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Don't know if it been discussed before or not but are there any limits that if anyone wants to publish any bitcoin signature campaign or social media campaign, then you need to pay minimum amount of money to the participants.
For example, if anyone start a bitcoin campaign by offering only $10 or $ 5 per week or even less, is it allowed ?

If there is no minimum budget, the campaigns can offer very little incentive in bitcoin and publish their campaign in bitcoin services section to get more exposure.

No minimum. If it’s your project, it’s your wish.
Low payment will attract spammer while good payrate will attract the quality poster and eventually effective marketing.

I think the general consensus is you get what you pay for.

Sure you can pay tiny but you have to compete with others. A campaign advertising an ico offering $1k to peoplewho posts about them can be a lot more selective than those who don't.

A 1k follower and following twitter account for example with artificial followers don't have to care about followers leaving so can post 20 $5 campaign posts. A person who does and has a large following might make one or two campaign posts and get paid a much higher rate.

On this forum, a lot of companies pay for representation and a strong positive sentiment in the forum. Sites like yobit have, in the past, been temporarily banned from advertising here due to not moderating their posters - I think they may pay the highest rate per post now though so...

I know that if anyone pays less , they can't compete with the other bitcoin paying campaigns and quality posters will not join the campaign but one can capture the whole altcoin campaign market participants as there will still many people who will join the low paying bitcoin campaign , instead of joining the altcoin campaign where there is no assurance of tokens being listed on exchanges.

The administration has never interfered when it comes to the amounts someone pays participants to sign campaigns, and I don’t think that would be right. Anyone who wants to promote something can thus decide to pay someone $5 a week or $500 a week, it is up to each member of the forum to accept it or not.


What I see is that most signature campaigns are fairly uniform in how much they pay (with exceptions of course), but that part of the responsibility lies with campaign managers who negotiate with service owners and compete to offer better terms (read lower price). There were a few threads like this, and I remember one campaign manager admitting that he thought prices were low, but that if he didn’t accept the job, someone else probably would.

In other words, if you can pay a max $50 to a Legendary/Hero member to write 25-30 posts a week, why would someone else pay $100 for the same service?

What are typical campaigns paying nowadays?  It's been a long time since I've even looked in the Services section to see what's available and what they're paying.  I assume Chipmixer is still one of the highest-paying campaigns out there, but I could be wrong.  In any case, even if you offered a very low rate, you'd still get tons of applicants--and you might even get some decent posters, too.  But whether a campaign ends up with a bunch of shitposters depends a lot on who's managing that campaign.  Some managers are way better than others (or at least that's how it used to be; I'm not sure how many campaign managers there are right now).

I think I have seen some campaigns try to pay a ridiculously low rate to its participants, and IIRC they didn't get that many applicants.  And I'd imagine that even if such a campaign got started, its participants would likely be applying for higher-paying ones simultaneously.  Who's going to be loyal to a campaign that pays less than other ones?

It is allowed, just be careful about the payments since if you pay bigger tx fees than the actual "wages", some may get angry  ;)
Usually for low amount/pay, the altcoins are chosen because it's cheaper to send.
So my advice is to either pay altcoins, either pay less often. However, use escrow.

Of course, you'll have to not have too much expectations in quality, but still disallow spam, else you'll get in trouble.

That means op you are talking about that if there any minimum budget for paying in bitcoin if you want to run the signature campaign in service section right? Otherwise this question could not come in mind where manager can run bounty campaign with token or stable coins in bounty section where there is no barrier that you have to must pay in bitcoin.

In this case I think 50% is the best ratio of paying bitcoin and project token. I saw few days ago a campaign in service section, which wanted to pay 20% payment in btc and others 80% in project token maybe. But later I saw the thread was removed to bounty section. Nor sure it was moved by the campaign manager or by the forum administrators.

According to my experience i think there is no minimum budget for campaign. And if it is your project then choice is your how much budget you want to set for you campaign. But yeah it might have effect on a point which is marketer. If your budget will be low then you might get lowest or spammer type influencer to promote your project. Because higher budget can give you quality or premium type influencer. The reason is quality influencer spend their time on that platform where they get highest value from their time. So now its your choice.

Generally, there are no loyal participant in a campaign that payrate a small if one day a campaign like Chipmixer or BestChange open a slot. At least that's what we can always see. In my opinion, manager campaign and higher payrate can attract quality poster to send application, while those who find themselves and their post unqualified will ignore the opportunity simply because they don't want to be disappointed when they are rejected.

I also think that a low payrate is still allowed and will not be a problem if the payment received by participant each period are still in accordance with the condition of transaction fee. It is certain that if the payment is only enough to pay the transaction fee, then the participant may be angry.  :D

It look like that you have been out of touch to the campaigns running at bitcointalk at present but believe me nothing much have changed except for the fact that most campaign now prefer to pay in dollars (converted in bitcoins) because of continuous rising prices of bitcoin. Due to this reason, the campaigns pay less as compare in the old days when they used to pay satoshi per posts.
Chipmixer is still the highest paying campaign and there are only few good campaign managers as before.

It is allowed as it depends upon the person if they wish to join or not.

Currently, the competition for campaign signatures have been increasing due to a number of campaigns closing in less than 3-4 weeks, though it depends on the budget given to the campaign manager. I remember that there were campaigns who offered low weekly payments but lots of people applied since only a few campaigns were operating at that moment.


Imagine, earning 5-10$ per week but the transaction fees are higher than what you receive weekly. Well, that is to be expected given the current value of bitcoin in the market.

This is usually not the case, except in extreme cases such as Yobit campaign, in other cases, managers would get off without paying more attention to the quality of posts their participants make and also in what thread.
Managers and companies have the freedom to set their rules and guidelines, with some forum guides; dictating what thread fits where etc.

Which personally I'm quite surprised by the fact that campaigns don't do this. I'd like the think that the Bitcoin sections, are better for advertisers since its less saturated. Over in the Altcoin section, almost everyone there posting, from all kinds of different users that its very saturated, and you tend to ignore anyones signature over in that section.

You'd think that bounty owners, and campaigns owners would prefer paying in Bitcoin to try, and get into a new market. It rarely happens though.

I am yet to see such campaigns LOL
But honestly speaking if you come up with this type of low payment then you will be basically hiring low value spammers in the service board. In the altcoin bounty board it's possible even paying $0. Most of those altcoin do not worth a penny but still you will see bounty hunters and signature spammers are promoting those ICO, Defi and recently IDO.

Why would be there any minimum at all. If anyone is willing to wear a signature for zero payment then they still can.

This. Bitcoin is basically unusable for small value transactions during times like now. It’s sad, but this is where our leaders have led us. You can use the Lightning network *if you can find someone else who uses it, but perhaps a better idea would be to pay the BTC out on your own platform so it can be converted and withdrawn using an altcoin that is still functional as a p2p currency (if your platform can offer that). That’s the only way to get around the BTC only payment rules on this forum while not completely destroying any incentive for participants.

*A big fucking IF.

Not all companies have a large budget. Unestablished gambling sites, new token projects, and other sites just starting out have to use the little bit of start up money they might have wisely.

As a manager I show potential clients many different examples of different campaigns and rates. They decide the budget upon seeing what others are paying. Offering high rates does not guarantee a campaign is a success either.

Basically the company has the final say on what money is offered, if you don't like it, don't join.

It's a free market out here. It's up to the owners of the campaign to decide on what they can afford and also up to the advertisers to decide if they can join the signature campaign for a certain pay or not.

The forum is not some sort of Government or organization where the "employees" minimum wage has to be set  :D

That's correct, it's usually not the case. But with low pay the campaign may not attract quality posters and since the expectations will be kinda low, this can happen. So a warning on the matter won't hurt, especially if the campaign manager would be somebody (inexperienced) from within the team, to save more money.

Standard rates are starting from $20 for Members all the way to $65 onwards for Legendary members. Below is a great way to track the rates across all signature campaigns:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=615953.new#new

Too low and it would be hard to find reputable campaign managers that are willing to take on more work + lower commissions.

Campaigns that pay less per post, could simply start paying in monthly installments instead of weekly. Most jobs pay on a monthly basis, so I've always found it a little weird that campaign managers that have been running a long term campaign continue to pay on a weekly basis as I would have thought it would be more conveniently, and slightly less time consuming to simply pay on a monthly basis. 

Most of the bounty campaign can even pay their participant after a few months of the campaign is over and there are not many complaint coming from the participant if the payment they receive in the form of token can be traded as soon as they get them.


I feel like this option can be considered by campaign manager as long as bitcoin transaction fee increase or whenever they want. I have no problem if the manager decide to pay participant every 2 or 4 weeks to save transaction fee, especially if the manager has received the campaign fund in advance which are stored in Escrow. But so far even long-term campaign like Chipmixer continue to pay participant weekly.

If there are people ready to wear signature for such payments then there is nothing wrong with it, and some twitter bitcoin payments made payments in cents too in the past so why you need to worry.

If you are not happy with low payment then don't join because being a participant of signature campaign is not important to the bitcointalk community.

I cover transaction fees from my payment when I do campaign payouts and so far I'd prefer to keep it going weekly. There are several reasons as to why I'd prefer to do it but as of now I do not think I'll make any changes.

As for paying out on platform (for casinos, as an example), each participant would have to pay the withdraw fee out of their weekly payment which then asks the question if we should increase everyones payment by $20 which then takes us back to the start with it being no different than paying direct on a weekly basis.

Thank you for wanting to provide clarification about the post. I know that ultimately you as campaign manager and owner can make changes when needed. In my opinion, some other manager also have the same view as to why they pay campaign participant every week or maybe there are other reason. But if this can be a solution to low payrate per post, managers may consider paying participant every 2 week period or more. Just my assumption

If you are the one who would tend to launch up some campaign which do connects out into your own project or site then its up to your choice when it comes to payrates since
you are the ones will really be allocating those depending on your project.

Low payment would only be good if;

-5 to 10 post per week (talking about lesser $10 week pay)

Dont expect that you would really be getting lots since there are much more better campaigns out there and also dont ever set out
small pay with lots of post required because you would only just generate spam to those desperate members that would really be
trying to sip out that 10 bucks per week.

I don't think there is a minimum. I have not encountered any specific forum rule about it.

However, there are certainly a lot of factors involved. If you pay $5-$10 a week, the participants would expect that the minimum requirement in order to get paid is very low. If it requires like 25 posts at least, then expect less interest, especially from the higher ranks.

It is possible that the slots would be filled but [1] with less quality posters, users who find it hard to get accepted in higher paying campaigns, or [2] if there are no other open campaigns that users would take it rather than make unpaid posts, but expect an exodus of participants ones a higher paying campaign arrives.

Any cost > 0.

Why would you bother paying the cost of a campaign via fees and the currency itself when you could just mint your own tokens to accomplish the same objective? Infinitely more efficient.

Yeah all that should be consider but what makes me worry about accepting those low ball campaigns are scamming since for this it will be more affordable for scammers to advertise on thos forum so maybe managers should set some standards about those and they should not accept a campaign management job just for the sake of their own gains.

As a campaign manager, I have experienced that the team always tries to reduce the weekly payments. Not all companies, but most of them do that. Some companies that are familiar with the forum and quality know the standard pay rates. But some companies want to convince regarding pay rate. So there is no limit for me, companies would offer $5 as well. But I simply tell them, I can't manage with such as pay rates since there will be no participants except spammers. I think sometimes even you will not fund spammer for $5 or $10. As much as companies reduce the pay rate I inform them they will get the same quality users. For $30 you can't expect high-quality and trusted users from the forum. For me, I always try to increase pay rates for the participants. But sometimes being hopeless due to companies budget.

The companies will always want to get the job done in minimal amount of budget. I have never seen any very low paying campaign started by you or the few trusted campaign managers because you know what should be the minimum cost and below that it will only encourage the spammers to join. However, sometimes the campaign does not hire the manager (to save the managing cost or do not have the budget) and offer very less payouts. They still manage to get the participants to join their campaign. For such companies, it does not matter the quality of the posts, but they only care about the signature/advertisements which are flooded by spammers on the forum.

There's no such thing about minimal amount for you to base up on what are the minimum payment or budget because it will all vary from the owner itself but just like
on what others been saying that it would really be just encouraging for spammers to join or who do only comes after with the payment and doesnt mind about
their post quality which it isnt surprising but if you do want for some quality advertising and been handling out with those known managers in the forum
then you should at least consider on putting up some budget if you do come after with some decent handling of said campaign.

No, there isn't any minimum amount of budget, there are no rules on the pay rates of signature campaigns on bitcointalk, this forum just allows you to advertise things by running a signature campaign.

But... Life is just a great example... You can't pay low and get high-quality service, don't you believe? Then check yourself. Bitsler, FortuneJack, Qtum and other companies weren't silly and stupids to pay a decent amount of money to their campaign participants. Have a look at these companies (also chipmixer), check how much they were paying and where are these companies right now. Then have a look at low-paying signature campaigns and check where are those companies diving.

Also, one warning: High-quality poster won't apply for low paying signature campaign, so, if you offer some bucks, you'll get a collection of spammers. People here hate spammers and this, in turn, will damage the reputation of the signature campaign manager and the company.

Good luck :)

when you have many signature campaigns a year, years go by and the market itself begins to define a certain pattern where below that pattern people do not accept it. for example if the campaigns pay $25 for the low ranking, any campaign that introduces $10 for the lowest ranking people will enter this campaign because there is no alternative and when another campaign arrives they will move to the campaign to pay more money, leaving the low-budget campaign manager without valuable members. this is a cycle that can be changed if the low budget campaign is very solid and is going to stay long, in this case even members who have good post quality may prefer to stay in the low budget campaign that will be staying for a long time

You shouldn't be worrying much about scam Bitcoin-paid campaigns. In addition to having responsible managers, the forum has enough users who bring to the attention of DT members any signature campaign in the services section which looks like a scam. Take notice that users are even very quick calling up the attention of newbie managers who are not escrowing campaign funds, fellow users applying even if slots are not available, and so forth. I guess a scam signature campaign will be nipped in the bud even before it takes launch. Or, if it proceeds nevertheless, both the managers and the participants will have to bear red tags on their profile.

That's true, especially with the lower-tiered ranks. But hey, that applies to real life jobs too. If someone has no choice but to take a low paying job, the job satisfaction is pretty low and surely he/ she would jump ship once a better opportunity comes along. Human nature. :)

ha ha ha ....  ;D ;D ;D
This is the fact that the old law has become our character as humans seek the greater and make us tempted, although of course the bigger one has more rules. maybe.....!!!! ???

I'm guessing a contributing factor to paying weekly as opposed to monthly is you can do the work gradually rather than having to pretty much dedicate a day to sending out payments, which could become a little confusing if you are counting the posts on a weekly basis, and then waiting a little longer to actually do the payout. There's also the complexity of posts being deleted, and whether they should/shouldn't count i.e first week passes, the post still exists, but before you make the payment the post has now been deleted 2 weeks later.

Each to their own of course, I just thought it would be easier to do monthly. Depending on how you like to work I suppose. Do the companies behind the campaigns also specify whether it should be weekly, bi-weekly or monthly?

Im aint a manager but basing on my understanding,people would less likely to join up campaigns on having a monthly basis in terms of payment and its already a bit part of the forum or the casual thing where payments should be sent out on weekly basis.Dont know on who do set out the standard duration to be like that but its the most suitable or much preferred by most posters of this forum.

Having on monthly basis would really save up some workload time and also with the fees.If rules would turn out to be like that but the payments are still the same on the standard level
then its up to someone neither he decide to deal with monthly payments or would just simply skip out and find for another weekly paying campaign.

Very interesting question, hi guys there have no minimum budgets to pay into Bitcoin payments in any campaign but it should be higher than zero value. Its an another important thing that sometimes lower value campaigns annoying the hunters.

Not sure I agree with this. This is why I've compared it to fiat based currencies, or even many of the Bitcoin paying jobs out there. Most salaries are done either on a bi weekly basis, or a monthly basis. So, I would think people have come familiar with having one pay day. Its definitely beneficial to recieve smaller, but more frequent payments as it allows you to manage your money without too much effort, but I imagine we would still see full campaigns everywhere if they were on a monthly basis.
Well, fees could theoretically be cheaper to send all in one go. Bitcoin has never really been suited to a micro transaction level. It mainly comes down to workload I assume, and just keeping on top of things.

I think there is no minimum amount of budget in terms of the Bitcoin campaign as long as your not violating anything here in the forum.
And as long as you have the capability to fulfill what you want to give to everyone who will join in the campaign you wanna create here in this platform.