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http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/chart.png?width=740&m=mtgoxUSD&k=&r=90&i=&c=1&v=0&cv=0&ps=0&l=0&p=0&t=S&b=&a1=SMA&m1=30

Price is going to go DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWN soon.
or it's a real reversal?

edit: REAL REVERSAL GUYS BUY BUY BUY

Let's wait a few more days before declaring the decline as being over.  We have seen rapid price increases before that didn't last more than a few days before being attacked by sellers.  Right now the price is volatile with thousands of bitcoins being traded every minute.  Very interesting activity, and very profitable.  I'm hoping it goes higher and keeps up its volatility.

Someone transfered 466,000btc a few minutes ago too.  Probably an exchange moving bitcoins, but such activity is still not the norm.

My good sir,

I beg to differ. That is clearly Edward50's favorite chart ;)

Yeah, Nagle's would go straight down...to helllll!!!

Oh, poor Mr N.  I have seen at least one sensible post from him (mind you, only one).  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=52376.20

Keep in mind there was a short squeeze, so take that with a grain of salt.

It wasn't his usual "we're all going to die" type of message, that's why it stood out.

I'm partial to his post where he admitted I was right and apologized, and even modified his conclusion based on the revised data.

There's at least a shred of reasonableness in him.

In b4 tomorrow it is at 1$...

Willing to bet some coins on that?

Nagle just called me and said that it will be -1.5 $ tomorrow.

So, who do I pay to take these damn coins from me?  :D

Look at the chart. Today we are completely above the vaunted Brown Line of Resistance so far.

Ill take them off you for free  :P

Luckily, it doesn't look to be the case!  ;)

Revised Nagle™ Chart

http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/chart.png?width=940&m=mtgoxUSD&SubmitButton=Draw&r=150&i=&c=0&s=&e=&Prev=&Next=&t=S&b=&a1=EMA&m1=90&a2=EMA&m2=45&x=0&i1=&i2=&i3=&i4=&v=0&cv=1&ps=0&l=0&p=0&

We broke through the short term accelerating downtrend and are about to challenge the overall downtrend. It's a 45 period exponential, added a 90 version to indicate possible market reversal.

When you post in non-blue font does that mean you are joking?

jk

It's only a Nagle chart if it's completely bearish ;)

http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/chart.png?width=940&m=mtgoxUSD&SubmitButton=Draw&r=120&i=&c=0&s=&e=&Prev=&Next=&t=S&b=E&a1=TMA&m1=80&a2=&m2=25&x=0&i1=&i2=&i3=&i4=&v=1&cv=0&ps=0&l=1&p=0&
Mt. Gox, last 4 months. Again a gradual slow slide.
As usual, we have a gradual slow slide, characteristic of a classic bubble. We are now in the endgame. It is not clear how it will play out, but as I have been saying new lows will be set, and each week's highs will again fail to meet the last week's.

As I've been saying, if you aren't out yet, get out now. These exchanges will soon turn out scams as the value continues to drop. Bitcoin is too subordinate to ever meet its original purpose.

This hasn't been true for over a month now.

People do realize that the term bubble is just a hypothesis, right? I mean, we're not talking about terms in physics. It's a hypothesis based on observation of human behavior. Bubbles and waves form due to (mostly) predictable factors. I think it's safe to say that technology developments will lead to usefulness and growth in value of bitcoin. That really can't be said about gold and silver. So why the speculation on Bitcoin, when it is a sure thing? Isn't it better to spend time, money, and effort developing the technology? The bubbles and waves are simply not going to be the same in Bitcoin as in other speculative investments that only have scarcity going for them.

Bitcoin is a brand of a particular technology.
Do the 'Math'...

Correct. What's your point?

Bitcoin will have sentimental value down the road, but it will not reach critical mass. Just like Sinclair, Commodore, Amiga, MSX... etc

Those examples were not insignificant, but I still don't follow. Do you not see the practical and unique value in Bitcoin? Or are you saying that entropy will someday make everything just a waste of time?

From his examples I'm guessing he means it's cool and useful, but likely won't see widespread adoption.  I know most here would like to see countries using it and the banks burn, but it's probably not gonna happen.  Most people are fine with the status quo, and hate change/things they don't understand. 
  

I get the impression we are intended to deduce that even if iCoin, gCoin, PepsiCoin and so on are created identical to Bitcoin in all things other than who signed their genesis block and when, they will take off better than Bitcoin if only because they are more-famous brands than the bitcoin brand.

-MarkM-

Yes any major player who is going to adopt it is likely to make their own.  With "minor" changes of course. 

Yet people still drink Coke even if it fails the taste test.

I don't think there will be a bunch of different blockchain based currencies in the long road, mid term, yes there could be successful derivatives but that's not something I think will be something sustainable.

I see bitcoin a pioneer project, and after enough derivatives offer significant improvements a standardization will merge the impovements back together creating something which can eventually become the new system.
Most of these issues are yet to become apparent but some of them have already been formulated.

Going into them would derail the discussion.

I see a number of possibilities for the future, but the most likely scenario is that Bitcoin is here to stay. It makes no sense for any big player to make their own decentralized currency and then market it over Bitcoin, because there is nothing to gain. And if there is something to gain, then there is something wrong, and it won't work. What we will see is competing cryptocurrencies, this is already happening. But the thing is, Bitcoin is 100 times bigger than the next biggest fork and I see this gap getting bigger next year, not smaller.

Unless the alternatives can come up with something that really makes Bitcoin useless, I can see no way that they can overtake Bitcoin from a marketing perspective. I don't believe any claims that Bitcoin has fundamental flaws, it doesn't. From a security perspective, the network will get ever more secure the bigger Bitcoin gets and it's already very secure.

As far as scaling the system for widespread use, no problem there either. Problems related to large blockchain and bandwidth/cpu requirements are a non-issue. That's already been solved with clients that have a server protocol for handling the transactions. The private key is stored with the client to have the same security features as a regular client but it has none of the bandwidth/cpu requirements of a regular client. On top of this, the developers of the official client have stated that this issue is one of their priorities.

I am a bit concerned that so many are still happy to mine in super massive pools such as Deepbit, the ddos attacks should have taught us something. This is a security concern for the network as long as the mining is as centralized as it is. Everyone should think about this and consider changing to one of the smaller pools so we have less centralization.

I wake up and see nobody has detected an inch of sarcasm :/. I hate to frame people, but this is what I meant...

Wonder what Nagle's thinking, now that his nice bearish brown line is going up  ::)

What he's thinking is "I am right, it will eventually crash again, and I can post a /I told you so/ later".