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Hi everyone.

We are going to launch our crypto project next sunday (noso). It is a completely new crypto currency, with many imporvements for the blockchain technology. I will not leave any link since im not starting this thread to promote the project.

Anyway, there will be 10K of coins (from a market cap of 21.000.000) reserved for developers to pay for many services required to start and promo the project. We just found a web studio that will create a customized web page for 500 Noso. Those 500 Noso are the first to be paid for something, so it could be considered as the first real Noso transaction. But that work could cost 300$ or 2500$, it depends of many factors.

How other coins calculate their value at launch? Im a programmer, not an investor or speculator.

A lot of factors determine the value of the project when it hits the market.
And one of the most important out of them is demand, let's say your project addresses the majority of problems we have today. But without demand, the value of your project will not be high or significant. If you are going to launch something big such as that(new blockchain or whether you are trying to do), before running the mainnet. I suggest you run the testnet first to showcase your project and giving an impression to the people about it.
People will not blindly buy something because you say it is a new technology, but instead, they will do something or rather prove the point that you are proud of about your project.
When they are satisfied with your project, the demand will surely come itself when the mainnet launches.

But if you are rushing it directly as soon as possible, I highly doubt there will be any value created out of it.

first i will read the whitepaper from the new altcoin carefully, because all informations about the project will be there
then i will try to know the team behind the project mate,
because even the project has a good whitepaper but if the team didn't seriously develop the project
i believe the project will have no value even dissapear
but, if the alt bring new technology and features also created by a great and professional team, for sure the project will grow mate and of course investors will get a good profit

Looks like, team will be paid for getting services from any company before launching that project fully. As those tokens don't have any value for now, OP want to know: will there be a value of those coins in future? If that so, than try to figure out what type of products/services will be provided into crypto space by that project and how many private investors are invested into that project. Also try to findout if that project will conduct any IDO or IEO in the upcoming days or it'll be listed on tier-01 exchanges or not. If everything looks great, than it might get a higher value than the initial public sales price.

Partially wrong. We are the development team; what we want calculate is how much we can value each coin to make payments.


That is the way all altcoins evolves AFTER some time; but how determine the first price?


Many testnets were already run, last one reached 22000 blocks.


Could you be more specific with that??

The easy way.

Try to look this how to calculated by Market Cap: https://coinguides.org/market-cap-calculator/ bur is not always a guarantee, just speculation so don't expect too much could be less or more for the price.

Let's say you already ran it, but it was not open to the public which means only your inner circle knew about it.
What I mentioned above is the visibility through it, to create demand you need to show off your project to the public before it officially launches.
Have you ever gone to something like an event when they are showing you their new product before entering the market? that's what I was talking about.
Value comes from demand, and the easiest way to get it is through advertising(showcasing, marketing, etc).

oh, the announcement was done online in many places, including here in bitcointalk. As i said earlier, i do not included links since i was not trying to promote the project in this thread. There were not many people involved on test, but there were a lot of programmers. We always believe that quality will bring users, not promotion or spam. And trust me, 99% of the poeple who wrote us from here were probably people offering promotion services.

As for our understand, price is based on demand. Since can not exists demand before the mainnet is launched, the first step to determine the value of a coin is the number of nodes the mainnet have: every node is someone who believes in the project enough to run a node.

Also, the marketcap is important. If there will be1 trillion coins available, every coin can not have a big value.

So, empirically, we can make a list of variables affecting the value of a cryptocurrency before it is included in any exchange (without a specific order):

1.- Supply: more supply, lower price.
2.- Nodes: More nodes, higher price.
3.- Availability: If all the supply is available at launch, lower price. If the supply growths slowly, higher price.
4.- Exposition: More exposition (web page, media channels, etc), higher price.
5.- Protocol and software: it is new a innovative, higher price. If it is a copy of any other crypto, lower.

You cant determine its price because its value will really be depending on the demand itself or on how the community been trading it off.

Let say that you do have $1 ICO price per coin but doesnt mean that you can presume out that it will be automatically price @1$ each once its launched.It maybe lower or higher than that no one really knows.

If you do try to look the bounty thread which it is almost the case where project owners paying off their own altcoin and making out already some conversion into fiat or usd which is utter bullshit kind of deceiving.

Depending how much will be the initial market cap of the coin. You can have your project value through your own estimation. That's what usually most of the projects do.
Having your own estimation and projected value is always at the beginning of the project's proposal.

Once you release that project out in the market, the price will move depends on the market demand and of course depends on the quality of the project, this is beyond your control now because the public will determine the price trend of this project. There’s a lot of factors to be considered, so its better to improve your project always and make good updates so you can expect at least a good up trend on the price.

That's affected by various things just like the hype, how much people interested in your coin, supply, and demand. So many new coins got the hype and that's why these coins can be stable or very bullish at the time of the launch.
You must create hype for your coin to make people interested to join your ecosystem. This is the most difficult task when you are creating new crypto especially to determine the price.
FOMO = High ROI, No FOMO = Low ROI, or even traded below the initial price



TBH, the nodes didn't give any contribution to the price, did you see how Binance is only having 21 nodes but it was going to the moon? The node should be eliminated from your list. I do agree with the rest

Buddy you need to be literate in crypto market before you are able to gain that skills. It will consume you some resources and effort to gather experience that will serve as your reference for your own market predictions. It is a whole process that needs to follow step by step.

very well-said. we have no idea what will be the perception of the community towards your project. so right now, you can't determine the expected price of your coin. we have to see first your product or service that you are offering, before you ask this kind of question.
you will see the interest of people here once you launch your platform.
remember, before this project, thousands of promising projects were introduced to the community, with novel ideas or overwhelming features. but look at now, how many of these truly survived the market and known to crypto users?

I believe a expected price can be calculated; maybe it is rigth, close or far from the real price the coin will have when arrives to the exchanges, but a expected price can be determined with a deep study of the altcoins markets.

Of course, it will need a study of many factor of all alt coins existing (lets say, top 1000 in coinmarketcap. for example):

- Supply.
- Market cap.
- Age.
- Exposition.
- Software.
- Dev team.

Surely i forgot some important factors, but i believe i explained my idea very well.

I also agree with the hype factor a lot: i remember dogecoin (and many others) had a tremendous hype when it was launched and climbed very very high prices when launched.

well, first of all, this is all about luck, but still we can still do some research on the new altcoin to predict which coin will become huge or flop.

these are some factors that can help to predict :

1. Supplies
2. Dev Team
3. Issues
4. Enter exchange
5. Promotion
6. Software

make sure you have to read the whitepaper of the new altcoins since ICO to predict will this project will become success of not, take a look at the team, more solid then you can don't need to be worry.so right now, you can't determine the expected price of your coin, everything can happening in the future, we can only predict and rely on our luck

For me, the buyer and seller will decide the price of it. If you notice on some exchanges, the newly listed coin may start at a high price and then it will abruptly fall down if no one will buy or no one will sell at a given price. Or the other side, it will start at a cheap price but if the demand is high, and buyers continue to buy then probably the price will increase.

There is this new thing called IBCO (initial bonding curve). I'm not absolutely sure of how it works but apparently you sort of put the token out there and people sort of bid for it at whatever price they want.

And then, the mechanism looks at all the bids people put, and then gives out the supply to people according to the highest bid first etc etc.

From there it tells you average prices people bid for and what price you will be able to get if you bid at the next round and so on and so on.

I don't know if I'm right but as far as I know IBCO doesn't put out token and wait for the people to bid for it. I think it doesn't have even a single token at the beginning, and tokens are only created when buyers are more than sellers. Correct me still if I'm wrong.

IBCO is an improved ICO, solving some main problems of ICO.



By the way, I think other coins initial value actually depends to the team and developers, how much they think their project cost. But still the demand will decide what would be the value of the coin once it enters the global market.

It's hard to expect new altcoins to be pumped very high with the exception of altcoins it have potential what do i know if we want to invest in new altcoins have to be very patient because they must running the roadmap keep hold if you want big profit

A dev team fully implicated is maybe the most important thing. Keep the software and protocol continuosly updated makes any software a lot more valuable. It works for all kind of software.

Actually, it is very difficult to choose and determine a new altcoin that is expected to have good potential in the future, but we can analyze and see from how much sales volume the altcoin has, and the manager of the project manager also greatly influences the growth of an altcoin.  Especially in the field of promotion, the software provided must be qualified to access the parts of the problem that occur later, maybe that's just a few tips from me, hopefully useful,

I am not a programmer like you. so I do not understand exactly how much it costs the owners to promote the project they own. and of course, if your coin gets a good investor, it will certainly be very developed in the future

Many people reffers to the promotion; since we announced our project, we received hundreds of offers to promote it. We have a foundational directive: never pay for promotion. Our promotion must be high quality, support and innovation.

Anway, our project started minning today. We will see.

I think it is not easy, after what I have experienced in this market, I find that new altcoins are contemptuous projects that often develop according to the trend that the market is going on for example: ico, ieo, defi, ... In addition, please pay attention to their marketing process because before the price increases, news often comes a lot, and most importantly, choose a transparent project.

There is no way determining them instead there are only speculative ways ,  and there are no certain ways how to win over market all the time .
Only your instinct is your true friend and no any other experts here , because everyone is acting to their own benefits and not yours.

What does it tell you when a project only follows a trend? That it's not original, that it only wants to hop on the hype bandwagon, and that it won't last long because they will all move on with the next trend.

News is not as important as utility. If it is paid for, don't trust it. When in doubt, it's paid for.

Well, its usefulness is able to do exactly what the current trends are and the issues the market is concerned about. I understand your opinion, but right now the market is following news more than what it can do, a lot of recent new projects are very sketchy but earning a lot of money and also huge profit when listing.

It will depend on the market if the new projects are in a good position to increase their value the market always tries to rise to the top of the competition. In order to determine the expected price of new altcoin one has to try to know the updated information of the market if you can analyze when the market will go in any direction it is possible to estimate the price of altcoin you have to develop by analyzing yourself for your own benefit.

And you can only determine its value once it is already active in the trading market. You will see how the traders will react to the coin and if they can sustain the interest of traders. If the project will only depend on the traders without making progress with their developments, the lifespan will be too short for them. There should be at least one good application in the market, where users can actually use the coin for something.

It really depends on the people behind the project itself whether they value their project as high value or some mediocre ones. Total supply also contribute a lot to the price of a new coins by the new project but isn't absolute.
But most of the time people who creates new coins priced it at price around few cents so it doesn't seem too expensive.

Well, yeah, but if it can only do what the trends are then as I said, it's not original. Like all those phone apps or web apps out there copying what's popular. They'll get users now but what happens when the trends die out? ICOs died, IEOs died, Defi will die.

Doesn't matter how much money they used to earn when they're not anymore, right?:)

It is hard to determine the price for a new altcoin because that depends on the market and the traders. But the project has their price for their coin, so I think that price can increase or decrease following the demand on the market. But the price of the launch for the new altcoin will depend on how much cost the project will run, and that is the team decided to give the price. I don't know how to determine the expected price, but if you are really curious about that, perhaps you can talk to some new projects to get the right answer, although you will get various answers from each developer.

if what you did here is not a form of promotion then what do you call this ? awareness ? i think this was still a promotion because you are telling us something and people that are curious are going to search for this coin even if you dont provide links here .

21 m? that sounds like a btc eh . that gives me a good impression but paying an unlisted token for a creating your site may seem unimpressive to me even if im not the one that creating the site . your coin has similarities to btc but it doesnt mean that its value are going to be high like btc

As a developer, i believe that paying to include the project in a second/third category exchange only to have a place to sell/buy the coin is unnecesary and a really bad idea.
A good project (innovative, high quality and usefull) creates demmand for the coin. When the demmand comnes, the exchanges will include the coin, and of course, they will not pay nothing to do that.
But more important: if the project creator/owner/big holder pays for that, it shows that in many ways he do not believe it is good enough to be included in exchanges without paying. Who paid to include bitcoin in the exchanges? or ethereum?

Exchanges are like bad friends: they do not care coins until it is profitable for them.

There are a lot of thing that is necessary to do like deep readings about the project/token itself, whitepaper, telegram channels, websites, events and announcements, project team plan, article and news, market trend, market performance, stability, usefulness of the project, availability, future and possible customers and many more. But you will acquire those things thru experience and effort to understand the crypto world and market.

I think the formula is from the formula of Marketcap, Marketcap = Circulating Supply x Price. (21,000,000 could be max supply while 10,0000 is deserved fund for dev, so its misinterprated thing).
But since the Price is not available yet, so you cant calculate the marketcap, vice versa.

The only thing to calculate the price is by calculate the cost to get a piece of a coin (through Mining process), then add estimation profit for the miner.
Anything beyond that is  just a speculation.

No one knows what will be the outcome of the project even how detailed the project it is. Basically, many investors trying their best to find a great and good project in order to have a huge possible return in the future. As the time goes by we need to do some risks and hoping it may be demand by many here in crypto currency community.

^ Definitely right, there is no way to determine the price of new altcoin, besides it is always risky if you are just hoping it will increase without proper having research. Because sometimes new altcoins will becomes shitcoin after it will be listed on the exchange or probably the team has abandoned the project. So we really never know what will happen, but there are signs that the project remains good and it will increase the price if the team aggressively continue developing such project and listed into big exchanges. At some point, as an investor, we must know this possible scenario.

I have seen many different methods of launch so I have to say that there are many different ways to actually calculate or determine because in the end there are many different ways it could go. For example during ICO if there are airdrops, that means price will go down first, during defi that means if there is a way to make money with it like LP that means we will see it skyrocket high and then it will drop to make money for longer term, if its ieo there will be trading that will decide the situation and volume.

Basically it depends on the launch and that's why I think it will not be that crazy to think that some will go up, some will go down, some will stay the same for a very long time but the most likely is up or down, I have seen a coin go from 2 dollars to 380 dollars to 14 dollars all within 5 hours of launch just today, so I can say that anything is possible.

I'm not sure if it is true, but I still apply it often to projects that I am involved in. For a new project that needs many elements to create, when they are ready, I will try to find and compare that project with similar interests as previous projects, and from there to determine The capitalization circulating in the market and watching the amount of coins circulating can be approximate to the price, however this is not always true for me.

The marketing and how useful the project like what problem it solves could be a factor in whether there will be investors to buy your token (noso), if it doesn't have a purpose, your token will just be one that will just be swept under the rug.

Releasing a token today that has no extra special properties to it will just be a waste. When platform tokens came out in 2016 such as WAVES and NEO they were very much valued as the future tokens, somehow today only the old investors keep stacking them.

You have to make your projects attractive to many investors, because the price for new altcoins when opening a trade depends on the demand for
these coins. Therefore, many new projects have created bounty campaigns in order to collect as many investors as possible. This can help the coin
price go up when listing on exchanges. My next suggestion is to register any new projects that you make on popular exchanges, so that the demand is
even higher. Because nowadays many large investors will only invest if the project is listed on popular exchanges.

Factors which are really the common thing needed for a project to succeed which is totally on the relevance or usage of the project.It would be just pure shit if a project just rose up without
any reason for it to be adopted or supported specially if its been hyped. Quality and the way they do market out their project is one of the most important things.Determining these factors
first might really help into your analysis towards its possible price but dont anticipate or expect too much because not all would really go as supposed to be even
if you do saw that this one is really a good one but it is still depending to the community for whom to decide on which one will really be supported.

Project quality and marketing programs are really important, as long as the project creates enough noise in the market and gets the attention of major exchanges, combined with the big bosses, the project will certainly be priced relatively high in the market, it is not known how much it will increase but higher than expected price is normal. However, the basic theory in this analysis also cannot compare with the needs of whales, they can confuse investors like us and misidentify prices, so I rarely dare to venture into new projects even when they make huge profits.

Trust me, when you've spent years in the space, then you realize sometimes quality of the project has very little to do with price. Take a look at memecoins like DOGE which had no development for over 2 years or TENDIES which was a total "defi doge".

No quality or development to speak off and still the market was hungry for them.

yes, its about trust from the investors to the project especially the team
wich mean, the team should do the best for their project, and always improve their project to the latest trends in crypto industry
i believe sooner or later the price will spike up
regards

Marketing could be used for shady stuff as well, that is why you have to be very careful about what you are getting into. For the defi world, I can say that getting audited is very important, especially when Certik audits a place they rarely run away, who would build something that would pass an audit and makes them insane amount of profit? Plus, it is decentralized so the money they could run away with would become very small compared to what they could make if they wait.

Moreover, we are dealing with something that is not definite, we do not have exact data to locate how much it should worth, we do not have anything that would be like "if x happens then price is y" type of deal, so there is nothing we can do to actually calculate it. In fact there is nothing that calculates bitcoin price future neither, we do not know what will happen with any of them.

in the whitepapper I always try to see the background of the team. whether a team member has ever been a scamer or not. because if the team has been proven to be a scammer on the project, of course the token price will remain low even though it is supported by even a large exchange. So I think it is a virtue of examining the entirety of the project and the team members.

How could be a open source, not premined project a scam?

The network hashrate minds something for the value? I mind, higher hashrate = more difficult to mine the coin, so it should be an indicator.

There is nothing wrong with putting a small bit of money into something that you suspect could go up, I personally do not put that much money into new altcoins because even if they look good, others may not believe the same thing you do. You have to realize first days of a coin is not the real value of the coin, it is what people value it for being new and they make crazy moves, after a week you will see the real price of the coin for sure but first 2 days is very crazy.

If everyone agrees that it is a great coin there will be a lot of buys and it will skyrocket but it will go to a price that is so high that people will end up not even believing the price should be that high and even if they like it they will still sell to buy later from lower. If they think it is a bad project they will sell their airdrops and price of a coin will keep dropping the worse it gets.

Knowing new Altcoin is best to do, but the question is how to determine the expected price of new altcoin. We all know the fact how crypto market moves, its value is not stable. I guess best to do is monitor such coin and know its background. How and when that altcoin created, who are the people behind it, what's it's function how it works and it's goal or target. Knowing those things is a great help in determining the value in the future.

Based on experiences, The way i determine the expected price for a new altcoins are :

1. Read the whitepaper of the Coin
2. Check on the coin's team and developer
3. Make sure to check when will the coin will be release and in what exchange
4. Read the goals of the coin's project and who they will be cooperate with
5. If they have a solid team and goals, then that new coin will be huge in the future.

Except, if you look at most of the new coins right now being listed, especially on Defi (just go and use sushiswap for example and see yourself).

1. No whitepaper.
2. no team and dev or maybe anon.
3. IDOs no exchange listing.
4. No info
5. No info.

Yet people still pour money and farm them all. And they go up and up in price for no apparent reason other than to gain more sushi and more cake or whatever.

IMO, Defi is toxic to the crypto ecosystem!!! Just looking at all the points raised this is a red flag when trying to invest in a crypto without them!
But AFAIK currently we kind of excited with bitcoin and all other alts smashing new all time highs and all, we too busy to check for all these basic characteristics of a good coin which is why I can never invest in a project without some of these characteristics because if I  were to put it in simple terms such projects are just after our money with no real problems to solve...just my 2cents.

When most do not do it, that is not a problem because now that is the common thing. There is whitepaper in almost all the things I have invested into, it just turned to "documents" because you can find all the things you need in those, not like many were reading it anyway but made it into simpler so that people can understand it simpler.

Team exists, not like coins were created out of nothing, they just do not share who they are but like I said if many projects hide it, why would that be a problem. I think new projects that are actually good could cause a big problem for centralized ones, I just think it also has a lot of people who are there to rug pull and that is the problem, finding which one is rug pull and which one is serious. I do not think that we can separate the two when the job is done amazingly, sometimes scammers just work so hard to scam people so you get fooled as well.

Success cant really be determined wether the project is centralized or decentralized but we know on what are the things been preferred for those people who are engaged on crypto
which should be on that decentralized way of things and that you can really make out some presumptions for you to choose one.Expecting something on a project
isnt really that much of a suggested thing for you to think off because not all seems good would totally get some value and basing on the number of
coins in the market then determining which one is good is already a hard job, how much more on predicting prices?Its impossible.

These are crazy times and it sure does anything is possible in this market situation and which coin you are talking about which went from a couple of dollars too $380 and then back to $14 in the past few days. I am not following the entire market especially the new market which i always view as very high risk because i have seen many scam projects and you never want to burn your hands.

but for supply I see a lot of tokens with big supply but if supported by big exchanges they will be able to get good volume. Maybe the listing exchange could be a major factor for future token prices

Honestly, the total supply means nothing if there would be a lot of demand. The big exchange site has a very big community and this community was also coming from all of countries around the world.
As long as the coin can get the hype even a coin like ripple with so many supply can reach a few dollars as its ATH.
FOMO is real