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Title: Pi crypto (legit?) Or a hoax?
Post by: tommelom93 on March 18, 2021, 05:37:49 AM
Hi, ive downloaded something called pi which is supposed to be a cryptocurrency that is supposed to be much easier to mine. But i dont really know what to make of it, on one side it is extremely easy just download the app (need an invititation code from a user) then you just start mining and you just tap into the app once a day to keep mining. And it has started to become extremely popular with i think over 15million users. Its free and without ads. On the other hand it does not have any value at the moment. Im not really sure about the technalities about it just they will be on the market with value in stage 3 whatever that is. They did keep their promise with the first stage but i dont know. Anyways does anyone smarter than me have some more insight in this? If you wanna check out for yourself you can use my invititation link if you want.  tommelom93


Title: Re: Pi crypto (legit?) Or a hoax?
Post by: Mpamaegbu on March 18, 2021, 06:32:46 AM
Well, the truth is that new stuff are always greeted with suspicion and skepticism. However, the pattern of this Pi mining phone app is reminiscent to me of faucets which were very popular around 2017 and earlier. The issue with faucets is that you can never be sure if the faucet site will allow you withdraw your earned crypto on the site once you meet the set withdrawal level. Most times, they don't. And all that would amount to efforts in vain. This is what I for see will happen with phone mining apps. Pi may come up tomorrow to tell users that it was just doing a beta test of its site. What would be the fate of users then?


Title: Re: Pi crypto (legit?) Or a hoax?
Post by: Strongkored on March 18, 2021, 07:06:26 AM
There is already a thread that talks about PI, and you will find answers to your questions here : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5237735.0
I have also downloaded it but ended up deleting it because of the many oddities in this project.


Title: Re: Pi crypto (legit?) Or a hoax?
Post by: batang_bitcoin on March 18, 2021, 08:27:17 AM
It's been a long time since this mobile mining browser app and project has been introduced to the community. Even until now, as you've said, there's no value.
I cannot conclude yet if this is a serious project because they have existed already for a long time and showing its value is still questionable. Well, it's all your time and you can do whatever you want with that but to me, I won't waste my phone's energy and time for it.


Title: Re: Pi crypto (legit?) Or a hoax?
Post by: Teraboy on March 18, 2021, 09:09:58 AM
You meant about this, right? https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/pi-network/

As far as i know PI is a crap coin and that's a bad coin. So many Pi shillers were only spreading the fake news to get more and more victim. Be careful with scam coin like Pi


Title: Re: Pi crypto (legit?) Or a hoax?
Post by: aioc on March 18, 2021, 11:47:02 AM
There is already a thread that talks about PI, and you will find answers to your questions here : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5237735.0
I have also downloaded it but ended up deleting it because of the many oddities in this project.

This is the fifth thread about Pi Network that I commented but I never get tired of reminding people that this is a hoax project that is meant to sell your personal info and to make money from your participation, why they are not sharing their profit from those ads to their members, they are making millions out of those ads displayed, in exchange for a coin that will only worth a few dollars for mining thousands of their useless coin.


Title: Re: Pi crypto (legit?) Or a hoax?
Post by: Fivestar4everMVP on March 18, 2021, 12:17:12 PM
Well, the truth is that new stuff are always greeted with suspicion and skepticism. However, the pattern of this Pi mining phone app is reminiscent to me of faucets which were very popular around 2017 and earlier. The issue with faucets is that you can never be sure if the faucet site will allow you withdraw your earned crypto on the site once you meet the set withdrawal level. Most times, they don't. And all that would amount to efforts in vain. This is what I for see will happen with phone mining apps. Pi may come up tomorrow to tell users that it was just doing a beta test of its site. What would be the fate of users then?
I totally disagree with you mate, in as much as am not going to be advocating whether pi is legit or not, am only gonna give it the benefit of doubt, atleast from my research about the project, they might just be legit, and as you have rightly said in the beginning of your post, that new stuffs are first and foremost greet with suspicion and skeptism, I believe that is what is happening right now, if you know what it means to have a verified Twitter account, I did tell you that pi is one of the few crypto projects to Have a verified Twitter account, if the project was a childish one, I don't believe Twitter would verify their account, so what am saying is we should just give them the benefit of doubt and keep mining since it cost close to nothing to mine, it might turn out legit after all.


Title: Re: Pi crypto (legit?) Or a hoax?
Post by: DaMut on March 18, 2021, 12:32:53 PM
As a crypto enthusiast it is quite sad to see people are blinded by money instead of thinking about it logically, I am not fan of Pi crypto but we should state the fact here that the project itself is legit. the main purpose of Pi network is start earning cryptocurrency today with our free, energy-light mobile app.
when you run it you get the coin from their app which means the project is paying. what is the reason for you to call it a scam?
it is fine to call it a shit project but calling it as a scam without any basis is just stupid. please do not do that.


Title: Re: Pi crypto (legit?) Or a hoax?
Post by: $crypto$ on March 18, 2021, 12:47:02 PM
There is already a thread that talks about PI, and you will find answers to your questions here : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5237735.0
I have also downloaded it but ended up deleting it because of the many oddities in this project.
If we have downloaded the Pi Network application, we will know the answer, as you said, indeed the oddity occurs because some of the ones that are mined don't make sense so I think this is not a real project but only utilizing something the team wants, I have already read the thread you mentioned and it looks like it will be more interesting for the OP to see it on the reputation board.
I also don't know how these tokens are traded because in CMC the track data cannot be read, meaning that it is clear that this is a mining application, not a legitimate one, if you already know everything, the OP should be able to avoid the application.


Title: Re: Pi crypto (legit?) Or a hoax?
Post by: slaman29 on March 18, 2021, 02:18:13 PM
It's been a long time since this mobile mining browser app and project has been introduced to the community. Even until now, as you've said, there's no value.
I cannot conclude yet if this is a serious project because they have existed already for a long time and showing its value is still questionable. Well, it's all your time and you can do whatever you want with that but to me, I won't waste my phone's energy and time for it.

To be fair, I haven't looked at this project properly because of all the criticisms above (no value, no utility etc) but I know tons of other crap projects with far less community supporters around it. I mean to see they have a shitload of mods doing the work voluntarily seems to say something about the project. Not something I'd buy but you never know what community power can do (look at Bitcoin).


Title: Re: Pi crypto (legit?) Or a hoax?
Post by: Nhazwrath on March 18, 2021, 02:35:43 PM
Since you cannot mine anything effectively on a mobile phone theres no mining involved = theres no blockchain in this project.  The purpose of this project as far as i can tell is only to collect your data and click ads.  thats it.  Devs working for free?  define free? the project doesnt pay them but they get their revenue from ad clicks and sale of info?

This entire project is a scam. 

13 million people clicking ads in the Hope they get something in the future is how this scam works.


Title: Re: Pi crypto (legit?) Or a hoax?
Post by: eule on March 18, 2021, 02:53:10 PM
it's a shittoken fueled by bots on social media


Title: Re: Pi crypto (legit?) Or a hoax?
Post by: Mpamaegbu on March 18, 2021, 06:34:47 PM
Snip
I totally disagree with you mate, in as much as am not going to be advocating whether pi is legit or not, am only gonna give it the benefit of doubt, atleast from my research about the project, they might just be legit
While you're free to disagree with my perception, you can at least endeavour to let me see your point of view. From what you've said here, I see you aren't going to stick out your neck for Pi. Why so if you so much disagree with me then? Well, like I said earlier in my comparison of phone mining apps to faucets; they most times end as waste of precious time and data. BTW, is Pi listed on the market yet?


Title: Re: Pi crypto (legit?) Or a hoax?
Post by: Dollar_Hunter on March 18, 2021, 11:47:58 PM
I don't know whether Pi Crypto is legit or a hoax, for sure we have to be careful if we want to invest in Pi,
still not many people have reviewed this coin, indeed on Twitter a few days ago I saw Pi was in trend, and reportedly Pi will replacing Bitcoin,
of course I don't take it for granted, so be careful.


Title: Re: Pi crypto (legit?) Or a hoax?
Post by: CaVO32 on March 18, 2021, 11:55:51 PM
You meant about this, right? https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/pi-network/

As far as i know PI is a crap coin and that's a bad coin. So many Pi shillers were only spreading the fake news to get more and more victim. Be careful with scam coin like Pi

I have seen and heard this coin a long time ago. And it seems that the pi team didn't successfully make it in the trading market. If they are going to be listed, it should have been a long time ago already. But up until now, they are silent about the listing of this coin. I suggest not to mine this coin because you maybe are just wasting your time on this and may not also be good for your phone. I don't think they will ever hit in exchanges, so save yourself here.


Title: Re: Pi crypto (legit?) Or a hoax?
Post by: Billo_ on March 19, 2021, 02:28:35 AM
It is a scam. Someone has posted a feedback about Pi recently and told about his experience, he has lost money. I will it quote here:

Pi is a scam platform, I've been mining Pi since 2 years ago, and to date the withdrawal has never opened.
WOW!
I sounds really like scam.
Much appreciated for sharing your experience and yes, I also saw PI network earlyier where it got advertised.

I hope you will find a legit project where you can make huge profits again. MLM scamers are really bad and should go to prison.
Better stay away because such shitcoins are always bringing a loss. Better invest in known Altcoins, where you know 100% if it's legit or not.


Title: Re: Pi crypto (legit?) Or a hoax?
Post by: southerngentuk on March 19, 2021, 04:48:06 AM
Hi, ive downloaded something called pi which is supposed to be a cryptocurrency that is supposed to be much easier to mine. But i dont really know what to make of it, on one side it is extremely easy just download the app (need an invititation code from a user) then you just start mining and you just tap into the app once a day to keep mining. And it has started to become extremely popular with i think over 15million users. Its free and without ads. On the other hand it does not have any value at the moment. Im not really sure about the technalities about it just they will be on the market with value in stage 3 whatever that is. They did keep their promise with the first stage but i dont know. Anyways does anyone smarter than me have some more insight in this? If you wanna check out for yourself you can use my invititation link if you want.  tommelom93
I personally don't think it would be good and give a lot of value to people who download and do mining on the phone.
There are many reviews about it that you can look for in this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5237735.0
As far as my instinct is in this space, I'm unnecessary with that coin, and there are already many negative reviews of it.
In the country where I live, the media have also spoken and warned about it because it is creating a fever when many people accept and exploit it.


Title: Re: Pi crypto (legit?) Or a hoax?
Post by: akirasendo17 on March 19, 2021, 05:13:55 AM
It's been years now for pi and there is still no clear path for the project, it just runs on the mobile phone and mines pi, who knows what the software is mining, they might harvesting information already we don't know, it's a bit weird that over the years there is no announcement whether it will be launch and there is no price, I'm also one of many who install the app, I have mine decent amount but until now, I don't see any actions from the team, or big announcement only the community are making speculations.


Title: Re: Pi crypto (legit?) Or a hoax?
Post by: Strongkored on March 19, 2021, 06:18:19 AM
There is already a thread that talks about PI, and you will find answers to your questions here : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5237735.0
I have also downloaded it but ended up deleting it because of the many oddities in this project.
If we have downloaded the Pi Network application, we will know the answer, as you said, indeed the oddity occurs because some of the ones that are mined don't make sense so I think this is not a real project but only utilizing something the team wants, I have already read the thread you mentioned and it looks like it will be more interesting for the OP to see it on the reputation board.
I also don't know how these tokens are traded because in CMC the track data cannot be read, meaning that it is clear that this is a mining application, not a legitimate one, if you already know everything, the OP should be able to avoid the application.
It should be like that but unfortunately it could be that the OP is also looking for answers outside of this forum which is often the answer is the opposite of what the members of this forum convey.
Not tracked in CMC because to my knowledge they are not listed on any exchange.


Title: Re: Pi crypto (legit?) Or a hoax?
Post by: pakhitheboss on March 19, 2021, 06:25:23 AM
There not enough evidence that proves that this project is a scam. The only thing that bothers me is that using the app on your mobile phone can cause data theft.

My question to those who have installed this app and are mining.
When you installed this app for the first time did itnasknfor permission to access other apps. If it did then there could be a problem.

Otherwise I do not see any issue.


Title: Re: Pi crypto (legit?) Or a hoax?
Post by: JohnBitCo on March 19, 2021, 06:36:50 AM
There is already a thread that talks about PI, and you will find answers to your questions here : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5237735.0
I have also downloaded it but ended up deleting it because of the many oddities in this project.
If we have downloaded the Pi Network application, we will know the answer, as you said, indeed the oddity occurs because some of the ones that are mined don't make sense so I think this is not a real project but only utilizing something the team wants, I have already read the thread you mentioned and it looks like it will be more interesting for the OP to see it on the reputation board.
I also don't know how these tokens are traded because in CMC the track data cannot be read, meaning that it is clear that this is a mining application, not a legitimate one, if you already know everything, the OP should be able to avoid the application.
It should be like that but unfortunately it could be that the OP is also looking for answers outside of this forum which is often the answer is the opposite of what the members of this forum convey.
Not tracked in CMC because to my knowledge they are not listed on any exchange.

Pi coin is of zero value because no one can buy/sell this coin. Its been so long that this coin is avaible in the market for mining but not available on the exchanges. Unless this coin is not on exchanges, i am not interested to follow this project or involve in the mining of Pi coin.


Title: Re: Pi crypto (legit?) Or a hoax?
Post by: dhemasm on March 19, 2021, 07:22:39 AM
I was "Mine" Pi too on my mobile device for around 1 years right now, The community was really big and their team was actively developing (Updating the youtube, etc) but still didn't know if this was legit or not, They are asking KYC which is suspicious and until now there is no Source Code or any significant update on their development. For now i'm neutral and can't give any exact answer but let's say 50 = Legit and 50 = Hoax/Fraud.


Title: Re: Pi crypto (legit?) Or a hoax?
Post by: FairUser on March 19, 2021, 07:57:29 AM
There not enough evidence that proves that this project is a scam. The only thing that bothers me is that using the app on your mobile phone can cause data theft.

My question to those who have installed this app and are mining.
When you installed this app for the first time did itnasknfor permission to access other apps. If it did then there could be a problem.

Otherwise I do not see any issue.
Well there is not enough evidence that they are scam the matter is that everyone's personal information is really guaranteed. With an inflated product that is supposed to be the future, serving for people, we are the ones to benefit from their activities. 15M downloads a record number with a mobile app, I've personally exploited it, but I'm starting to see it's not of any use, in this space do we need products like this or not? Not for me.


Title: Re: Pi crypto (legit?) Or a hoax?
Post by: dhemasm on March 19, 2021, 12:52:46 PM
Let me know one think does this coin have a blockchain ?  I think No. When you mine the coins, the coins which you get should have a tx id. There is no block explorer of Pi and of course it is not an eth token. So all the mined coins you got is just a increase in the number value and nothing else.
Nope, It's not real mine though the numbers are prearranged and there is no Blockchain or even Source code for now and that's why i said i still doubt about Pi as i said before but beside that they also have a big community and active team also i didn't recommend it either, Well since it's free money i didn't expect something big and just want to be neutral.


Title: Re: Pi crypto (legit?) Or a hoax?
Post by: Natalim on March 19, 2021, 12:58:52 PM
I'm quite new to the project, never heard this before, so I check it in CMC and it looks like it's not traded yet.

https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/pi-network/

Maybe you should also check on this thread. "  PI Network! A huge trap[Warning!]  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5237735.0)"


Title: Re: Pi crypto (legit?) Or a hoax?
Post by: X-ray on March 19, 2021, 03:08:55 PM
There not enough evidence that proves that this project is a scam. The only thing that bothers me is that using the app on your mobile phone can cause data theft.

My question to those who have installed this app and are mining.
When you installed this app for the first time did itnasknfor permission to access other apps. If it did then there could be a problem.

Otherwise I do not see any issue.
Well there is not enough evidence that they are scam the matter is that everyone's personal information is really guaranteed. With an inflated product that is supposed to be the future, serving for people, we are the ones to benefit from their activities. 15M downloads a record number with a mobile app, I've personally exploited it, but I'm starting to see it's not of any use, in this space do we need products like this or not? Not for me.
Can you guarantee if that was a real number? I guess that's a self claim created by the pi crypto itself. there's not even an audit to the claim that already made by this coin.
I doubt if that was a real number and when this coin has 15 million user and why pi can't even listed on a crap exchange site?
That doesn't match with the claim of 15 million users. So many garbage projects created fake claim in the past


Title: Re: Pi crypto (legit?) Or a hoax?
Post by: conected on March 19, 2021, 04:24:04 PM
There not enough evidence that proves that this project is a scam. The only thing that bothers me is that using the app on your mobile phone can cause data theft.

My question to those who have installed this app and are mining.
When you installed this app for the first time did itnasknfor permission to access other apps. If it did then there could be a problem.

Otherwise I do not see any issue.
- Indeed, this project has not received some fraud reports so far, it is still very clean up to now but their behavior is really suspicious, the data on our phones is quite important, during the Pi mining process, some information leaks can happen, this may not be a hundred percent sure, but precaution is never wrong. Plus, this project is also designed for affiliate marketing, a potential project will not need such a marketing method, we want to advertise, we always have many different ways, what I am saying has enough quality evaluation of this project


Title: Re: Pi crypto (legit?) Or a hoax?
Post by: Onuohakk on March 19, 2021, 05:59:26 PM
I can't ascertain that whether Pi crypto "legit or not''.
The only time I tried it is when a friend introduced it to me 2years ago. I keep on mining and referring people to it without being able to access it. I deleted the app cos I find it hard to understand how it works. Since then I haven't tried it again no matter how it been hyped


Title: Re: Pi crypto (legit?) Or a hoax?
Post by: Imran232 on March 19, 2021, 06:22:23 PM
I am also confused about it. Beacuse some news like a shop doing his product sell for pi. Then it got a huge number of downloads on play store. It is a biggest crypto mining app ever on google play store. And after some time they announced something extraordinary. Though they has a huge fan base from all over the world plus they are well prestigious in market. So if they face financial problem they can easily collect from funding.  Now the negative point is they didn't launch the coin in any market since its app launch. Plus they didn't work according to their announcement. So its little bit scammy. So i am truely confused.


Title: Re: Pi crypto (legit?) Or a hoax?
Post by: eule on March 19, 2021, 06:41:39 PM
If you mined a coin that nobody else can see (no block explorer) or receive (no transactions "yet"), did you really mine a coin?  ;)
Lots of empty promises on their webpage, their FAQ is eye-opening if you read between the lines.
Quote
Pi launched Phase 1 of the project on 3/14/2019 (Pi Day). During Phase 1, your balances are being recorded with a guarantee of being honored when Pi transitions to mainnet (Phase 3). Transfers of Pi are restricted until we reach mainnet to prevent bad actors from accumulating Pi from fake accounts. For example, a bad actor could mine from fake accounts, transfer the Pi to a legitimate account, and then pass through Pi’s account verification process despite their illicit gains. We are still refining the exact development timeline for the project. For more details, please refer to the Roadmap section of our white paper.
After two years they have no keys, no testnet, just some numbers they pulled out of their arse and some social media buzz from people who want to rank up in the ponzi scheme. The only question that remains is how the creators are profiting.


Title: Re: Pi crypto (legit?) Or a hoax?
Post by: adzino on March 19, 2021, 07:48:43 PM
Wait that crap still exists? If you google "Pi coin legit", you will see hundreds of result saying that the Pi network is a scam. You should delete that shitty app right away. It's more like a ponzi/MLM thing where you have to invite more friends to get more coins and shit. As far as I know, they don't even have a working chain, and you don't even know what they are actually mining using your phone. They probably are using your phones hardware to mine some other coins or maybe they are just mining your data and selling it to some third party companies.
It's a crap project. Delete it and if you have invited others, tell them to do the same.


Title: Re: Pi crypto (legit?) Or a hoax?
Post by: batang_bitcoin on March 19, 2021, 09:11:39 PM
It's been a long time since this mobile mining browser app and project has been introduced to the community. Even until now, as you've said, there's no value.
I cannot conclude yet if this is a serious project because they have existed already for a long time and showing its value is still questionable. Well, it's all your time and you can do whatever you want with that but to me, I won't waste my phone's energy and time for it.

To be fair, I haven't looked at this project properly because of all the criticisms above (no value, no utility etc) but I know tons of other crap projects with far less community supporters around it. I mean to see they have a shitload of mods doing the work voluntarily seems to say something about the project. Not something I'd buy but you never know what community power can do (look at Bitcoin).
It's different from the community of bitcoin. I wouldn't compare a project that has no real value than to bitcoin that has the entire world's support for it.
That's just an absurd comparison if that's what you're telling about the power of a community coming from a project that has been said that has no value at all and until now, there's no action that it is showing for those that have patronized it.


Title: Re: Pi crypto (legit?) Or a hoax?
Post by: FairUser on March 20, 2021, 08:18:30 AM
-snip-
Well there is not enough evidence that they are scam the matter is that everyone's personal information is really guaranteed. With an inflated product that is supposed to be the future, serving for people, we are the ones to benefit from their activities. 15M downloads a record number with a mobile app, I've personally exploited it, but I'm starting to see it's not of any use, in this space do we need products like this or not? Not for me.
Can you guarantee if that was a real number? I guess that's a self claim created by the pi crypto itself. there's not even an audit to the claim that already made by this coin.
I doubt if that was a real number and when this coin has 15 million user and why pi can't even listed on a crap exchange site?
That doesn't match with the claim of 15 million users. So many garbage projects created fake claim in the past
[/quote]I don't know if everyone knows this, but one of the founders of Pi is the old teacher Vitalik. Actually I was so surprised by the information, I don't understand their reasons and vision, probably because I'm stupid, but I'd rather be stupid than hoping for things like this.


Title: Re: Pi crypto (legit?) Or a hoax?
Post by: el kaka22 on March 21, 2021, 06:11:00 PM
A lot of people feel unsure about this project, when a lot of people feel unsure about a project I just end up not investing into it, there is no reason to put money into something that so many people feel so unsure about, what would be the benefit of that?

This is why even if Pi has a potential to be great in the future, I do not plan on buying it, I will not regret if it goes 100x in the future, there are others that could make me that kind of money for sure (if I can find them and invest into them) and that is why I rather invest into something that the community hypes and likes and promotes all together instead of something that some invest with a fear and others do not invest and call it a scam, that doesn't look or sound like a project that would be profitable if you ask me and even if it is profitable I rather not take that huge risk.


Title: Re: Pi crypto (legit?) Or a hoax?
Post by: JooBra on March 21, 2021, 08:38:31 PM
A lot of people feel unsure about this project, when a lot of people feel unsure about a project I just end up not investing into it, there is no reason to put money into something that so many people feel so unsure about, what would be the benefit of that?

This is why even if Pi has a potential to be great in the future, I do not plan on buying it, I will not regret if it goes 100x in the future, there are others that could make me that kind of money for sure (if I can find them and invest into them) and that is why I rather invest into something that the community hypes and likes and promotes all together instead of something that some invest with a fear and others do not invest and call it a scam, that doesn't look or sound like a project that would be profitable if you ask me and even if it is profitable I rather not take that huge risk.
You can't even buy the coin it's just being "mined" and also there is not a option to send coins. It's just a bad state for now. The only thing they have is a lot of publicity.


Title: Re: Pi crypto (legit?) Or a hoax?
Post by: Willitivity on March 21, 2021, 10:11:46 PM
I can't say for sure if this pi crypto is actually legit, although have been seeing alot of people post about it, but to me having 15million users doesn't guarantee that it's a gem or something, shit coins can be given to millions and still won't have any value, I saw some people saying it's been around since last year, if that's true how come the token is not yet listed on any exchange? and whats the utility of this pi crypto?, cause if there's no utility mining this token will be a complete waste of time and energy.


Title: Re: Pi crypto (legit?) Or a hoax?
Post by: WalkerIVIV on March 21, 2021, 11:30:34 PM
I can't ascertain that whether Pi crypto "legit or not''.
The only time I tried it is when a friend introduced it to me 2years ago. I keep on mining and referring people to it without being able to access it. I deleted the app cos I find it hard to understand how it works. Since then I haven't tried it again no matter how it been hyped
It's quite easy to determine that whether pi is legit or not and just take the date from CMC. This coin is also an old coin that being created after electroneum was waining the momentum a few years ago.
The claim was BS. I don't even understand why people keep talking whether this one is legit or not while there are lots of evidence that proven this coin was a crap coin.
CMC is more than enough to prove it. PI mining app just a crap app.