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If you own the private keys it would be trivial to sign a message with the address you sent from, to the mixer. Of course, it's a privacy concern, but no one else would be able to "prove" they originally owned the coins.

See this thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=990345.0) for details.

I see your point.
Just being extra cautious because the amount is so high. Again, i'm happy to show any images once a mod hops on the thread.
I'm literally in tears over the prospect of not knowing where my 600k is.

I suggest you send PM to:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=2734674

and as your case has some urgency maybe you can also ask for help to @Hhampuz (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=881377)

so that he gets in touch with @MyCryptoMixer

So far @MyCryptoMixer has been very competent in solving any problem.

If it's still a one-man operation as per this post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5291882.msg55657835#msg55657835), then it's possible that there might be something that requires manual intervention on their end (read the subsequent post in that link). You can come up with a variety of reasons for why this might be the case, but conjecture wouldn't help in this situation.

I'd like to wait and see before jumping to any conclusions directly, although the wait time is definitely not something that should be happening regularly.

I tried but since I am a new member it’s not going through. Could you perhaps send this thread to the them? Would appreciate it so much.

Sent. For the record, someone could probably find the exact transaction details from the image you published: with just an address and a transaction amount/time, anyone using the public ledger would most likely be able to pinpoint it within minutes.

You're right. I redacted the information, do you think that's the right thing to do?

Make sure to remove it from the image-hosting service as well.

In the case of any verification, you can do what I said and sign a message. If you sent from some service, there are most likely ways to prove that as well - for the sake of your privacy, I think obfuscating the transaction details is fine. Once they reply, then you could disclose it discreetly via PM.

So you didn't download your LoG? Did you at least save the order id? If so, try to download it now with this url: http://mymixerxtukle6mo.onion/api/order/YOUR-ORDER-ID-HERE/letter

I see several crucial mistakes, and I'm going to point them out because I really don't get why people keep doing this:

Mistakes made

• Depositing before downloading, saving and verifying the Letter of Guarantee
• Sending a large amount of Bitcoin to a relatively small and unknown service
• Sending your entire Bitcoin savings at once to a third party
• Keeping your life savings entirely in Bitcoin

All of this means you literally have no proof whatsoever to backup your claims, while you could and should have had a signed message. But even then, a one-man operation could be very tempted to take such a large (and for many people life-changing) amount of Bitcoin. Selective scamming (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4469056.0) has happened before and will happen again. It's trival to add an "if amount large enough, then don't return it"-setting to the server routines.

I'm following this case to see how it evolves. In a similar (but much smaller) case the mixer said the funds were sent to a different address (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5318977.msg56407102#msg56407102):

I know it was really stupid and hope at least other users can learn from this mistake.
Do you have any advice on how to proceed? I still haven't gotten a hold of anyone from their team.
Any ideas or tips? All help is so greatly appreciated.

There is no "team", just one guy (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5291882.msg55657835#msg55657835). All you can do is wait for him to (wake up and) respond.

Okay, I wait anxiously.
I know this is a trusted mixer and I am so happy to spend hours positing positive reviews on all threads and channels once this matter has been cleared up. Please MCM, please please get back to me as soon as possible.

Writing again because the 24 hour window expires in 4 hours and although I've sent countless emails I haven't head back from MCM
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They haven't been active on their forum account either: last active time (GMT) is February 23, 2021, 02:22:24 PM

FYI this is before you even started your thread.

This is also before I made the transaction.
The 24 hours will be up by the time I hear from him but I am sure he can still track the transaction and process mz mix should he choose to.

Assuming that everything follows normally from your deposit to the desired output addresses, I see no reason why the transaction wouldn't go through if the owner decides to go through with the mixing process. It's not like you have to prove anything for the coins to be mixed properly: you'll still get them at the end of the day.

No need for any verification, really.

Agreed. Naturally worried as it’s been 24 hours as opposed to 32 minutes but I am relaxing and attempting to leave room for things to be corrected. Not sure what could have gone wrong on his end, but whatever it may be I am hopeful that he will fix it once he logs onto this or checks his email?
I’m praying that  I didn’t lose everything. It’s stressful because i liquidated everything I own in order to reap the benefits and join this epic financial revolution aaaaand, yeah. If I lose it I’m fucked lol. That being said, all I can do is wait and learn my lesson through this avid anxiety.
 *fugazi waiting room plays softly*

This sucks, I think if you used the genuine URL you will be OK. My concern is that you sent your BTC to a phishing URL (please say it was the genuine website).

Is your computer/device free of malware? Lots of people get scammed by downloading malware which changes certain characters of the receiving bitcoin address to an address connected to them.

I really wish you the best because it’s a lot of money.

I know :(
Definitely free of malware and 100% used the correct website.
Thank you for your positive wishes.

That's not enough, if you use non onion websites on Tor, many exit nodes try to steal your Bitcoin (https://nusenu.medium.com/how-malicious-tor-relays-are-exploiting-users-in-2020-part-i-1097575c0cac):

That did not happen. The 13 BTC went to the address specified in the genuine website, currently unspent in the blockchain.
I know the site was genuine and the coins went to the correct address. I checked the PGP. Moreover I'm not using TOR, I have my own VPN and I used secure incognito mode of Google Chrome.

FLAG UPDATE

Still haven't heard anything guys. So after 36 hours of waiting for even the faintest response,  I have created a flag. Losing 13 btc is no light-hearted matter.  If you're in my trusted network (as a newbie, I am sure there are only about 2 or 3 of you) please support the flag if you feel inclined to. I guess it could potentially help prevent this situation from happening to anyone else.

Link to flag is here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2734674;page=iflags (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2734674;page=iflags)

Thanks.

I have Opposed the Flag because you have no evidence. I've seen mixers that could use a Letter of Guarantee, but choose not to provide it. That means they don't provide the customer with the means to prove foul play, and that means they're partially to blame for having a scam accusation without evidence.
In this case however, MyCryptoMixer provides all users with a signed Letter of Guarantee. You could (and should) have saved the LoG before making a deposit. Therefore, the lack of evidence is entirely on you, and I'm not comfortable Flagging a user because of that.

I will however leave neutral feedback with this post as Reference.

The website crashed so I was unable to download the LoG and I have proof of sending the transaction through to MCM. But okay.

If they really scamming you, try to contact the organization where they have registered their domain.

LoyceV is simply implying that the sequence you should have followed to ensure security was to download the LoG first, then to deposit.

There are two methods to prove a transaction:

- The Letter of Guarantee. A digitally signed proof of your transaction, which indisputably guarantees the funds sent to the deposit address are going to be transferred to specified destinations, according to the settings. Even if MCM made the mistake and lost the PKs to the deposit address, it would be forced to process the order as per LoG. It is a guarantee and a very powerful tool in user's hands.

- The address belonging to MCM. It is possible for me to confirm whether the address belongs to MCM or not. In the past there were cases when the order was not processed properly and after confirming the deposit address is owned by MCM, as well as the ownership of input address used for the transaction, I was able to return coins safely.

In this case, the address does not belong to MCM, nor the user is able to present valid Letter of Guarantee. They claim the "server crashed" when trying to download LoG, yet they have "verified the PGP" on the "secure incognito mode of google chrome" and still proceeded to send substantial sum of money nonetheless. This is at the very least very strange.

There are several attacks on MCM users I am aware of, it is possible the victim fell for one of them:
- fake websites using MCM look
- tor exit nodes changing deposit addresses and the address in LoG when accessing clearnet address through HTTP
- browser addons changing the deposit address on real website
- compute programs changing the deposit address when in clipboard

It is also possible it is the malicious actor who wants to harm MCM reputation. This concerns me especially since we just had another case when the user claimed the funds were transferred to different address. Very shortly after my explanation on how it is possible to find the outgoing transaction from MCM using the disclosed information and knowing that addresses belong to MCM, they posted the txid without demonstrating any prior technical knowledge required for such blockchain analysis. Perhaps the attacker wanted to double down using the FUD created by TryNinja post, which debunked their first attempt.

I wasn't trying to FUD, though. Maybe someone turned the missunderstanding into FUD, but that wasn't my intention. We weren't aware of the order lifespan increase. :D

Please just reply to my email dude

I know we are going off faith that I sent it through correctly, but I can guarauntee it went through to your server.
I have no reason to act maliciously and I am begging for you to  please respond to my email or send me message here so I can verify the address to which the coins were sent and speak with you directly. What kind of process do you have to verify your addresses and can you please check your logs and website on the 23rd of feb to see if you are able to find the transaction?
Its odd that you say that in this case the address does not match up because I have. not. provided it?

I am happy to email you proof of me sending the 13 Btc I am not acting maliciously and I quite frankly am shocked that you would assume that. I am literally losing my shit over this loss and really just wish to speak to you directly!! Perhaps you can show me a log or something to verify what you are saying

Hey guys I've written an updated thread here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5320190.msg56439700#msg56439700 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5320190.msg56439700#msg56439700)
It's more concise and better detailed. I was really upset when writing my first post and think I may have left out important details.

Dear @Cowboy310, here is the answer to concerns you have expressed in the posts above, including some of the posts which are now deleted or edited. I take my time with response because, besides being quite busy IRL, I can not afford to post messages and later delete them when they do not fit my narrative anymore.

> Please just reply to my email dude

I am assuming you were writing from email address which SHA256 fingerprint is: 4f545b25334cf7f0c9c903788423e31f209e858168e7d04f5ae41fc31650f7dc. I read them prior to posting the reply here. You moved the discussion to the public forum, so I answer here.

> What kind of process do you have to verify your addresses

MCM stores private keys for addresses it operates. This is necessary to make transactions. It is possible to determine the bitcoin address which belongs to private key. Using this knowledge, I can match any address against the database to see whether the address belongs to MCM or not. The private keys and the addresses operated by MCM are not disclosed, as it would compromise their anonymity.

> can you please check your logs and website on the 23rd of feb to see if you are able to find the transaction?

As I said in previous reply, the receiving address of your transaction does not belong to MCM. Bitcoin blockchain is a public ledger, unless there is another transaction you want to ask about, there is nothing more I can do.

> Its odd that you say that in this case the address does not match up because I have. not. provided it?

I based the reply on the bitcoin address you provided in the email, it's SHA256 fingerprint is: 5e5f0a9452e183c7b95ef08fe6ea2b8833bd80e7fc24f4a366c610447b4f8b7f

> I am happy to email you proof of me sending the 13 Btc

As mentioned above, bitcoin blockchain is a public ledger. I have no reasons to doubt you have made the transaction.

> I am not acting maliciously and I quite frankly am shocked that you would assume that

To my best knowledge no orders were facing issues around the time of your transfer. As per previous post, MCM gives the user a very powerful tool in form of Letter of Guarantee. It is indisputable. Earlier in the thread TryNinja sent you a direct link to the LoG of your order. According to the claims you made, the "server crashed" but you "checked the PGP".

> Perhaps you can show me a log or something to verify what you are saying

There is no log. Not only because the logs are not stored or the information were deleted. There is no log because the transaction was never tracked by MCM. MCM tracks only the transactions belonging to its own addresses.

> It's a bit strange to be that you're getting defensive here

I am not getting defensive, but answering a very serious threat to MCM reputation with very sane and down to earth arguments.

> why not just reply directly to my many emails and at least attempt to help me figure this out? I sent an email detailing what happened and find it funny that MCM is only responding in this thread and not to the email address provided on the website.

I will reply to the emails shortly with exactly the same information posted here. The information you provided or offer to provide is only sufficient to determine you made a bitcoin transaction. Had the funds landed in one of MCMs addresses and were not processed for any reason, I would contact you asking for a message signed with sender address describing where the funds should be sent. They have not.

> Has your server processed such a high amount of btc before?

Yes.

> When I processed the payment through MCM the wifi stopped working for a moment

MCM does not have the ability to control your wifi. The rest of the story matches what would have happened if you sent the funds to a malicious website. You should ALWAYS verify the LoG - not only download but also verify against the PGP key. The malicious websites oftentimes give you the LoG with the deposit address changed. Looks the same and is still signed by MCM, but the signature is invalid.

> If someone lost 13 btc through a malware on my site or a cloned version of my site I would respond to their emails at the least.

I will now answer your emails. I am prioritizing responding to the accusation on public forum. Using bitcoin means taking the security and privacy in your own hands. If the funds left your address there is nothing you or a 3rd party can do.

Ok. Can you confirm if this address belongs to MCM?  bc1qaamrxr0s469970e9m9tea4d9ssa7vfd7uq9cqk
It's strange because the fees were accurately distributed to a separate address as well.

Do you (or does anyone) have any ideas how this could have happened -- this could potentially really help other users not face the same issue.

Things to rule out:

Malware (did a malware search)
Cloned site (Was using PureVPN and incognito mode, very cautious of typing in the correct url: mycryptomixer.com)
Tor exit nodes (Was using Google Chrome on the main site, not onion)
Browser add ons/"computer programs" (Have none besides Adblocker and I also have sent multiple transactions within a 2 hour space and this one was the only one affected)

That's easy, don't do this:

You should never trust a malware search for 100%. There's always the possibility of unknown malware.

I'm pretty sure a VPN server can do the same thing Tor exit nodes do (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5319713.msg56431009#msg56431009).

As far as I understand, .onion sites can't be altered the way "normal" sites can be altered by a compromised Tor exit node.

So, you have made or acquired over 1/2 a million USD in BTC and did not follow some basic security rules of using mixers?

You are by your own words when you made your 1st post you were "freaking out" but managed to register on the forum and make a logical coherent post in 10 minutes.
Or did you copy / paste in from a word document? Not saying it can't be done but hell when I thought I screwed up a $1500 deal last weekend it took me way longer then that to calm down and *I* had the money, not the other guy.

You have deleted at least 5 posts, if you are in the middle of a scam accusation you don't change or edit your posts without noting that.

Until you come up with more proof I am with LoyceV in opposing your flag.

-Dave

I confirm the address bc1qaamrxr0s469970e9m9tea4d9ssa7vfd7uq9cqk does NOT belong to MCM.

Some recommendations to avoid situations like this:
- Always make sure you visit either HTTPS or better, Onion address. HTTP is NOT safe, especially when using Tor;
- Compare the PGP key on Tor website with HTTPS. It is very unlikely for both to be compromised;
- Save and verify Letter of Guarantee with the PGP key. It is common practice for fake websites to replace only the deposit address in LoG, making the signature invalid, but keeping the look and feel;

Those 3 steps GUARANTEE you the success. Unlike services which do not offer a LoG for technical or other reasons, MCM is obligated to process all orders.

He sent funds from that address. The receiving address is 38JSoBKFuAYXgvMAKsk8aHYmiMfuFS2AyA

someone can check if it's their address or not. I think it's their address.

How can we be sure if they really scam the OP when they cant provide the letter of guarantee, order ID or the unique code "myCryptoCode" which MCM the second step when mixing coin on their site. Dont you find it strange?

It only MCM representative only or a user who has once used the address to make a deposit during the process of mixing coin on MCM can confirm if the wallet address truly belongs to MCM since they don't use a single address but most of the wallet is always p2sh .

Murat! How do you know this?

Hey I see your point. I freaked out for about 4 hours before finding this forum and writing a post about it. I noticed there were few other accusations and that’s why I wrote here.
I will note not to delete any further posts. I tend to write quickly.
Of course by losing 13 Btc I decided to act as quickly as possible, not ruminate on it without taking some sort of action.

Receiving address - 38JSoBKFuAYXgvMAKsk8aHYmiMfuFS2AyA (https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/38JSoBKFuAYXgvMAKsk8aHYmiMfuFS2AyA)

Sending address - bc1qnvg64fx03na3svl59f2k7m2w9zrcrg9gt9vfp9 (https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/bc1qnvg64fx03na3svl59f2k7m2w9zrcrg9gt9vfp9)

Change address - bc1qaamrxr0s469970e9m9tea4d9ssa7vfd7uq9cqk (https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/bc1qaamrxr0s469970e9m9tea4d9ssa7vfd7uq9cqk)

TxID - 3157a6b04b804eaf927d93ee4e03c4a4e1ff1414840dd12105d1c55cde74a49c (https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/3157a6b04b804eaf927d93ee4e03c4a4e1ff1414840dd12105d1c55cde74a49c)


https://i.imgur.com/ZfT6ytx.png

You said in the other thread that this is your transaction:


Which sends to 38JSoBKFuAYXgvMAKsk8aHYmiMfuFS2AyA and bc1qaamrxr0s469970e9m9tea4d9ssa7vfd7uq9cqk, with the latter being likely your change address, unless MCM uses some weird setup with multiple addresses of different types (I'm not familiar with the site but after a quick look I don't think that's the case). Are you sure bc1qaamrxr0s469970e9m9tea4d9ssa7vfd7uq9cqk is not your own address?

I am quite sure it is my account.
The receiving address is the one that needs identification :/
Does anyone know how to do a OP_return script under the transaction to notify whomever the owner of this wallet address that a mistake was made?
I am unsure how it works.

So this is no longer a scam accusation? Lock the thread. And I'm quite sure that whoever got your 13 BTC is aware of it and throwing good money after bad won't fix it.

1SuggestionCreateBurnAddressDd9g8
1Send546satoshiThereAndToxxxWAVJ9
1TheAddyWith13Bitcoinxxxxxy3AjfNy
Create Burn Address to add a visible message (https://gobittest.appspot.com/ProofOfBurn)

You have sent all your life savings in one transaction to the mixer which is in the business for less then a year?

It has not been solved, no.

You said "a mistake was made". Who made the mistake, you or MCM? That's is a big difference. Everything so far points to you making the mistake. What solution do you expect here?

Hey forum.
I've been following the address that was allocated just for fees on this transaction.

https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/bc1qe0dlr6agcjavkqdcqqrsuryexprwc9nf8xx5dd (https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/bc1qe0dlr6agcjavkqdcqqrsuryexprwc9nf8xx5dd)

If I follow this address ' transactions rabbit hole it takes me to https://mempool.emzy.de/address/1NDyJtNTjmwk5xPNhjgAMu4HDHigtobu1s (https://mempool.emzy.de/address/1NDyJtNTjmwk5xPNhjgAMu4HDHigtobu1s)

this looks very much like a mixer.

Total received   ‎12,596,690.88788836 BTC
Total sent   ‎12,567,241.90581007 BTC
Balance   ‎29,448.98207829 BTC ($1,437,330,962.63)

If anyone is good at the process of tracking down an address via it's transactions (I'm not the best at this, clearly lol) I will be happy to compensate you. I just need to find a user of my crypto mixer that has sent their coins to one of these shell addresses that are linked to my transaction as well
Would really like some help with a blockchain aficionado.
Thanks.

Ps: anyone who wants to tell me that this my scam accusation is unfounded, please just hold back. I would know if I had malware.
I made a mistake but I;m not a complete idiot, I know something is fishy and I know where to look I just don't have the skills to pin this down 100%.

I am pretty sure you are telling the truth. Looks like you have been scammed 100%
Do not listen to some high ranked members here that you do not have proof or any other trashtalk.
They are getting paid to get it silent here and that some sites can continue their scam. LoyceVis a perfect example of corruption.
Corrupt accounts like him should not be listened to.

It's Binance's address. Did you send any funds to Binance? Because those bech32 (starting with bc1q) addresses in the transaction chain look like your change addresses as I said above and you seemed to confirm it... now you're claiming otherwise.

But it could be also scammer's Binance account, don't you think so?

This is confirmed Binance exchange address from 2018.
You can see confirmation on twitter:
https://twitter.com/binance/status/961666467325358081

It can also be found on Bitcoin Abuse website:
https://www.bitcoinabuse.com/reports/1NDyJtNTjmwk5xPNhjgAMu4HDHigtobu1s

And there is no need for you to create new topic again, now in Beginnings and help... ::)

I don't think so because the funds that went to the Binance address originated from the OP's own change address and have nothing to do with MCM, real or fake. The 13 BTC is still sitting here: https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/38JSoBKFuAYXgvMAKsk8aHYmiMfuFS2AyA

Sorry to break it to you buddy but you were investigating your own "change" address. It's not an address for allocation of fees; those go to the miner. Did you send coins to Binance around that time by any chance? If you didn't, you sent them to somebody who did. suchmoon pointed out the address that you need to pay attention to is:

38JSoBKFuAYXgvMAKsk8aHYmiMfuFS2AyA (https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/38JSoBKFuAYXgvMAKsk8aHYmiMfuFS2AyA)

So far the coins are still unmoved. Once they move, you could potentially know a lot more about who has control of them.


Could be. It's a devastating loss. Hopefully you can still get the issue resolved.

I find it strange that MYCRYPTOMIXER avoiding this address. again @MCM could you make it clear that you don't have any connection with this address?

@Cowboy310 you should search on google how Bitcoin transaction works, Wallet address, etc. I see you have no idea what you're doing.

I suggest OP create an address alert for the address with the 13 BTC in it using this blockchain monitoring website (or something similar):

https://www.blockonomics.co/

You can create the address notification here, so when the address sends or receives coins you'll get an email:

https://www.blockonomics.co/blockonomics#/addresswatcher

If anything happens, let us know.

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Also, OP, don't trust newbies or pretty much anybody who PMs you. They will probably tell you about how they can recover your BTC for a fee. Don't listen to them, they are scammers.

They did make it clear:



It doesn't matter though. You have no way of telling if they're lying because the OP didn't produce the letter of guarantee.

Thank you @nudtildah! Done and done.

OP,
I'm wondering, did you perform this TX from a Windows machine?

Throwaway here...

I have mixed feelings on this issue...

Don't particularly feel super bad for OP.. because...

He's accusing MCM of being a SCAMMER, in the title, and multiple posts yet admits to screwing up every step of the process. You don't just fall off your bike, and immediately start accusing the bike manufacturer of creating a flawed bike.

It wouldn't surprise me if Cowboy is some sort of competitor or, a scammer trying to scam MCM or ruin its reputation for unknown reasons.

However...

If MCM has the coins, and is just using his powers that be to say *wink wink* Yeah, but I don't have the coins *cough, cuz you cant provide the LoG and other details*, then MCM is $600k richer, and I feel a little bad for OP.

In this instance, I'm not sure who to believe, but I do want to see where this goes. Does anyone want butter with their popcorn?

I'm beginning to believe OP is
A) Drug Dealer
B) Very Young
C) Not very bright
D) Looking to Dox or Backhack MCM
E) Criminally Involved in Other Activities
F) Using Stolen Bitcoins

If OP's 13 Bitcoin are ever indeed found or recovered, the FBI should be alerted to the criminal activities his Bitcoin has been involved with.

I found several posts he's made elsewhere, which you can judge for yourself...

He's made the admission of dealing drugs on Reddit... and he's looking for a hacker for hire to help with his MCM issue on Raidforums. For which they will receive compensation...

Raid Forums is a website that spreads private information in the intent to harass and attack people. It is a website that encourages doxing.

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The threads and posts he made :

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/lrfbcx/13_btc_scammed_from_mycryptomixer_freaking_out/

https://raidforums.com/Thread-need-help-from-hacker-13-btc-scammed-from-mycryptomixer-com

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I went ahead and saved the forum posts to PDF.

https://docdro.id/XfrSQuM

https://docdro.id/3VIRfCe


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Some other nefarious activities OP likes to engage in are stolen and fake Passports and Drivers Licenses.
His reddit username ayouthfulexurberance in reply to a cropped message within the attached image below.
The question from someone else was about "Obtaining a fake Visa or Passport for Austrailia", to which OP aka Cowboy aka ayouthfulexuberance's reply is "I can easily do it for u"

https://imgur.com/a/NCmWdPG


Anyone want popcorn, with their butter?  ;D

And this absolves MyCryptoMixer how? You're apparently just throwing dirt on this person for no actual reason other than to discredit them. Why would you do that?

The coins still haven't moved. I don't know how Letters of Guarantee work exactly, but I personally would have waited to download that before sending any coins anywhere. Anyway, not much to do one way or the other besides wait to see who actually has the coins (if anyone).

He's accusing MCM of being a SCAMMER, in the title, and multiple forums on the web, and dark web. He's trying to 'hire a hacker' for if nothing more than nefarious reasons to somehow Dox or Hack MCM's website..  Even though in all likelihood he was phished.

The burden of proof lies with the accuser. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. There is no evidence that he submitted it to MCM and MCM says he doesn't have it. OP doesn't have the LoG. You would think for $600k OP would instead contact the authorities, but why hasn't he?

He hasn't even answered the question why he sent $600k all at once in the first place. He admits to screwing up every step of the process, after accusing MCM of being a scammer.

You don't just fall off your bike, and immediately start accusing the bike manufacturer of creating a flawed bike. You better have proof that the bike is faulty... In this case, OP doesn't have any scrapes or bruises, and conveniently the bike is missing so there is no evidence.

MCM has already responded with an appropriate and well-thought-out defense to the accusations. Does that not absolve MCM?  Depends on how you look at it. In this instance character matters. You just need to read this thread to really understand, he was more than likely phished.

Oh, and off-topic, the accuser is likely dealing with stolen Bitcoin or drug money.. but I mean, what does that matter? My cousin died in 2019 from laced Fentanyl he bought online that he thought was Vicodin. So spare me, as I have little pity for those looking to make a quick buck or 600-thousand of em dealing drugs on the dark web.

Sigh. So your cousin died because of their bad choices and somehow it is the OPs fault?

mycryptomixer, you should have posted this from your main account and nobody would have begrudged you that. There is no need for a throwaway account as everyone can see clearly through you. You seem to be justifying the theft of over $600k by repeating this same nonsense on reddit too.

But here is the thing, the OP’s character or alleged shady activities are not the topic of discussion here. Report him to the relevant authorities if you have evidence of him engaging in criminal activities, or create a new topic about it. The deflecting and obfuscation here is pathetic.

That said, you’re the one asking the community to trust you with thousands of dollars in cryptocurrencies. And recently there has been a few scam accusations against you:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5235190.msg55826680#msg5582668ve
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5235190.msg56064593#msg56064593
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5235190.msg56404288#msg56404288

I’ve been following this thread and I was leaning towards the OP making a mistake and getting phished, but after reading this post  I am more than convinced  that you stole the coins.

I don't think OP was phished. If that were the case, the bitcoins would have moved by now. I'm not saying its not the users fault. And I'm not saying its not MyCryptoMixer's fault.


Completely irrelevant to the subject at hand. Its obvious you're trying to obfuscate what happened here by interjecting emotion via unrelated personal matters. It's a weird tactic. It would have been better to say nothing at all.

100% free of malware, did a malware scan. Also I know  for a fact I wasn't phished because after my wifi cut out I refreshed the page and found myself on the secure version of mycryptomixer.com where I was able to find the email address to which mcm has responded to.

the website was genuine.

sorry but i am happy to see he got scammed this way.Why would anyone send 500K of bitcoin to some mixer on internet? lol of course it was not his money at all..Clearly stolen from other people.you got what you deserve buddy

Principle of induction:

Why would anyone send US$1 x N of Bitcoin to some mixer on internet? Increment N: where's your threshold?

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If I have half a million, for example, and I want to spend it... I sure wouldn't want my recipient knowing I have half a million dollars unless the transaction required a majority of the funds.

I have. 100% valid proof of funds for the amount that was scammed.
I earned these  funds legally and can justify this. 
I'm sorry if it rubs you the wrong way that I have this amount of money, but there is absolutely no rhyme or reason for you to believe was stolen. "clearly stolen," how so?
Unfortunately I,  nor my family,  deserves this.

Exactly.  Since the blockchain publicises wallet transaction history, I did not feel comfortable  sending  smaller transactions to people from the same wallet ID that the coins. Everyone I would send coins to would be able to see my "account balance," if they wanted. That is why privacy is key and I was attracted to the idea of a mixer.

I don't understand why you would bump this thread after 8 days just to say that. You're not even wearing a signature so it makes no sense at all.

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Even the non-movement of the coins is interesting to me because (I believe) it means someone is playing the waiting game, perhaps even watching this thread.

I haven't even read this thread,

But from a compliance perspective

You would be flagged for money laundering immediately

Why would a genuine honest person who purchase 13BTC legally, who can provide proof of funds want to mix and hid the trail of BTC? Nobody legal would.

At best you are wanting to avoid tax, but a mixer would not be required for that.

You are a criminal, possibly a darknet vendor, scammer or hacker. A criminal who takes payment in BTC, the wallet address your BTC is held, is flagged as a dodgy address.

You cannot send it to a legitimate exchange as chain analysis will flag your wallet immediately and alert the compliance department.

My guess is the mixer you used also use chain analysis and saw your a dodgy wallet guy linked to crime.

The criminal had his money confiscated, and nothing you can do.

Live by the sword, die by the sword.

Can we get Mr 13BTC sourced from crime wallet address please? I would like to see

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Please provide wallet address, if you are clean I will happily write you a letter that WILL get you your BTC back. If you are unable to post your wallet and TXID, then you are a criminal. Easy come easy go.

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It's posted here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5320990.msg56469493#msg56469493).

Who are you again, and why do you think your letter can undo a Bitcoin transaction?

Great, another newbie with the same shitty take on OP's morals.


You didn't even bother to read the thread or you would have found this information.

OPs morals aren't what's being discussed here.

What's being discussed is what happened to OP's coins.

How exactly are you contributing anything of value to this discussion?

That doesn't show the original BTC address where the 13BTC originated from does it, it just shows the mixed BTC and where it was sent to.

Its not abut undoing a BTC transaction moron, its about holding funds legally or illegally. If the originating wallet is linked to crime, they have every right to hold the funds under AML regulations

Oh, calling Loyce a moron, and we're off to a fantastic start.


For all you know the funds were held by Satoshi Nakamoto.


pre-10 minute edit: What it looks like to me is that somebody wants these coins bad. But what lengths are they willing to go to steal them? Maybe they are already stolen but whoever owns the address is frustrated at the attention they are receiving.

Should I care who Loyce is? Another non complaint privacy advocate who does not adopt AML regulations and apply them to Cryptoassest related businesses? Another person offering services for criminals to launder money? Great one Loyce, I will bow down to you oh holy one, profiting from criminals.

I guess this Mr 13BTC should've washed his 13BTC with, you would have profited from him using your money laundering services, and as you clearly have no systems and controls in place he would have gone undetected with this $600k transaction. You are aware you are a vehicle for money laundering, don't you?

Where is your company registered? Under what regulating body is your country or state regulated by?

Or do you just offer rogue services for criminals?

If I am wrong and darknet vendors, hackers, paedophiles, scammers etc do not use your service. What legitimate person would? And of what reason? Avoid tax at best? Anyone who is avoiding tax does not need a bitcoin mixer.

Just another cog in the wheel of a global crime network, I do not even see your company registration number. So you are no different from those BTC brokers who exchange cash to BTC for criminal gangs taking zero KYC, and complying with any local or international AML guidelines.

Sorry Loyce these noobs who are still stuck in 2014 might look at you as a god on here, but I just see you as a vehicle criminals use to launder money. You are no better than they are, profoting off of their crimes.

Crypto privacy lol, that's horse shit. Anyone who wants privacy has something to hide, and its a public ledger, and with exchanges all becoming compliant, wallets can easily be linked using block chain analysis, score chain etc.

Its people like Mr 13BTC sourced from scams hacking or other crimes need to wash their dirty BTC, so they can put it on an exchange and cash out without trace.

Woah.. If the reasons my funds are being held is because the question of legitimacy, I am happy to provide KYC.
Everyone is going of claiming I am a criminal and my funds are of criminal origin which is just a lovely and convenient assumption.
On another note, my wallet address was never flagged, the address the 13btc were sent to was flagged by me.
If you would like to check transaction ID and see the list of my bitcoin transactions, it will become clear that my funds are not of criminal origin or gained through scamming. I purchased a majority of my coins on Coinify and the rest on OTC exchanges. Are we done attempting to distract  from the obvious issue, which is that I was scammed or are we still going to go on some utterly bogus and random tangent about my source of funds?

Sorry Loyce, maybe that was a bit harsh and I was jumping to conclusions.

You seem like an intelligent guy to have built such a service.

Shame it can never go mainstream due its lack of compliance, and use for crime.

Maybe you should focus your intelligence on something that can be used to better the world, not assist these global scumbag networks who use crypto and murder, steal, scam, hack, sex traffic, molest children, sell drugs etc.

Do you feel good about yourself for offering services to this demographic? You seem to be profiting from this.

Don't give anybody here (or anywhere) your personal information; its totally unnecessary. By this point you might have scammers coming out of the woodwork claiming to be able to do this and that. It's all scams.

What's going on now, I believe, is that the owner of the address you sent the funds to is frustrated that it is receiving this kind of attention.

They have two choices:

- give the funds back to you, or
- move the funds and reveal information about themselves.

I wouldn't be surprised if choice #1 is right out of the question in their minds.

KYC lol, KYC is just knowing who your customer is. Providing ID and doing a basic liveness test will not help you with a transaction of $600k with anyone who is complaint, maybe Mr Loyce chip mixer will happily take $600k without asking.

$600k you will need to prove proof of source of funds, cleary showing the trail money and where its from
$600k you will need to do enhanced due dilligence, background pep and sanction cheks.
Just providing ID wont suffice here.

Looking at mycryptomixer, they seem to also be rogue website offering unregulated services like Mr Loyce chipmixer, no company number, address, country of incorporation etc.
Had these been genuine companies you could go down the legal route, even then i would be difficult.
Unfortunately you gave your money to a website that doesn't even show who the owner is LOL.
Good luck buddy, but I think its safe to say you were scammed.

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Its all scams LOL, ironic seeing as he has already been scammed by a website that has no company information.

Are people that stupid? Might as well give your BTC to one of those Nigerian/Indian investment scam groups on Telegram

I would've given him a letter free of charge, no personal info required. Shame a you have no one to address it too as he sent his money to a website, not a registered company. More money than sense clearly.

Providing the originating wallet address wont do anything, except if the 13BTC was sourced from crime or not.

Looking it at it all, mycryptomixer is non compliant, they wont care about KYC and AML regulations, they just received 13BTC from a person who is likely to be a criminal, does anyone know who owns this website? Or where they are based? Operating office? Registered office? I doubt it.

They have literally no comeback and are untraceable, try check who owns the domain, server and where its based/registered.

Criminals are stupid, as we can see from Mr 13BTC sending money to a website with no company information lol, maybe the website are just as stupid and have such information available.

They may have been waiting for a jackpot like this to exit, or they do it often, and as its used by criminals, they cant exactly go to the police can they.

You say they move the funds? they can just mix it using their own services lol.

At this moment kiss your money goodbye, unless you can get something from domain/hosting/server.
Even then you will need to go to the police and say you wanted to mix and conceal $600k in crypto, be prepared for more than ID verification.
Have the above I mentioned ready



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Just weird that you care so darn hard.

I don't care, a letter of such takes minutes, if you know what country they are registered in and who the regulating body is. I deal with compliance daily, its easy if you the customer is compliant as is the company, IE customers account is frozen by Coinbase.
Unfortunately these "privacy" services (money laundering services) are non compliant and operate as rogue traders essentially, and people who use them...Well you would have to an idiot to think otherwise.

I came across this thread and couldn't resist to pipe in, I just find it so amusing.
A high risk individual, most likely a criminal launders money through a rogue service and gets scammed.
Its like robbing drug dealers, what are they going to do? Unless they know who it was? NOTHING

The law wont be on his side here unfortunately, unless he can provide documentation as to the source of 13BTC, as well as who owns the site and stole his 13BTC.
If he cannot, then he will be reporting himself as well for money laundering.

I love how Crypto is becoming more compliant, and regulating bodies are more accepting.

This situation just reminds me even more why we need to do things properly and lawfully.

I can show a paper trail of the funds and am just attempting to find out the local jurisdiction of MCM before going to the police.
Again, the slander is cute but irrelevant here.

good, well currently you are classed as high risk due to the circumstances and transaction amount. Its not slander, as the police will say the same.
Guilty until you prove your innocence I'm afraid, but with correct documentation, that is easy. Plenty of HNW individuals, just requires some EDD.

I sincerely hope you are genuine and a victim here, I hate scammers, and I hate criminals. I also hate scammers and criminals who use Crypto, and services who help them launder money.

I would love to see you beat this, my only concern is, who is MCM? Who owns it? Who is liable? They do not seem to be a registered company, just operating as an individual. So proving their jurisdiction will be tricky.
Even if you managed to get the individuals responsible details, its still going to be difficult.

One question, why would you send 13BTC to such a place? It make zero sense, except stupidity if you are genuine.

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Well they are already hiding registration info, not a great start. They are offering money laundering services and profiting, so they would want to remain anonymous, let alone if they are scamming as well. 

https://who.is/whois/mycryptomixer.com

Doesn't bring up much, registered through Hong Kong domain privacy company. Try contacting them? Even if they gave the data, chances are it will registered with fake addresses, names etc.

To be honest, I doubt you will find who is responsible unfortunately. Unless you get some techy hack investigator lol

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Kinda hilarious how this sockpuppet account just woke up from the dead and is now attacking the OP.
Who is behind these accounts attacking Cowboy310? I wonder. ???



Got a proof OPs funds are linked to some crime? If not then I suggest you keep shut and not make baseless accusations. MrCryptoMixer is running an unregistered and what looks to be an illegal mixing operation. Since when did these shady mixers start caring about KYC/AML regulations?
Illegal or not, Cowboy310 has full right to get his funds back if they are with MrCryptoMixer.

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At first I was thinking MrCryptoMixer isn't in the wrong here and OP was a victim of some sort of clipboard or DNS hijacking attack, but these attacks from sockpuppet accounts are making me think that maybe there's a possibility that MrCryptoMixer is trying to take advantage of Cowboy310's situation?

Can't say with certainty, and I don't think we will ever get to know what the truth is here.

In any case, Cowboy310, you aren't getting your funds back. Sorry for your loss.

Did you not see the "IF" his wallet is linked, hardly an accusation is it?

Yes MrCryptoMixer is running an illegal operation, and yes Mr 13BTC has every right to get his BTC back. If he goes via the police, they will 100% want to know where that money came from and why he is using such services.

If Mr 13BTC (noticed I used "IF" again) does not have have such documentation then he does not have any right to get his funds back, the police have every right to confiscate funds, and charge both for money laundering and conspiracy for other crimes. But it looks like MrCryptoMixer is untraceable.

At first I also thought MrCryptoMixer wasn't in the wrong, and assumed it was a legitimate service that complies with local and international AML guidelines, but one look at the website clearly says otherwise, and not to be used or trusted. Had they been a legitimate business, they have every right to hold Mr 13BTC funds and ask for EDD, then file a SAR if necessary.

So, MrCryptoMixer is wrong and illegal. That's agreed upon?

Secondly, as I have said, one look at the website clearly shows they are not a safe or trusting place to deposit your funds, especially 13BTC, even at 2016 prices let alone current ATH's.
So any logical person would say, why on earth would someone use such a site if they were not a criminal, especially if the BTC was purchased through legitimate reasons as they claim.
Anyone with that kind of money is generally smarter than that, and would not use such services unless they were up to something, or its just a simple more money than sense situation.
Maybe a scammer encouraged them to use the site?

Unless MrCryptoMixer has suddenly become complaint and following regulations, its clear MrCryptoMixer has done off with Mr 13BTC funds, with no possible comebacks.

Mr 13BTC is still yet to explain why he used such a service, so I am still thinking the obvious

@bitcoinflipper

These are a few quotes from you. I just didn't feel the need to post whole quotes. But here you go.




Yeah. That's hardly any accusation.  ::)

I am out of here. Don't wanna waste any more brain cells here. Your sockpuppetery isn't helping MrCryptoMixer's case here, let me tell you that.

Like I said, I first thought MrCryptoMixer might have been in the right. But after investigative MrCryptoMixer, is clear he is a criminal.

Weare still yet to hear,

MR 13BTC,

WHY DID YOU USE SUCH A SERVICE IF YOU ARE LEGITIMATE?

You might as well just have given it to some Nigerian scammer to invest for you.

This has gotten really weird. Is it worth pointing out, again, that nobody gives a fuck why he used the service? Nor should they?

My guess is you are exasperated over waiting for an excuse to move the funds, so you are inventing this "let's hate the OP for complaining" sideshow to make it seem like you were justified for stealing his bitcoin. Is that about right or what am I missing?

I used a service because I was worried about my privacy. I felt it was high-risk to continue using the same wallet with a large volume of btc for smaller transactions with peers, friends, etc. Looks like what I feared happened anyway.

Seems about right.

It's also possible that this flipnoob is trying to convince us that their "letter" can recover the funds, thus OP should pay some small amount for such a service.

LOL, what privacy exactly? If you have nothing to hide.
Your BTC is safe, presumably you to basic measure to secure your wallet, not sure what you want to be private from TBH.

https://media1.tenor.com/images/b08ee19012ca9d76fa44ef35a487a4bf/tenor.gif

^ That's you.

How is it your business where Cowboy310's funds are originating from?

Privacy is a human right and having to want privacy doesn't mean you have something to hide. Even if they have something to hide, how the fuck is that your business?

This is a scam report. Get your trolling out of here. And if you're MrCryptoMixer, go run your shady business.

LOL, nice one.
Ive already said a letter is useless at this point, and such letter can be obtained for free on many Crypto discussion sites, as long as you have nothing to hide or done anything wrong, and the registered "Company" has a legal department to forward it too. Its not hard to find the legalities of such situation, providing most importantly you are dealing with a company and some scammer in the form or a mixer service.

But he chose to use an illegal or rogue service to an unknown individual, not company. For what ever reason, it was ridiculously stupid, and I would say, brainless, to send that amount in 1 TX to such a place. Although I do feel for your loss Mr 13BTC, I do not pity your stupidity.

Nobody knows who Mr Mixer is, and I doubt you will ever find out unless you pay some hacker slash investigator like I saw you advertising for.
Even then, if you do find out who he is, what are going to do? File a police report, maybe they will catch them, prosecute, recover funds.
But at this moment you have as much chance at recovering you three quarter of a million dollars just as much as a vicimt of a Nigerian romance scam, or indian Tax scam has at recovering theirs.
Virtually zero sorry If I am being harsh, but that is the reality. I work with compliance, fraud etc with Crypto everyday, its not looking good for you.

I am just baffled why you would even send 13BTC, at current price $761,035.60 to a place with no information on ownership. Hence why the accusations came so quick, as only a criminal, or and absolute idiot would do such a thing.

Again sorry for your loss, maybe I am being a little hard, but in my experience what I see everyday, and honest opinion. Your funds are gone.

If you are a criminal, that amount of money must put you quite high up on the criminal ladder. I guess the other option, if you are such a person, would be to find who owns the site and do what a criminal would do lol.

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If its a human right, why would the police or a financial institution not allow him to possess such funds in such a situation without proving its origin?
This privacy excuse is BS, its all darknet users and criminals excuse to have reason to want privacy.

I do not care where his funds came from but if he goes down the legal route, which at this point looks pretty pointless, as he has know one to prosecute, he will be required to provide the origin of funds. I was just making him aware, but he clearly already is aware as he would not have used such a dodgy website.

Anyone with a salt grain of intelligence, evidence of proof of funds and nothing to hide would just dump it on Coinbase, Binance or any other LEGAL REGULATED COMPANY FACED BUSINESS.
Thanks to the progress with Crypto compliance we no longer need to use unregulated services, I am not sure what privacy you are after, but using such a regulated site would only mean giving your data to them, unless you were of course dodgy, and be reported for being dodgy along with funds held, as opposed to funds stolen.
Like the old saying goes "if you don't have anything to hide, you have nothing to worry about"

And moron, I am not Mr Mixer Lol, you dullards are short sighted.

Keep mixing your darknet crime related coins to try and un-taint them, and use your "privacy' excuse to make you feel legitimate.

Crypto is slowly becoming accepted, and if you choose to do it legally like you would with fiat you will be fine.
If you choose the "privacy" option, which is the equivalent of carrying undisclosed cash and lost it, expect the same for undisclosed BTC.
You have choices, face the consequences.

I was trying to be helpful, but clearly my advice is useless here.

So go F yourselves, keep using crypto illegally for your privacy BS reason

Keep subjecting yourselves to such places to launder your money, as you have no where else to go, as every legitimate exchange now uses chain analysis for blockchain transaction monitoring, and ongoing monitoring of its users.
AML for Crypto is actually more aggressive than a high st bank.

Poor criminals, back to fiat you go



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Please provide all of your crypto transaction IDs so that we can make sure you're not a criminal.

If this seems hyperbolic, then I would like to know where the line is drawn. Repeatedly spending a large input for small transactions opens you up to theft, doesn't it? If all you carry are hundred-dollar bills in places where meals cost a few, then what would you do before flashing your entire wallet every time you want to spend money?

If you're going to obfuscate your coin inputs in some manner and not simply use the original inputs for the transaction, then what lies in the middle ground between such a procedure and mixing services?

So, you have no idea what you're talking about. You seem to be quite angry though. Need a hug?

Who is "they" in your narrative?

If you think you can send a letter to an unknown Bitcoin address, how about you send a letter to this guy (https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/address/1DnzNm7QC479kSydvzmgb16X2c5GwRVzs1)? I'd love to read their response!

You can click Report to moderator (http://) on off-topic posts.

have you seen his posts on Reddit?? Dude you are really naive i ll give you that

You work with "with Crypto", whoever the fuck that is, and you have no idea how blockchain works. You should probably have your parents ration your internet access until you're at least 12.


Doesn't make it right to steal from him, if that's what happened here.

Yes I know how blockchain works, I just do not know how these dodgy money laundering mixers for criminals work fortunately. I thought stopped existing years ago when they were outlawed.

I am not involved in the illegal use of Crypto, which takes up a small percentage of legitimate usage of Crpyto.

Not everyone uses Crypto for illegal activities any more, and does not need to use such mixers for what you all call privacy, but we all know its to wash dirty darknet coins tainted in blood, drugs, murder, child molestation, trafficking, funding terrorism and any other nasty activity you can think.

I love transaction monitoring on the blockchain, as it helps force you " I want privacy" mixers into your own little space away from compliant exchanges.
Oh but you use such mixers to then dump your coins on legitimate exchanges to cash out to fiat, because if you dump your coins directly to exchanges you will become one of those "Coinbase froze my account" guys.

I bet you mixers love chain analysis scoring

And anyone who owns such mixing service, how do you feel making money off someone who uses your mixer to wash some coins that came from crime or terrorism?
Oh you probably keep telling yourself, they just want privacy lol.
F'ing imbeciles, enjoy serving your criminals and making money off the back of it. You will get good karma

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You would have to be a complete moron, or just playing dumb and using the "privacy concerns" to think this person is not dodgy.

Ive checked the Redits etc, guy is related to drugs, hacking etc.

No one with 1 legitimately sourced bitcoins would need to use a money laundering service. Anyone who believes other wise needs their head tested.

The guys an idiot anyway, posting on multiple forums of you drug and hacking interests and the possession of 13BTC you tried to money launder, not hard for the FBI to catch you is it.

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Doesn't make it right to steal from him, if that's what happened here.
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Why not?

If this moron stole/hacked/scammed 13BTC, and someone steals from him, tough titty.

If this moron sold drugs or some other related crime to be in possession for 13TC, again tough titty.
If he was on the streets and some bigger criminal taxed him, would you feel sorry for him? And what's he gonna do? Run to the police?

Live by the sword, die by the sword.

Mr Crypto mixer say quarter of a million dollars get sent by some idiot criminal, I say idiot criminal as everything points to him being such.
Mr Crypto mixer thought what's he gonna do? Nothing

Say bye bye to your soon to be 1 million

Mr Crypto mixer, whilst i don't agree with theft, if one criminal stole from another, then lets call it the smarter criminal won

STUPID CRIMINAL IDIOT SENDING QUARTER OF A MILLION DOLLARS TO A DODGY UNKNOWN MONEY LAUNDERING CRYPTO MIXER

YOU SIR ARE AN ABSOLUTE IDIOT

WHAT DO YOU COME HERE EXPECTING? SYMPATHY LOL


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@bitcoinflipper, why are you so agitated and why are you trying so hard to justify MrCryptoMixer's actions? You're all over the place dude.

What's your relation with MrCryptoMixer? Business partners? Or are you MrCryptoMixer? And if so, can't you use your mixer to mix the 13 BTC and be done with it? Or send OP his money back and get yourself some good karma.



I'm going to need to see proof of your "clean" BTC. Please post all the addressees you hold and hashes of all the TXs you ever received.

While you're at it please also post your SSN and a photo of the front and back of your drivers license so that I can verify it's really you.

If you refuse to share your drivers license and SSN I will assume you are a criminal and have something to hide.

Don't have anything to hide? Put your money where your mouth is and post that information publicly here. Let's see if privacy really doesn't matter to you or are you just bullshitting.

Until you do that I will consider you a troll and a hypocrite.

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Does anyone else find it strange that MrCryptoMixer has been MIA since 11th of March and these two shill accounts here are throwing dirt at the OP and trying to justify MrCryptoMixer's actions.

I have never used mixers nor do I care about them. And I don't care what the purpose was behind OP using a mixer. All I know is they got 13BTC stolen from them, and based on what I see here, MrCryptoMixer seems to be the culprit.

In any case, it looks like the address the BTC was sent to is still untouched. Whoever stole it knows what's coming for them if they move it elsewhere.

Quoting for my personal records.

You don't:

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"If". And it's a fallacious argument even without the "if". Outside of good-guy-takes-down-a-bunch-of-bad-guys-and-saves-the-girl movies, stealing from a thief is still stealing. But don't let that distract from your intertubes tough guy act. Let us know how that letter works out for you.

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There is no evidence of that.

Typical paranoid comments from a typical drug taking darknet user, believe me I kind of wish I was in Mr Crypto Mixers situation right now.
Being honest, I may well have done the same. I would of course check the originating wallet and its risk and links to crime, but 3 quarters of a million dollars, that some more than likely criminal idiot just dumped on your lap and expects you to wash it for him. Hard not to lets be honest here.

And I am not the one coming here asking for help with my 3 quarters of a million dollars in BTC am I? So I have no reason to divulge such information, please assume I am a criminal, when I have not come here telling everyone I have a high risk large amount of BTC, and tried to use a money laundering service for "privacy" reasons.
Anyone is going to assume such accusations considering the situation, do you not think?
Only another shady individual who understands Mr 13BTC's possible shady activity and use of needing to use a money laundering service would make other excuses for him.

Plus I am not stupid enough, nor am I a criminal that would need to use such dodgy services.
So I would only share my my ID and POA for KYC, and provide sufficient documentation to suffice the EDD AML regulation information, the "LEGITIMATE" exchange would require, in order to help me legally exchange my BTC to fiat or other coin. I also expect my privacy will be safe, as I have done nothing wrong for that legitimate exchange to want to share my information to a law enforcement agency.

Had the money been sourced from crime, related to a blacklisted/darknet wallet, or I had not been able to provide proof of source of funds, then yes my privacy would be a concern using a legitimate service.
I would expect them to share my information with a law enforcement agency, as well as hold my funds. Still it would be better than Mr Crypto Mixer running off with them.
So this individuals privacy issues are clear as to why he used such a service, is has nothing to do with sending small amounts to people, as I am sure his original wallet was not linked to any name in particular.

What I am confident is, his original wallet with the 13BTC was either on a blacklist, associated with the darknet, or provided a very low score thus showing it to be a high risk wallet.
Maybe Mr Crypto Mixer uses such tools to check wallets, and if he sees a one of the above mention wallets, he works his magic and washes the coin.
Now, if that is the case, then he has just taken something from a criminal, is he by law supposed to give them back? Or is he legally obliged to report the transaction? He is a criminal himself, so its now just a dispute between 2 criminals.
Again this is just assumptions, but its more than likely the case. As opposed to the morons here thinking this individual with 13BTC was completely legal, and he just mistakenly used a money laundering service for his clean bitcoin as he had privacy concerns. Don't play dumb! We all know.

What else do you expect from handing over your money to a shady unknown person?
He basically walked up the street, saw a guy dressed in black with face covered offering money laundering services, handed his money over and walked off. Very intelligent.

And so what if Mr Crypto Mixer is not to be heard of, he's quarter of a million dollars richer now. and if he HODL's he will be a millionaire soon.
He is most likely sailing off in the sunset, or he is masterminding another mixer site to rob more criminals.
I hope he gives money to the poor, then I would see him as a Robin Hood type character and say he's not so bad.

Plus these mixer sites I am sure are pretty hard to set up, and very complex and only a ew people have the knowledge and expertise to operate such a service. So you could expect all mixer stes are probably controlled by a few, and a legitimate (if you call it that) mixer site is possibly linked to this.
They are offering money laundering services, so they are criminals, I would never believe a mixer site owner to be anything else

If the owner of the 13BTC wants to provide his original wallet address, showing his 13BTC is not linked to anything. I will happily apologise and provide any information you require about myself.

But we all know his "privacy" reason wont allow him to.

I do know blockchain works, I just do not know how it works to levels of you mixer guys, as I do not need to wash my filthy bitcoin to evade being traced back to crime.
So its subjective to say to someone "You don't know how blockchain works" if you are referring for it to be used in a way that considered illegal or facilitates money laundering and funding terrorism.
I will say a person who can wash bitcoin must have a very high level of knowledge on blockchain, as well as a criminal behaviour to provide such a vehicle.

Yes one thief stealing from another is still wrong, but in society its a normal occurrence, and what one should expect when doing such activities that law wont protect you from.
Its a bit stupid really to cry and complain that someone stole something from you, that you potentially stole or sourced from other criminal activities isn't it.
Drug dealer gets shot and robbed, it happens. Murderer gets killed in prison, it happens. Do we say "oh my that's tragic"? No, we know its a part of the criminal world. Those who act in such circles will probably feel for another criminal loosing such wealth, people who have no association with crime will probably think the same as me. TOUGH SHIT

lol at anyone who believes this 13 BTC was hard-earned money by cowboy guy  ;D
guys i have a bridge to sell you please send 10 btc to my wallet  ;)

The fuck are you still on about... you were given an address and you said:


What do you think blockchain does then?

BTW the bitcoins in question never even touched the mixer, OP transferred them to that address and that's where they remain.


Well, you seem to be the expert so I'll take your word for it. In your comic book fantasy, what's the appropriate criminal world punishment for a worthless piece of shit illiterate troll? Confiscating all their money and beheading sounds about right?

Receiving address - 38JSoBKFuAYXgvMAKsk8aHYmiMfuFS2AyA

Sending address - bc1qnvg64fx03na3svl59f2k7m2w9zrcrg9gt9vfp9

Change address - bc1qaamrxr0s469970e9m9tea4d9ssa7vfd7uq9cqk

TxID - 3157a6b04b804eaf927d93ee4e03c4a4e1ff1414840dd12105d1c55cde74a49c

All that shows is an address that received 13BTC in total, from a number of addresses:
bc1qnvg64fx03na3svl59f2k7m2w9zrcrg9gt9vfp9
3.36956869 BTC
bc1qrjcr6m2t8hkgda9496hzd7yc454c8n79uk50r3
0.62294878 BTC
bc1quagzl7nd8lalkd749j2cytfp6wj2n7e8dj6qr4
6.92985715 BTC
bc1q42n59rrw0asavum7ljpk854jeh3s827ejpjgj7
2.36230569 BTC

Is that not a mixer sending those bitcoins to the final address that currently holds the BTC? Or are they where the BTC originated without a mixer?

What I wanted to know, and was my original question was, where did Mr 13BTC have his 13BTC originally?
Before sending it to the above BECH32 addresses and ending up on 38JSoBKFuAYXgvMAKsk8aHYmiMfuFS2AyA
Or was the above BECH32 addresses where they originated from and did not go through a mixer?
From my understanding he made one transaction to a mixer, which outputted the 13BTC to the address 38JSoBKFuAYXgvMAKsk8aHYmiMfuFS2AyA
So, what is that original BTC address that Mr 13BTC used before sending his BTC to the mixer or to these BECH32 addresses?

And lets not go on about right and wrong when it comes to crime, the old saying "Crime doesn't pay" springs to mind? Although it certianly paid 3 qs of a m to Mr Crypto Mixer lol.

Stop spamming the thread with baseless personal judgments that are wholly off-topic.

While sounding desperately mad, none of anything you have written has to do with the subject at hand.

Open your own thread about what a horrible meanie OP is and how he deserves a combination of judgment and punishment.

None of what you have to say has anything to do with how OP's coins got where they currently are, or who controls them now. Though something tells me they are currently controlled by a massive piece of shit.

Quote from mycryptomixer

"For example, if you happen to withdraw funds through a Bitcoin exchange platform who knows your identity, the transaction can eventually be traced back to you."

Surely we can see these BTC came from a mixer, and any compliant Cryptoasset Exchange Service Provider will know its came from a mixer and flag the transaction.

I will speak to my Chain Analysis TX monitoring guys, as this is very interesting. And Crypto from mixers should also be flagged, I am concerned of the transaction monitoring used does not pick up on this.

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So let OP post the original address then, the address that held the 13BTC prior to going to the dodgy looking BECH32 addresses.

I would like to run it through transaction monitoring and see score and if it brings anything up, but he wont cause privacy.

So like me and everyone else, we will keep assuming he's a low life scum bag who has accumulated the money from the drugs, terrorism, child abuse, human trafficking, murder and any other crime that relates to criminal who use crypto.

Don't worry, Crypto is becoming more stringent and harder to hide from. Eventually criminals who use crypto will go back to using fiat

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Either utter morons or just playing dumb "Sorry I didn't know officer" c'mon they are smart enough to know how this all works.

Anyone who use a Crypto tumbler is more than likely a criminal, let alone one who tries to tumble 13BTC.

And anyone who offers a tumbling service IS a criminal, fact. They are creating services of facilitating money laundering, and actually makes them worse.

Who tries to tumble 13BTC to some randomer LOL, the people defending this poor idiot are probably the conspirers who create such services and scam people.

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There's this thing called the blockchain that is actually pretty brilliant and it may hold the answer to your questions, you might want to look into it.

Seriously though dude. What the feeble fuck are you going on about, and why?

OP doesn't owe you shit, stupid.

Fuck off.

Read the fucking thread and use a fucking block explorer, Mr. Crypto Fraud Compliance Expert, instead of multiposting like a squirrel on cocaine. OP claims to have sent funds to 38JSoBKFuAYXgvMAKsk8aHYmiMfuFS2AyA. Mixer claims to not have received the funds. This is literally what this thread is about, so get on the topic or get lost, how hard can it be.

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Why don't you ask your "Chain Analysis TX monitoring guys" to follow these steps:
1) Open a block explorer
2) Search for the address that's been posted on this thread a hundred times.
3) Go down the chain and see where those 13 BTC originated from.

Point and click and search shouldn't be too hard for your "chain analysis expert tx guyxxx"

Get the f outta here with your tantrums. Look it up yourself. OP or no one else in this thread owes you any information.

Your scores mean shit. Do you also expect OP to go like "Look mom. I made it in life. This random dude's chain analysis tx monitoring guys gave me a perfect 10/10". Get a life man.

Mundane update:

Have once again reached out to Mycryptomixer via email with a few questions and heard nothing. It has been a week since my last email.

Funds have not left the wallet address I sent the coins to. Seems like someone is waiting for things to die down before moving them -- an unlikely pattern for a phishing scheme.

Time delays increase the difficulty of chain analysis if you're working to obfuscate the tainted inputs from the desired clean outputs - maybe not all phishing attackers, but smart ones would probably treat each case that had a large amount of BTC independently. Besides, it's best to wait for periods of highly-active blockchain volume to use as a smokescreen: current mempool stats show much lower tx counts and fees than some spikes several months ago.

Its surprising how many accounts in this forum trying to defend the mixer website and attacking the guy who lost his coins. .
Some of the accounts created the same day they posted on this post to attack the OP
This makes me think the mixer site is fishy.
And probably the owner of the mixer is the same guy using alts to attack the OP.

Did you ask the same questions as before? This post was pretty clear:

None of this matters to your scam accusation as long as you don't have a signed Letter of Guarantee.

Don't you think the sideshow happening here is pretty entertaining though? Why haven't the coins moved? Why would somebody create/use throwaway accounts to baselessly attack OP's reputation? That was weird AF.

Perhaps it would be better it OP retitled the thread to something more factually accurate. It's technically not possible (as far as I know) to determine the owner of the address at the moment.

That's what I thought too.  Why would some new accounts created at same day attack the OP. Obviously to me it has to do something with the mixer
We talking here about 600000$ but the Admin of the mixer avoiding here like if he deal with 600K transactions 100 times a day so it's like nothing to him.

Why the coins not moved ? I think the pw we tof the address where the coins are is watching this thread so he knew some members gonna trace or at least know what's going on if he moved them.

If the coins moved you can bet they would move to a mixer. Whether it's MCM stealing them, a hacker stealing them, or the OP playing games - in all of these scenarios it the perp must obfuscate them so any tracking would not be successful. Come to think of it, the "OP playing games" scenario probably has the least incentive for the coins to be moved. If someone stole them there is no reason to wait.

The only other scenario that I can think of is that the OP sent coins to an address no one has private keys for. This would also explain why the coins haven't moved. It's not easy to do accidentally though. A simple typo would result in an valid address.

Anything else we can read from this fact?

You're a fucking moron, and this sentence proves it.  It's the authorities responsibility to provide proof the funds were obtained nefariously.  You're lowering the average IQ of the forum, and I feel stupider for reading your trolling bullshit.  Now, please get the fuck out of here.

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What do you mean by this?  You claim you don't have the letter of guarantee, but you have to download it before you can check if for a valid signature.  Did you or did you not check the signature of the letter?

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The only "power" the letter offers is proof that the address belongs to the anonymous service.  It doesn't guarantee that you aren't a scammer.


Quit beating around the bush, nobody cares about the "ownership" of the address.  Maybe it belongs to MCM, or maybe it belongs to you personally.  Stop trying to hide behind the semantics.  The question is a simple one with a "yes" or "no" answer:  Did you or did you not receive a transaction for 13BTC on or around the date and time the OP's txid?


If this were to have happened, how you would you have contacted the user?  Contact information isn't requested by your service.


Wait, what?  That's contradictory.  How could it be signed by your service with an invalid signature?  This sounds like a convenient excuse to deflect the blame.

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This is one of the weirdest scam accusations I've seen here.  Both the OP and MyCryptoMixer seem to contradict themselves, and getting a strait answer from either seems impossible.

I think it just means that there is a signature, possibly lifted from a real LoG but it's not a valid signature for the fake LoG.

Not in all countries. Here (https://www.omroepbrabant.nl/nieuws/3328183/man-heeft-tassen-met-12-miljoen-aan-contant-geld-in-zijn-auto) it's your own responsibility to prove you've obtained for instance cash legally. Crypto is probably treated in the same way.

That makes sense, I'm pretty sure not all users actually verify the LoG (especially since some users don't even bother downloading it).