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How long this will run?

If nobody take action against unpaid campaign, Then we will face this problem too much in future. Bounty/Signature hunters isn’t doll, But, sometimes, Project owners used them as a doll. Bounty hunters promote project in social media, forum. And make project popular but project owner cheat with them.

We will all work together so that no one can cheat us.
Let's do it, Sometimes we can see project go to good place but, they cheat with campaign hunters, out main target is those project. If project cheat with us, Then we will destroy that project all together. We will success this mission, If we work together and if we get support from forum seniors.

I created a telegram group (#post_) for discussion about unpaid campaign. Group admin ship can be transferred to trusted forum seniors, if they want.

We want great support from forum seniors and bounty manager. I think they will help, Because unpaid campaign also a type of scam and that’s happen in this forum.

If a project scam you, or you were scammed while in a campaign, be it signature or bounty, you can create a thread about such it in scam accusation.

Why creating a telegram group to what should not go beyond this forum. Creating a telegram group for this is highly unnecessary and a way scammers might elicit there work.

The only way this has any chance to succeed is if you simply stop joining campaigns whose funds are not escrowed. And preferably not escrow tokens, but something more valuable like BTC/ETH/stablecoins because it's very easy to make those escrowed tokens worthless by simply making a new one.

But for that to happen you will have to have huge support of your fellow bounty hunters and unfortunately there is always a decent amount of those who will simply ignore your effort and continue to do the same thing; joining as much campaigns as possible and hoping that some will pay.


I don' think that "forum seniors" can do much about this. You may eventually destroy altcoin project's reputation here on the forum, but if they are ready to cheat you out of the tokens, they obviously don't care much about that.

I wish you good luck with your effort, but in the end its all up to you, no senior member can save you from yourself.


Chances that some project will change their mind after that are imho slim to none. By then its already too late.

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Until bounty hunters change their stance towards bounty campaigns, this will keep happening. Before even thinking about joining altcoin bounty campaign, first I would ask myself "would I ever invest my own money into this?" If the answer is yes, then I would make sure that funds are escrowed before proceeding with bounty campaign. I mean, I often hear bounty hunters mentioning "hard work" etc. If its really hard work in question, why lowering your standards so much and joining every possible campaign without much thinking?

I Don't know where is the end, But i will try to my best for making this journey success.


After creating scam accusation, DT will tag them red if they found proper information. And project will lost their reputation in forum. But, outside for forum their reputation still increased. I know so mich much people, who not follow btt.


I created this group only for taking action fastly. I will remove that group if maximum people think it’s unnecessary.

I had some campaigns joined that didn't got paid. As much as I want to join the cause, I simply just love forward and move on. Well that's a risky gamble actually. There is really a chance that a certain campaign how legit it sound can or may double cross you and left you hanging without any payment.

Creating telegram group could get you noticed but to be prioritised and scared them, not so tough move to get the unpaid being paid just like that. Especially if they don't really want to pay at all.

For DT members to tag a scam manager, you need clear proof of scam.  Take a look at the Scam Accusations section. Read when and in what case DT can flag scammers. Layout all the accusations in that section, then perhaps your efforts will be successful.
But since you write that the project is popular outside the forum, I doubt that you can achieve anything.
The smartest advice was given to you. Stop participating in programs in which funds are not deposited.  By participating in fraudulent programs, you unwittingly become complicit in them. I see such behavior very often from bounty hunters.

Problem here is represented by the huge number of people willing to participate in campaigns that are not manage by reputable forum member and/or whose funds are not escrowed.
So this is a supply and demand problem as in a normal market dynamics : until there will be this low requirements/quality demand of bounty campaigns there will also be someone who will take advantage of it.
If we make sure that unsecured campaigns run out of subscribers and we will have a flow of escrowed/guaranteed ones.

In my opinion ( it is certainly an unpopular one)  to solve the problem it is easier to redtag those who agree to participate in "unsecured" campaigns beside those who scam the participants: the latter will have no problem creating new accounts to launch new scam bounty projects but the first category will for sure refrain to join these.

So, who is the manager, project you mean ....!
• invite him here, we want to hear what he has to say.

What is the name of the project....!
Show here, how many bounty hunters have complained about the project....!

One more, give us proof that you are not paid and the project is scamming you.

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It is necessary to prove your conversation with them.

All scam accusations are supported by senior members and DT's of this forum, you can check the scam sections there is no need to launch your own crusade, as long as the information is correct and the accusers can provide all the details, the community will tag these scammers, the scam busters of these forums are even taking time and effort to catch these scammers.

Scams aren't moderated, OP.
Even if you gather help from a lot of people here, the only thing that could be done would be tagging the users behind the project.

Telegram group isn't necessary as there is a Scam Accusation board to discuss those already.
I would suggest reading and visiting each boards first, because judging from your posts history you don't seem to visit any other places other than the Bounty thread as it is full of Bounty reports.

You didn't post a clear scam accusation.
You didn't post any info about the campaign or the campaign manager.
You are only shilling a telegram group.

From my point of view you don't care at all about the (real) problems in bounty campaigns - mostly in altcoin/token areas.
From my point of view all you care is to get a successful telegram group which you'll probably try to monetize sometime later.

You've posted 1 scam accusation for somebody impersonating you. Nothing else.
This forum has its few tools - negative feedback and flag. If accusations are done properly, these actions can be done against scammers. If you go outside of the forum, you're on your own (with your telegram group I don't expect anybody care about).

We are saying for many years already that people should triple-check the bounty campaign before entering. Nobody cares until they get scammed. So.. yeah... good luck...

I’m interested on how you will work together just to fight this long time problem of this forum. The problem was you can’t determine easily if the project is scam or not unless they commit it already. Except for those obviously showing mistakes such as plagiarism on other project materials and whitepaper. Besides that, only few trusted member here are already joining bounty campaign so most member you will recruit is newbie or spammers. It’s to just avoid joining rather than risking your time joining it. Don’t be a victim.

To be honest, reputed users and quality marketers, influencers... users who've had good sm accounts haven't participated in shit bounty programs for a long time. It's reserved for spammers, fake multi-accounters. I am not sure how they can bring any investors there.
Any trash can run a giveaway and bounty program (signature campaign also) where hunters start promoting without any investigation is a real project. There is no difference between a non-paid campaign and a campaign paid with dust token.

There's a lot of unpaid bounties until now and seriously, the manager can't do anything about it once the campaign was done aside from communicating to the team especially most of the bounties are not escrowed, so the problem here is that the team is not cooperating at all and they have so many excuses just to delay the payment or they are just a scam project in the first place.

It's better to create a site where we can easily report/post those project who are not a good payer, and made a good connections to the exchanges or to any market just to tell that those projects are not paying the hunters maybe this can affect their reputations at all.  I've joined bounties many times before, and I got paid for my work but that token is useless and no value at all, you're lucky enough if you landed on a great project that pays on time with a great value.

Bingo.  And this is a lesson that unfortunately I don't think anybody is going to learn--not as long as people keep coming to bitcointalk in search of an online job and don't realize how scammy some of these idiot project owners and bounty managers are. 

This issue has been going on since at least the beginning of the ICO boom, which was roughly 3.5 years ago or so.  That's when bounties started paying their participants in shitty tokens and sometimes not paying anything at all.  And what happens?  The scammers move on to start another project with another bounty, using a different name, and the cycle continues.  If people weren't so desperate for money (or greedy; it depends on the circumstances), this would never happen.  But let's face it, if you complain about something, they'll boot you from the bounty without a second though and there'll be another member waiting in line to take your place.

So the moral of the story is: don't join a campaign/bounty that doesn't have a reputable manager at the helm, and don't join unless the funds to pay the participants are escrowed in advance.  And even then, there's so much that could go wrong but at least if you have those two things in place it's much less riskier to join one of these bounties.

what's frustrating about not getting paid is that their tokens have already value and listed to good exchanges and uniswap. the team looks pretty decent and has been developing their project but just keeping them the promise to send the tokens in months and when the time comes they move the dates again.

they are left waiting and if they ruin the reputation of the project, the price will start dropping. it's a situation where they want to get paid but not wanting their earnings to drop as well. i experience this myself.  ;D

Stop joining in any of altcoin bounty on bounties section. Just pick signature/bounty campaign which pay with USD or bitcoin on service section. Let their bounty died by no one joined.

Why would you ask people's help to take action while you and others still willing to join on their bounty later?

As long as there are bounty hunters that willing to take a risk and to receive a fancy token from the bounty project, this cycle will not stop.  So my point is, stop joining bounty projects running by newly created accounts and not by reputed managers.  Because they are most likely going to scam even they had complete documents like whitepaper and roadmap, high potential to be scam will be occurred in the future.

Joining a bounty campaign is always has a risk and here my rate on the risk upon joining.

• Joining with a newbie manager is about 75% risk
• Joining with an old bounty manager that has a red tag on profile is about 50%
• Joining with a reputable manager is about 30%

So, it means even though they are reputable managers as long as the project isn't listed yet, there's a potential that the project becomes a scam at the end and the member got nothing or being unpaid, and even them, there's nothing they can do once the project turns out to scam.  They are also a victim.

The reason I stopped being a bounty hunter a long time ago because it seems you're gambling your effort to them for how many months, but if you got lucky, truly reward will come to you.

Quite a ridiculous idea. You know why? Then read this thread BQT & IOU have committed a scam with bounty participants (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5173498.0). Now let me know how many bounty hunters replied there and how many participants were in their campaign? You can see a few reputed users fight there to distribute bounty rewards, but unfortunately, very few original participants were active there. If a project turned into a scam means there is also the responsibility of hunters. Because hunters spread the word and most probably a few investors inspire due to hunters promotion. Who will take this responsibility?

I have noticed there are so many participants even a bounty launched by newbies who don't have the basic knowledge. Hunters don't care if managers are a newbie or reputed. So, how will you prevent such scams? The only way to avoid campaign those is suspicious and handle by non reputed managers. Better is the project escrow funds, but I don't believe it will happen since there is a large number of funds and escrow token is just a useless idea. There is no value to ERC20 or similar tokens until they got listed into a reputed exchange. I prefer reputed managers because at least they have the basic knowledge to assume if the platform is a legit or potential scam, but not guaranteed to. So at least choose a reputed manager to reduce such scams.

How many times I tagged scam project, and bounty hunters kept joining bounty campaign, and then they come few months later crying how they have been scammed, while creator of the bounty was tagged and flagged. No DT member can help you really, in the end its always up to bounty hunters. DYOR and start valuing your own time.


Exactly this. Even if you join bounty campaign with reputable manager, chances of you ending up with nothing of almost nothing are pretty big. Projects can fail to raise enough funds, value of tokens might drastically go down, token distribution can be delayed etc. So many things can go wrong in those few months since you start the campaign and until distribution. It really baffles me that there are so many people who are ready to do that. But then again, majority of work done by bounty hunters is pure garbage with zero reach,  so it really surprises me that altcoin bounty campaigns even exist.

Regarding escrow, I don't think that altcoin projects will ever accept that, at least not majority of them. Even if reputable bounty manager refuses to host such bounty campaign, they will always find someone who will accept anything just to get that job.

Working together will not stop anyone to cheat and nobody forces you to join any bounty campaign and you need to do your own research before joining any of them and look if there is some trusted escrow for funds.
Reputable managers like Hhampuz are always respecting both participants and project owners and I have no complains on them.

Were you actually a victim yourself? If "yes" could give the backstory?

The proper way to fight a non-payment bounty campaign is to stop promoting those worthless token on the internet, even if the total pool token is escrowed the company owner can decide to burn the old tokens and create a new one, making the one with campaign manager worthless and useless. If they can't pay you in stable coin then don't work for them.

This is the thing. How would they will knew if the campaign isn't gonna pay from the start. Stablecoins are good payment even with bitcoin, but I'm telling you some altcoins in the past campaigns gives so much fortune to participants. Only problem here is the clarity of payment nowadays. What you said was happening but its not for every campaign out there especially if its handle by reputable managers like Hhampuz or others known managers.

There will be always a proper way for this in my opinion and its up to the participants as well how they pick a project they will promote to avoid waste of time in certain projects.

If I am not mistaken, the scam is not moderated by the forum. Usually, scammers will be denounced and tagged in this forum. But there's no way to force them to pay you. But once a project is scam, its coins won't have any value, so, what do you need them to pay for  ???

I have met many such projects. But you shouldn't complain. Basically, when you decide to promote a new project, an anonymous project. Meaning you accepted that you could make a lot of money or nothing at all. It's like playing the lottery, if you choose the right number, you win, you choose the wrong number, there's nothing to be sad. My words are not to encourage the deception of those projects, but it is really something, which you must accept once you join.

A lot of people on this forum are willing to help with denunciations and pressure them to make payments. But there is nothing to be sure. You cannot get everyone together against a lottery.

That might be the proper way but unfortunately as long as there are bounty participants jumping at the chance to promote these types of useless coins and tokens, more and more will start creating more and more of them.

At least with a reputable bounty manager receiving BTC in advance and then handling a campaign is the way to do it rather than the company owning and controlling everything including bounty payouts.

I said an escrow should be used to hold the worthless coins at least those bounty hunters would get the shitty tokens in their wallets that's all they care about. But the best way to be careful is not to participate at all.

They preferred not to use a reputable bounty managers, there are several bounty managers out there who collect payment in BTC but yet accept to pay worthless tokens to the hunters, they are well bribed to promote their scam projects

Pretty much I agree on this escrow thing, but sadly most bounty managers won't care as long as they get paid.  I think the blame should be pointed on the bounty managers that are unable to secure the payment for their participants, after all, they are the one who manages and gets paid for the said campaign, except of course for certain special cases such as the manager himself got scammed by the project owner but still, that is debatable.



True but I believe, no one is forced to join a campaign that pays a worthless token and bounty hunters feel good as long as they get paid no matter how worthless the token is so I think it is fine as long as both parties agree.

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Aside from DT tagging the scammer, I think there is nothing else we can do if a project scammed their participants unless a participant is willing to file a criminal case against these scammers. But I am sure it will cost a lot of resources so better to move on and learn from these experiences.

I see. You got your own belief in dont participate at all. Id like your suggestion of an escrow but unfortunately we don't have that kind of people except on those people I knew in the altcoin section doing an assurance for the hunters such as BubbleAlex and Julerz12 these are great managers. But we can't bet that there will always guys like them to guarantee that.

To identify scam, you must be able to prove it by providing accurate evidence about the manager, the project and other detail. I don't think you need to invite all bounty participant to support you here because if you can prove it with valid evidence then the DT member will act. Sometime tagging the scam manager and team will not solve the participant's problem, it is better if the bounty participant must campaign for an anti-project in my opinion.

Sincerely speaking the only support you guys need now is to quit promoting these scam projects around the crypto-world. They have seen and understand the ways tons of thousands need the virtual money to sustain but yet not paid out becasue of their greed's, it's better to stop promote these projects to get back the lost glory. I started from Bounty and never had a good pay which made me consider working on myself for the technology. Never you agreed to work for a project that never want to pay participant in stablecoin, no, not again and problem solve.

I've learned my lesson so hard, dude. It's really frustrating and painful to know that all of our efforts have been useless. I think only spammers and bots who don't care about been scammed or unpaid or whatever the name. The struggle to demand our rights is frustrating and tiring. People might blame us for choosing the wrong project with shitty team members and projects but what If the looked proper one who did it? we really need appropriate media for bounty hunters to channel this disappointment and starting to unite to keep each other.

Doing Bounties is indeed risky, even though some users intend to make research about the project before getting involved they still get shit out of these type of projects,
don't know why would people trust so much on alts especially if the said project doesn't have any unique features to be compared to other existing ones,...
as this is more likely to be a copy by a certain scammer...
Example: https://sovrynapp.co/

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Anyways I doubt anyone can do anything about it (unpaid services) after the said project goes down.
that's why I highly recommend receiving an upfront payment or testing it for a week without putting much effort on it (I did this to all of my past clients on Telegram)

Many senior members and bounty managers are already supporting bounty hunter's cause when it comes to nonpayment, bounty hunters should just post bounty campaign that did not or refuse to pay bounty hunters in the scam section, create a flag and ask DT's or senior members to tag or mark managers and developers of the project, refusing to pay bounty hunters can be considered a scam and should warn potential investors.

Dude, this is the Internet, don't expect fast response when it comes to scams, as if this people are going to move their asses if they aren't affected by the scam, also if the campaigns are a scam, it will be difficult to stop them since they control everything.

good advice ...!!!
but here ...
i suppose everyone is careful to look for a bounty project that we follow with some considerations so that we don't fall into nasty shit
and then; what attitude can we do with them we can't track them with their fox style, whereas bounty hunters more often corner bounty managers for a sticky shit.

This will only really work if people actually stop signing up to unescrowed, shady campaigns.

Trying to report unpaid campaigns ex-post seems barely like a solution - people are still going to sign up to new ones that scam them in the future.

Unfortunately, there is just an oversupply of people who are willing to be exploited due to the massive surplus of high ranking accounts compared to the amount of good paying, legitimate signature campaigns. Participation in dodgy ones become unavoidable.