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Title: OpenAI: Artificial Intelligence will generate wealth to pay each adult $13,500yr
Post by: Hydrogen on March 18, 2021, 11:47:26 PM
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Artificial intelligence will create so much wealth that every adult in the United States could be paid $13,500 per year from its windfall as soon as 10 years from now.

So says Sam Altman, co-founder and president of San Francisco-headquartered, artificial intelligence-focused nonprofit OpenAI.

“My work at OpenAI reminds me every day about the magnitude of the socioeconomic change that is coming sooner than most people believe,” Altman, who posted Tuesday. “Software that can think and learn will do more and more of the work that people now do.”

Altman calls it an “AI revolution,” and compares it in magnitude to the agricultural, industrial and computational technological revolutions. “The technological progress we make in the next 100 years will be far larger than all we’ve made since we first controlled fire and invented the wheel,” he wrote.

The government needs to respond accordingly. “If public policy doesn’t adapt accordingly, most people will end up worse off than they are today,” Altman said.

However, if the government collects and redistributes the wealth that AI will generate, AI’s exponential productivity gains could “make the society of the future much less divisive and enable everyone to participate in its gains,” Altman says.

AI will enable computer programs to “read legal documents” and “give medical advice” in the next five years; in the next 10 computers will “do assembly-line work” and “maybe even become companions,” Altman wrote. “And in the decades after that, [AI] will do almost everything, including making new scientific discoveries that will expand our concept of ‘everything.’”

As the pace of development accelerates, AI “will create phenomenal wealth” but at the same time the price of labor “will fall towards zero,” Altman said.

“It sounds utopian, but it’s something technology can deliver (and in some cases already has). Imagine a world where, for decades, everything – housing, education, food, clothing, etc.– became half as expensive every two years.”

In this future, where wealth will come from companies and land, governments should tax capital, not labor, and those taxes should be distributed to citizens, Altman said.

In his post, Altman proposed an American Equity Fund that taxes sufficiently large companies 2.5% of their market value in the form of company shares, and 2.5% of the value of all land in the form of dollars. Private companies with annual revenue of $1 billion or more would also be taxed and pay in cash, Altman said.

All citizens over 18 would receive payment in both dollars and company shares. People could do as they see fit with that money, Altman said.

By giving every citizen ownership in the country, society would improve for everyone. “Everyone who owns a share in Amazon wants the share price to rise. As people’s individual assets rise in tandem with the country’s, they have a literal stake in seeing their country do well,” Altman said.

With this system in mind, in 10 years, the 250 million adults living in America would get $13,500 per year, Altman said. To get this number, Altman estimated that the $50 trillion worth of value in US companies as calculated by market capitalization and the $30 trillion worth of privately held land in the US both “roughly double” over the coming decade.

“That dividend could be much higher if AI accelerates growth, but even if it’s not, $13,500 will have much greater purchasing power than it does now because technology will have greatly reduced the cost of goods and services,” Altman wrote. “And that effective purchasing power will go up dramatically every year.”

Elon Musk has hinted at a similar future. “There is a pretty good chance we end up with a universal basic income, or something like that, due to automation,” Musk told CNBC in 2016. “Yeah, I am not sure what else one would do. I think that is what would happen.”

Musk is also a co-founder of OpenAI but left the board in 2018 citing the fact that Tesla was becoming an AI company as it developed self-driving capabilities.

Such a system is “both pro-business and pro-people,” Altman said, and would therefore bring together “a remarkably broad constituency.”

However, it’s worth noting that whether or not that is true, with the current climate of political acrimony, it is certainly debatable whether lawmakers would bring such a plan to fruition, especially within a decade.

If government policy were to adapt as it needs to, though, how people spend their time would also look radically different, said Altman.

“As AI produces most of the world’s basic goods and services, people will be freed up to spend more time with people they care about, care for people, appreciate art and nature, or work toward social good,” Altman wrote.

“The changes coming are unstoppable,” Altman said. “If we embrace them and plan for them, we can use them to create a much fairer, happier, and more prosperous society. The future can be almost unimaginably great.”

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/17/openais-altman-ai-will-make-wealth-to-pay-all-adults-13500-a-year.html


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Interesting points on automation, AI and the future of job markets. An area cryptocurrencies could uniquely be positioned to ease a transition. Due to their flexibility and innovative nature. The founder of openAI proposes a 2% tax on tech corporations benefiting from gains in AI based productivity to fund UBI. I for one am not a supporter of UBI based solutions. For many years there have been faint rumblings on social security being underfunded and destined for failure. UBI and social security are structured identical enough that I suspect UBI would eventually wind up underfunded and unsustainable as SS has.

AI carries a potential to boost productivity and profit margins, if the big promises attached to it pan out. Productivity from the 1950s to the present have doubled in some areas. Generating wealth has never been an issue. The main difficulties we've faced are booming population growth coupled with wealth distribution. In terms of whether gains in productivity can exhibit a trickle down effect.



Title: Re: OpenAI: Artificial Intelligence will generate wealth to pay each adult $13,500yr
Post by: Ucy on March 19, 2021, 03:45:33 PM
Just imagining what a human body Will be like if natural cells,tissues, brains etc  are replaced by artificial alternatives and paid/rewarded to enjoy life while the artificial ones do most of the jobs


Title: Re: OpenAI: Artificial Intelligence will generate wealth to pay each adult $13,500yr
Post by: Oceat on March 19, 2021, 04:53:30 PM
Just imagining what a human body Will be like if natural cells,tissues, brains etc  are replaced by artificial alternatives and paid/rewarded to enjoy life while the artificial ones do most of the jobs
I still have a doubt about this AI thing compared to humans who have free will and emotions while a computer can't feel anything. I don't like the idea of having AI/robots that would do most of the jobs that human can do especially if it doesn't require strength. But somehow I like how AI works almost perfectly than we humans but the question is, if this grow up. Will there be enough jobs for most people on who lives on that specific country if it was handled by AI?

Yeah, sure the owner would say he's lucky to have some AI works for him to save money but there are works also that AI cannot handle if it requires a delicate skills when handling such as making clothes, cooking and many more that would require some interaction.

This is kind of scary if you could imagine the whole thing controlled by robots or AI.


Title: Re: OpenAI: Artificial Intelligence will generate wealth to pay each adult $13,500yr
Post by: fiulpro on March 19, 2021, 05:40:27 PM
AI is not soms which is a new concept, out if the blue but rather it's something that has been developing since ages and people are using it as normally as anything. We have bots for trading , we have bots for suggesting the price movement of cryptocurrencies, these things are already being used and especially on gambling websites people are already aware of the bot that plays tricks when you win. But now slowly by slowly people have started using AI to control their houses , people are using AI in stocks , when we talk about AI , I am honestly scared because we all remember the computer program that taught himself, how to walk , AI could definately take over .... Even we did have to shut down two of them because they developed their own language and started speaking. Who will control it? Let's see.


Title: Re: OpenAI: Artificial Intelligence will generate wealth to pay each adult $13,500yr
Post by: Lorence.xD on March 20, 2021, 07:36:59 AM
AI is not soms which is a new concept, out if the blue but rather it's something that has been developing since ages and people are using it as normally as anything. We have bots for trading , we have bots for suggesting the price movement of cryptocurrencies, these things are already being used and especially on gambling websites people are already aware of the bot that plays tricks when you win. But now slowly by slowly people have started using AI to control their houses , people are using AI in stocks , when we talk about AI , I am honestly scared because we all remember the computer program that taught himself, how to walk , AI could definately take over .... Even we did have to shut down two of them because they developed their own language and started speaking. Who will control it? Let's see.
Don't irrational fear that AI will be taking over is not something any of us should be worry about, by the time it happens, most of us wouldn't really wouldn't be alive to witness the take over. Even if bots and AIs are used for trading, a lot of people are still skeptical about it for no reason, maybe there are some that are just fake bots but most of them are just too complicated for them to tweak so they complain that trading bots are not that good for trading. If AI can really generate wealth then it will be good for humanity but I don't think that the people in power wants that kind of socialist idea to happen so I will bet my money that this dream won't come true.


Title: Re: OpenAI: Artificial Intelligence will generate wealth to pay each adult $13,500yr
Post by: bolawin on March 20, 2021, 01:27:13 PM
Just imagining what a human body Will be like if natural cells,tissues, brains etc  are replaced by artificial alternatives and paid/rewarded to enjoy life while the artificial ones do most of the jobs

artificial heart that will never stop


Title: Re: OpenAI: Artificial Intelligence will generate wealth to pay each adult $13,500yr
Post by: Lucius on March 20, 2021, 02:52:15 PM
Maybe I'm old-fashioned, but I like to watch all this artificial intelligence stuff mostly on TV - and I wouldn't want AI to start managing our lives to the point that it will determine how we live. I remember the time before the internet, mobile phones and game consoles - and if I compare that to the present I can say that people were much happier and healthier in the past.

Technology on the one hand helps people, but it also has its dark side which results in people becoming more and more antisocial, developing very violent behaviors and becoming so to speak stupider as technology starts to think for them. Instead of developing cognitive abilities, we increasingly rely on technology to think for us and solve problems and come up with solutions, which we no longer question because they are created by something that is smarter than us anyway.

If you look at any SF movie, AI and new advanced technologies have mostly resulted in humans becoming inferior beings who have completely lost control of practically everything, and most of all over their freedom.


Title: Re: OpenAI: Artificial Intelligence will generate wealth to pay each adult $13,500yr
Post by: verita1 on March 20, 2021, 08:12:06 PM
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The government needs to respond accordingly. “If public policy doesn’t adapt accordingly, most people will end up worse off than they are today,” Altman said.

However, if the government collects and redistributes the wealth that AI will generate, AI’s exponential productivity gains could “make the society of the future much less divisive and enable everyone to participate in its gains,” Altman says.

So true! Governments must act in accordance with the times in which we live. I believe that they should emphasize and be vigilant with technological advances and the government team is key so that government policies are the most effective in achieving the success of programs like the ones that OpenAI is working on.

If governments do not focus on the socio-economic problems of the people we will see the beginning of governments and the conclusion of them with little progress in the fair distribution of wealth.


Title: Re: OpenAI: Artificial Intelligence will generate wealth to pay each adult $13,500yr
Post by: Silberman on March 22, 2021, 12:25:50 AM
Maybe I'm old-fashioned, but I like to watch all this artificial intelligence stuff mostly on TV - and I wouldn't want AI to start managing our lives to the point that it will determine how we live. I remember the time before the internet, mobile phones and game consoles - and if I compare that to the present I can say that people were much happier and healthier in the past.

Technology on the one hand helps people, but it also has its dark side which results in people becoming more and more antisocial, developing very violent behaviors and becoming so to speak stupider as technology starts to think for them. Instead of developing cognitive abilities, we increasingly rely on technology to think for us and solve problems and come up with solutions, which we no longer question because they are created by something that is smarter than us anyway.

If you look at any SF movie, AI and new advanced technologies have mostly resulted in humans becoming inferior beings who have completely lost control of practically everything, and most of all over their freedom.
While slowly that world is slowly becoming a reality, how many people do not even know their telephone number?Just a few decades ago people knew their own numbers and the ones belonging to their friends and family, this is not because people were smarter back in the day this is because they had no option but to do it, each technological advance while incredible is weakening humans to the point that I am not surprised that now computes are even thinking and taking decisions in our behalf.


Title: Re: OpenAI: Artificial Intelligence will generate wealth to pay each adult $13,500yr
Post by: Rruchi man on March 22, 2021, 04:27:44 AM

AI will enable computer programs to “read legal documents” and “give medical advice” in the next five years; in the next 10 computers will “do assembly-line work” and “maybe even become companions,” Altman wrote. “And in the decades after that, [AI] will do almost everything, including making new scientific discoveries that will expand our concept of ‘everything.’”

As the pace of development accelerates, AI “will create phenomenal wealth” but at the same time the price of labor “will fall towards zero,” Altman said.

“It sounds utopian, but it’s something technology can deliver (and in some cases already has). Imagine a world where, for decades, everything – housing, education, food, clothing, etc.– became half as expensive every two years.”

In this future, where wealth will come from companies and land, governments should tax capital, not labor, and those taxes should be distributed to citizens, Altman said.

All citizens over 18 would receive payment in both dollars and company shares. People could do as they see fit with that money, Altman said.


“As AI produces most of the world’s basic goods and services, people will be freed up to spend more time with people they care about, care for people, appreciate art and nature..

The statement that people will be freed up to spend more time with family and other things doesn't quite go down well with me. Have we even considered some of the potential problems this might cause? People's quality of life might reduce, no target, reduce sense of importance that some derive from working, etc

Furthermore, As we see in the movies, and as we have heard it happen once or twice, What happens when this system is hijacked by internet and technology specialist? If the system is built to pay people, based on the data and computer instruction it receives, has a widespread financial attack not been made easier for cyber attackers?


Title: Re: OpenAI: Artificial Intelligence will generate wealth to pay each adult $13,500yr
Post by: crwth on March 22, 2021, 04:47:31 AM
We can never escape the fact about jobs with this same circle that continuously rolls on with the exact cause and purpose. It's better to have an AI do that tedious task instead of relying on a person who gets bored and probably has been bored by doing the same damn thing every day. With AI, I believe it's more efficient that way, and owners will probably agree on the same thing.

Once we have actualized this, a better generation will focus on the right things, hopefully. Having dividends of that would be great for sure.


Title: Re: OpenAI: Artificial Intelligence will generate wealth to pay each adult $13,500yr
Post by: zanezane on March 22, 2021, 05:09:37 AM
We can never escape the fact about jobs with this same circle that continuously rolls on with the exact cause and purpose. It's better to have an AI do that tedious task instead of relying on a person who gets bored and probably has been bored by doing the same damn thing every day. With AI, I believe it's more efficient that way, and owners will probably agree on the same thing.

Once we have actualized this, a better generation will focus on the right things, hopefully. Having dividends of that would be great for sure.
That could be the best outcome if the people that are doing the job in the first place is going to be taken over by the AI are going to be compensated for being unemployed which is an unlikely thing to happen given that the government doesn't like the idea of giving free money to the people that they can ignore. The only way for that to happen is that some sort of Universal Basic Income is being implemented, this way people don't have to worry about looking for a menial job and they can focus on pursuing their passion and dreams.


Title: Re: OpenAI: Artificial Intelligence will generate wealth to pay each adult $13,500yr
Post by: Wexnident on March 22, 2021, 05:27:25 AM
I still have a doubt about this AI thing compared to humans who have free will and emotions while a computer can't feel anything. I don't like the idea of having AI/robots that would do most of the jobs that human can do especially if it doesn't require strength. But somehow I like how AI works almost perfectly than we humans but the question is, if this grow up. Will there be enough jobs for most people on who lives on that specific country if it was handled by AI?

Yeah, sure the owner would say he's lucky to have some AI works for him to save money but there are works also that AI cannot handle if it requires a delicate skills when handling such as making clothes, cooking and many more that would require some interaction.

This is kind of scary if you could imagine the whole thing controlled by robots or AI.
Well, it ain't going to be a fully controlled AI world that's for sure. There could be restaurants where food is cooked by AI's, at the same time there could also still be restaurants where food is cooked by humans. One thing for sure is that AI would take the jobs of those who mostly do repetitive chores such as factories and the like. Yes, jobs will be lost and possibly they can't regain any jobs or whatnot, but I suppose that's what the "generated wealth" that AI's would provide to the populace no? You're basically living while doing nothing (or you're just doing your hobbies). It'd mostly turn into an industry where most people live off of entertaining people (and people watching entertainment) while AI does the menial work kinda thing.


Title: Re: OpenAI: Artificial Intelligence will generate wealth to pay each adult $13,500yr
Post by: cryptoperkele on March 22, 2021, 07:01:34 AM
It wouldn't surprise me. AI:s could already save money for people. And there are ton of people who need help with a lots of stuff. Uneducated people, people with disabilities and even people without any disabilities need help in the future do max out their profits and to deal with the complex world in overall.


Title: Re: OpenAI: Artificial Intelligence will generate wealth to pay each adult $13,500yr
Post by: ethereumhunter on March 22, 2021, 08:35:25 AM
Maybe we can give the AI the hard task to work so that humans can do an easy task. But we can not deny if AI will work beside us in the future because when the technology is growing fast and the AI invented, the AI can help humans to do many things every day. As long as AI will not control everything, especially control our life, I think that will not be a problem for humans.

The AI will help and contribute to the factory and big company, and maybe they will reduce the employee and replace it with the AI. But that will need time before they can implement or apply the AI to their company.


Title: Re: OpenAI: Artificial Intelligence will generate wealth to pay each adult $13,500yr
Post by: bolawin on March 22, 2021, 09:06:03 AM
it must be hodl ai


Title: Re: OpenAI: Artificial Intelligence will generate wealth to pay each adult $13,500yr
Post by: Gozie51 on March 22, 2021, 09:13:56 AM

Uneducated people, people with disabilities and even people without any disabilities need help in the future do max out their profits and to deal with the complex world in overall.

All those you have mentioned about AI does not stop people from achieving anything they want to including wealth and comfortable life. AI is only what is important and not the height of acquired knowledge you have. In Africa in example, AI is key and important. Wealth has not only been measured by knowledge but AI. Most people not acquiring knowledge in school have made it to high class before even they decide to acquire education.


Title: Re: OpenAI: Artificial Intelligence will generate wealth to pay each adult $13,500yr
Post by: avikz on March 22, 2021, 09:49:26 AM
AI and automation will eventually bring dooms to our lives in next few years! It has the power to drastically change the job market because big corporations will stop hiring people for reparative tasks and instead make use of AI and automation. The neat result will force millions of people loose their jobs and income.

2% tax on such use of AI is not going to be enough to cover the earnings of the population lost their income due to such things. We surely don't want to see an world where robots will rule the job market and people will suffer from financial burdens. We need to be very cautious in implementing AI in our daily lives.


Title: Re: OpenAI: Artificial Intelligence will generate wealth to pay each adult $13,500yr
Post by: davis196 on March 22, 2021, 12:19:18 PM
This guy sounds as if he invented the economical "perpetuum mobile" and everything will be perfect from now on.The AI will take care of everything and we will be just reaping all the benefits without any efforts and hard work.Robot servants will do all the work and we will be zipping margaritas on the beach. ;D
This utopia might happen after 500 years(if there's no Apocalypse),but there's no point of discussing it now.
I assume that this conman will be selling his miraculous AI trading bot for $$$ and eventually scamming lots of people,when it turns out that this is another "snake oil".


Title: Re: OpenAI: Artificial Intelligence will generate wealth to pay each adult $13,500yr
Post by: paxmao on March 22, 2021, 06:23:28 PM
There are a lot of expectations about artificial intelligence and robotics. These seem to pair up quite well and we seem to be still far away from the cyberhumans - actually mixing electronics with humans, perhaps up to the point of creating a new especies.

But for now, this has a lot to do with UBI (universal basic income) and how we distribute the newly created wealth that may (MAY) come out of the advance of these technologies. For those young among us, they will not remember how the AI was also a buzzword a few decades ago with IBM's Deep Blue "beating" Kasparov at chess.

Are we again on the hype cycle slide?

https://images-cdn.newscred.com/Zz1lNWZiNWRjMmRlNWIxMWVhYjFjMjBlNjhjZDJlOWEzMw==



Title: Re: OpenAI: Artificial Intelligence will generate wealth to pay each adult $13,500yr
Post by: el kaka22 on March 23, 2021, 08:09:36 AM
I get that it "can" but just like how the article mentions, that "only" happens if the wealth created by AI is distributed to the people, we all know that is a lie right? Capitalist wealthy billionaires will do everything in their power to use AI to make even more money and give people even less money, it could be another usecase for AI, figure out how to keep people so poor that they can still survive but barely, because that's what rich people want us to be, so poor that we can still purchase stuff from them but not be rich.

We all know that we are going to see people with the first trillion dollar networth in modern times if this happens, well we will see it eventually anyway but AI will make it easier.


Title: Re: OpenAI: Artificial Intelligence will generate wealth to pay each adult $13,500yr
Post by: Ucy on March 23, 2021, 09:18:40 AM
Just imagining what a human body Will be like if natural cells,tissues, brains etc  are replaced by artificial alternatives and paid/rewarded to enjoy life while the artificial ones do most of the jobs
I still have a doubt about this AI thing compared to humans who have free will and emotions while a computer can't feel anything. I don't like the idea of having AI/robots that would do most of the jobs that human can do especially if it doesn't require strength. But somehow I like how AI works almost perfectly than we humans but the question is, if this grow up. Will there be enough jobs for most people on who lives on that specific country if it was handled by AI?

Yeah, sure the owner would say he's lucky to have some AI works for him to save money but there are works also that AI cannot handle if it requires a delicate skills when handling such as making clothes, cooking and many more that would require some interaction.

This is kind of scary if you could imagine the whole thing controlled by robots or AI.

Works almost "perfectly" in tasks humans programmed for them. Humans can be trained/"programmed" to work better in an ideal condition. By the way, AI can't solve new problems safely than "purified" humans. Good Ideas for solving problems the right ways and quickly come from the CREATOR.


Title: Re: OpenAI: Artificial Intelligence will generate wealth to pay each adult $13,500yr
Post by: Mauser on March 23, 2021, 10:18:10 AM
I get that it "can" but just like how the article mentions, that "only" happens if the wealth created by AI is distributed to the people, we all know that is a lie right? Capitalist wealthy billionaires will do everything in their power to use AI to make even more money and give people even less money, it could be another usecase for AI, figure out how to keep people so poor that they can still survive but barely, because that's what rich people want us to be, so poor that we can still purchase stuff from them but not be rich.

We all know that we are going to see people with the first trillion dollar networth in modern times if this happens, well we will see it eventually anyway but AI will make it easier.

I got the same impression when reading it as you. On paper it sounds nice, if we could distribute the wealth to everybody, but we are living in a capitalist society. This is never going to happen. Why would any company that makes a profit with AI just give away their money? The only way that could happen if the government would do it via taxes, but this is not feasible in todays world. If one country increases the tax rates too high than the companies will just relocate to other countries and use tax havens to save the money.


Title: Re: OpenAI: Artificial Intelligence will generate wealth to pay each adult $13,500yr
Post by: Wawa2013 on March 23, 2021, 11:05:51 AM
I believe that in the future the tough and dangerous work will be done by Artificial Intelligence, and humans will do light work and work that
involves emotions. Large factories really need Artificial Intelligence so that work is more effective and productive than using humans as workers.
In exchange, the government can collect bigger taxes for companies that use Artificial Intelligence as their workers. Tax revenue can be used to
help people who have not found a job, so I don't mind Artificial Intelligence taking over some of the jobs that humans do. As long as there is
clear regulation from the government regarding Artificial Intelligence, and also do not harm humans. There is nothing wrong with this world
starting to employ Artificial Intelligence for jobs that are usually done by humans.


Title: Re: OpenAI: Artificial Intelligence will generate wealth to pay each adult $13,500yr
Post by: Poker Player on March 23, 2021, 12:22:28 PM
This dream is not new. A future world where we work less and live better thanks to machines, and, in this case AI. Today we live better than we did 50, 100 and 1000 years ago, but we don't stop working, at least most of us. I hope this is the case, but I have my doubts. It would be ideal a future where working is not an obligation and people do what they like, being the rest of productive jobs carried out by machines.


Title: Re: OpenAI: Artificial Intelligence will generate wealth to pay each adult $13,500yr
Post by: Ucy on March 23, 2021, 05:01:04 PM
This dream is not new. A future world where we work less and live better thanks to machines, and, in this case AI. Today we live better than we did 50, 100 and 1000 years ago, but we don't stop working, at least most of us. I hope this is the case, but I have my doubts. It would be ideal a future where working is not an obligation and people do what they like, being the rest of productive jobs carried out by machines.


The bolded is what we were taught , but I don't think that can be trusted. I believe humans lived better in the past when they were living according to the purpose they were created but things deteorated as we deviate from the purpose. Besides, our world and things in it are deteorating (not getting better) as time goes on and evil increases.



Title: Re: OpenAI: Artificial Intelligence will generate wealth to pay each adult $13,500yr
Post by: jaberwock on March 24, 2021, 12:34:00 PM
I believe that in the future the tough and dangerous work will be done by Artificial Intelligence, and humans will do light work and work that involves emotions. Large factories really need Artificial Intelligence so that work is more effective and productive than using humans as workers.
In exchange, the government can collect bigger taxes for companies that use Artificial Intelligence as their workers. Tax revenue can be used to help people who have not found a job, so I don't mind Artificial Intelligence taking over some of the jobs that humans do. As long as there is clear regulation from the government regarding Artificial Intelligence, and also do not harm humans. There is nothing wrong with this world starting to employ Artificial Intelligence for jobs that are usually done by humans.
I do not think that governments could collect bigger taxes from those companies. Look at amazon for example, it has a lot of people but they have a lot of machines that work for them as well yet when we are talking about taxes they pay zero federal taxes. There are so many companies that pay zero federal taxes as well.

This is a proof that rich people could buy the politicians from any party (doesn't matter nation, doesn't matter party) and they will keep paying as little tax as possible and hide their wealth in overseas as well and keep doing that forever, even if AI allows them to make more money. It means with this AI there will be less people employed and there will be more wealthy people and more poverty in the world. This is why I think this AI business needs to be regulated properly, if not it is going to be the worst thing for humanity.


Title: Re: OpenAI: Artificial Intelligence will generate wealth to pay each adult $13,500yr
Post by: Silberman on March 25, 2021, 02:52:21 AM
I get that it "can" but just like how the article mentions, that "only" happens if the wealth created by AI is distributed to the people, we all know that is a lie right? Capitalist wealthy billionaires will do everything in their power to use AI to make even more money and give people even less money, it could be another usecase for AI, figure out how to keep people so poor that they can still survive but barely, because that's what rich people want us to be, so poor that we can still purchase stuff from them but not be rich.

We all know that we are going to see people with the first trillion dollar networth in modern times if this happens, well we will see it eventually anyway but AI will make it easier.
AI can in theory do whatever you taught to it, so if an AI was taught how to do that then it could do so in a  very effective way, however I think we are very long way to go to reach the AI that we see in the movies, however AI is already part of our lives and it is increasing in its power, if you have ever bought something online and then you see recommendations of other products in which you could be interested chances are that list was produced by an AI.


Title: Re: OpenAI: Artificial Intelligence will generate wealth to pay each adult $13,500yr
Post by: wiss19 on March 29, 2021, 05:04:06 PM
AI carries a potential to boost productivity and profit margins, if the big promises attached to it pan out. Productivity from the 1950s to the present have doubled in some areas. Generating wealth has never been an issue. The main difficulties we've faced are booming population growth coupled with wealth distribution. In terms of whether gains in productivity can exhibit a trickle down effect.
The way we are going with these AI of a thing , I hope we don’t end up creating the ones that will bomb earth to pieces. Cause this is really turning to something else since all these dumb scientists now wants AI to do everything single thing on earth, what’s wrong with our normal way of living?

Why don’t we just live our lives the way it is and only create minor AI that we can easily manage, than all these big stuffs that doesn’t make any sense, seriously.

Well, whatever , I just hope that whatever they are creating they better find ways that they are going to be keeping them under control, so they don’t do some stupid things.


Title: Re: OpenAI: Artificial Intelligence will generate wealth to pay each adult $13,500yr
Post by: Kong Hey Pakboy on March 30, 2021, 06:20:17 AM
The way we are going with these AI of a thing , I hope we don’t end up creating the ones that will bomb earth to pieces. Cause this is really turning to something else since all these dumb scientists now wants AI to do everything single thing on earth, what’s wrong with our normal way of living?

Why don’t we just live our lives the way it is and only create minor AI that we can easily manage, than all these big stuffs that doesn’t make any sense, seriously.

Well, whatever , I just hope that whatever they are creating they better find ways that they are going to be keeping them under control, so they don’t do some stupid things.
You watch too much movies, that will be near impossible in my opinion and if it ever happens, that will be probably around two generations so really no worries at all. The reason that they are doing this is to help them with other things like complex calculations and IoT devices which is a good thing because it can help other people do multiple tasks with the help of an AI at the same time. Now with this idea that people are getting paid because AI will generate money, the only way that I can see that it will do it is when you create an AI that does the trading for you.


Title: Re: OpenAI: Artificial Intelligence will generate wealth to pay each adult $13,500yr
Post by: DrBeer on March 30, 2021, 06:32:22 PM
The question is for logic. How will the indicated amount appear "out of nowhere"? At best, this is possible in pyramid schemes. Just like that, income cannot appear - someone has to form it from their wallet. Who will be the "charitable foundation" for this project?


Title: Re: OpenAI: Artificial Intelligence will generate wealth to pay each adult $13,500yr
Post by: StartupAnalyst on April 01, 2021, 08:50:14 AM
We already use artificial intellect in everyday life. It is an integral part of the progress. Even Google assistant available on smartphones is with artificial intelligence. The idea that AI is using to work and help people to save their time is good but all is good in moderation. Now Tesla provides cars that are ruling on autopilot, many factories work without people (have only controlling personal), talking that soon airplanes will also fly without pilots (totally on autopilot), so all these leads to decreasing of working places. People are fired and will be fired more and all those words that government will pay money to someone because AI will work instead of them is a big fairy tale.


Title: Re: OpenAI: Artificial Intelligence will generate wealth to pay each adult $13,500yr
Post by: Kittygalore on April 01, 2021, 09:07:48 AM
We already use artificial intellect in everyday life. It is an integral part of the progress. Even Google assistant available on smartphones is with artificial intelligence. The idea that AI is using to work and help people to save their time is good but all is good in moderation. Now Tesla provides cars that are ruling on autopilot, many factories work without people (have only controlling personal), talking that soon airplanes will also fly without pilots (totally on autopilot), so all these leads to decreasing of working places. People are fired and will be fired more and all those words that government will pay money to someone because AI will work instead of them is a big fairy tale.
The AI that is currently in use are not as advanced as OpenAI, they did a test of this AI in the Dota 2 Tournament "The International" which is the biggest tournament for the game, and the AI hasn't experienced a loss in all the 1v1 challenges against it and the players that fought against it are the top players of the world. If we continue to advance in terms of Neural Network, I think that we will be able to see an AI that will make itself learn. The only reason that I think that AI will generate wealth to pay people is if the AI can be utilized to do day trading or maybe they can help professionals to do their work for them.


Title: Re: OpenAI: Artificial Intelligence will generate wealth to pay each adult $13,500yr
Post by: stompix on April 01, 2021, 05:26:08 PM
So, the wealth will not come to form some miraculous AI that makes money but:

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In his post, Altman proposed an American Equity Fund that taxes sufficiently large companies 2.5% of their market value in the form of company shares, and 2.5% of the value of all land in the form of dollars. Private companies with annual revenue of $1 billion or more would also be taxed and pay in cash, Altman said

Why do you need an AI in all this plan when the money, just like in any socialist utopia soon to be dystopia from taxing other people?
What was even the point in throwing the so-called revolutionary AI into his mess, his plan will not work unless he taxes the companies and people with money, without an unlimited source of taxation no AI system, will be able to redistribute anything to anybody. Why would you need money in the first place when those systems are the ones that could guarantee themselves affordable living conditions for the masses?

Just another socialist dream wrapped in a different package and with a topping of "this time, it will work" cream.