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I don't know why most people enjoy the heavy rise of bitcoin while it is only good for long term holders. How long do they want to hold? Forever? They have to sell at some point and exit the market. For day traders like me, expensive bitcoin is not attractive at all because it not only reduces my profit, but also increases my stress.

I have to buy at $40.000 and sell at $40.200 to gain daily profit (This is an example). This is much less profitable than when I used to buy at $8000 and sell at $8200 the same day. Apart from this, whenever I buy at $40.000, I am worried about a big crash right around the corner because the prices are too high now.

How do you cope with this situation as a day trader? Do you dare to buy $40K bitcoin for short term trading?

I don't trade. Just HODL my bitcoin until it reached minimum $100k-$300k whatever i feeling it's too high, so it doesn't make me stress

What about a person who doesn't own any bitcoin now? What should he do to earn profit from bitcoin?

There are lot of ways to earn Bitcoin, not only by doing trading.
Bitcoin was created for payment purposes, so trading it is just another way to earn profits or much worst is losing your money or Bitcoin.

Speaking of being a trader, when you just want to trade, the $8,000 price of Bitcoin before and price now at $40,000 got no difference at all if you just want to trade, the technical analysis will decide for sure, you will trade just profits, you have price target for particular trade position.

We're seeing lots of 5-10% daily swings. That's more profitable than a $200 swing in the $8,000s.


Stop losses should take care of that. Aren't you a day trader? This is Trading 101 shit. :P


I hold most of my wealth in BTC. When I day trade, I use BTC collateral to leverage long (2-5x, nothing crazy) with religious use of stop losses of course. I can do this because I am very confident in Bitcoin's long term uptrend.

I was here in 2013 and 2017 so I know by now, prices are not "too high." Yes, there will be some shakeouts. Brutal ones. When it happens, stop loss your longs and get ready to buy the dip. Rinse and repeat.

We're going a lot higher this year. ;)

Lmao, that’s a pretty obvious assumption.
The price goal that you have set will surely achieved by BTC, but that will take more than 5 years lol.
If you have the capability to hold till that day, then hats off to you mate.

Coming to the OP, it’s not a big deal while trading with BTC if we see.
If you don’t have the capability to bear losses then simply don’t look at Bitcoin.
The answer is just simple as that.

Does it mean the man has not btc but he has money to invest/trading? If he has enough money to invest then I will not suggest someone to enter in btc trade in this position. They always should invest in high potential alt coins which did not pump yet. And I am pretty sure high potential altcoins will pump surely.

And for make a profit from bitcoin trade it's very risky to manage emotions. Because we always expecting atleast a correction from this point.

We have different ways on how are we going to trade especially we are at the peak of the price or in the long time high I think you would be able to gain profit from day trading right now I'm more into futures let's hope that I would be able to get lucky here.

I think this depends, because in fact I still get enough profit even though I trade in several altcoin, let's be honest because for bitcoin I don't have a very full mental to see the current conditions.
it is like you said that worrying about a crash will occur when buying at $ 40,000. although in fact the situation is not.

however this makes us a limitation that trading with caution is more than enough. yeah, I'm still grateful that even with altcoin there is still an income.

Ah, the classic misconception that every single one of the long-term holders are simply holding bitcoin for a good chunk of years just to sell in the end.

Look, some of us simply want self-sovereignty, to have money that the central banks can't fuck with through inflation. A lot of people aren't just financially invested, but ideologically invested as well.

Let me show you the classic Bitcoin Neo meme:

I have $350 of investment. I trade daily with $100 investment in circulation and I have set aside the remaining $250 to invest in bitcoin whenever it crashed to below $10.000.

Whether its 8k or 40k, should not make any difference to traders.  You need to increase or decrease your position size. If are stressed trade small. You have that flexibility as it is divided into Satoshis.
In fact its more volatile, more swings up and down, giving more opportunities to trade and profit.

It does make a difference and a big one!
Suppose investing $100, buy at $8000 and sell at $8200. Profit = $2.5 (regardless of fees)
Suppose investing $100, buy at $40000 and sell at $40200. Profit = $0.5! (regardless of fees)

So, to earn the same $2.5, you have to sell at $41.000! In fact, you need 5x more price movement to achieve the same result. Bitcoin doesn't fluctuate $1000 every day.

Until they satisfied the profit that they targeted before converting into fiat.  How long they hold?  Every one of us here has a desired profit they want, if you are too much greedy, it could probably take a years before you will have a good result. 

Most people now prefer to hold than use in trading their Bitcoin or spending this in any transaction as a payment method, if you are trading it in a short term, you should also consider the fees, instead, while you are not holding and sell at one in a time to save some fees.  That's why there are few people who invest in Bitcoin and hold it for a long time because they think that Bitcoin is a safe haven after all.

This is the real game I enjoyed most when Btc is on up trend. We have already seen that Bitcoin crossed it's all previous records till now and make another ATH value. So those people who already hold it, got their profit already. Yes, it is only for long term holder and they already enjoyed the moment. I don't trade in this time and I am waiting to see another ATH value. Because I just hold Bitcoin.

I like this approach. Considering that the above price is quite realistic, your strategy looks very attractive.
In addition, the well-known fact that holding brings more money than trading, provided that you are an average trader.

It's hard to compete against the bull run market, day traders hardly get considerable profits, so it's not the right time to trade in the short term.
one way to ride the bull run is typically actively and confidently invest in some coins with a higher probability of making a return., at a relatively lower price than bitcoin.
Or else, do not buy and hold bitcoin to sell at your goal, waiting for a correction then buy the dip.

I'm sure many people consider keeping their wealth in Bitcoin and adding to it. I mean why not? It is a scarce asset that is not subject to inflation and it cannot be controlled by governments. If you ask me I'd choose BTC over Gold at any time of the day. Let's not forget that its market cap is extremely low for a hedge-type asset comparing to other precious metals. That indicates massive room for growth.

Not a realistic example. Price swings are not limited to $200 at $40K.

In percentage terms, the daily swings we're seeing now (5-10% daily, 15% today) are much bigger than when we were trading in the $8,000s. In June and July last year, it was typical to have 0-2% daily swings.

So sure, in absolute $ terms you need more price movement at higher prices to achieve the same profits. But we're getting that, and more. It's % price movement that matters.

Anyone who is skilled at trading volatility is making a killing off this market, that's for sure.

Idk you will believe me or not, but i will tell you the truth. Since i know about bitcoin on 2015 (a year before i know about this forum) until now, i never bought single satoshi from my pocket.
Those who doesn't own bitcoin for now must think other way to earn it, either through signature campaign or bounty

I tell you, being in the market is super stressful. These 2 days including today has been even more stressful, as everything seems to be dropping and all market show volatility.

It's a difficult one, and you can't advise others when you, yourself are having difficulties trying to work out when to sell and if you should go back in or not  :-[ :'(

It's really stressful now the price jump down to $34,800. I think I should follow the other's advice just hold and just ignore the current price, though that would be hard but if you are really a Bitcoin supporter and you know that the price will go up to $100,000 I think there's no problem for you to hold it.

I have already lost some money because I bought bitcoin at $39300 two days ago and now it is about $31000!!
But I only hold it for now to see what will happen in the upcoming days. I still have some capital elsewhere but I don't touch it unless bitcoin falls to $10000 and even lower.
I have divided my capital into two different parts. One for buying cheap bitcoin to hold for long term and the other for day trading.

As a day trader, you should be aware to already to this kind of happenings and if you think trading bitcoin will give you more stress then you can use other currency if you like as bitcoin is not that profitable if you have no big capitals for day trading.

And if you are worried about the crashes then you should set your stop loss, meaning you should be ready in every move that you are going to make in order to lessen your stress like for example. Base on your statement, buy at $40k and sell at $40.2k while in other hand you should set your stop loss to $39.8k then reset again your day trade.

Not all exchanges support stop-loss feature.

What altcoins do you think are more profitable than bitcoin for day trading? ETH? LTC?

I have to say I haven't day traded in a long time, so I am not the greatest person to give advice about something like this. However I have traded on another chaotic period as well, during 2017. Now everyone remembers that period as great, because everything went up and everyone made money, however not many people remember what happened before the peak, before alts made ath, before bitcoin was 20k, they do not remember many things.

For example, I remember alts were going up like crazy during spring, I made about 200% return on alts during spring of 2017, many of them started to go down very fast before the bitcoin cash fork, because everyone went back to bitcoin to get the free money, so a lot of us lost money on alts, and when we reached the 20k period? Alts were nearly dead and then came back to break the all time high price. So, I had a chaotic period too.

All I can say about right now is to be calm, if you try to make too much, you are going to lose too much, just be calm and act like you would any other day.

When you buy at $40,000 and sell at $40,200 you make $200 profit. When you buy at $8,000 and sell at $8,200 you still make $200 profit. How is this less profitable? In fact when the price is high, the price rises (or drops) are significantly more. When you see a 1% increase, you will see higher rise when the price is high. But yeah the loss is also more. But you don't make any loss as long as you don't sell!
The stress should be a bit more when the price is high since its risk to do short term trading when the price is high. But those who know the risk are probably less stressed about making a loss.

nowadays for day traders use tight stop loss because there is a lot of pump and dump. So the only stop loss can help you to prevent a huge loss. also don't be greedy, every time try to get profit earlier and don't close all of your position at once. try to spilite them. When you reach your first target, close your 40%+ position, and set up a stop loss at the buy price. also, don't forget to move stop loss from time to time. don't take a lot of trade on the same day. Do your own research and find out the best setup. Never follow anyone blindly, try to get some information whom you follow but don't copy blindly. good luck

So youre basically talking about trailing stop and trailing tp's which are bit technical on noobs on active trades.This isnt something that can really be learned up for those who do just start up to deal with this
market. SL on buying point? if you do gain up like 40% then that would really be a good spot to move rather than on setting -5% - 10% on buying point. Day trading isnt something where newbie
can jump off and basing of on experience this will really be needing some time for you to experience the market before making any active trades.This isnt something that can newbie able to handle it out
in few tries. Full of stress? When dealing with volatility then this would really be a hard one.

If you are really "full of stress",then just don't trade Bitcoin and stick to the altcoins,or don't trade crypto coins at all.
I can't agree with your point,that Bitcoin isn't good for day trading during a bull market.
Your example about buying 40K and buying 8K USD is wrong,because you aren't required to buy one Bitcoin,when you are performing day trading.In scalping,the amount you buy isn't that important,the really important things are the price volatility and finding the right time to sell and buy fast.

Day trading is a serious job because you can make mkre profits as well as get rekt at the sane day itself, if you are worried too much about the price swings then I won't recommend the day trading for you, just go for short term or longer term trading where you can use stop loss to reduce huge loss if it happens.

Yeah, why not I mean as long as the coin is volatile enough to make a profit. Now in the case of Bitcoin, I think you could say that it is the right to do it because the price is moving up and down unlike before where Bitcoin only moving upward. If you are planning to do day trade I will highly suggest using another coin like alts where they really volatile enough perfect for day trade. I think Bitcoin will do but I do much prefer Bitcoin in the long term trade though cause for me it is very effective in that way. Anyway, it still depends on you though.

I don't know what's stressful in Bitcoin's price since December when it passed on $20,000. If you are day trading, and have 2 BTC on your wallet that you bought in $13,000 for example, and trade it when it hits $20,000, you already have a $7,000 in an instant after holding it for 3 years and got back on day trading. So, since we destroyed the support in $20,000, the price of Bitcoin drastically increases day by day until it hits $42,000 if I'm not mistaken, and if you day trade it (Buy Low Sell High) you already have a lot of profits.

So what stress you were trying to talk about? unless you didn't chart your prediction therefore you made a mistake in Day Trading, and now that's stressful indeed.

Best way to get away from stress is to find another hobby that can take your mind off it. If you are married you have nothing to worry about because if you trade and get into stress, just leave it for a while, go to your wife or husband and spend some time with them and eventually they will make you think about something else and that chat will make you forget about trading for a while.

However if you are single there are still some methods, for example if you end up with some sort of gaming habit, you can go play some computer games, or maybe reading? Or most commonly, go to netflix and watch some movies or tv shows and you will definitely feel a lot better. Do not try to remove stress from your life, you can't, the best you can do is get away from whatever gives you stress, enjoy life for a while and then you can go back so you will keep your stress under certain threshold.

Stress is something that cannot occur in trading, because wrong decisions are usually made based on the bad moment, you can do two things,
1.- If you have Bitcoin, do not sell,
2.- If you want to acquire Bitcoin, do it, which will go up in time,

Do not see much news, that money you invested in Bitcoin forget about it, for a while, check, remember that investment is the best option, if you are a trader, you know that you must follow the line of least resistance to obtain profits, you just have to calm down to make the best decision.

It is less profitable if you buy for example $100 worth of bitcoin not a full bitcoin.

If I was married (which fortunately I'm not!), I had much more things to worry about than bitcoin!

The stress that happened to me when a few days ago I bought some bitcoin at $39300 for day trading and it fell to $30500 after that! This is the kind of stress I'm talking about.

I am also one of those who do day trading, but it doesn't matter to me that the Bitcoin price continues to rise. Although the Bitcoin price of
$ 40,000 does not have to buy 1 BTC, we can buy according to our capital. And most importantly when doing day trading you must use
the stop-loss feature, so when the Bitcoin price falls like now the losses we get are not that big. And can buy Bitcoin at a lower price,
and sell it when the Bitcoin price goes up again.

Some exchanges lack stop-loss feature.

As a day trade you already knew that kind of risk. I'm not a day trader and I don't even trade regularly but I enjoy watching successful traders with high risk tolerance.
Sure someone has dared buying Btc at $40,000 because it even reached $42,000 at some point (If I'm not mistaken).
Isn't it day trading is more profitable lately? Because there were huge price swings like $1,000 to $3,000+ Btc gain or loss in just an hour or two.
The only thing that's scary about day trading during the price is high, is when Btc suddenly crash and didn't bounce back.

What time frame do you use for day trading? I think it is just depend on the time frame. If you worried enough to buy bitcoin at the high price than you should try to use low time frame like 15 minutes or minutes, and don't forget to put stop loss area that you can afford to lose. By using a low time frame at least you will always see bitcoin price movement, you will know the sign that the bull run market is end and you can sell bitcoin immediately.

Indeed, the current bitcoin price is really suitable for short term trading. I think most people out there will use bitcoin as a short term trade, they will be afraid about previously bitcoin met a huge crash after increase to $20.000. This situation will always be a shadow for every investor.

This is exactly what this topic is all about and the main reason of my stress!
When the price is low, the chances of downward or backward movement is much lower than when the price is extremely high (near ATH).

Honestly that is not the case for me. You do not have to buy and sell and keep doing that to constantly try to profit even if you do not have money. If you are a great trader, by all means you should do that if you have little amount or even big amount, because if you think you can profit a lot in the long term with constantly trading, why stop doing that? However if you do not have a lot of money, that means you could just put money aside every month constantly to make some profit over long period of time.

For example, all I could afford this month was 50 bucks, with Christmas and new years there was a lot of unaccounted for costs and that is why 50 bucks was best I can do. But if you keep doing that constantly, you are going to make a decent return, I am not even talking about doing that for the past 5 years, because if you put 50 bucks each money for the past 5 years, you could have retired now, but it is still a valid option even today, you just have to wait one or two decades and retire.

If you are a day trader then you actually don't have to trade with your complete capital, just trading with small portion like 10% of it is enough if you can't afford to lose everything and also you shouldn't have to care about the price of one bitcoin while trading just keep focusing on the percentage of profit you can possibly earn with your strategies and capital.