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A couple of Covid-19 vaccines have been produced and distributed already, but sentiments still abound amongst the populace as to if they should or should not be vaccinated, and with the latest development, I think those sentiments surely must have grown stronger as Argentinian president Alberto Fernandez has tested positive to Covid-19 despite having being vaccinated with the Russian-made Sputnik V vaccine early on in the year.

What implications do you think will arise from this news? Will it dampen the believe of people in the efficacy of Covid-19 vaccines, and will it also strengthen the arguments of anti-vaxxers that natural immunity could actually be superior to that of vaccine immunity?

Source: https://edition.cnn.com/2021/04/04/americas/argentina-alberto-fernndez-covid-19-sputnik-vaccine-intl-latam/index.html

That's nothing new for me.

Vaccines do not prevent you from catching the virus or transmitting it. What they do seem to do is prevent you from developing a serious clinical picture as a result of the virus. It has also been said lately that they reduce the probability of catching the virus, but they do not prevent it.

By the way, I am in favor of vaccines and have had a few throughout my life, but I am against being forced to have this one. I don't know if that makes me anti-vax or what.

A sample of one doesn't really mean anything, except to people who thrive on anecdotes as "evidence" for their conspiracy theories.

It's not a secret that none of the COVID-19 vaccines are 100% effective but they are effective enough to reduce the spread of the virus to the point where we can reasonably consider it under control.

This is very alarming news for everybody who got the Sputnik vaccine.  I am not so familiar with the Sputnik V vaccine because it is not allowed in my country yet, but a lot of countries are already using it. Maybe the vaccine is not as useful as the companies proclaim? We are using various vaccines for month now but still don't have any studies about the effectiveness of the vaccines compared to each other. I would like to get more information from the government about the long term immunity of vaccines.

That's not a new news, there were news like this before that have came out when the vaccines have rolled out. Most of the vaccines are not yet 100% guaranteed so there will still be cases like this not only for that vaccine but for other vaccines too made by other pharmaceutical companies.

          Hello OP vaccines 💉 don’t prevent viruses 🦠 from entering the body, according to Oxford dictionary a vaccine 💉 is a substance used to stimulate the production of anti bodies and provide immunity against one or several diseases prepared from the causative agent of a disease 🦠, its product or a synthetic substitute, treated to act like an antigen without inducing the disease..
       From my understanding vaccines 💉 only doesn’t prevent you from getting infected, they only reduces the chances of contacting the virus 🦠 probably if you were to catch the virus 🦠 at one glance or contact with someone who has. Vaccines 💉 helps you not to contact viruses 🦠 easily as supposed.
     For example you have HIV human immune virus 🦠 and you have been injected a vaccine 💉 to protect you, then you as the victim goes ahead to have unprotected sex, hey buddy you just registered yourself  AIDS acquired immune deficiency syndrome. It doesn’t stop ✋ you from getting infected with AIDS because you have taken the vaccines 💉 hell no.
        It doesn’t work that way you gotta be safe and still obey all guidelines and instructions given to you, please let’s be guided 😎 and not mis-interpret things, inculcate the habit of comprehending before unleashing information. We’re all here to learn anyways.
      I bow out 🤓

Efficacy of the vaccines reduced a lot now from what they claimed when they found it due to the mutation behaviour found on the covid virus means the vaccines are not completely useless but it may not be effective with the people who are tested positive for the new strain.

  The example with HIV is not entirely successful, since the virus mutates all the time and its vaccination is not yet possible.  (do not confuse with AIDS, it is no longer a virus, but a disease).  But we can talk about such a disease as smallpox.
  Now you will not meet him, but earlier it was a big problem, which was solved thanks to vaccination.  Vaccines not only reduce the severity of the disease, they prevent the development of the disease.  If a person is vaccinated against smallpox, and after that he will have contact with an infected person, then the chance of his infection is minimal.  Of course it is, but thanks to worldwide vaccination, smallpox has been defeated.  
  The vaccine is not a barrier that blocks the entry of the virus.  
  A vaccine is killed or live microorganisms, their components (possibly chemical vaccines), which, when introduced into the body, cause the production of antibodies and memory cells by immune cells.  After vaccination, immunity develops (its duration depends individually on the vaccine) and, upon contact with the original viruses, the antibodies fight the antigens of the virus.  Not to be confused with sera, when ready-made antibodies are injected into a person.
   Of course, the strength of immunity during vaccination of adults and children depends on the state of the body's immune system.
   As for the Sputnik V vaccine, it consists of two components, each of which includes a recombinant adenoviral vector based on the human adenovirus.  If you skip all molecular biology, then after the vaccine is injected, the vector gene enters human cells, as a result of which they produce S-protein in response to which antibodies to this protein are produced in the host's body (inoculated).  The introduction of the second component of the vaccine promotes the production of memory cells and the formation of a more complete immunity.  But the problem is that the virus also mutates, the structure of its membrane and proteins changes, which can cause the disease, after vaccination.  And of course, the initial state of the immune system plays an important role (it is difficult to predict whether the required amount of antibodies will be released).
  Another issue is preclinical and clinical trials of the vaccine, which were carried out in a very accelerated mode (judging from the results of 3 phases of trials).
  But it’s impossible to invent an ideal placebo in two years.  In my opinion, you shouldn't be afraid of vaccinations.  I myself want to be vaccinated, but in our city now it is not even there, only military personnel are vaccinated. I will digress a little from the topic, but I want to recommend that you do not especially ignore the vaccination schedule by age)

The efficacy rates only tells how much percentage it is that's likely going to work. They have classified it from mild conditions to severe and it changes based from the range of the age that the person that will take the vaccine. They're not really useless, who would ever say that and wants to get vaccinated is bias. Look at the countries that have immediately done their mass vaccination, they're completely and near back to their old lives.

Or those countries are yet to face their second wave? Look at what is happening in Brazil and India like companies, they also tried the vaccination but it seems not working well talking about the particular person who got vaccinated had been tested positive means the belief will get lower for sure.

I don't think that there's any wave going to those countries. They've managed to gain and order the first batches of the vaccines and that's why they're going back to the normal.
If ever there will be some recorded cases, it isn't that much compare to the other countries that are experiencing 2nd and 3rd wave.

Actually, it will turn the belief of the people into knowledge of what is really going on. The question is, do they really care?

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It's a worrisome development to tell you the truth, honestly. It will further increase anxiety and prove the vaccine skeptics right that taking a covid vaccine is of no good. Besides, I think the so much secrecy coming from the Chinese government on the vaccine from China tells me something is wrong with the whole vaccine thing. For instance, why would China coerce people going into China to take only the Chinese vaccine without which they're subjected to horrendous experience getting visas.

Well, my elementary knowledge (that's putting it mildly, any way) on vaccine tells me that once it's administered it introduces a pseudonym version of the disease it intends to prevent by alerting the body that it already has it and preventing the real disease from coming in. Except where an administered vaccine fails, otherwise the disease has no ability to effect the body again.

There is no second wave in many countries but my question is whether they are yet to face or the completely eradicated it? The answer is they are also at the risk of facing the second wave because people who got vaccinated for the early strain may have the chance to get infected by the new strain or atleast they can be a transact the virus from one to another place.

I'm not here to defend Sputnik V, but none of vaccines can guarantee 100% protection. For example, Sputnik V is 91.6% effective. So, it's still possible to get infected, but vaccine protects from serious forms of disease and helps to recover more easy.

I don't know about all vaccines, but I read that Pfizer vaccine is effective against all so far discovered strains of virus.
But what is possible, people who got vaccine in early phase, their immunity will be gone untill majority of population will get vaccinated.

They've completely eradicated it, another news is from Israel that they might remove face mask outdoors and they're preparing for it. They've won it because they've fully vaccinated their citizens and everyone cooperated with it. Of course they're aware of the possible next wave but if they've entirely eradicated it, they only have to get to the measures of their borders and people who would come in to them to still check and do quarantines if necessary.

Countries who thought that they are now free from the virus are now facing the worse situation, maybe they vaccinated people but only one new strain unnoticed can put the complete country in danger zone and getting infected again.

Argentinian president tests positive to covid-19 after being vaccinated


No big deal. He just became one of millions of super-spreaders. They should be called super-manure-spreaders. Why? Because they are simply the first stage of the wickedness the medical and Big Pharma have planned next.


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But for those countries that I've mentioned, they really survived and eradicated the virus. But too bad that you're right, there are still plenty of countries that haven't overcome the virus.
Well, that soon shall pass and everyone has to follow and help to eradicate the virus by following the protocols and not being selfish but to respect that they're also living with other people who fears the virus.

You'll know that they made it when each person in the country starts taking about 30,000 units of vitamin D a day, along with about 3 grams of vitamin C + zinc.

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That's a lot. I'm no medical expert though.
But another way is just to strengthen your physical body, immune system(I don't know about the doses you've given) and have a proper hygiene while staying at home.

It's yet unclear which variant the Argentine President got, but I would bet it's the Brazilian one.
The current vaccines (and immunity from previous infection) provide only partial protection against the newer variants, especially the Brazilian one.
That's why a second booster of the vaccine will be needed, which should cover the latest mutations in the new variants.

Internet research will show you that professionals answer both ways about vitamin D. Some say that 100,000 units a day for a period of time won't harm you. Others don't want you to take more than one caplet.

Dr. Linus Pauling found that 5 grams of vitamin C + 2 grams of Lysine daily, will cure you from heart disease. Later, he and another doctor added Proline to the formula. So, vitamin C won't do anything but help. A tiny bit of added zinc is all you need for virus protection.

However, whenever you start taking nutritionals on your own, start with low doses, and work up. Stop if you get an allergic or adverse reaction, and do more research.

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Doesn't this ring a bell! That there could be something wrong about every vaccine being produced under this circumstances or rush towards being the first company to produce the most effective drug.
Here is another thing, taking another vaccine as a booster of some sort for the previous doesn't really add up to me because, all these things are going into the body to stay there and would come up with some sort of effect from the reactions of the various composite compounds around there active sites.
I'm not against vaccination but at the moment, I'm still scared because, the available is yet to be perfected.

OP:
There is misinformation with the vaccines and  especially with the Russian one, this vaccines makes the immune system act in a better way with the contagion of the virus, so the side effects are less and gives better probabilities of success.

The vaccines that exist can be more effective than others in "fight" the virus the moment you are infected and avoid complex symptoms such as low oxygen in the blood and therefore the risks of dying.

The (any) Russian vaccine does not prevent you from getting infected, it helps the immune system to fight it efficiently.

Yeah, I'll do that. Thanks for educating me about that.
They have to rush on making one to at least reduce the implication of the virus. There are studies and tests that were made for it and they've approved it based on their scientifical findings that it's working and helping to recover those infected ones.

The Brazil strain is killing people who had had the other strain already, it hits much harder and in half the time. If any country makes the mistake of lifting bio measures such as mask use or distancing, they are going to be hit REAL HARD.

BADecker we had a dead in my living room. STFU already.

Right! Viruses like Covid only last for about a year and a half. When you add masks and lockdowns, you might be able to extend it for another half year. That's why the medical must work fast with the vaccine. If they don't, Covid will be gone before they have a chance to make good use of it. As it is, they just might be able to say that they eradicated Covid, as it goes away on its own. It's all about using the natural timing of the virus in the most advantageous way to make some money.

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It's early days, so not much data on vaccines vs variants yet... but even if a vaccine is ineffective against a variant, it is far quicker to modify the vaccine than it is to create an entirely new vaccine from a standing start. Variants will no doubt be a problem, but vaccines will be effective against some variants, and should be able to modified relatively quickly to cope with resistant strains. We're in a much better place than we were.

Its not shocking TBH.

The studies regarding COVID Vaccines really shows that you are not 100% immune from the virus once vaccinated. But as soon as you got the virus after being vaccinated, the effects would be minimal, it will be like a simple flu that will go right away after a 2 or 3 days.

I don't know what to say that it will be out on its own. It keeps on mutating and there are other newer variants that are stronger than the first one that we did, stronger in a way that infects people faster than it can. But I agree with you that they must perfect the vaccine and be it 100% efficient for most of the variants and can be manufactured quickly to supply it to every country.

To "PERFECT" a vaccine
(1) there must be no possible side effect or even just a negligible side effect.
(2) Given enough time to be studied and tested for different kind of effects in the body 4 years minimum
(3) The virus stopped from mutating, for it to be studied and have a vaccine for the existing variants.

Notes, as the virus mutates, you can't just ignore that the VIRUS ITSELF EVOLVE, thus the study from the minor viruses are minor. But take a deep breathe as study shown that the vaccine works for the other variants.

P.S.
As you are vaccinated, and you are infected by the virus, chances are that you don't need to worry about your lungs, oxygen level as it will be just like 3 days of natural flu and you're already good to go.

1-2. This is one sad fact that most of the vaccines were expedite and made, their efficacy has decreased and it's not yet perfect because some news have told and reported that there's blood clot for specific range of ages.
3. The virus itself is mutating because it's going through those people who haven't vaccinated but having a herd immunity, this will reduce it.
I guess with many who have already vaccinated, we'll be getting the herd immunity and this will reduce the increase of infected cases and soon it will dry off until we have fully won against it or if it remains existing, there's already a vaccine that's perfect to cure it.

Alberto Fernández received the first dose of Sputnik V two months ago, so he should have been immune to the virus. BTW, the vaccine manufacturers don't claim that they are 100% effective. Clinical trials have measured the efficiency at 91.8%. So there is always a small chance of those who are vaccinated with Sputnik V getting CoVID 19. But the symptoms should be mild, as they already have the antibodies in their body. And in case the vaccines are less effective against the P.1 strain, then it is a worrying sign.


https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/putin-calls-argentine-leader-covid-sputnik-shot-76883180

News say that according to health expert that vaccines does not guarantee of not getting infected again with the virus, see like in the case of these Argentinian President to think that they have already in high position that can acquire the best medicine this is the strong indication that nothing is exempted today from this virus even if you are vaccinated.

This is becoming so common now, that it isn't even news. I really can't understand why people allow themselves to be vaccinated. The vaccines are so useless, that they are saying you need to have two or three different ones now. I'd rather keep away from the lot, and rely on the natural immunity that has worked for me for over 60 years.

I can prolly understand why covid-19 vaccine distribution is pertinent, and that's cause it can possibly reduce significantly the number of people that run the risk of contracting the virus, but my argument is that if more people after taking the vaccine still continue to test positive, then the efficacy of the virus could be questioned; I know the vaccines aren't 100% effective, but they ought to be at least over 90% effective, thus this positive cases after vaccination should be in the minority.

The FDA shut down the Johnson & Johnson vaccine today, 'cause it was killing too many people from the blood clots.

TOO MANY PEOPLE?!?! How many is too many? A thousand? A hundred? Ten?

Why did they even let the vaccines out without safety studies?

Maybe J&J didn't reach all the way down into Argentina. Lol. :D

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I've also heard that news and the first thought that came to my mind was the other vaccine made by Astra Zeneca, some reported case also had blood clots.  :-\

Ever since the creation of the vaccine which we see some government official giving on the TV which most of them didn't receive the vaccine(have watched a video that proof it), I always advise people not to trust the vaccine and should practise good hygiene with exercises.
What I read about the Argentina president make me detest the vaccine more and more because what the medical personal said is that the vaccine will produce anti-covid body.

That point aside, I don’t like the slippery slope we’re walking. People talking about vaccine passports and other stupid things. If you bend over now, it won’t be long before they expect us all to take annual flu shots in order to be allowed outside.

One thing I am always amazed by is how quickly scared people are willing to throw away their freedoms.

If you want to watch a video with a ton of great points, statistics, and other videos inside, watch DANGLING THE CARROT - https://www.bitchute.com/video/AUL8M8GRm95E/. It's about an hour and 46 minutes.

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I second your points, but don't you think the government are also in a dilemma, even a trilemma with the situation at hand, if vaccine shots are left for volunteers, then quite a lot of people may be skeptical about it all and thus, not get vaccinated, and as such, the virus prolly can't be brought under control, as quite a large number of people have to be vaccinated for some sort of control to be possible.

I'm not suggesting or in support of 'vaccine ID's' to be free to move or do certain things, but I think it's only possibly going to be put in place to prolly encourage more people to get vaccinated, it's a critical point we're in at the moment you know.

Thanks to the vax, the prez has also been turned into an asymptomatic carrier where the viruses can linger and mutate more efficiently.

Vaccinated people should be quarantined...until they die of 'natural causes' a little while from now.  They should self-quarantine for the sake of others.  Not only will the diseases they culture 'kill Granny', but also the grand-kids.

And the people who developed the 'vaccine' should be quarantined in a prison all their own, along with those who supported them... like most of government.

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Is this a coincidence ?

Pakistan Prime Minister Imran Khan tests positive for COVID two days after being vaccinated (https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/3/20/pakistan-prime-minister-imran-khan-tests-positive-for-covid)

The vaccine was supposed to prevent against the covid-19 or was it the other way around  :o

Makes sense, right?

Think of every world leader across the globe, all of them got vaccinated (including Mr. Trump who once suggested vaccines cause autism, ha). So the vaccine is 95% effective, that means just statistically at least one or two world leaders, if infected, should get COVID even after the vaccine. Nothing to see here.