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After creating the BlackHatCoiner (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5326391.msg56646073#msg56646073) theme, and   Findingnemo's (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5326391.msg56646089#msg56646089) answer, I stumbled upon two alternative accounts, which in my opinion are exactly engaged in begging.

One account asks for donations for almost every topic.

The second account created a signature for itself.
https://i.ibb.co/SvsJ4gk/Screenshot.png (https://imgbb.com/)

Doesn't that sound like begging and violate rule # 7?
If this is not begging, then what is this rule?

https://i.ibb.co/XCmsvNK/Screenshot.png (https://ibb.co/NywjHQJ)

2 Accounts Connected

1.GOODCASH (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1265145)
2.DashingAgent (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1183223)

Proof:

[ archive (https://loyce.club/archive/oldposts/294/294196xx.html#msg29419640) ]

https://i.ibb.co/rbLDzdP/Screenshot.png (https://ibb.co/z8LqB6c)
[ archive (https://web.archive.org/web/20210423125452/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile&u=1183223) ]


Related Addresses:

If I understand correctly (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong), just simply having a bitcoin donation address on your signature is probably fine, because it's not necessarily the same with straight-off begging on topics.

But yea, since those 2 accounts seems to be connected, then some action might be required.

Guess that should be no problem as there are so many users and Accounts that have a donation Adress in there Signature.
As i understand the rule "no begging" is meant when you write in your Post " can you please send me some coins"
Or asking constant for donations directly.

As long as it is in the Signature it should be no problem.

Hmm, nice discovery! It could be said that this was an act of begging, but on the other hand, it was not really clear. Since the rules of the forum also do not clearly explain the begging or the actions involved, so this should be viewed from the perspective of each person's objectivity. Personally, I think we should understand in the simplest terms, the rule of the forum is to prohibit begging, as long as he doesn't post or message someone with the purpose of begging, it's fine, right?

Signature is the freedom of each person. If putting the donation address in some of the topics is fine, then I think his signature is too

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2865602.msg29419640#msg29419640
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2865633.msg29419989#msg29419989
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2865642.msg29420064#msg29420064
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1681719.msg28324715#msg28324715
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2684635.msg27428445#msg27428445
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2684719.msg27429126#msg27429126
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2610568.msg26565684#msg26565684

These messages have a direct request for bitcoins and wallet numbers. Do you say these posts look like begging?
Since these two accounts are linked, what happens in such cases?

I'm pretty sure I've seen a few senior members with donation addresses in their signature space before, and I don't think they've ever had any issues with that.  It's not the same as begging in a post as far as the rules are concerned, but in reality there's not much difference.

Is GOODCASH even active anymore?  I see his last activity was today, but the last post I can see was from 2018 and he hasn't made all that many posts in total.

I'd say they look like begging, sort of.  On the other hand, those posts in particular are about 3 years old and I don't think they're much of a problem.

Seems like a neutral tag would be appropriate for both accounts showing their connection through their addresses since they don't seem to abuse any bounties anyway nor joined one.

However aside from the posts of GOODCASH you linked, there seems to be an act of desperation for donations from DashingAgent here as well. The end sentence was kind of sudden. It went from talking about burning coins to "just donate me here".


Just my two cents though. I still would like to hear from other people's take on this.

This guy (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=35) does it too ;)

Even worse: the first 3 topics are the same! Just report them.

For what it's worth: I sometimes (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4959742.0) place an addy (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1813624.0) under a topic too. Just limit it to helpful topics ;)

In this cases it is for sure a begging and thats what I wanted say, you are right on the posted links.
I also just wanted to say that there are a lot of Accounts that have donation adresses in there Signature only and this should be ok.
Sorry for maybe i have written it wrong.

And yeah as LoyceV has written just report them.

At first I was going to say that's not begging but after thinking over it a little more I decided that it is indeed begging.

"Has any whale the power to donate a penny..."

That sentence is indeed begging. If he had left it at:

"Consider BTC donations: 1XsdEfdf..."

I would ignore it tbh. Accepting donations is one thing, begging for donations is another.

DashingAgent is explicitly asking for donations in his signature, while the example you cited merely lists an address. I would not consider the two to be the same.

I think asking for donations in a signature should be acceptable. Asking for a donation in a signature is essentially the same as trying to get people to support your cause in your signature, and I would say the two are very similar.

GOODCASH on the other hand is engaging in asking for donations in his post, and I don't think this should be allowed. The majority of the post is not asking for donations, and I would describe his asking for donations to be a "signature" that is not in the signature area, and this is not allowed. I might argue an exception should be made if a lot of effort or ongoing effort is put into a post or thread, such as the rank up pipeline (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5206035.0) thread, but that is not the case for GOODCASH's thread.

DashingAgent is also an account involved in <possible> scam: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5331199 

In regards to DashingAgent, looks like it falls into a grey area, and even though we're allowed to use donations and referral links in our signature spaces, I think those should get the same treatment as using a malware/phishing link in that space or else it completely defeats the purpose of having those rules ^{[#4 and #7]} in the first place since someone else's signature space will have more impact than a single or multiple posts with donations or a referral code spam.

https://i.ibb.co/c6sHfYY/Screenshot-1.png (https://ibb.co/WkRw8VV)

I informed the moderators about all posts in which there was a request for a donation. As you can see, the posts have been deleted. And as LoyceV noticed, he had a lot of theme duplicates.
I do not know the future of these two accounts, but it can be concluded that adding donation requests to your messages is a violation. There is a system of merits for this, and asking for a donation for posts looks very ugly.
I think that the reputation of this poster has been seriously damaged. Especially if you consider that he is advertising a project (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5331136.0) that has caused a lot of negativity.

The individual posts seem to have been deleted already so I cant take a look at them and provide some feedback. The one isaac_clarke22 shared is a case of begging for merits. I wonder if it was never reported or the admins don't consider it as begging.

About donation addresses in signature spaces or in OPs. I don't consider those to be a case of begging unless the person combines the addy with a soppy story of how he needs money.

One example:

The SpamBusters! Busting rule-breakers constantly (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4720640.0)
They have a donation address in the first line of the OP, but there is no begging or crying for money. I would consider it begging if there was a message saying "please send us bitcoin", we can't do our work with it".

You can put a bitcoin address in your signature whether you're asking for donations directly or not, but what wouldn't be allowed was if you were making posts or spamming just trying to draw attention to the fact that you're looking for donations.

I see that Hilariousandco already answered question. I think this rule more applies to posts, than profile of user. In your screenshot, there is another rule 4. Which says "No referral code (ref link) spam", but it's completely fine to have referral link in signature. Same about donation address.
Many members have their Bitcoin address in signature, even theymos have it.

I'm also curious with the OP's topic if ever that kind of act is considered begging or not. Now it's clear for those rule specifically number 7 "No begging"

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Obviously the context on DashingAgent profile is clearly considered begging but thanks to HilariousCo for confirming that it does not ruled on user's profile but only limited to spam and comments to post.

When I joined this forum it seemed like everyone had their donation address in their signature. It wasn’t uncommon back then to get a BTC or two for making a good post. Even a funny joke could get someone sending you a BTC to grab a beer as thanks. It was a different time back then when this forum was populated with Bitcoiners instead of professional forum users.

I guess my point is that this forum has fallen so far from it’s original intent that even providing a BTC address now that could possibly lead to Bitcoin use is considered bad by some.

I guess it's mainly due to the hefty fees and the lack of the Lightning Network. With Merits, that overshadowed any other "tip" too.

But in other communities such as Reddit, tipping is still like an everyday thing. Memes? Tip. Encouragements? Tip. Self-introduction? Tip. Not just altcoins but Bitcoin too.

That and the fact that bitcoins were a lot cheaper back then. In addition to paying a transaction fee of zero, you could buy 1 BTC for less than $14 up into the first month of 2013. Bitcoin simply is no longer practical for tipping. So it's not the forum that's "fallen from its original intent," it's bitcoin.

BTW, not to brag, but last year I did get an anonymous donation from somebody, and I've never asked for donations. That was pretty cool of whoever it was.


Merits are a fun tipping mechanism but being able to tip posters fNFTs would be better.

Just a note here. We see in the rules that no referral links are allowed, but this applies only for the posts. I've seen people ( and also reported people) who had referral links in their signatures and I was told it's allowed, respectfully the reports were marked as bad ( or not handled I don't remember really but were not approved).

Referral links are allowed in signatures as far back as I can remember, but they are also allowed in personal text and the website option. In exceptional cases, such links are also allowed in posts - you have concrete examples in the Gambling board where some members have been promoting their ref links for years.

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As for the OP case, I had some experience with DashingAgent posts in the Trading board where he mostly shilled altocins, and for his speculations he expected donations - which in a way is not correct and could be considered begging.

From my 100% non scientific observations most of it really depends on how it's done to.

Both in terms of referral links and asking for donations.

I have posted addresses for some things, when I did something for some alt coins that cost me money out of pocket. I posted about what I did and essentially said, if you want to send great, if not also great. Didn't do it to make money, did it because it had to get done. Now it's done.

Same thing thing with referral links. Look I paid to get this coin listed on this exchange, here is my referral link for the exchange. However I was always clear that it was a referral link AND I posted an non referral link too. Same attitude, want to throw me a few pennies you can do it here. If not don't worry about it.

I have done the above and seen many people do it with no issues.

When you get to the:
Hi please send money to this BTC address
Or the I need BTC to do this thing or it wont get done, it's a different story IMO then it's just begging.

-Dave

Indeed, and now we're seeing the effects on Dogecoin too. From a meme currency, now tipping comes with a higher fee despite being inflationary.

And that's so nice of that person! Just curious, was it a large amount?


That's a nice idea too, don't mind having some collectibles to show off. ;D