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Title: Satoshi Book: The Hornet's Nest. All HIs public writings/emails. Will it sell?
Post by: Searing on December 20, 2020, 11:12:10 PM
There is a book out of all of Satoshi's writings. I may not have the technical skills to understand all of this book, even if I have to skim some. But should be very interesting indeed.

I ordered the book above: Kicking the Hornet's Nest: The Complete Writings, Emails, and Forum Posts of Satoshi Nakamoto, the Founder of Bitcoin and Cryptocurrency Paperback.

January 3, 2019, by Mill Hill Books. Again, this seems to be available ONLY in a paperback form, not electronic Kindle format. Which I find amusing! :)

Supposedly it has all of his writings in a paperback. Below is the Amazon link. The price is $29.25 and published on January 3rd, 2019. The book is 343 pages long.

Available on Amazon. https://www.amazon.com/Kicking-Hornets-Nest-Complete-Cryptocurrency/dp/0359327443 (https://www.amazon.com/Kicking-Hornets-Nest-Complete-Cryptocurrency/dp/0359327443)

What about anyone on here? What do you think? Has anyone read the book already?

For that matter any really, really old-timers on Bitcointalk here that remember reading on forums when Satoshi was posting

or hell even 'conversed' in some manner with Satoshi on Bitcointalk or any other medium back in the day?

Also, do you think sales will pick-up with the ATH and FOMO pump of Bitcoin Prices?

Anyway, reply on the thread here. Tell us what you think.

Brad


Title: Re: Satoshi Book: The Hornet's Nest. All HIs public writings/emails. Will it sell?
Post by: Searing on December 20, 2020, 11:15:57 PM
Reserved.


Title: Re: Satoshi Book: The Hornet's Nest. All HIs public writings/emails. Will it sell?
Post by: BigBoy89 on December 21, 2020, 12:45:07 AM
IMO the book will not sell, at least not at $30.

I would pay up to ten bucks for such a book to satisfy my curiosity. And it has to be in Kindle or EPUB format.


Title: Re: Satoshi Book: The Hornet's Nest. All HIs public writings/emails. Will it sell?
Post by: btc_angela on December 21, 2020, 12:55:36 AM
I think it will sell though, specially for those late comers who wanted to know about the Legendary man. But for us who have been in this forum, all of Satoshi's posts can be viewed here and we have numerous threads discussing about his early posts.

Good timing by the author though, releasing it when we reach all time high this year and it seems no stopping till next year.

Probably nice to haves if you are a crypto enthusiast, to be in your books shelves for years to come.


Title: Re: Satoshi Book: The Hornet's Nest. All HIs public writings/emails. Will it sell?
Post by: Wexnident on December 21, 2020, 01:04:23 AM
Highly doubt it. Maybe for those people who are quite hungry for info, not the usual curious one but those that come up with random bs to assume who, what and where Satoshi Nakamoto is right now. But other than that? No chance really. Most general info can be found on the internet, and as for chronological order, well, you can spend some time arranging that on your own, or you can ask around.. No sense in buying it, maybe around $15 some would be more interested? The author, whoever he was, could've honestly gotten more sales if it was in EPUB or Kindle format to avoid the printing costs, which can probably make the product cost itself lower.



Title: Re: Satoshi Book: The Hornet's Nest. All HIs public writings/emails. Will it sell?
Post by: GazetaBitcoin on December 21, 2020, 07:07:32 AM
Tell us what you think.

I think this book is an outrageous act. Someone taking all Satoshi's words and selling them for money, without his consent. No good deed goes unpunished, right?

So Satoshi creates Bitcoin, offers it for free to the people, to help them escape from governs' surveillance. To help them take the power from the elites back to their hands. To help them be free. What people do? They invent centralised exchanges from their greed and try to get rich instead of free, helping the govern to centralize somethibg which was born decentralized.

What they do next? They take even Satoshi's words, place them in a book and sell it for money. That's a shame! I hope nobody will buy this book!


Title: Re: Satoshi Book: The Hornet's Nest. All HIs public writings/emails. Will it sell?
Post by: Searing on December 21, 2020, 05:55:03 PM
Tell us what you think.

I think this book is an outrageous act. Someone taking all Satoshi's words and selling them for money, without his consent. No good deed goes unpunished, right?

So Satoshi creates Bitcoin, offers it for free to the people, to help them escape from governs' surveillance. To help them take the power from the elites back to their hands. To help them be free. What people do? They invent centralised exchanges from their greed and try to get rich instead of free, helping the govern to centralize somethibg which was born decentralized.

What they do next? They take even Satoshi's words, place them in a book and sell it for money. That's a shame! I hope nobody will buy this book!


Yeah, but on the other hand, they are in the 'public' record...it is not like when they do an autobiorgraphy of say Washington, the first US President and his

'private' letters, and others talking about Satoshi like a public known figure like Washington. The author could have easily made the book a much bigger seller

by simply adding Hal Finney and others public postings and all that or do a tell all of the 'drama' of and speculate on fights or something in the public forums.

Can you imagine what a person could do with my posts and someone else's heated argurements on Bitcointalk here? All out of context.


So anyway, you don't know who Satoshi is, you have these public postings and information, you are simply posting those, so sure he is making $$ on this

but, i mean big whoop, it is more a 'technical guide' and listing of all the public papers and postings of Steven Hawking say, no one would have any problem

with that, on his theories and his comments on such, hell likely there will be such a book of such. So it is a 'niche' book, I doubt he will make any reall $$$

on such and if Satoshi is 'dead' of which I'm 99% sure of, it would have been too simple to simply move a btc from 1 satoshi wallet to another to cut the

fraud Craig Wright off at the knees....Satoshi only has his public postings and such to plead his case. So yeah, its fine, IMHO.

Brad


Title: Re: Satoshi Book: The Hornet's Nest. All HIs public writings/emails. Will it sell?
Post by: buwaytress on December 21, 2020, 06:08:28 PM
Well, it's no longer complete if it's published in Jan 2019. I believe at least once last year new emails were made public, and then late this year again more resurfaced (https://www.coindesk.com/satoshi-nakamoto-hal-finney-emails). It's a growing list of public domain and no one place having it all for reference, not even that book you mention.

Be cool for someone to maintain a list, I'm sure I came across one on the forum some time. It's less important other than for historical research.


Title: Re: Satoshi Book: The Hornet's Nest. All HIs public writings/emails. Will it sell?
Post by: GazetaBitcoin on December 21, 2020, 08:50:20 PM
Yeah, but on the other hand, they are in the 'public' record...it is not like when they do an autobiorgraphy of say Washington, the first US President and his

It doesn't matter. Even if it's legal, it's unethical. Would you feel good if someone would take your public posts and make money out of them? Furthermore: without even asking you if you are OK with that? I doubt.

Besides, you are here. You can sue such a person. Satoshi isn't here anymore (no matter if alive of dead), so he is not going to sue the author. Does that make the author a good person? Not at all. Just someone trying to earn some profit using Satoshi's work. Almost not different to CSW. It's a shame!


Title: Re: Satoshi Book: The Hornet's Nest. All HIs public writings/emails. Will it sell?
Post by: davis196 on December 22, 2020, 06:41:06 AM
The guy,who published this book is a true businessman. ;D
Getting text content,which isn't yours,for free and making a book,that you will be selling for 30 USD.
This guy has a brain for business for sure. ;D
What's next?Getting all the public writings/emails of Vitalik Buterin(or any other altcoin co-founder) and publishing more books to make more money? ;D
I guess that nobody will be buying such book,probably just a bunch of hardcore Bitcoin fanatics. ;D



Title: Re: Satoshi Book: The Hornet's Nest. All HIs public writings/emails. Will it sell?
Post by: Shallow on December 22, 2020, 07:32:42 AM
I think there is every tendency that this book will sell, this is because Satoshi being a prominent name in the crypto space will drive curiosity and the urge to know more in the minds of people especially those who knows a thing or two about Bitcoin in particular. So when they come across the book, they will really want to know what Satoshi created, his ideas, posts and so on, hence by so doing they will be forced to use the book as a backup to explain what crypto is, how it started and who was behind it. Lastly, humans are really inquisitive, so it will come naturally for them to go for it and know what makes Bitcoin founder different from others. In addition, what is needed for the book to sell well is good publicity and/or advert.


Title: Re: Satoshi Book: The Hornet's Nest. All HIs public writings/emails. Will it sell?
Post by: 20kevin20 on December 22, 2020, 08:04:21 AM
Hmm, I have mixed feelings about this. The price certainly is too large for a book out of which there is probably no original content coming from Mill Hill Books themselves, but what I do like is that this is preserving history the way it used to be preserved a long time ago. I'd honestly purchase such a book just to have my own reserve of everything coming from Satoshi. You never know how and when information may be lost.

It doesn't matter. Even if it's legal, it's unethical. Would you feel good if someone would take your public posts and make money out of them? Furthermore: without even asking you if you are OK with that? I doubt.
On one hand I do get what you mean, but on the other hand there are some books quite similar to what Mill Hill Books has done, such as historical letters from Caesar (https://www.amazon.com/Caesar-Reader-Selections-Gallicum-Speeches/dp/086516696X). These kind of books are available in pretty much any library. I guess he wasn't asked whether he'd like those to be made public either - and it's even worse because these are supposed to be private letters.


Title: Re: Satoshi Book: The Hornet's Nest. All HIs public writings/emails. Will it sell?
Post by: witcher_sense on December 22, 2020, 08:18:45 AM
If I wanted to read Satoshi writings in a form of a book, I would rather choose this book
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71iST07vxvL._AC_SL1500_.jpg
https://www.amazon.com/Book-Satoshi-Collected-Writings-Nakamoto-ebook/dp/B00M6KGJ2K
It is several times cheaper and is available in digital formats such as kindle, and in audible format.


Title: Re: Satoshi Book: The Hornet's Nest. All HIs public writings/emails. Will it sell?
Post by: Darker45 on December 22, 2020, 08:41:37 AM
Yeah, but on the other hand, they are in the 'public' record...it is not like when they do an autobiorgraphy of say Washington, the first US President and his

It doesn't matter. Even if it's legal, it's unethical. Would you feel good if someone would take your public posts and make money out of them? Furthermore: without even asking you if you are OK with that? I doubt.

Besides, you are here. You can sue such a person. Satoshi isn't here anymore (no matter if alive of dead), so he is not going to sue the author. Does that make the author a good person? Not at all. Just someone trying to earn some profit using Satoshi's work. Almost not different to CSW. It's a shame!

On a lighter note, I guess this is more or less inevitable. The name Satoshi Nakamoto is now very popular, not to mention mysterious. Apart from that, the legacy left by the person/people behind the name is so significant that it cannot be avoided that he/she/they get immortalized and his/her/their writings get recorded. So I guess it's just a matter of time before somebody would be diligent enough to compile all the limited information about the man/woman/people. It so happened that Mill Hill Books took the time and effort.

I noticed that the book is already on its second edition. I, therefore, surmise that the first edition was relatively successful or that there are new information worth adding to the earlier edition.


Title: Re: Satoshi Book: The Hornet's Nest. All HIs public writings/emails. Will it sell?
Post by: pooya87 on December 22, 2020, 09:00:20 AM
I don't think so since all of the things in that book are already available on the internet for the public and is also cataloged by some sites that also adds the option to search among them or even using this forum's search function to search for a keyword in Satoshi's post history would be a better option rather than paying to buy a book compilation of the same stuff.


Title: Re: Satoshi Book: The Hornet's Nest. All HIs public writings/emails. Will it sell?
Post by: Little Mouse on December 22, 2020, 10:51:00 AM
I don't think it’s going to be a huge sell. May be some people will be interested but that will be very few because everything is available in the internet. Why would anyone purchase a book while it’s available on the internet? Of course, some people love the smell of a fresh new book though.

this seems to be available ONLY in a paperback form, not electronic Kindle format. Which I find amusing! :)
It’s already available in electronic form, not in a book although. So, it doesn’t make sense make it available in electronic form.


Title: Re: Satoshi Book: The Hornet's Nest. All HIs public writings/emails. Will it sell?
Post by: DooMAD on December 22, 2020, 11:11:30 AM
May be some people will be interested but that will be very few because everything is available in the internet. Why would anyone purchase a book while it’s available on the internet?

That was my initial reaction, but I suppose there is a certain sentimentality about it.  I wouldn't buy it, but I'm sure there are enough people that will.  And at 30 bucks a pop, it's not like they need to sell that many to turn a tidy profit.

I'll echo the others in the topic who've said it's unethical and crass, though.


Title: Re: Satoshi Book: The Hornet's Nest. All HIs public writings/emails. Will it sell?
Post by: Lucius on December 22, 2020, 12:16:37 PM
Some people will certainly pay that price to have all that data in one place, especially those who still value books over digital options. But for anyone else who can find such information online completely free, a book will certainly not be something they will want to have.

What would be interesting to read, and not yet available are private messages from Satoshi from this forum. @theymos once wrote that he might one day publish them, although that's just an option - because it still takes some time for private information to be made public - Satoshi can show up at any time.


Title: Re: Satoshi Book: The Hornet's Nest. All HIs public writings/emails. Will it sell?
Post by: NotATether on December 22, 2020, 12:45:11 PM
Didn't Phil Zimmerman sell copies of PGP source code scanned in a book form? Those books made a load of money, and books about cryptography that are creative like the full listing of security code, or a list of posts that Satoshi ever made, get more people's attention than a regular book that is just a commentary or memoir on it. Particularly when there's a political event presently happening related to it.


Title: Re: Satoshi Book: The Hornet's Nest. All HIs public writings/emails. Will it sell?
Post by: GazetaBitcoin on December 22, 2020, 05:50:49 PM
Didn't Phil Zimmerman sell copies of PGP source code scanned in a book form?

The difference between Phil Zimmerman and the author of the book mentioned in OP is that Phil Zimmerman actually invented PGP, while the other guy just took Satoshi's words, placed them in a book and made money from that. As a consequence, Phil Zimmerman was entitled to do whatever he wanted with his PGP - write in a book, write in in two books, write it on a wall etc. It was his invention... He didn't take someone else's thoughts to earn mkney from them...