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I'm regularly seeing in the Services section signature campaigns excluding the Beginners & Help section from the accepted sections, without any explanations.
Does anyone know why this section is excluded from certain signature campaigns?

The best to do is to ask about this from campaign managers that exclude 'beginners and help' from signature campaign posts to posts that will count. I have noticed some campaign managers, some accepted it while some did not. Beginners and help in my opinion is significant in campaigns but the reason I think is that campaign manager may think beginners and help is full of shitposts, if proper look is taken into it, it will be seen otherwise, that is why some campaign managers just still do include it often.

Signature campaigns are managed by campaign managers who place restrictions on some boards due to the nature of the signature they are trying to promote.
For example, Chipmixer signature campaign is a bitcoin mixer, so they don't pay for posts on altcoins boards.

The campaign manager is the only one who will answer this question, but I think the main reason is that there is no manager for that section, which makes it full of spam.

This is not true. Beginners & Help board is not full of spam. It is one of the best boards imo.

Beginners & Help is a board where you can discuss privacy, security, wallets, technical discussions and even some altcoin discussion. It is a very good board, and certainly a great stop for newcomers.

I don't understand why some campaigns do not count posts there.... But yeah, probably not their target like ETFBitcoin said. I think it is sometimes the owner of the service doesn't want to promote among newbies.

Professionally, these may be the reasons.

But, I have not seen solid reasons than campaign manager boards of interest. I notice a campaign manager that do not allow posting in beginners and help for every of his campaign he is managing, and I have seen a campaign manager that always allow posting there. Even politics and society seemed like that, while I noticed a campaign manager that still allow posting in politics and society in every of the campaign he is managing. If we leave politics and society aside, I think beginners and help should count, but some campaign managers sees it as shitposting board.

I think this is more of the campaign managers work to choose by himself the boards he will count valid while I have noticed the ones that just do not like beginners and help.

I noticed signature campaigns for this, I may be totally wrong for altcoin bounties, but in that case, the reasons above may be the valid.

Campaign managers may feel that those excluded boards are not falling under the category of service they are promoting or for his own choice not to choose such boards.B&H section is one of the place where actual discussions are going but those sections may not be visited by many people so less exposure and wastage of the weekly budget.

It is the decision of the project owners to select or remove specific sections from being posted in for the campaign.

However this should not stop you from posting in a section or a thread that piques your interest. Just that it would not count for the weekly/daily quota for the campaign. Dont let your campaign dictate your posting habits. Freely post in sections that you wish.

Since you are the participant, you have to follow the requirements set by the owners. Otherwise nobody is forcing you to join the campaign. ;)

Simply because targeted people. Chipmixers don't pay for posts in altcoin discussion because their service has nothing to do with altcoin. So, promoting Chipmixer there would gain them nothing. And for the same reason I think some campaign don't pay for post in Beginners & Help board.

Just like you see some campaigns exclude Local Boards, Politics and Society, Lending etc. I think it's more about the target audience rather than then being "spam boards" because there are boards with far much spam than some of those I have listed.

For example lending board is mostly for people interested in lending and borrowing. So I don't think a gambling platform or casino would get any audience from there.

So it should be like that, there is no need to stop posting anywhere that won't count. Basically we post to provide education and solutions if you have, and now I think the Beginner & Help section has been received a lot in several campaigns and if I'm not mistaken it's just Zwei's manager that won't count posts in the Beginner & Help section.
But still if there are many beginners who need help about those who don't know, then we need to answer them if needed.

The Beginners & Help section is actually a good section to read some information for newbies after some cleanups. Even I don't know what are the reasons of campaigns to not include those in their post counts. Perhaps it's something to do with the market that they are trying to target, though I still believe that services and platforms can get a good audience and patrons from those boards. Anyway, it's not up to me to decide their criteria on these things. I guess the general consensus between the managers that are not including the said section is that it's a place for spams from newbies who do not know a thing or two about bitcoin.

To put it simple, beginner & help section doesn't increase the popularity of a site we advertised. That section isn't seen as much as other section too, and it's only full of newbie's question like, how to join on this forum, what's signature campaign, how to rank up, what's merit, etc etc , which doesn't add any value to a site we advertised.

Mostly Meta,Reputations,WO,Ivory & Off-topic boards are excluded boards for most signature campaigns that do run up today or in future would having the same rules.There are boards

which doesnt show off signature which means it is just understandable that companies wont really be paying up some bucks on a place where advertiser's signature cant be seen. On what for?

For beginners help then we dont know whats the actual reason.Only the manager and those company do knows on why they are excluding it but to presume that the traffic or visitors
on beginners board arent really the right traffic that they are looking for.

It's all about their "target audience" where they specifically target certain people in the forum which they think will more likely use their product or service. For example gambling related signature campaigns will mostly likely have rewards and bonuses if you have posted in the gambling section of the forum or they will have some kind of minimum post requirement for that section. For beginners and help section as well as off-topic section you will see that majority of the campaign will exclude the post created in this section probably because most of the members here are new and or topics here aren't related to cryptocurrencies which can interpret to them that these members aren't potential customers/client for them.

I tend to agree with all comments above, this all about the "target audience" and the manager who managed the signature campaign which only knows which board the project will gain interest and to have possible investors or users.  If that campaign related to gambling, of course, they will focus or give prior to the gambling section.

IMO, this rule was on the manager's policy/rules and might be agreed upon by the project owner.  I had checked all threads managed by different campaign managers and it seems they had different rules even though it is the same gambling project signature campaign.  Probably it is good if we hear a response regarding this to them and why some of them they excluded Beginners & Help section for most of their campaign being managed.

Or else, as participants we should respect their decision and we're free not to join if that section being excluded is our habit to post.

I think it's not really a regular policy among signature campaigns in the services section. Perhaps you're just a little generalizing because Stake, your current campaign, does not count posts under Beginners & Help.

I took a quick search on the policies of the current, some of them oldest but still running, signature campaigns and they're not really excluding posts made on Beginners & Help.

• BestChange: B&H posts accepted
• Playbetr: B&H posts accepted
• FreeBitco.in: B&H posts accepted
• Betcoin.ag: B&H posts accepted
• MyCryptoMixer.com: B&H posts accepted
• Bitvest: B&H posts accepted
• ChipMixer: B&H posts accepted
• Bustadice: B&H posts not accepted
• 777Coin: B&H posts accepted
• Roobet.com: B&H posts accepted
• SmartCredit.io: B&H posts accepted

That's 10:1.

The recently-closed YOLOdice also accepted B&H posts.

I think its depends on the discretion of the manager who manage that signature campaign, or maybe its depends on the decision of the project owner on what specific section in the forum must be excluded in that signature campaign.

The example of this is when a project is gambling related all participants must post in the gambling section. That's what I think.

But newbies could be a good clients because they are curious about things that are advertised and most users that frequent the Beginners & Help is older members but that is my experience so I don't know if it is true. I mean what could go wrong if we ask them about it, it's not like you are violating the campaign rules or anything.

I had this question myself some time ago. It depends on every campaign manager. It's also about certain company and where is their target audience.
As I noticed, in campaigns managed by @Hhampuz, posts in Beginners and help are accepted. While @yahoo62278 don't accept posts there. As said, it's up to every campaign manager to decide. If they don't see target audience in certain board, it's normal that they don't pay for posts there. Same like when Bitcoin mixer don't pay for posts in altcoin board, it's just waste of money for advertiser.


Agree about this. Maybe name of this board sounds that there is just some basic questions by newbies are asked, but there is plenty of more sophisticated discussions.

I find a lot of very useful posts in Beginners & Help and as such I'd never not count posts made there, as long as they fit the other criteria. There's also a lot of newbies there and as such you open yourself up to a block of members who might not otherwise see your signatures as they don't browse the other "scary" sections (until they feel more at home here at bitcointalk).

I doubt the reason is for the spam, or at least it shouldn't be a valid one.

B&H is an okay section, I occasionally browse that section and answer questions which I'm interested in or if they're asking for help about something. The real spammer's cesspool is actually Bitcoin Discussion.

No seriously, go look up a thread with at least 2 pages. You'll realize certain contents being paraphrased over and over again, worse still, some of them are outright incorrect. Unfortunately, you can't really ban Bitcoin Discussion from your signature campaign, the spam would just move elsewhere and that is where the Bitcoiners are always gathered. I do get some meaningful discussion from time to time but it's quite rare.

Agree on this one!

But there are still some meaningful threads specially newer ones which are really worth to look or respond on Bitcoin discussion board.

On the question on why beginners help is excluded into signature campaign valid boards is on where i do think that majority of only people
who would go to that board is only noobs.

So when it comes to marketing effeciency or effectiveness then they would definitely come after into those boards on where lots had
been lurking out.

Not all campaigns are excluding it, project developers are launching a campaign to target a group of investors and they think that beginners and help section topics will not give them the desire results that they want, they think that investors are more active in the speculation, announcement and altcoin section, just like the gambling campaign, they require posters to post in the gambling sections.

Myth.

Sure, thread starters are usually newbies but most helpers who tends to these are certainly not someone we can call 'noob'. Let's also not forget that one help thread would get more than one response.

IMO, ppl who just started tends to be more open on trying things cause they're at the peak of exploring stage, so unless we're talking about spam bot powered accounts, beginner or not is irrelevant.

I believe the nature of campaign will determine whether posts in beginners and help will be important as a source of ads to them. Majority of campaigns accept posts from beginners and help but sometimes the campaign manager might decide to ignore posts from it, with the mindset of seen posts from it as shitposts and full of unusual questions which is not so sometimes. Also if the campaign does not pertain to the thread, he might decides to ignore posts from it.