEO left without saying good bye, even the COO denied her involvement in the project

Money can change team anytime, that's why we see most projects having a good beginnings and as time goes on they slack, development are been sluggish and roadmap isn't followed anymore, updates are even slower, no ICO no premine coins can still turn scam too but they are limited compared to ICO projects

non funded projects are using pure skill and talent , this is only their capital so they habe no choice but to thier best  but those funded projects are too confident enough that they already forgot to foccus on their works .

 this is what im saying that if im going to succeed or have alot of money , i wont stop working what i started and im going to be humble and down to earth so that i can retain ny wealth for a many more years . i think this lesson can be applied on our topic .

I don't think that unfunded projects are bad, projects like Litecoin and XMR are old coins, their projects are clear and scalable but many investors trust their projects even though they are not funded, the point is the intention of the project team and even though they are not funded they are very serious about developing their projects and products to attract investors, other projects must follow in their footsteps

There are different phases in crowdfund in cryptocurrency, most which are determined by people's exposure to cryptocurrency? The advent of litecoin and XMR has a lot of support from the few early influencers of the space, they could easily get listed on the exchange and have enough bitcoin from early trade in the account till date. These communities still hold early cryptocurrency maximalist that push there profit to other altcoins in the ICO era. Privately funded project especially from team this days will rely on the strong fundamental of the project which cant be stole early, they will need strong promotion even after listing. DEX at the moment can cater for them till they get up

It's not that easy, haven't you see projects that have clear targets and we'll scalable that still end up choosing the wrong path later? It's not about the funds because non funded doesn't mean the team can't steal money, getting listed on exchanges is all that matters, that's where the real money is.

Both have the potential to succeed, it is just that, community-funded projects are most likely to succeed and on the other hand, are most likely to turn out to be scams. It depends, most projects require community fund if they have a use case that really requires funds. But as what I can see, there are some projects that don't really require community funds but still conducts ICO's it doesn't mean that they are a scam, but they are putting the collected funds as the liquidity in a decentralized exchange, and to use the funds to list on other good centralized exchanges. But for the sake of the safety of the investors, it is more advisable that they should invest in non-funded projects. Developers will still earn but the likelihood of scams will be less.

I feel more safer with projects that have no ICO and no premine because many have proven to be more serious than funded projects, for them its all about delivering a top notch product to gain stardom compare to funded project that aims for top exchanges believing that's the only way to stardom this days

Today If you are a real person and your team members are public you can easily target binance exchange with your funds or just introduce IEO on binance, it's way easier for funded projects this way than non funded projects, for non funded projects it's more challenging and tasking

OP is on the side of unfunded project but if you are making a comparison about how much successful unfunded project compared with the successful funded project and we can know the winner easily. The only old POW that has a very good vision while there are so many scam POW coin being created in the past.
There are no lots of differences between both. that depends on the project itself.

What do you expect from cryptocurrency projects without direction? most of these cryptocurrency project don't have directions, some will just did their project for fund raising and then abandon the project to suffer. I have learned so many lessons because i was bitten from ICO back in 2017, i now carefully research into projects to see if they are be funded or starving for funds before make my investment.

At least they had to have blocks mined and computers and clients,,, I even got duped by POS coins at one point having many wallets just staking and open all the time what a waste of effort;) Once people learned how to do ERC20 they did not even bother having real codes and wallets;)

Scammers have their ways even when ICO haven't exists, I remember that some coins came out with litecoin in 2011 and they get abandoned after few trades, I suspect that the team sell what they can sell off and exit the project, things are just more cool in those days and crypto start having enormous stains after ICO came into crypto space

It all depends on the project if the project carries value and the community believes in it, then it will be interesting for investors too because in the end everyone wants to make money. It is now impossible for new projects to develop without big money, because if you pay your team with candy wrappers, employees will leave you when they are offered big money.

Project is depend on its developer not fund, bitcoin it self never get funded also Litecoin untill the coin has a value, but there is also funded project which become very successfull like AAVE ( it was ethlend ), another funded project but only small ammount ( ethereum ).

Devs are always the ones who we blame for what will the project become but crowdsale is also important. Having a crowdsale doesn't mean that projects are for the extra fund that will be used in the project but another purpose of it is to gain community traction and to gather community support to hold their project tokens. I know you can compare it to airdrop that gives a free tokens to the community for them to get the support of the community, but project investors put more value to the token they paid and this can make the project last a long time.

There are projects which skipped crowd funding programs but it doesn't meas they had money, there are people who wanted to invest on a project if they like the idea behind it who are called angel investors basically the project conducted private sale before the launch of their project into exchanges.

I used to have a thing for Veil project too but not anymore, the price is way down and it's development is slow too, lack of mobile wallet is what's affecting veil adoption I believe, to hold this coin you need to use windows or Linux and also sync the whole blockchain, many like me won't like this idea

I agree as well, you see most times it's easy to run around and play with people's money this is what most funded projects are doing, they get the funds they need yet they can't offer anything good to the community. While on the other hand, when you fund a project with your own money, you will take every needed step to ensure your money doesn't go in vain, this is why the team non funded projects today keeps working on their project to keep it alive so that they can get the best out of their investments. Nowadays, we hardly hear about non funded projects but more of funded projects yet there is nothing to shows for it, it's either they exit scam or the project ends up dying.
Furthermore, one of the reasons why non funded projects last longer is because the use case is always applicable and most times if not all the times, the team always have a working product before listing.

The difference is funded project usually takes off faster than the unfunded project. You just don't know how long the team from an unfunded project has put their efforts into that projects meanwhile funded projects usually grow and scales faster.

At the end of the day it still depends on the projects team though, usually a project that aims higher will requires funding. It's just how the developers and the team behind that project approach things.

The prerequisites for the "incorrect" development of financed projects - in the absence of a legislative base, ample opportunities for fraud and financial crimes. And of course, such a market always attracts criminals, or at least people who are "not clean on their hands." If you recall, 2017-2018 was the hottest season, when funds were attracted by all and sundry, and projects were released without even the slightest imagination - simple copies from a copy ... But on the HYIP, extras carried money to any project with a beautiful title, and it was only necessary to make a wallet and "roll it out" to the stock exchange - then people themselves pumped the project, someone earned, someone lost ... At the same time, such a model of behavior was absolutely unacceptable for those who decided to really develop their project

The only way for a non funded project to grow big is on the team, they have so much to prove and also work on winning investors heart, it won't be easy unlike IEO projects that relies on top exchanges investors to meet their target, on binance there is assurance of meeting your target

Well because from the meaning of the acronym, red flags would already arise anyway. Getting investments from people before the actual launch of the project is surely risky as hell. At worst, they end up just getting dumped after the launch unlike the mentioned coins in the OP.

Maybe because there are already many projects with existing competition, then they need fast funds to be able to penetrate the market quickly too. Every era has a change of habits and I think this is what happens, when growth occurs and any idea will be good and will last for a long time with high enthusiasm in the past. It seems different after many projects require funds, at least they are only looking for quick profits but unfortunately it is inconsistent to continue to develop their own products even though there are some that are successful and consistent, but that's not all.

A project is not good depending on just the funding process. You could have a good project that is not funded or have a good project that is funded, you could have a bad project that is not funded or bad project that is funded.

It doesn't matter if it is funded or not, it just matters if it is good or not and how it could be good depends on just two parties, the team behind it and community around it that's all there is. If the team is not filled with scammers, if they actually work and want to make this a great project 50% of the situation is done, if the community behind it is also great that would make things a bit more awesome and fill it with 100%.

Without a good team you are going to have a lot of people scammed, without the community you are going to have a team who works for nothing. That is why I think it is quite important to have both.

Most of these projects that do not raise funds publically do have other sources of funding like private or venture funding while some develop from the pockets of founders, developers and team itself but keep in mind that they do cashout later by selling their supply of coins in the market that make them big profits as well.

of course there is quite a big difference between now and 5 years ago, and this is because the trust of the crypto community is still maintained in the existing project and maybe 5 years ago crypto is still a hype for people who want to invest whereas now We can see how many frauds occur in crypto projects so that it makes some people reluctant to invest and of course this has an impact on the death of a crypto project that does not have sufficient funding to run the project roadmap.

Everything changes now that scammers knew how people in crypto space react, some might think its okay because it a non ico project but a large percentage are premine will be a big issue.

Scammers motivation could be for a long term too. There were tons of them in the past but after 2018, they simply just run.

Situation is changed and ico or ieo are trending system at this moment to collect public money.cause nowadays project are bullshit, just planning to grab our money and run away from us and then keep their same work continue. Funded projects are also same. They add their token on exchange with their money and start ieo so that they could grab get double return and run away. So choice the project carefully, no matter funded or non funded