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What asset is better? Do you think at some point in the future Virtual Bitcoin will replace Physical Gold? Or will Physcial Gold eventually adapt itself to the digital era (virtualization of Gold)?


DIGITAL GOLD is very similar to DIGITAL BITCOIN both are virtual intangibles backed by nothing. There is a reasons they call assets "Real Assets", and then there are 'Intangible Assets"

+67% of all mining on earth is done in CHINA, miners build the blockchain, the blockchain decides whose transactions are completed.

Digital Gold say GLD is already here, and its a complete scam, as they trade 100x more gold than they hold, just like 'fractional reserve banking' where banks loans 10x more than their deposits.

Originally bankers held gold, but they figured out they could loan out more paper-gold than gold they actually held, because the owners of physical gold infrequently came to the door asking for gold withdrawals and such is our history of GOLD FRAUD

Correct comparison with BITCOIN & GOLD, is GOLD means physical gold under your physical control, where nobody knows where its hidden, not even the Government.

GOV loves Bitcoin, they know how much everybody has, and they control exit-entry, so they can control you every action 100%

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Physical GOLD in your hand has never gone to Zero. In Time BITCOIN will return to zero, or some new alt-crypto will fall into favor, and bitcoin will gradually become worthless, all new technology evolves this way. BITCOIN is just software-technology.

The majority of people engaged in the BITCOIN vs GOLD debate like to compare 'virtual gold' to bitcoin, sure its easy to compare two hypotheticals or virtuals, you can make up any argument you wish.

With physical gold, there is no argument, you either have it or you don't, its either fake or real; End of discussion.

With BITCOIN since its 'ethereal' it can be anything to all people, it can be twisted into any abstraction you wish, because its just an abstraction, its not a tangible asset. It's not real property.

BITCOIN is a religion, your either a believer or a doubter.

GOLD is real, its either there or it isn't. You can go anywhere on earth and sell your gold.

BTC you need the internet, you need to find someone who will 'trade', you need  a public place. All BITCOIN is serialized, just like a tattoo on your forehead. All GOLD can be melted down and is indistinguishable. All BTC is marked forever either good or bad by the GOV.

Impossible to sanitize BTC, as 'mixing' now permanently scars that BITCOIN for life, and same for exchanging in a casino.

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In summary the argument on this forum is that GOLD is worthless just like BITCOIN, cuz its just digits on a computer. No that's not true, because most owners of GOLD will tell you, if you ain't holding it, you don't own it.

Just like BITCOIN, most people don't hold their own private-keys, they're ignorant of how BITCOIN works, they let the exchange hold their keys, so they don't even own their own bitcoin.

The problem is most Western people don't own gold, but most Asians own gold.
Most western people don't even own bitcoin, because they let the exchanges hold their keys.

You can't argue with a fool that doesn't own anything, because he doesn't have a clue what ownership even means.

Just like when you deposit your money in a USA bank-account, its no longer your money, the bank owns the money, you get a 'promissory note' as evidence of your deposit. If the bank steals your money, or another party, if your lucky insurance will cover your loss. For BITCOIN there isn't even insurance if somebody robs the exchange.

I'm quite sure that Bitcoin will replace Gold as the main proof-of-value/hedge solution in times of crisis soon. You see... the psychology of humanity is starting to change. Gold is so praised because it held its value through crisis for thousands of years. But remember... past performance is not indicative of future performance. Together with the abrupt technologization of the society changes are produced at psychological level. Many traditions are no longer respected, new "traditions" take their places. This is how evolution works.

Gold is not that scarce - we don't know how much more is there to mine on Earth, how much are we going to be able to recycle in the future or if we're going to be able to synthesize it labs or find it on other planets or asteroids. Gold has its value, I'm not denying it, but Bitcoin, especially at this price in my opinion is a no-brainer choice.

I agree, and hungry men will soon be shown a plate of food, and like Jesus they'll be satisfied of hunger.

Same thing goes for porn, everybody will be masturbating and give up on women. Porn will sky-rocket and only available as NFT

Insanity that new 'normal' for midget minds.

Yes, post reset. Permanent lockdowns, who needs real tangible wealth (gold) or real food, just slip that Bill-Gates biosyn beef burger under my door.

BITCOIN's 'proof' only works because the majority of the West are now  mathematical illiterates. All of the BTC propaganda is a lie, but we live in an era of lies, and people will greatly accept lies, if it means they can be 'rich'

The irony is they're rich, but must spend their lives in a lockdown box.

The idiots tried to destroy the statues and history as quick as possible, but they forgot to ask 'who is running the machine' to keep the DOD-TCP-IP runining?

Western people don't even own gold, and never did; In ASIA everybody owns Gold, if you ain't got gold, forget about ever having a wife. The problem is porn and Bitcoin has rotted the western mind.

The western midget minded man-child thinks that virtual-reality beats reality, and virtual-currency trumps real wealth. This is not going to end well for the western mental midgets

Synthesizing gold is alchemy, and was practiced 1,000's year by con-artists, BITCOIN is modern alchemy making money out of nothing but bullshit.

Yep, MUSK is going to find lots of Gold any day now when he's out scouting the nearby asteroids.

The recurring problem, is that most of the world don't give a hell about money, or getting rich. They just want comfort, a home, family, children, and a wife. But the BItcoin nut-cases have lost touch with reality, when they get older their going be some real messed up senior citizens in pampers.

In times of crisis the last thing that anybody will want to see is your smart-phone, in a crisis you will not be able to charge the damn-thing, nor will there be an internet for it to talk with; Most people will fall back to barter, if you have something worthwhile to exchange you will live, if you babble about bitcoin, or crypto they'll probably just shoot you and eat you.

We live in an era where people never put down their smart phones, nor ever look at another person in the eyes, no wonder they think that 'humans' have changed, no people to tethered to an iPhone/Android tracking device are now non-human, but the rest of us are just fine.

Most of the stuff you have underlined is not different much from gold to BTC. You can't really sell gold "anywhere" anyway - even if you do, you will most likely be paid for the weight and not the real value of the coins/bullion. Bitcoin ATMs are nowadays there in almost every larger city.

And then, why should Bitcoin go back to zero? It was only zero because it was only discovered. Do you know how much the first ever gold nugget has costed? Do you know how cheap gold was if you go back to 1900?

Bitcoin is backed by math. Virtual gold would be backed by.... physical gold, which cannot be truly, legitimately audited. So no, Bitcoin will not be replaced by the virtualization of gold since the latter cannot be decentralized in the first place.

Therea re so many flaws in your arguments and all they really require is logical thinking..

No asset is going to REPLACE another asset.Physical gold and Bitcoin will continue to exist for years.
Just like how fiat money and Bitcoin/cryptocurrencies will continue to exist for years.
OP,your post is just whining about everything without providing a solution to any problem.
Bitcoin is a programming code,backed by nothing.
Gold is just a shiny metal-backed by nothing.
Fiat money are backed by nothing.
Nothing is backed by nothing.
Is this a problem?NO,because value is a concept.Something is valuable,because a big number of people think that it has value.
There you go.This is economy and finance 101. ;D

The market decides what has more value.


Bitcoin is not truly “backed by nothing”, it relies on the free market for price discovery. If there’s someone who’s willing to buy my Bitcoin for $1.00, then that’s the price.


It’s not as simple as that. Haha. Miners don’t decide, they simply follow the consensus rules.


Can Gold be used to buy Heroine?

You know historically Opium is called black gold, because by weight its worth more than gold.

When Opium was transferred to buyer by wooden-chest, the seller wanted GOLD, which was universal 'money',

Hell even JP-Morgan ( the bankers banker ) once said "Gold is money, all else is credit"

Heroin is just refined Opium using a very simple process with commonly found house-hold materials.

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Miner's control the blockchain, they decide which transactions go into the blockchain.

Consensus rules is software, so long as 51% of the miners are running the same software, the consensus is fair and nobody can cheat ( double-spend )

Given that +67% of all mining is done in CHINA, and most are running the same BITMAIN hardware that calls home to a company that is now under CCP control.

Even most of the mining pools are in China, under ANT-Bitmain, alibaba, taobao-jack ma control, now CCP

It would a super simple matter for CCP to tell miners to all run a "CCP Approved Mining" software mining app, or even better when the BITMAIN ( or any china hw mining box ) calls home, to just have the approved transactions scraped.

People don't understand is that China is 'community rule' they do all do what GOV says for the good of community, and its a good system ( seen with my own eyes ), for they care about the people, unlike the USA where GOV doesn't give a shit about the public ( think how cops kill at random )

BITCOIN greedy people let it evolve this way, they let China take over mining ,and they let CCP take over BITCOIN; Here on this board of course its been denial for years, but everytime BTC price goes down, people open their eyes and ears for a short time.

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Tangibles say a gun, are an force multiplier they make the weak strong. Intangibles like bitcoin are useless in the real world, unless you find a greater fool. A fool that buys your bullshit that your promoting.

The argument is always my virtual is stronger than your physical, sure that's a strong argument. Study philosophy, people used to murder each other over such abstract reasoning. Like "how many angels can dance on the tip of a needle".

Assets fall out of favor all the time. The reason GOLD is down right now is because its liquid, people need to cover their margin calls. The reason BTC is slow to collapse, is that its extremely hard to exit 'hotel california'.

I like the fact that you talk about 'shiny' as if it meant something, like the shiny bitcoin's we see all the time on websites, to suggest that bitcoin is a tangible like gold?

FIAT is backed by nothing, that is what begat bitcoin in 2009, it was a non-issue, everybody agreed the USD was shit.

If this is econ&finance 101, then your are a bot.

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No get the context of the post. Can I approach a dealer and use Gold to buy Heroine without laughing at me? Because I know there are Dark Market sites in TOR that would be very happy to accept Bitcoin as payment.

Gold in the hand is the same as owning Bitcoin with your private keys. They are both yours in the genuine sense of ownership. They both have real value. But why the question?

I am one of those people who believe that all Bitcoins are the same and equal. Bitcoin is fungible. Your Bitcoin gained by selling cocaine and my Bitcoin paid to me for my honest work are the same Bitcoin. They are equal. We may attach all sorts of subjective value to them but such attachments, like values on the basis of the country from which the Bitcoin is mined, do not apply to all. Their real value is the one that prevails. And their real value says that 1BTC=1BTC not 1BTC from deep web = 0.95BTC in real value or 1BTC mined in China = 0.5BTC in real value.

That's a very old discussion and discussed many times already. We need to understand that there should be no comparison between physical gold and bitcoin as they have different nature. So no asset will replace the other one ever! The physical gold is being used since many centuries and have become an integral part of human life. Bitcoin is comparatively new and has quickly become popular amongst the millennials and tech savvy generation.

Both will stay in the market without replacing one another. I personally invest in both of them and that's how it should be! There's no need for a comparison.

NO its NOT.

If you hide your gold, I can never find it.

If I know anything about you, from social-engineering, I can determine your private-key, and sweep your funds.

BITCOIN is not fungible, there are 3 flavors of BTC addresses - virgin mined, pristine, and mixed; Coinbase will not accept mixed, most BTC today has been mixed. Please stop the talking points, its boring. BTC is not fungible, why do you even bother bringing this up?

There is nothing REAL about a number on a computer.

BTC is a 'pet rock' on a computer, price discovery is based on bullshit, up/down, greed/fear.

Gold is liquid, can be sold anywhere on earth, anytime. BTC requires fools, fools with money which is rare, as most people on the planet are poor.

In China if your BTC address is on a black-list, then expect 20% par from black-market. If in USA your address is on a COINBASE black-list, or tainted expect to have to sell it on the black-market for penny's on the dollar.

The entire scam of BTC by GOV is in the future all addresses have to have KYC association, otherwise black-listed, worldwide this is coming.

CHINA controls BTC, they don't want  their people moving yuan outside of China, USA has same problem, but USA already has IRS-COINBASE to be their policeman.

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I don't think so, just getting these people to admit that CHINA the CCP now controls BITCOIN is a miracle of god.

Nobody is comparing the king of shit-coins(BTC) to gold; What we're comparing is physical-gold  in the hand, to this thing you call BTC, where the block-chain addresses/transactions are determined by Chinese Consensus Rules.

Like this thread, from the first response, they go on to talk about "GLD", paper-gold, or computer gold, its like people can't step back from 'virtual reality', he it ain't real to begin with, so don't try to virtualize 'gold', you either got it in your hand or you don't

BTC is the ultimate shit, because all are told to HODL and not sell, so real price discovery has so far never really been allowed to happen.

Millenials are going for DOGE these days, get with the program.

Savvy Tech's were sold a pile of bile in 2009, about privacy, anonymity, and 'make your own bank', today all know that BITCOIN is US-GOV 100%, that's why BTC is down, and real alt-privacy coins are skyrocketing.


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To be fair, I know some dealers that will gladly accept gold as a payment for drugs and I know this because people in my country go ape shit when something is made out of gold, it is a status symbol in this country so it will look far more easy to buy drugs with gold.

OK, then how can you pay your dealer for $75.00 worth of Heroine if you’re holding $100.00 worth of Gold in your pocket? Do you bring a scale with you to weigh the Gold? Do you bring a tool with you to cut away $25.00 worth? Or, why not sell the Gold for fiat, then buy the Heroine.

The point is, Gold makes the worst Medium of Exchange.

I am not convinced about that, if there is only Bitcoin in the cryptocurrency space then we should have said that it is special, general investors look at the cryptocurrency market and see thousands of coins, literally codes with different names and they do not see anything special as well. Past performance is not indicative for the future performance but if gold is viewed as a source of wealth for thousands of years you cannot expect that to change all of a sudden.

I have seen an article about an asteroid filled with gold and the space agencies are making planning to route that to earth, if it is possible then we might see abundance in gold and the price might go down. 

I understand that Musk is up there right doing a survey and its next crypto-meme, asteroid-coin, aka space-chain SPC; 'Beyond the Moon' is the meme

But honestly its more of the same 'Looking over there, tomorrow we'll have X', but what do we have today? Over-Priced virtual shit-coins(BTC), and versus 100K year old wealth;

Still nobody know nothing about "chinas" ownership and control of bitcoin? Odd? Utter silence, sort of like Wokism

this is a misunderstanding of Bitcoin itself....Bitcoin is not digital gold, Bitcoin is Bitcoin. ^{(stop calling Bitcoin is digital gold)}

i am surprised you are not tired of writing this all.  i ask you, are you a Hodler or are you just someone who wants to try to brainwash all of us with your understanding which i think is nothing special!

Let's see,  on the one hand you have a tangible with 100k year history of value.

On the other hand you have an intangible with a ten year history.

I really think this is the result of video games, where most millenials think that tangible and intangible are the same thing.

Still haven't gotten a single person here to come to the realization that we're not talking about paper-gold, or USA controlled NSA-BITCOIN.

We're talking about physical-gold in your hand, versus a crypto-currency that is controlled by the CCP ( china-gov ) called Bitcoin.

It's mind boggling, not only is bitcoin non-tangible, but its created by an aggravated enemy of the USA. China got rich making the mining-hw, running the pools, and running the miners to make BTC, and selling it the West. Then China uses the US-dollars to BUY GOLD. The Chinese miners decide which transactions go into the block-chain, coming 'black-lists' will seal the fate of BTC.

This is what the Chinese call the 'fire drill' ( driver gets out and runs around the car ) or pocket money, where money comes in left-pocket, goes out right-pocket  a magic trick played on the Western Fools.

That doesn’t change the fact that Bitcoin is very useful as a hedge, and self-sovereign, censorship-resistant cryptocurrency, that’s issued outside of the control of a State.

A true statement? Yes or No?

Lot's of people pump BTC on this 'forum' and don't own any BTC, lots of them get promised BTC if they post.

People who have never setup a full-node, or a wallet-server, or hacked code for BTC, or cloned BTC, what do they really know about "Bitcoin" ??? Nada

People who have never lost BTC because they failed to backup the original wallet-password, and priv-key; Now they know something, you learn BTC in the gutter, getting beatup. It's best to learn BTC when you have little to lose, worst misktake is to come in with all your ammo, and get wiped out  on the first little mistake.

Hell were supposed to talk about "GOLD", how can you mess this up? Well idiots buy fools gold all the time, so its does happen. When you buy gold, go to a legitimate gold shop with lots of customers and pay cash. All gold shops have quick test, to handle the walkin gold.

Which has real value? Gold in the Hand, or a big random number on a computer?? What is better when the SHTF?

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Well it does change the fact if your fact's are lies.

Let's see Hedge? Worked Summer of 2020 until two weeks ago, since two weeks ago you would have lost your arse. ( If U want a hedge going forward in crypto DOGE or ETH will do better )

Self-Soveriegn my ass, owned by the CCP (chinese-gov), all Mining is in CHINA, all MINING HW is in China, U think CCP is sovereign?

Censorship? Resistant BTC gets $2B a year stolen exchange theft & social-engineering, its the biggest ripoff for criminals in the world right now ( people come to BTC to get rich, not really sure what your getting to here, but if you want to spend the 'fees' you can post a string of characters in the blockchain, they charge by bytes; its not censored if this is what you mean? I doubt it. )

I'm going to guess that this is a new one they have pulled out of their arse "Censorship resistant fiat', or 'censorship resistant toilet paper', what does it really mean I can draw porn on my toilet paper now??

Control of State? R U insane BTC came out of the NSA, sha256, & secp256 are NSA algo's, NakamotoSAtohshi picking secp256k1 is proof that he was NSA, nobody else was even using it at the time.

The exit's&entrance of BITCOIN  are exchanges, in the USA they're now just fronts for the IRS to collect tax information for non-compliance.

Why do you even bother with your lies? It only works on newbs

Last one funniest of all, so U think China the largest population on earth is not a State? Or do you just choose to ignore the fact that all mining - building blockchains and accepting transactions is done in CHINA, under CCP ownership ( that's right CCP owns all the mining HW in China ).


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@btc-room101

What are you doing here on Bitcointalk?, this is a Bitcoin forum, not a Gold forum

You are making comments about Bitcoin and Gold and proceeding to "correct"
who counters your points, again this is a Bitcoin forum.

Most of the threads you have started HERE (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;threads;u=2038954;sa=showPosts) are negative leaning, are you trying to convert us all?

You should ask theymos for a name change - gold-room101

I wouldn't put too much faith in gold, it'll probably be worthless very soon.  It may be a shiny metal, but there are other metals that are far more useful, like: copper, aluminum, iron, tin, nickel, magnesium, tungsten, among others.

Gold can easily be dissolved (yet another way it can go to zero) by red fuming nitric acid, aka Aqua regia.  This cannot be done to a bitcoin.  It is not currently possible to dissolve a bitcoin with any known acid, this alone gives it greater value.

The uselessness of gold has become more apparent as the knowledge and usefulness of bitcoin has spread. Moving forward this will continue as bitcoin's penetration increases.

You think too much of “what is currently the better investment”. Wrong path.


What can they do to the network? It’s the full nodes that give demand to what they produce. Blocks. The nodes demand that miners follow the consensus rules, or be rejected.


How did the government censor those “bad transactions”. No one can censor Bitcoin, it’s censorship-resistant.


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What do you mean by virtualizing of gold? Y’all should stop with all these confusion, gold remains what it is , it can’t be virtualized, but you can still invest in online and own a share of it from companies that have real gold bars (unless that’s the virtualizing of gold that you’re talking about, whereby companies dig or buy physical gold bars, and then let people own a percentage share of their storage of gold’s by investing, since people can’t go around with physical gold bars). So, I am guessing that’s what it is, because it is not changing from that.

Next thing I would like to add is that you all should stop looking for replacement, because none of these two things that you have mentioned here is going to replace the other, they are both going to still be around, just make your choice on what you like and stop trash-talking the other ffs.

Bitcoin is like the gold of the crypto market, but it will not replace physical gold.
Even if the price of bitcoin surpasses gold many times, it will not replace gold, perhaps the two will develop and play different roles.

If we think about what gold is, we will quickly understand that it is a fairly universal means of payment for its time. Once upon a time, when the gold standard was in effect and the dollar could be exchanged at a fixed rate for gold, there were clear rules of the game. But when he was untied from this rule, the world slowly began to plunge into chaos. Now the era of bitcoin has come. Gold is completely uncompetitive in this case and it makes no sense to compare them.

I agree, gold and bitcoin will coexist and play different roles.
In the future, if bitcoin continues to be seen by everyone as a place to invest with high profits and risks, gold is a place to store assets with a low level of risk.

The tangible will exist, the bitcoin derived from a 20 year old NSA crypto called SHA256 has a limited shelf-life before hacked;  Within the next 5 years BTC will be kaput.

It can be said that gold and bitcoin will always coexist, if we save gold it is certain that the risks we face are light, even though we store gold for a long time, but the profits we get will not be high, in contrast to bitcoin, bitcoin does have a high risk. high, but if we store it for a long time, it is likely that the selling value will be high. The risk is high, the profit we get is also high.

I completely agree. In addition, I still have absolutely no confidence in any Chinese projects. It seems that there are interesting ones, but the courage to work with them is not enough.

The Bitcoin as we know it.. maybe. Why would we ignore the fact that it's open source though? Solutions in the open-source world exist for almost anything, including this theory that you're trying to propagate. Even if Bitcoin as we know it ceases to exist, there will come another version of it that will not be defunct anymore.

If you hate on BTC that much, why even bother wasting your time here?

Physical gold and virtual gold (bitcoin) are different in terms of price too, where the price of bitcoin is more expensive than physical gold but the advantages of physical gold will continue to be worth even though it is as small as a grain of dust (likened to) but bitcoin if there is no community and everyone has tired of mining or something i think bitcoin will be worthless and just a memory
sorry if my opinion is wrong because this is my opinion i prefer physical gold

So much sooo wrong here....
Gold is irreplaceable for interconnecting components with many many applications in electronic devices. If there were other more viable metals to be used in place of it manufacturers would NOT be using expensive gold.

Regarding "Gold can easily be dissolved", no, it cannot. To quote the Wikipedia article on it (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold), "Gold is unaffected by most acids. It does not react with hydrofluoric, hydrochloric, hydrobromic, hydriodic, sulfuric, or nitric acid. It does react with selenic acid, and is dissolved by aqua regia, a 1:3 mixture of nitric acid and hydrochloric acid. Nitric acid oxidizes the metal to +3 ions, but only in minute amounts, typically undetectable in the pure acid because of the chemical equilibrium of the reaction".

The statement about is utterly pointless given that Bitcoin is not a physical thing  ::)

All that out of the way, personally I'll take Bitcoin as an asset over gold any day. Precious metals have their place as an investment medium but do not have the growth potential that crypto has.