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Limitations of JPMorgan’s analysis:

1-they only consider matching private investment, ignoring public sector holdings

2-they do not consider that in a digital economy, it is easier to acquire and hold Bitcoin than it is to buy physical gold. Therefore bitcoin has a market value potential that can exceed gold many times over.

What are your thoughts?

Fair point but... gold is used not only as safe haven but also in jewellery, Electronics.

I think they also did not take "lost bitcoins" into consideration. I bet that bitcoin is now deflationary. Currnt inflation after fork is only 1.6%. Most likely the amount of lost bitcoins is bigger than 1.6% of supply annually.

Yes, and I think there's no surprised here. Many has seen bitcoin's narrative has evolved already. Institutions are investing and hedging their balance sheet on bitcoin.

But we all forget that there are still retail investors or traders, which is also very important to keep the ecosystem in check. So it's a balance between institution and retail investors that will fuel the massive pump to six digits this year. So for me, they also need to consider ordinary and average joe traders/investors.

Isn't JPMorgan's CEO Jamie Dimon hates bitcoin a lot, be careful with their stance people because this is an institution that is owned by hypocrites that says bitcoin is good but at the same time bitcoin is bad. They want to look good to the public because they are creating a bitcoin ETF that is unfavorable to the people that are going to invest in it because you don't own the bitcoin that is in the ETF and there are a lot of flaws and downsides in this ETF, Andre Jikh covered this thing and whether you don't agree with him or not, you have to be careful with JPMorgan.

Check out this thread. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5327971.msg56696242#msg56696242

IMO institutional investors will push BTC price to unimaginable numbers. Not $130k as JPMorgan estimates. Not even 1M$. Much higher. Retail invesotrs will play almost no role in this pump.

It has been discussed long ago that it's easier to buy and own bitcoin than to buy and own gold. They're just realizing it later when the price has skyrocketed and IIRC, JP Morgan, and its owner was once shown that they don't like bitcoin but that's the agenda for which they've been accumulating already before the others did. $130k is just their prediction but it could go higher than that.

Even JP morgan is already bullish, what a great time to live

Yes, but only to a small extent. In the Western world, gold is predominantly used as an asset hedge. In countries like India or China, it's a bit different, but even if demand for gold jewelry were to collapse, that wouldn't affect the price of gold that much at the moment.

JP-Morgan's arguments are understandable, even if I am fundamentally skeptical of the bank.

JPM has already become a regular in such statements, so if you look a few months back you can read articles like this:


Their speculation is actually largely based on BTC market share relative to gold, or in other words whether investors will start turning more to digital gold. Yet JPM in some of its speculations goes so far as to raise the possible price as high as $650 000, but even though it is the largest US bank these are just speculations based on what could happen if everyone literally goes crazy for BTC.

Much higher probably but not in this cycle. The highest prediction I've seen is the supercycle theory (https://danheld.substack.com/p/a-bitcoin-supercycle) which far exceeds all the others, predicting that we could reach $1M this cycle.

Investments in bitcoin should be made from your investigations as well as JP Morgan's. Additionally, it should be made with confidence after your due investigations on protocol of bitcoin. If one investor has comprehensive thoughts on bitcoin deflationary specifications, investments will be made without fear of loss in long term.

Bitcoin is better than gold and they are different so you can not compare them correctly. With the inflation in CBDC systems on the globe that is shown publicly with supports from the Covid-19 and QEs, bitcoin will be on the huge booster to the Moon.

Gold can be another good investment but per its instinct, it won't have big growth as bitcoin.

Any link to the source?
I don't mind,if the Bitcoin price gets to 130K USD.
1.What do you mean by public sector holdings?No government in the world will be buying BTC anytime soon.
2.It's wrong to compare a digital purchase with a physical purchase.People can buy gold contracts and they can trade gold online.I know that they are trading a bunch of numbers on a dashboard,but this Bitcoin futures trading is basically the same.
I've heard rumors that the gold market is heavily manipulated and the gold price is undervalued.Maybe Bitcoin will have the same market cap as gold sooner that we thought.

They were joking in the past, I thought they were against bitcoin.
JPMorgan—Bitcoin’s ‘Biggest Enemy’—Suddenly Appears To Be Going All In On Crypto
 (https://www.forbes.com/sites/billybambrough/2020/05/30/jp-morgan-bitcoins-biggest-enemy-suddenly-appears-to-be-going-all-in-on-crypto/?sh=4b61aac723a6)
Now, look at them... they are so bullish with bitcoin.
It has already registered in my mind that Jamie Dimon is against bitcoin, but things have changed now I believe.

I have always believed that the next lowest price/floor for Bitcoin during the next bear market would be $60,000. The last ATH was $20,000, floor was $3,000. That’s an 85% loss in price. Next floor for me, $60,000, 85% loss in value from an ATH of $400,000. 8)

Was there even an analysis? Or was it just a rough estimate, just a little better than a wild guess?

It is good that even JPMorgan is already thinking that Bitcoin is going to make it big in the world. I am not a fan of JPMorgan and other giant banking institutions of course but knowing the power and influence these institutions have even over world leaders, Bitcoin will definitely benefit from this bullish outlook.

i've watched Andrei Jikh video about this in which JP morgan is up to creating crypto ETF. he also emphasizes that investors might really not like the idea of it for not owning the real BTC but just the ETF.  no keys, not your coins phrase will always be the case.

$130K is good, i still think that institutions going all-in in Bitcoin will bring the market wildly that even the altcoins like doge will be pumped high.

This year? In the next one? When?

Avoid listening to all the Bitcoin recommendations that the banks have been exposed to, if they are wrong about the price and that it is a bubble, we will explode at any time, nothing happened to change the way they view investment.

I see that all that is happening is a result of people trying to link the price to good estimates, meaning that we are in a market where emotions rule, and a lot of people make analyzes based on market psychology and not on something that can be trusted.

Reaching the highest peak can take more than 6 months and is therefore impossible to predict.

Small traders and investors are an important element in the growth of bitcoin today, because many of them are massively spread even within one minute of each transaction block filled and very significantly dominated by small traders and investors. So I really agree that from all aspects of bitcoin development, all elements play an active role in growing a non-stop transaction system.

If we have learned something on the GameStop debacle, it is to not discredit the purchasing power of the public sector and the retail investors to not get fucked over. Imagine if they factored that money in, we will be seeing much more from their prediction compared to just $130k. Though at this point, if it's only the institutions buying in and pushing bitcoins to these heights, it's impressive to say the least, and they finally believed in bitcoin after telling everyone in the past few years that its artificial value will not hold long enough to make everyone happy.

I don't like JPMorgan as a greedy privileged institution, and I don't trust their "analysis" and predictions. In 2017, their CEO called Bitcoin 'a fraud' (http://JPMorgan) and said that those trading cryptos are stupid. Then in 2019, they made their own centralized "cryptocurrency" (https://www.bbc.com/news/business-47240760). Following the bullish trend, they said less than 3 months ago that Bitcoin can reach $650k (https://coinjournal.net/news/jp-morgan-report-suggests-bitcoin-price-could-reach-650k/). Now they're backing off a little and talking about $130k (https://markets.businessinsider.com/currencies/news/bitcoin-price-outlook-volatility-attractive-institutions-supports-price-target-jpmorgan-2021-4-1030270274) as the op suggests. Their predictions are very different and tend to change pretty fast, and given how just a few months ago the CEO again said Bitcoin wasn't "his cup of tea" (https://finance.yahoo.com/news/jamie-dimon-says-bitcoin-is-not-my-cup-of-tea-even-as-jp-morgan-has-warmed-to-crypto-161245479.html#:~:text=But%20JPMorgan%20CEO%20Jamie%20Dimon,soon%20regulate%20it%20more%20stringently.), I don't trust them at all.

Fair point! And with so much of the supply already lost, plus the ever increase in BCT curiosity not only from the common Joe but also from larger entities, no doubt the BTC market will have yet another impressive unprecedented movement. In the good way - that is.

So, it just seems that it has never been a better time to get into BTC than now, when you start seeing the larger institutions preparing the ground work for greater adoption.

Privileged in what sense? They are just part of a system that is greedy by nature, and generally doesn’t choose ways to make a profit. The fact is that they have been negative about Bitcoin in the past, but it is also a fact that they have changed their minds, some people just need more time to understand, but I think everyone deserves a second chance.

What would you tell then about Michael Saylor who was extremely critical of BTC in the past and now has billions of dollars invested in it? I know people like to attack banks and that's quite understandable, so JPM is often mentioned in a negative context - but you have to understand that their speculations and reports are aimed at big investors who, unlike you or me, appreciate and listen to advice from such a powerful bank.

Therefore, it is less important what small investors think about their position, but it is much more important how many billion dollars flowed into BTC because JPM has had extremely optimistic reports for the last 6 months.

I did not read this article, so I will ask the following question:

did they say in what year the price will reache $130,000?

now i will say what i think:

well they have a lot of money right? they may have bought bitcoin and so they need the price to increase a lot in order to make a profit.

truth is that people are making forecasts because they want more people to enter this market for the price to increase and those who made the forecast to make a profit and also try to gain attention

wonder if JPMorgan can get their prediction right? this bring with more exposure for them, in the end bitcoin is being a way to make the rich get richer and more popular

^^ Good question, maybe JPMorgan and their clients have been filling their bags, I wouldn't be surprised if they have bought it when the price hits $4,000 during the pandemic, stay quiet and under the radar and then wait for the perfect timing to create a positive news and their prediction that it will hit $130,000,000 in the future due to institutional adoption. Very clever trick again, but we can ride along and make the best out of it.

I have always had a neutral thought about JP Morgan, at the beginning in 2017 he did a lot of FUD to bitcoin, in fact the statements he made at that time were very against Bitcoin, now what he does is recommend that they buy Bitcoin, which is not wait for institutions to buy for others to buy, that's why my neutral sense.

The control that JP Morgan has over banking activity cannot be denied, in fact many banks in the world are managed by JP Morgan, sometimes I see that it is opportunism not to be left behind and little by little integrate Bitcoin to the banking system, this would bring Much advantage for him since he would own Bitcoin holders along with their data, not a good thing, because he would try to take some control, and bitcoin is totally decentralized and with enough power not to be controlled.

The fact that he now makes a prediction of that style can be strategic, from the point of view of market speculation I do not like it, because it tends to be good news, and generally good news means that he wants to sell, I think the best is to wait and be aware of world news, not only are his predictions valuable, I prefer the S2F model from PlanB which is much better.

My thought it that JP Morgan doesn't have a better idea than anyone else. They're just guessing, and most of the time when it comes to Bitcoin, legacy finance analysts don't have a clue what they're talking about. I wouldn't put any more weight in anything JP Morgan says for predicting price than I would some random guy off the street. I mean $130k is a pretty good guess I'd say, if they are talking about this year, but knowing them next month they'll be saying bull market is over, and the month after that they'll be saying $200k and the month after that they'll say it's over again.

I think you should both stop reading and also stop reposting the crap that one of the most corrupt banks is saying about bitcoin specially when you consider that they have been spreading a lot of FUD about bitcoin both directly and indirectly calling it so many negative things including "fraud"!

Always remember that just because someone is saying bitcoin price is going up you should quote them. Remember McAfee in 2017 and how many people he scammed with his ICO ads and altcoin pump and dumps? People paid him attention just because he was saying "bitcoin price is going up"!

Only legend knows! lol.. I'm a living witness of McAfee's scam action during that time most particularly the coin of the day where he can call any coin to pump and people just follow, for sure lots of bag holders that time and I don't know if those coins have recovered during the current bull run.

We know JP Morgan's track record before adopting Bitcoin, they often spread negative things about Bitcoin. Now suddenly predicting Bitcoin price will
hit $ 130k soon, this is JP Morgan's hidden agenda. Chances are they have already bought large amounts of Bitcoin and want to create Bitcoin
hype because they want to make a profit. I never paid attention to whatever JP Morgan said, my view was already bad towards JP Morgan.
So please JP Morgan to set a Bitcoin price target at any price, I don't care and don't believe it.

That was always the case, never ever doubted about that fact and I agree with it 100% completely. I knew that JP Morgan never really assumed that bitcoin would be nothing, but they talked about like how it is something that will go to zero, why? Because, if everyone goes into bitcoin and they are left behind and not invest their money with JP Morgan that would be bad for their business so they ended up talking about how bad bitcoin was in order to keep their customers.

Now that they probably have a lot of bitcoins that means they are going to promote it, why? Because, even if you want to go into bitcoin you could simply do that with JP Morgan and tell your broker there to get some bitcoins for you, which is why JP Morgan no longer will be affected by a big mass adoption of bitcoin. They only say what will profit them and that is why they are not trustworthy.