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Title: Do you like Volatility? Debate
Post by: fiulpro on March 29, 2021, 05:21:48 PM
I wanted to know the general preference of people here. What are your views on Volatility and why ?

-Do You Consider Volatility to be an opportunity Where you can buy more coins and hold them for later
              OR
-Do you think that Volatility is unnecessary and should be leveled to match the market fiats so that Bitcoins can finally be stable and used as a currency.

Let me present my point of view.
(A healthy discussion is greatly appreciated)
-I do think that Volatility is an amazing opportunity to not only gain some Bitcoins but also perfect for interday trading, at the same time for people who did miss the opportunity to buy some at the right time, it gives you an opportunity to make that right. At the same time I do trust that we can always achieve ATH therefore it's also a matter of patience. It's not like you would loose when the value goes down. So if you have : Patience and you did miss your chance, I do think Volatility is a healthy thing for cryptocurrencies like Bitcoins. Then again we don't need to always compare Bitcoins with things like : traditional money 💸 , it's a whole different story.

What do you think ?
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Title: Re: Do you like Volatility? Debate
Post by: The Cryptovator on March 29, 2021, 05:33:20 PM
Let me ask a question, why investors should invest in Bitcoin if it's stable in a place? I know rather than call it to invest more suite is accumulate. But the truth is investors are here to take advantage of volatility. Honestly, they aren't thinking that Bitcoin was created to present a peer to peer electronic money. Why investors and big institutional investors aren't buying or storing USDT? Because it's s stable coin and they wouldn't take advantage of volatility. Bitcoin is the most popular cryptocurrency because of its volatility. Very rarely users are thanking for the technology behind Bitcoin. Of course, I like volatility and that's call trading. Due to trading, we might see volatility on Bitcoin.


Title: Re: Do you like Volatility? Debate
Post by: BlackHatCoiner on March 29, 2021, 05:43:16 PM
You should be aware of the words you're using.

-Do you think that Volatility is unnecessary and should be leveled to match the market fiats so that Bitcoins can finally be stable and used as a currency.
You're saying that if it's not volatile, it can finally be used as a currency, concluding that it can't be used right now. Sure, the mining fees and the price fluctuations make it hard to work as a currency, but since people accept it as a medium of exchange, then it's a currency. (Now if it's a good or a bad one is a different topic)

Let me correct something that I personally find miswritten: If people saw it as a currency it'd have a stable price, not the opposite! It couldn't have mysteriously stable price and people would then see it differently. The majority of the people and their wallets decide "bitcoin's fate". If they believe that it'd be much better as an investment, then price will go ↑↓.

I'd personally be satisfied if the price stopped being that fluctuating, even if we all know that it'll bypass much higher numbers in the future.



Let me ask a question, why investors should invest in Bitcoin if it's stable in a place?
Why should they invest?


Title: Re: Do you like Volatility? Debate
Post by: Bilgent on March 29, 2021, 05:44:48 PM
As I think that Bitcoin has nothing to do with being used as the currency of countries, I like the volatility in Bitcoin. Because I'm also a HODLer and really love making a good profit in the long run. Of course, there is always a risk for the price to come down to zero. So, we need to follow the price movements time to time for preparing ourselves better.


Title: Re: Do you like Volatility? Debate
Post by: Sterbens on March 29, 2021, 05:51:23 PM
i would say that i like volatility.
the reason is because volatility means that I feel the possible risk received will vary and provide opportunities for further movements. and in cryptocurrency volatility is very important as a measure of risk of loss and profit. rather than low volatility, it doesn't really provide the true characteristics of a cryptocurrency.

So it is very natural for bitcoins with the level of volatility that is going on at the moment, although some do not accept it because they have not accumulated a large amount of bitcoins. However, with that bitcoin's characteristics became even more prominent.

The most appropriate option for dealing with the continuing high surge in bitcoin prices in the future is earning interest as a method of passive income.


Title: Re: Do you like Volatility? Debate
Post by: jonval21 on March 29, 2021, 05:59:32 PM
I think that volatility is what gives the best life to bitcoin, many do not like to deal with volatility but it is what differs from all markets, you can get big profits if you have good luck taking advantage of volatility, I have a friend who managed Buying a car by making a good option that went from one day to the next, had a profit of + 40%. Bitcoin is the safest way to obtain financial freedom.

Some have been impoverished by volatility, they fall into despair and cannot succeed, but I think that luck plays a very important role here as well.


Title: Re: Do you like Volatility? Debate
Post by: pinggoki on March 29, 2021, 06:08:14 PM
Before answering this question, let's analyze first the situation just like for example the investors. Do you think that investors will adopt bitcoin or cryptocurrency if it is in a stable manner in which it would be like fiat without any movement? If yes then probably those investors will not inherit the successful in investing here in bitcoin. One of the main reason why investors are investing in bitcoin is because of it's volatility and also it may helps them to make other transactions through the help of it.


Title: Re: Do you like Volatility? Debate
Post by: bL4nkcode on March 29, 2021, 06:16:00 PM
Volatility is the reason why there are more traders in particular market, without huge or enough volatility just like a local stocks in a third world country, its boring.


Title: Re: Do you like Volatility? Debate
Post by: ShowOff on March 29, 2021, 06:23:08 PM
Volatility is required for asset that can't be controlled by anyone or asset that are decentralized. Bitcoin is one of the most popular among many decentralized crypto, so without volatility there is no chance for trader to make a profit. Trader and investor need volatility beside that they also need the technology that is in it. I assume that volatility is the most important part of decentralized asset because without volatility, I don't think we need an exchange. Bitcoin has become a business field for investor who believe that it can give them profit, volatility arises due to the influence of supply and demand.


Title: Re: Do you like Volatility? Debate
Post by: Marvelman on March 29, 2021, 06:23:38 PM
For me personally I never really had the understanding of Volatility until I bought BTC a few months ago.
I thought it was so nice to see that my investment saw a 5% gain in value over a 4 hour period. I was like "what the heck is this all about?" That day I decided to research and research and more research. I read a few books, sat down with a bunch of the crypto guys and listened to stories of what Bitcoin does and how its making people millionaires. I loved every bit of it.

I don't mind BTC volatility much, the only thing is that with Bitcoin everything is too high stakes and you don't really know how the markets will react. Having the right knowledge on BTC and how to research it from a technical perspective will get you ahead of the competition.


Title: Re: Do you like Volatility? Debate
Post by: TedMosby on March 29, 2021, 06:27:02 PM
Personally, I love the volatility.
I agree with you, it gives us an opportunity. Many of crypto users are still here on this industry because of the gains, not the technology. I always wonder what will happen when crypto price becomes more stable. Let say the fluctuation rate only 1-3% a day. I believe most of crypto users will leave crypto trading. Only big players will settle with that situation. You can see how the hype increase when crypto price is up/down significantly. Some people take the advantages of that situation, they wait for that moment. At that time, the cryptocurrencies moves from one hand to the other hands.


Title: Re: Do you like Volatility? Debate
Post by: aoluain on March 29, 2021, 06:44:05 PM
I think that volatility is what gives the best life to bitcoin, many do not like to deal with volatility but it is what differs from all markets, you can get big profits if you have good luck taking advantage of volatility, I have a friend who managed Buying a car by making a good option that went from one day to the next, had a profit of + 40%. Bitcoin is the safest way to obtain financial freedom.

Some have been impoverished by volatility, they fall into despair and cannot succeed, but I think that luck plays a very important role here as well.

Bitcoin and volatility go hand in hand. I wouldnt be surprised if a lot of
Wall Street traders dabble in Bitcoin, where else can traders potentially
make big gains on a monthly basis and other gains daily.

Look at this month and last month where towards the end of the month Bitcoin
falls and promotes the tag of being "Volatile" what other market can regularly
provide traders and Hodlers the opportunity to make gains of up to 25% per trade?

We who practice Dollar Cost Averaging are also happy with volatility.


Title: Re: Do you like Volatility? Debate
Post by: Smartvirus on March 29, 2021, 06:54:59 PM
I sure do, lol, i do. It's one of the most distinctive factor of cryptocurrency from the regular fiat currency. Bitcoin or cryptocurrency volatility is very beneficial to crypyo investors as it could at some point determine when its best to enter the market on a buy and sell at another point to get return in investments (ROI). Its really, really usefuand I wonder what would have been the fate of bitcoin or cryptocurrencies without volatility. It would just look like another stable coin and we all know stable coin are used mainly as a store of value. That wouldn't be the fate of bitcoin, nope, never. It won't go down so well on investors and crypto enthusiast.


Title: Re: Do you like Volatility? Debate
Post by: Swordsoffreedom on March 29, 2021, 07:01:14 PM
Bitcoin has become precious for its volatility. I think because you don't have the right idea about Volatility, makes you frightened about it. Bitcoin's volatility means, how massive the price can move. It can happen in any direction that depends on demand and total supply.

Fiat is less volatile cause when govt assumes any uncertainty they can print more money to stabilize the uncertainty. But Bitcoin has limited supply that's why demand is increasing day by day and the result is crazy upward movement.

Investors like grayscale, MicroStrategy, Tesla, and we(small traders) are taking this advantage to hybrid our portfolio.


Title: Re: Do you like Volatility? Debate
Post by: slapper on March 29, 2021, 07:09:28 PM
Volatility is needed in order for bitcoin to be recognized. In fact, I still like bitcoin to rise up and down like this because it is a good chance for people to make money. Even gold which is believed to be stable still gain a huge value during the recession and the pandemic. From my perspective, it is hard for bitcoin to become a stable currency because people only see it as a safe haven to against not just the inflation but also the government and its centralization


Title: Re: Do you like Volatility? Debate
Post by: AmoreJaz on March 29, 2021, 11:41:28 PM
Bitcoin has become precious for its volatility. I think because you don't have the right idea about Volatility, makes you frightened about it. Bitcoin's volatility means, how massive the price can move. It can happen in any direction that depends on demand and total supply.

Fiat is less volatile cause when govt assumes any uncertainty they can print more money to establish the uncertainty. But Bitcoin has limited supply that's why demand is increasing day by day and the result is crazy upward movement.

Investors like grayscale, MicroStrategy, Tesla, and we(small traders) are taking this advantage to hybrid our portfolio.

yes, indeed! volatility is one of the major reasons why people are attracted to bitcoin. and that is true to most alts as well. volatility is like the attached feature in most cryptocurrencies, of course with the exception of stable coins. and such feature is the reason why traders are getting into this market, otherwise, they will just stay to the forex market and the likes, where movement is not that drastic.
imo, volatility is the unique factor in crypto. this is what it sets apart from fiat-based markets.


Title: Re: Do you like Volatility? Debate
Post by: Johnyz on March 29, 2021, 11:47:42 PM
I like it or not I cannot control the market and I have to deal with the volatility because that what makes cryptomarket more profitable compare to other market.

We have to learn how to ride the volatility in order for us to make money so if you think you can’t handle those volatility better not to trade and just play long term holding.


Title: Re: Do you like Volatility? Debate
Post by: chaser15 on March 29, 2021, 11:57:41 PM
Volatility is one of the big reasons why there are lots of investors not just in Bitcoin but for other cryptos as well.

We should accept the fact that bitcoin is more treated as an investment rather than a currency so everything up to this point, bitcoin's price doesn't have the real established price. Bitcoin also won't be popular if the market is not volatile.

I like the volatility, even it sometimes wrecked my plan, but that's the thing I already used to see since I entered the crypto world.


Title: Re: Do you like Volatility? Debate
Post by: LUCKMCFLY on March 30, 2021, 04:54:59 AM
Volatility whether they like it or not if they enter the Bitcoin market and cryptocurrencies must accept it, here in the same way there is for everyone, those who like stability, can go and buy USDT, BUSD, among others, or some Gold in the form digital if they like to follow the price of gold mixed with Blockchain technology.

Volatility for many can be a double-edged sword, just as you can have a touch of luck, it can ruin a plan causing you to lose your funds, I know many friends who before going to sleep change what they have in BTC for USDT, I respect that decision but I do not share it, I prefer to leave it in Bitcoin despite its volatility, if it falls in price, the best strategy is to wait until it recovers and rises much more.


Title: Re: Do you like Volatility? Debate
Post by: Kittygalore on March 30, 2021, 05:07:34 AM
Volatility whether they like it or not if they enter the Bitcoin market and cryptocurrencies must accept it, here in the same way there is for everyone, those who like stability, can go and buy USDT, BUSD, among others, or some Gold in the form digital if they like to follow the price of gold mixed with Blockchain technology.

Volatility for many can be a double-edged sword, just as you can have a touch of luck, it can ruin a plan causing you to lose your funds, I know many friends who before going to sleep change what they have in BTC for USDT, I respect that decision but I do not share it, I prefer to leave it in Bitcoin despite its volatility, if it falls in price, the best strategy is to wait until it recovers and rises much more.
Volatility is present in stock market too so there is no escape in that attribute, and as @LUCKMCFLY says, we just have to accept it which is the most reasonable thing to do because it is out of your control and the only way to make money out of it is to utilize that volatility in your favor because with volatility you can make more money because you know that it is going to go down anytime soon but you have to know when to buy because you might get the bad card and you will get left behind.


Title: Re: Do you like Volatility? Debate
Post by: Wexnident on March 30, 2021, 05:59:13 AM
I'd personally be satisfied right now if the market of Bitcoin stabilized since that would most likely result in an increase in adoption since the risks would be lowered compared to the current state. That doesn't mean that the current volatility is wrong. If anything, I suppose the current volatility just dictates the possibilities that Bitcoin posses (which may increase more anyhow). Sides, I fully expect for the market to actually stabilize once the supply stops increasing as well as the foundation of Bitcoin is solidly built. I suppose Bitcoin is highly volatile in the first place since many people ignored it back then, but it wasn't limited by such opinions and has continued to develop to where it is today.


Title: Re: Do you like Volatility? Debate
Post by: michellee on March 30, 2021, 08:55:59 AM
I like the volatility of bitcoin price because as a trader, that can be the way for me to buy low and sell high, although I can not always get that time to trade. But so far, I am still trying to do that, and the result is good for me. If people worry about the volatility, they can only buy bitcoin and hold it and not use it for trading because that can profit the future.

As long as we know how to deal with the volatility, we can take a chance to buy low and sell high and make a profit. We need to learn more about trading so we can get benefits from the volatility. The volatility happens to altcoin, which can be additional profit if we can use the volatility to have more chances to profit.


Title: Re: Do you like Volatility? Debate
Post by: jrrsparkles on March 30, 2021, 12:08:22 PM
Without volatility there will be no profits so as an investor everyone looks to invest on assets which are speculative. In cryptocurrency the volatility range determines the day of traders because they can easily make 5% profits with constant sideway movements like what is happening in the market right now.


Title: Re: Do you like Volatility? Debate
Post by: ven7net on March 30, 2021, 12:48:00 PM
As far as I understand, BTC was invented for the free market, which means that BTC should not have restrictions on its use and its state. And so if we are talking about a free market, then the price of BTC should be volatile, because in the free market there are both ordinary traders and speculators who, in turn, play with the price. Whether it is good or bad, everyone decides for himself, but if we say that this is bad, then BTC needs regulation, with the help of which the price of BTC can be stabilized. I believe that volatility is good for BTC at the moment, as it gives everyone the opportunity to earn money.


Title: Re: Do you like Volatility? Debate
Post by: Renampun on March 30, 2021, 01:47:57 PM
yes, I like volatility...
I think it has something to do with logic, how can you make a profit, if investing in a stable coin/token. volatility is needed for you to make a profit. stable coin/token is only suitable for 'payment' only.


Title: Re: Do you like Volatility? Debate
Post by: blckhawk on March 30, 2021, 02:29:09 PM
Personally, I like the volatility in this market however, it is likely a double-edged sword as it can work on your side but at the same time could also be your enemy. Anyway, I think that is one of the main reasons why investors choose to place their money in Crypto is because of volatility. Imagine Bitcoin being a stable coin do you think investors would bother to invest in that kind of asset? No, volatility what makes Bitcoin attractive because this brings profit, yes it could be risky but if you know what you are doing you'll be fine.


Title: Re: Do you like Volatility? Debate
Post by: isaac_clarke22 on March 30, 2021, 02:35:55 PM
Let me ask a question, why investors should invest in Bitcoin if it's stable in a place? I know rather than call it to invest more suite is accumulate. But the truth is investors are here to take advantage of volatility. Honestly, they aren't thinking that Bitcoin was created to present a peer to peer electronic money. Why investors and big institutional investors aren't buying or storing USDT? Because it's s stable coin and they wouldn't take advantage of volatility. Bitcoin is the most popular cryptocurrency because of its volatility. Very rarely users are thanking for the technology behind Bitcoin. Of course, I like volatility and that's call trading. Due to trading, we might see volatility on Bitcoin.
This.
This is half of the reason why I invested aside from the convenience stuffs that Bitcoin can do in a simple transaction without having to go out of my house.
The instability becomes an opportunity for everyone to invest in here though that is surely a double-edged sword for anyone, maybe except the whales.
Price could fall either down or up.

USDT is, of course, a stablecoin. There ain't profits into it. It could be a temporary safe haven from all the profits made from trading.


Title: Re: Do you like Volatility? Debate
Post by: darewaller on March 30, 2021, 03:47:36 PM
I do enjoy a bit of volatility, it allows me to see what bitcoin could be, it allows me to see where we are with the market as well. When you see 43k and when you see 60k you know the bottoms and the peaks, that allows you to move easily.

Of course, I didn't take advantage of it too much because I do not trade too much but I did made 2 very good trades, it was for small amount so I didn't earn anything that matters, I just have fun with trading so the money was nothing, I think it was 30 dollars from one and 52 dollars from the other, so it was very small and just for fun but it was good to actually trade and make a profit from it. At the end of the day we are talking about something that is risky and I understand some people may not like that, I get it, but I still think that we are doing much better with volatility instead of trying to be stable.


Title: Re: Do you like Volatility? Debate
Post by: geegaw on March 30, 2021, 03:48:12 PM
Personally, I like the volatility in this market however, it is likely a double-edged sword as it can work on your side but at the same time could also be your enemy. Anyway, I think that is one of the main reasons why investors choose to place their money in Crypto is because of volatility. Imagine Bitcoin being a stable coin do you think investors would bother to invest in that kind of asset? No, volatility what makes Bitcoin attractive because this brings profit, yes it could be risky but if you know what you are doing you'll be fine.
If I don't look wrong, you are not a lonely person here, daily volatility is what investors want from this market, it can go up or down over time but at least, the market needs such fluctuations to make money, even though this is a double-edged sword and can be stabbed into our flesh and souls, we do not hesitate to accept this knife. Volatility is the most distinctive thing the crypto market has, as soon as this nature no longer exists, investors will turn to gold or real estate immediately but it is relatively gratifying that crypto has always maintained its tradition and nature


Title: Re: Do you like Volatility? Debate
Post by: danherbias07 on March 30, 2021, 03:48:37 PM
Same as yours.
Volatility offers chance to others.
It's not just traders who will have chance to make money out of it. Besides, they are still risking their choices there.
But for those who have sold at an early price, (like me) it gives hope that you could always buy back.
It may take months or years, but there is always that opportunity you are clinging unto.


Title: Re: Do you like Volatility? Debate
Post by: imstillthebest on March 30, 2021, 04:16:39 PM
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I wanted to know the general preference of people here. What are your views on Volatility and why ?
my views on volatility is it can be your buddy or archenemy why because it helps you earn when the price is at the top but it makes you loose when the price is at the bottom

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Do You Consider Volatility to be an opportunity Where you can buy more coins and hold them for later
my explanation above tells that im not buying at the bottom
    
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Do you think that Volatility is unnecessary and should be leveled to match the market fiats so that Bitcoins can finally be stable and used as a currency.
volatility has a bad side but its not unecesary . no need for it to level like a fiat because  crypto isnt a fiat and btc is long time recognize as a currency


Title: Re: Do you like Volatility? Debate
Post by: Jemzx00 on March 30, 2021, 05:20:00 PM
Without the volatility of price on crypto, there wouldn't be any trading happening and the same goes to financial market or stocks. There would be no point if the price is stable as the market will stay the same even if you hold it on the long run or the short run. It's more like savings rather than trading.

Also, the volatility on bitcoin will keep on happening as long as there are demands on the market. The amount being mined is also a factor of this volatility due to it's maximum circulation not yet being met. We might be able to see a more stable market on bitcoin when all of the bitcoin is mined as the amount of bitcoin will be more controlled due to it's limited amount.


Title: Re: Do you like Volatility? Debate
Post by: abel1337 on March 30, 2021, 09:47:23 PM
Volatility is one of the greatest characteristics of crypto. I can identify crypto as a volatile market as it is compared to other markets and that is why I stayed in this market for so long. As long as you can take advantage and you know what it means to enter a volatile market. Before crypto, we have a stock market and this stock market has relatively low volatility, So investors before doesn't have an option to switch in a face-paced market. High volatility is one of the reasons why other investors go to the crypto market.


Title: Re: Do you like Volatility? Debate
Post by: Stedsm on March 30, 2021, 09:58:29 PM
IMHO, volatility is too good if it's two-sided, but if a trend is going on, then this volatility isn't that enjoyable and entertaining. And yeah, I really enjoy the opportunities it gives us by shaking the markets and giving us dips to buy lower which may not be the case if BTC goes to much higher levels and stabilizes as then, the whole thing will be in the hands of a very limited set of people who will then move the markets with their money in their desired direction.


Title: Re: Do you like Volatility? Debate
Post by: gabbie2010 on March 31, 2021, 05:25:53 AM
A trader equipped with a working strategy ( note their is no Grail strategy) ie perfect one, will need a high volatility of the price provided that such a trader is using a higher time frame for trading with minimum of 1 hour time frame where the volatility rate is moderate unlike the lower time where is faster with too much noise.
A moderate volatility with a higher timeframe will guarantee profits taken at the appropriate time although losses is inevitable unlike scalp trading that can lead to rekting of an account and many losses.


Title: Re: Do you like Volatility? Debate
Post by: kolbalish on March 31, 2021, 04:37:21 PM
I like volatility very much. Because it is an unstable position. If crypto is stable then everything will operate at the same momentum. And there is no advantage in working in this world if you stride at one momentum. Profits are rendered by working in a volatile market.


Title: Re: Do you like Volatility? Debate
Post by: famososMuertos on March 31, 2021, 05:36:40 PM
That volatility is also in traditional markets, and they unleash passions just the same, it all depends on the units of the shares you own, 1% may in terms of prices for example be "straw" compared to the "natural" volatility of the bitcoin, the point is that the losses and gains occur in both markets and are the "soul" of the investment,  well, volatility is there and is not a matter of taste or belief , it is an investment decision.



Title: Re: Do you like Volatility? Debate
Post by: MCobian on April 01, 2021, 08:55:47 AM
I am sure most members of this forum like volatility, because indeed most people like Bitcoin as an asset, because it can make money. Of course
I really like Bitcoin its volatile too, this is my chance to be able to make profit every day from Bitcoin trading. But if people who use Bitcoin as
a means of payment must be very disappointed with the volatility, so actually back to each person what they use Bitcoin for.


Title: Re: Do you like Volatility? Debate
Post by: Swopon on April 03, 2021, 04:26:42 PM
Yeah, definitely.
This is integrity. Any marketplace is volatile, prices are always fluctuating. Without such a sense of volatility, the work is not finished and the result is not worth it. People do not evaluate the stable thing well. Not everyone guesses that the profit will be the same here, it is not inclined to increase. Since people expect more profit and do not wish to keep up in the stable market, they go after the plunge. I am no exception. So I like volatility.


Title: Re: Do you like Volatility? Debate
Post by: RealMalatesta on April 03, 2021, 05:02:24 PM
-Do You Consider Volatility to be an opportunity Where you can buy more coins and hold them for later
              OR
-Do you think that Volatility is unnecessary and should be leveled to match the market fiats so that Bitcoins can finally be stable and used as a currency.
It seems that you are missing another scenario like gradual appreciation of bitcoin rather than having wide fluctuations. Yes, it is different from being stable. Being stable is always having same value whereas gradual appreciation is something we all want to have without going down time to time.

We like or not, all the commodities are having volatile nature because of its price influencing factors. I'm sure bitcoin will never have stable value even after all 21 million bitcoin mined out. Because, even after centuries of adoption gold is not attaining stable price but relatively stable because of wide adoption hence same thing will be applicable for bitcoin as well. Bitcoin will remain volatile and the level of volatility may differ over the course of time.

So, we must need to like the volatile nature of bitcoin regardless of we are making use of that volatile nature for our profit making or not.


Title: Re: Do you like Volatility? Debate
Post by: teosanru on April 03, 2021, 06:47:35 PM
I wanted to know the general preference of people here. What are your views on Volatility and why ?

-Do You Consider Volatility to be an opportunity Where you can buy more coins and hold them for later
              OR
-Do you think that Volatility is unnecessary and should be leveled to match the market fiats so that Bitcoins can finally be stable and used as a currency.

Let me present my point of view.
(A healthy discussion is greatly appreciated)
-I do think that Volatility is an amazing opportunity to not only gain some Bitcoins but also perfect for interday trading, at the same time for people who did miss the opportunity to buy some at the right time, it gives you an opportunity to make that right. At the same time I do trust that we can always achieve ATH therefore it's also a matter of patience. It's not like you would loose when the value goes down. So if you have : Patience and you did miss your chance, I do think Volatility is a healthy thing for cryptocurrencies like Bitcoins. Then again we don't need to always compare Bitcoins with things like : traditional money 💸 , it's a whole different story.

What do you think ?
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I think there is no one answer to this question but I think volatility is good only until the humans are on the battlefield of trading. But the current scenario is too different. It's not only humans competing in trading. It's Bots & algos which are competing against you. A speed of a bot executing a code is going to be too fast when you would compare it to a human putting in the same command. These bots are their play is what is bringing a high level of volatility in the market. Now if you create your own algorithm to compete against them then you are good otherwise I am sure Volatility is a big killer. Bots don't have emotons they don't fall for FOMO or FUD but humans after seeing the huge volatility do fall for them which creates big issues. So volatility isn't a good thing as per me.


Title: Re: Do you like Volatility? Debate
Post by: Shasha80 on April 03, 2021, 10:36:23 PM
Because I am one of those who like crypto trading, so I really expect volatile prices. Without volatile prices it is very difficult to make a profit,
which is why many forex traders are now starting to try crypto trading. Because the volatile crypto price can bring profit every day, especially
the Bitcoin price this year is very volatile. So I really like volatility, even with crypto prices which are very volatile this year I managed to get
a sizeable profit. Because to get 3% profit per day is very easy to get this year, it's different when 2020 is more difficult to make a profit
compared to this year.


Title: Re: Do you like Volatility? Debate
Post by: Luqman on April 03, 2021, 11:57:25 PM
Sure, volatility means the chance to get big profits. It is absolutely what we are looking for in crypto investment. Without volatility in Bitcoin or altcoins, I doubt if many people will be interested to join. People surely prefer to choose real investments like Gold or Land if no volatility in crypto. But since crypto has big volatility, people know it is a chance for them to gain bigger profits. Even if it is risky, people will join for the potential profits they can get.


Title: Re: Do you like Volatility? Debate
Post by: LUCKMCFLY on April 04, 2021, 01:34:34 AM
Sure, volatility means the chance to get big profits. It is absolutely what we are looking for in crypto investment. Without volatility in Bitcoin or altcoins, I doubt if many people will be interested to join. People surely prefer to choose real investments like Gold or Land if no volatility in crypto. But since crypto has big volatility, people know it is a chance for them to gain bigger profits. Even if it is risky, people will join for the potential profits they can get.


I agree with your thinking, cryptocurrencies are an alternative to make money quickly, some want to make a profit quickly, if a person invests in Bitcoin and lets a good time pass without touching that investment, it is most likely that it has a really high price In fiduciary value, at least higher than when it was bought, of course, there is the option that lowers the price a little and does not give a profit as fast or that it even drops in price for a while, the important thing is to know how to wait and be patient.

When a person tries to invest in the Stock Market, they must be aware that they must wait at least 8 to 10 years to see if they make a profit, in bitcoin or cryptocurrencies following the stages of Accumulation and Distribution of the market they usually have a wait of 3-4 years This market is much faster, therefore volatility must be taken advantage of.


Title: Re: Do you like Volatility? Debate
Post by: CryptopreneurBrainboss on April 04, 2021, 01:46:47 AM
People surely prefer to choose real investments like Gold or Land if no volatility in crypto. But since crypto has big volatility, people know it is a chance for them to gain bigger profits. Even if it is risky, people will join for the potential profits they can get.


Humans love gambling and the volatility in cryptocurency present similar feeling of gambling on the outcome of the market with a chance of gaining massive profits if there prediction goes right. You'll hardly see anyone settling for small daily profits compared to investing in some roundom new idea that comes into the market been hyped to be the next big thing.

The love for volatility is the reason we have so many altcoins in the market if not we would had focus on maximizing the small percentage you can get from trading Bitcoin. The volatility of cryptocurency is its selling point as with high volatility creates rooms for huge profit to be made but that doesn't mean you can't suffer loss too which is why we have to be cautious in our decision making.


Title: Re: Do you like Volatility? Debate
Post by: Zilon on April 04, 2021, 04:03:53 AM
Volatility is a key factor that adds value to the crypto pairs. Bitcoin is highly volatile and since most time traders runs out in losses it's, it would be more preferred to use the high volatility of Bitcoin as an opportunity to HODL bitcoin rather than trade them with exception to high wallet size owners. A trader with smaller account size example (BTC0.0003452) would most likely have his stop limit triggered before moving towards the predicted trend. Larger account size example (BTC 0.5) upward could even hold a trade and cross it to the next day if his analysis are right. Reasons been that market moves in two direction irrespective of the trend
  • Impulsive
  • Corrective
Knowing when to buy and sell with well structured analysis would add increase the profit margin of the trader


Title: Re: Do you like Volatility? Debate
Post by: AicecreaME on April 04, 2021, 01:44:16 PM
It depends to be honest, sometimes I do hate it because if I need money and I need to cash out something, I can't, because I don't want to lose my profit in the long run, so I wait, sometimes I don't if it's an emergency. But most of the time I could say I like volatility as an opportunity to make profits in the long run, whether it's bearish market or a bull market, it doesn't really matter as long as you know when to enter and exit a trade, you'll be safe.


Title: Re: Do you like Volatility? Debate
Post by: Ridwan Fauzi on April 04, 2021, 02:46:37 PM
In one side volatility is good to get profit quickly, as an example you trade with low time frame like 15 minutes and if the market is volatile then you just need several hours to reach the target price that you predict. Different, if you make an entry with the volatility market is low then you may need long time to get reach the target price that you want.

But, in other side the volatile market is not suitable for long term investment especially if you use future market, you may lose your money in a few times. As an example you use high time frame like 4 hours and you have intention to trade swing trade because the market is volatile and you use cut lose target is close from you buy/sell entry then you will lose your money.


Title: Re: Do you like Volatility? Debate
Post by: qwertyup23 on April 04, 2021, 04:42:52 PM
That is one of the primary reasons on why most investors include cryptocurrencies in their investment portfolio as they can be a perfect instrument for short-term investments or for day trading.

Unlike stocks, the value of cryptocurrencies are very volatile as they happen every single of the day. Unlike in stocks where there is a designated time for the market, cryptocurrencies are being traded every single minute which explains its high volatility. Despite its volatility, this may can be a double-edged sword especially if you enter the market on its peak.



Title: Re: Do you like Volatility? Debate
Post by: roosbit on April 04, 2021, 05:53:34 PM
Having seen people trade news via fundamental trading which is a volatile time and has shown traders to come out profitable at these times, I can say volatility is very good for trading!

You don't want markets which look like they are on holiday waiting for markets to open, trade when markets are volatile they always pay both sellers and buyers!!


Title: Re: Do you like Volatility? Debate
Post by: tbterryboy on April 04, 2021, 08:07:49 PM
I do think that Volatility is an amazing opportunity to not only gain some Bitcoins but also perfect for interday trading, at the same time for people who did miss the opportunity to buy some at the right time, it gives you an opportunity to make that right. At the same time I do trust that we can always achieve ATH therefore it's also a matter of patience. It's not like you would loose when the value goes down. So if you have : Patience and you did miss your chance, I do think Volatility is a healthy thing for cryptocurrencies like Bitcoins. Then again we don't need to always compare Bitcoins with things like : traditional money 💸 , it's a whole different story.

What do you think ?
I have to be honest about this, I am in a sort of dilemma about this subject. I am not a person who trades a lot, I usually invest and let it be and I am not planning on selling so for me it could just go up forever and never down, straight arrow up without ever going down and that would be fine with me. However I know that can't happen, so I rather have the last 6 months to continue for another 60 years and that would be great, even if that is not going to happen neither I am just hoping for it.

However I also support unregulated markets and currency that could be used anyway we want and no governments getting involved as well, even though more and more countries do get involved we at least have something we could say ours here with decentralization, yet that causes some of the volatility itself. So, I am not sure what I like but I am fine with the current situation, let's leave it at that.


Title: Re: Do you like Volatility? Debate
Post by: carlfebz2 on April 04, 2021, 08:52:15 PM
Having seen people trade news via fundamental trading which is a volatile time and has shown traders to come out profitable at these times, I can say volatility is very good for trading!

You don't want markets which look like they are on holiday waiting for markets to open, trade when markets are volatile they always pay both sellers and buyers!!
Im a forex/stocks trader and thats one of the reason on why i transferred and focused more on crypto market than into those traditional markets because of that volatility.

Yes, it might be riskier but its more rewarding and really worth for the risk you do put on plus having that decentralized characteristic where you can make out deposits without
any need of using your card or bank.

This market wont really make this big if that level of volatility doesnt exist or on the minimal just like into those traditional markets.


Title: Re: Do you like Volatility? Debate
Post by: btc-facebook on April 04, 2021, 11:59:57 PM
Yes, volatility is very helpful, especially for day trading, it is very easy to find profit there, but of course we must not forget the risk, right :)
high risk, high return, if the profit you get is large, but the risk is also greater, so this also needs to be considered and also taken into account when doing day trading, especially for novice traders who are not familiar with money management and risk management.


Title: Re: Do you like Volatility? Debate
Post by: Sinjokubhi on April 05, 2021, 01:44:25 AM
I wanted to know the general preference of people here. What are your views on Volatility and why ?

-Do You Consider Volatility to be an opportunity Where you can buy more coins and hold them for later
              OR
-Do you think that Volatility is unnecessary and should be leveled to match the market fiats so that Bitcoins can finally be stable and used as a currency.

Let me present my point of view.
(A healthy discussion is greatly appreciated)
-I do think that Volatility is an amazing opportunity to not only gain some Bitcoins but also perfect for interday trading, at the same time for people who did miss the opportunity to buy some at the right time, it gives you an opportunity to make that right. At the same time I do trust that we can always achieve ATH therefore it's also a matter of patience. It's not like you would loose when the value goes down. So if you have : Patience and you did miss your chance, I do think Volatility is a healthy thing for cryptocurrencies like Bitcoins. Then again we don't need to always compare Bitcoins with things like : traditional money 💸 , it's a whole different story.

What do you think ?
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Yeah, I like volatility, because given how important it is. Because with volatility we can find out how the action we have to take, we should buy and hold, or even sell, you can find out through the volatility that is happening at that time. In my opinion, here are some important things about volatility.

1. Volatility is referred to as "the state of the market"
Volatility is a change in price that shows market fluctuations in a certain period. Because with this we can see prices can jump up or even fall down, which means that there is high volatility. Meanwhile, when the market is calm, it means that there is low volatility where none of the sellers and buyers dominate the market.

2. Profit opportunity is directly proportional to risk opportunity
When there is high volatility, you will get a big profit opportunity because the price will move far from the previous closing price. However, this is directly proportional to your risk opportunities because no one can hold and predict market movements. This is when your stop loss comes into play.

3. Use of stop losses
"Cut your losses short and let your profits run"

I think this adage is applicable when the market is in high volatility conditions and profit opportunities are directly proportional to risk opportunities, so that you can anticipate uncontrollable losses you can place a stop loss position that is smaller than your target profit level.

4. Fundamentals affect volatility
Volatility increases when there is new news that is different from market expectations when data is released from one of the important activities in the economic market. Brokers usually provide an Economic Calendar to inform you of the data release schedule for important activities that can trigger increased volatility. Such as the United States Economic Data which can have a big influence as a determinant of market sentiment.

5. Volatility is a trader's main focus
Take advantage of high volatility when trading every day (overlap) where market liquidity is high or when important news is released such as US economic data. Meanwhile, low volatility will occur during national holidays such as Christmas, Thanksgiving, New Year, and others.


Title: Re: Do you like Volatility? Debate
Post by: isaac_clarke22 on April 05, 2021, 10:20:20 AM
People surely prefer to choose real investments like Gold or Land if no volatility in crypto. But since crypto has big volatility, people know it is a chance for them to gain bigger profits. Even if it is risky, people will join for the potential profits they can get.


Humans love gambling and the volatility in cryptocurency present similar feeling of gambling on the outcome of the market with a chance of gaining massive profits if there prediction goes right. You'll hardly see anyone settling for small daily profits compared to investing in some roundom new idea that comes into the market been hyped to be the next big thing.

The love for volatility is the reason we have so many altcoins in the market if not we would had focus on maximizing the small percentage you can get from trading Bitcoin. The volatility of cryptocurency is its selling point as with high volatility creates rooms for huge profit to be made but that doesn't mean you can't suffer loss too which is why we have to be cautious in our decision making.
Right. Though in my case, I have different feeling when I say gambling for some reason.
When I hear gambling, I hear something that I throw something then get double or nothing from what I had thrown.

I gotta admit that I invested here in Bitcoin partially for its value and its utility, while the utility leads in over my reasoning.
Even though there are plenty of altcoins in the market, I never tread in those coins a lot.


Title: Re: Do you like Volatility? Debate
Post by: pankowri on April 05, 2021, 12:14:23 PM
Devoid volatility how can be cryptocurrency, volatility is the main characteristics of cryptocurrencies. Suppose the crypto market is nonvolatile then why you invest in crypto and what will accomplish from your investment or how to get the possibility to financially self-reliant. But this is the true crypto market is highly volatile if there scams and speculation minimise then high volatility will decrease as normal.


Title: Re: Do you like Volatility? Debate
Post by: Ararbermas on April 05, 2021, 01:04:40 PM
Volatility is the most important when it comes cyrpto currency because without such things it will become a stable coin in the market .. And there's no reason to invest in it.. Just waste of time.. How investors can make profits? Seems good to choose real investment in my opinion if there's no volatility in crypto currency because for sure there's a good return. Just saying..


Title: Re: Do you like Volatility? Debate
Post by: Myleschetty on April 05, 2021, 02:56:06 PM
Honestly, no genuine cryptocurrency enthusiast will dislike the volatility of the crypto market because the volatility in nature of the market is one of the reasons why the crypto market experienced an unexpected ATH price.


Title: Re: Do you like Volatility? Debate
Post by: fullhdpixel on April 05, 2021, 04:33:02 PM
Honestly, no genuine cryptocurrency enthusiast will dislike the volatility of the crypto market because the volatility in nature of the market is one of the reasons why the crypto market experienced an unexpected ATH price.
But people are referring the ups and downs of market by volatility which got nothing to do achieving ATH. I mean that market can move steadily toward ATH without going ups and downs randomly. So, I am not ready to accept that the all crypto people are liking volatile nature of bitcoins. Still, none of us got nothing to do with volatile nature of cryptos; it will remain as it is today until main stream adoption of cryptos will be happening.

Volatility is the most important when it comes cyrpto currency because without such things it will become a stable coin in the market .. And there's no reason to invest in it.. Just waste of time.
No, without volatile also crypto investments will be profitable if it grows steadily over the time. No stocks/commodities are trading like that. But, being non-volatile does not mean stable, I just meant that.


Title: Re: Do you like Volatility? Debate
Post by: Myleschetty on April 05, 2021, 05:02:22 PM
Honestly, no genuine cryptocurrency enthusiast will dislike the volatility of the crypto market because the volatility in nature of the market is one of the reasons why the crypto market experienced an unexpected ATH price.
But people are referring the ups and downs of market by volatility which got nothing to do achieving ATH. I mean that market can move steadily toward ATH without going ups and downs randomly. So, I am not ready to accept that the all crypto people are liking volatile nature of bitcoins. Still, none of us got nothing to do with volatile nature of cryptos; it will remain as it is today until main stream adoption of cryptos will be happening.
It normal that we can't all like the volatility of the crypto market but the people that don't like the volatility in the nature of the market are not genuine crypto enthusiast because nothing on earth will have advantages and won't have disadvantages so i count those people as individuals that want to profit from the market and can't accept the fact about the market. Besides, every investment is volatile in its own way and the last time I check we all play a role in the market volatility.


Title: Re: Do you like Volatility? Debate
Post by: jostorres on April 05, 2021, 06:20:04 PM
Volatility is the most important when it comes cyrpto currency because without such things it will become a stable coin in the market .. And there's no reason to invest in it.. Just waste of time.. How investors can make profits? Seems good to choose real investment in my opinion if there's no volatility in crypto currency because for sure there's a good return. Just saying..
I do agree with the idea that it would become a stablecoin if there is no volatility. However we could also drop it down a notch as well, the idea is not to make bitcoin stay at 60k and never move, but it is also to prevent it from going 58k to 43k to 60k all inside a month, that is a huge volatility.

So why not have something in between, how about max 10% per week? That would be great if it happened, in any direction, so you do not win much but you do not lose much. Obviously nobody can put a limit of %10 movement on bitcoin since it could make a lot more money somewhere else, but that doesn't change the fact that it would be good if it happened, even though it can't happen. That is what I believe people are talking about, would you prefer bitcoin that is not stablecoin but doesn't move like it does now, it moves but moves a lot less volatile.


Title: Re: Do you like Volatility? Debate
Post by: 2double0 on April 05, 2021, 06:54:18 PM
Crypto is nothing without volatility because if you hold btc at a certain area and range bound it, alts will start their run up. And about btc, it is no fun to see btc sitting at one place only as for me, I couldn't digest my food without seeing btc showing at least 2-3% movement towards any direction.


Title: Re: Do you like Volatility? Debate
Post by: Mahanton on April 05, 2021, 11:34:43 PM
Crypto is nothing without volatility because if you hold btc at a certain area and range bound it, alts will start their run up. And about btc, it is no fun to see btc sitting at one place only as for me, I couldn't digest my food without seeing btc showing at least 2-3% movement towards any direction.

2-3% is something that you can see in forex or stocks market which means that it is less riskier on having this kind of movement and it wont really be appealing
to anyone who had transfered from other market into crypto because of this very reason.We do love to play with the waves because on these movements or waves
we do able to make money which is more than on the amount that we can possibly earn into those old markets that we know.
If volatility isnt on this market then we wont really be seeing this like this big.


Title: Re: Do you like Volatility? Debate
Post by: tygeade on April 06, 2021, 09:24:15 AM
Well, there is nothing wrong with having volatility in the market, it’s a normal thing that should be and I don’t see the need to change it. Investments in cryptocurrency especially Bitcoin has changed the life of so many people around the world and it was through this same volatility that all things were able to happen, if there was no volatility as huge as it is now , then we wouldn’t have seen people who will get their life changed easily through Bitcoin.

Although sometimes we don’t like this volatile nature of Bitcoin, one thing we have to also know is that the volatility has never stopped people from making use of Bitcoin, no matter what they are steady making use of it.


Title: Re: Do you like Volatility? Debate
Post by: Obito on April 06, 2021, 02:29:44 PM
Since I don't have a lot of bitcoin and I want to buy more at a lower price, I am in favor of volatility because it is just a short term event that doesn't really affect the overall growth of bitcoin in the long term plus with volatility, there is no possibility that someone might exploit the system which makes the game for every trader and investors fair and square