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After taking an inspection of Loyce's most recent DT list (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5139250.msg56108985#msg56108985) for the first time in a year or so, I noticed that we're now up to 441 DT members (it was actually at 486 last month). This seems like a lot, but a significant portion of them are inactive accounts and haven't contributed for years. Others have only ever left 1-2 ratings.

We all have different opinions when it comes to "quality control" issue as its applied to trust ratings, but I was hoping to get some input on whether DTs would include, exclude (or neither) the following accounts, just to get a general opinion of what they think standards should be for DT inclusion.

I'm not accusing anybody of anything or trying to start a fight, just trying to gather opinions.

Would you include the following users in your trust list?

I think these are worth debate, but probably OK:

icon73  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=895302)
pasrical (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1103054)
btcapollo (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1040400)
fyoung55 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1230577)

These don't have a trust list and have left 2 or less ratings:

Iwtym  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1144559)
daraghna (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1131881)

Trust list with 1 inclusion, 1 trust rating:

coinminerdotcom (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1262434)


Again, just looking for opinions, no flames are necessary.

Sure..
At first glance they look like legit raters, even though small..

Thinking this has something to do with buckrodgers.. Maybe self scratching.. ??

Whatever..

Not everything has to do with something not explicitly stated. I've never encountered that user and have no opinion of them one way or the other.

But since you said "sure"... do you think users who have only ever left 1 trust rating are good for DT, everything else being equal? That opens the DT inclusion standard to thousands of members.

I get your point completely, and I think there are probably a lot of members on some level of DT who shouldn't be on it.  Obviously it's not just the trust ratings that they've left but how much positive feedback they've received and/or how many trust list inclusions they have. 

I think if you're on DT you should have some sort of positive reputation on the forum. 

I haven't heard of any of these members (nor have I looked at any of their trust pages) before.  I've been wondering about the wisdom of the new rotating DT system ever since Theymos kicked it off.

This is just what happens when people like bucky who gave trust for old miner sales are on DT, but do not fully understand how the trust system works. :P

Just ~ him if you want to boot them off DT2 eventually, right? ???


Chances are, they don't even have a trust list. Many people just get carried away and don't' update their ratings. I admit I did trust buck up until tonight when I added a ~ .... This is another reason he is on DT, as I didn't add him for inclusion, I added him long ago as I do trust him. ::)

Alternatively, exclude the users directly instead of buckrogers if the rest of their ratings/trust list are fine.

Would probably just be easier to ask buck to remove the users, too.

Well I'm undecided about whether or not its worth doing anything about (by that I mean trust list changes). I think most of the people have been on his trust list for a long, long time, so its not like it was a sudden thing. And the accounts aren't changing much by being on DT as they don't have many ratings.

I just don't think its a good idea to add people who only have a couple of ratings and no trust list... there's nothing to determine whether or not they are actually a good judge of how to use the trust system. I posted this thread to spark discussion as perhaps there's something I haven't considered.

It’s increasing significantly, there are people in dt with no feedback sent, with 1 feedback sent and with a few feedback sent. Moreover, there are dt member who don't even understand what feedback means actually. They are sending wrong feedback but still they made dt2. Either the people include them have an hidden agenda to accomplish or the whole dt system is kind of joke to them which seems true sometimes if people use default trust instead of custom trust list.
This is good in some way. More people will be looking for building their own custom trust list.
Sadly, I have been neg tagged by a guy for no logical reason, that guy made DT this week. I have tried to reach him a few times but he seems don't care at all, the feedback sent by him is 4/5 only and the one to me was wrong feedback of course but still they are on dt.

Hey guys - this post was brought to my attention.

I’m on mobile outside atm so any changes will have to be later tonight.

Just let me know which people are causing the issue and I’ll adjust accordingly - those guys were trusted many years ago most likely from sales done on the forum - before I was on any DT levels.

All good though and happy to help clear anything up. Just post and let me know.

Thanks!

I wish I weren't on DT2..

Other than that, what's the protocol for having users on your trust list who have left significant trust but have since left the forum in one way or another? I have a few in my list but I can't bare myself to remove them (not as big of an issue perhaps since I'm not DT1).

If the trust ratings are still relevant then I don't see any reason to remove them.

Activity or inactivity are irrelevant^* to the validity of the feedback.

Thanks for stopping by -- there's no issue really -- I just wanted to promote discourse on trust system-related issues. I don't want to tell people how to run their trusts lists. The people you've included that I mentioned aren't causing any trouble and I see you added them ages ago. If they were added today I would find them to be un-DT-worthy, personally speaking, but the situation is understandable... I will probably exclude 3 of them, fair warning. Hopefully I've made it clear enough why.


That question occurred to me the other day, about whether inactive members should be DT, and I'd say its ok if their ratings are still accurate.

I like to keep my # inclusions around 50 and rotate people out who have been inactive for a while. I removed ICOEthics after about a year of inactivity and removed TMAN recently.

Not saying other people should do this -- I think relying on the ratings of inactive users is for the most part fine. Sometimes things will change though and their feedback will no longer be accurate... In that case, it might be worth looking at their ratings as a whole to see if they are still worth including.

This is true :)

I removed these users from my list:

Iwtym
daraghna
coinminerdotcom

Thanks!