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Title: Trading base on market sessions
Post by: Desmong on April 27, 2021, 06:04:47 PM
Trading requires adequate knowledge on how the market moves embedded with factors that are responsible for the fluctuation of price. It's very important to also know when to trade and when not to trade cause a lot of factors can influence the entire movement of the market. Just like the market reaction to bitcoin that made it to fall to $49,000 some few days ago.

It is quite important to know the various trading sessions which could help to know the part of the day in which volatility frequently occur. There are some trading sessions that is characterized by high volatility, creating more opportunities to make more money compared to trading sessions with low volatility. Low volatility market can be frustrating atimes cos their is less opportunity to make good money, spending more time on a particular trade without any good result. Quite frustrating!

I believe no man is an island of knowledge, we learn by sharing our experience and consensus with others. I believe what I am about to share with us could help one or two persons in their trading journey. I'm open to suggestions and opinions.

We can make money trading when the market moves up and also moves down. But we will have a very difficult time trying to make money when the market doesn't move at all.

We have four trading sessions in the market:

-SYDNEY SESSION
-ASIAN/TOKYO SESSION
-LONDON SESSION
-NEW YORK SESSION

SYDNEY SESSION: represents Australia and other countries and it time zone. Market opens by 9pm GMT and close by 6am GMT.

ASIAN/TOKYO SESSION: represents Japan and other Asian countries around it. Opens by 11pm GMT and close by 8am GMT.

LONDON SESSION: represents the United Kingdom and other European countries around it. Opens by 7am GMT and close by 4pm GMT.

NEW YORK SESSION: represents the U.S. opens by 1pm GMT and close by 4pm GMT.

Note: All sessions last for 9 hours. You can always add 9 hours to the opening time to get the closing time of any particular session.

GMT: Greenwich Mean Time: https://greenwichmeantime.com
https://24timezones.com/time

BEST TIME TO TRADE

-When two sessions are overlapping of course! These are also the time when major news events come out to potentially spark some volatility and directional movements.
-The European session tend to be the busiest out of the four sessions.
-The middle of the week (Tuesday, Wesday and Thursday) typically shows the most movement, as the pips range widens.


WORST TIME TO TRADE

Sundays: Everyone is enjoying their weekend.
Holidays: Everyone is taking a break.



Title: Re: Trading base on market sessions
Post by: Alisha-k on May 05, 2021, 01:53:08 PM
Trading when two sessions overlap remains the best time to trade. For instance by 1pm GMT the Bank of America opens and thus money is pumped into the market causing the market to be more volatile and about the time Sydney and Tokyo sessions are still open causing the volatility even more tensed. Personally I love trading during  Newyork and Sydney sessions since at least 2 or more markets would be open


Title: Re: Trading base on market sessions
Post by: Desmong on May 05, 2021, 05:09:26 PM
Trading when two sessions overlap remains the best time to trade. For instance by 1pm GMT the Bank of America opens and thus money is pumped into the market causing the market to be more volatile and about the time Sydney and Tokyo sessions are still open causing the volatility even more tensed. Personally I love trading during  Newyork and Sydney sessions since at least 2 or more markets would be open

New York sessions is quite okay but most time the trend always change during this period.
The European session is also quite massive cause this is the period where volatility is much expected. There's an overlapping during the early time of the U.S  session like from 1pm GMT to 4pm GMT. After this period the market volatility becomes reduced.


Title: Re: Trading base on market sessions
Post by: hugeblack on May 05, 2021, 09:01:11 PM
You need more convincing evidence to prove that the Bitcoin price may be affected by the different trading sessions based on the countries, or it has a link with the traditional markets.
Bitcoin prices come from the price movement in the traditional 24-hour platforms or OTC markets, in which fluctuations are made based on supply, demand and liquidity movement, both of which are not specific to an accurate time basis.

There may be a correlation between increasing trading pairs on the platform based on time and individual activity, but trading bots make it possible to trade 24 hours.


Title: Re: Trading base on market sessions
Post by: harapan on May 05, 2021, 10:27:51 PM
I don't know much about market sessions which is one reason why I don't considerit before making trades. I used to think these market sections are only effective in forex markets and not crypto too but I do know that there are much more bigger market movements whenever the Asians wake up or their market session officially starts. But thanks for pointing out some bad days for trafung. I agree with you because I've seen this happen first hand on multiple occasions. Market usually get a deep turn to the bottom whenever it gets to a week and especially on Sundays.


Title: Re: Trading base on market sessions
Post by: boty on May 05, 2021, 11:00:59 PM
understanding market season atleast will help us their character, how assian will be , or europe or maybe america. when we look it carefully there is something character, maybe in assian will continue the trend that formed in US or something else.but so far for traders , they dont look it seriously they just focus on price analisys.


Title: Re: Trading base on market sessions
Post by: cabron on May 05, 2021, 11:27:24 PM
There is no session in crypto since trading goes 247 but maybe.
Those sessions are normally for Foreign Exchange Market but it's noticeable that crypto marketcap changes whenever the sun sets and rises on the other side. Probably related to the time when a trader wakes up and then bids on the market again and when about to sleep, he gets out of the market or so.


Title: Re: Trading base on market sessions
Post by: Hippocrypto on May 05, 2021, 11:39:18 PM
understanding market season atleast will help us their character, how assian will be , or europe or maybe america. when we look it carefully there is something character, maybe in assian will continue the trend that formed in US or something else.but so far for traders , they dont look it seriously they just focus on price analisys.

Indeed, having no focus would lead most traders to more loss and worst is panic. Because of those factors I do believe more people would experience this situations without knowing the solutions. But if you're not going to surrender, someday will bring your fortune and lucky profit once you can overcome all those previous failures. In order to recover what had been lost, use your worst nightmares in trading as an inspiration to pursue your future and build a strong mindset.


Title: Re: Trading base on market sessions
Post by: BBliar on May 06, 2021, 04:44:21 AM
None of us can trade 24/7 and we can not force our bodies to trade in time we should sleep on beds. I get your idea for market activity and price movements but I won't force myself to sacrifice my sleep, just to trade.

If I find out a good entry and it is time to sleep, I will set my order to wait for luck. If I am lucky enough, when I wake up in the morning, my order will be filled at discount price.


Title: Re: Trading base on market sessions
Post by: semobo on May 06, 2021, 06:30:38 AM
This is 24/7 market session so I don't make trading decisions based on the timezones or whatever things you are talking about but its true that you can't trade all the time while you can make it possible with trading bots. It may apply to the p2p trading when you are trading cryptos to your local fiat because most advertisers are going to be online at the peak time so you may have better liquidity along with price offers.


Title: Re: Trading base on market sessions
Post by: Kong Hey Pakboy on May 06, 2021, 06:53:03 AM
None of us can trade 24/7 and we can not force our bodies to trade in time we should sleep on beds. I get your idea for market activity and price movements but I won't force myself to sacrifice my sleep, just to trade.

If I find out a good entry and it is time to sleep, I will set my order to wait for luck. If I am lucky enough, when I wake up in the morning, my order will be filled at discount price.
You can use bots to do automatic trades for you 24/7 although it will be problematic since you have to tweak it base on your preference but in the end all of the effort you put into that bot is pretty much worth since you can spend more of your time not on the screen because it automatically trades.


Title: Re: Trading base on market sessions
Post by: Zilon on May 06, 2021, 07:22:11 AM
Higher volatility entails more trading volume. I only trade by 1pmGMT when the market volatility tends to be higher. By this time three sessions would be open at the same time making the market more volatile.

During Sydney sessions NZD and AUD pairs are always doing well with respect to the market trend and this session resumes by 9pm GMT but I hardly trade during this session


Title: Re: Trading base on market sessions
Post by: BBliar on May 06, 2021, 07:24:23 AM
You can use bots to do automatic trades for you 24/7 although it will be problematic since you have to tweak it base on your preference but in the end all of the effort you put into that bot is pretty much worth since you can spend more of your time not on the screen because it automatically trades.
Bot can not decide price to buy and sell. You set it. I don't have money to buy bot scripts and don't actually believe in bots.

I want to get rich slowly but solidly. Bots do not give me safe feeling.


Title: Re: Trading base on market sessions
Post by: Kong Hey Pakboy on May 06, 2021, 07:33:50 AM
You can use bots to do automatic trades for you 24/7 although it will be problematic since you have to tweak it base on your preference but in the end all of the effort you put into that bot is pretty much worth since you can spend more of your time not on the screen because it automatically trades.
Bot can not decide price to buy and sell. You set it. I don't have money to buy bot scripts and don't actually believe in bots.

I want to get rich slowly but solidly. Bots do not give me safe feeling.
You can get open source ones that are free and no not a lot of bots aren't bad because there is gunbot for example. That's on you if you don't want to use a bot for trading, I am just giving you an option.


Title: Re: Trading base on market sessions
Post by: ReiMomo on May 06, 2021, 04:22:44 PM
In my opinion, two sessions overlap might affect the price of the bitcoin and the best navigation tool to know when to trade. But it doesn’t apply anytime as it is not just the trading platforms that are making the price of the bitcoin drive. You also have to consider the timezone of miners in China, you should know when are they usually dumping in Bitcoin to withdraw cash and continue mining with their hardware.

Also, whales affect the price of the cryptocurrencies, we should know when do they dump and pump as most of them are privately trading and don't follow the regular timezone.


Title: Re: Trading base on market sessions
Post by: Rruchi man on May 07, 2021, 06:30:50 PM
A knowledge of each trading session is an essential requirement for any trader who would love to gain from the high volatility the market has to offer. Without a proper knowledge of this one wouldn't understand the perfect time to place a trade.

If you trade by 2pmGMT when the bank of America would open for the day , both sydney and tokyo sessions would also be trading at that same time meaning a higher volatility from stocks.


Title: Re: Trading base on market sessions
Post by: Desmong on May 07, 2021, 10:11:48 PM
In my opinion, two sessions overlap might affect the price of the bitcoin and the best navigation tool to know when to trade. But it doesn’t apply anytime as it is not just the trading platforms that are making the price of the bitcoin drive. You also have to consider the timezone of miners in China, you should know when are they usually dumping in Bitcoin to withdraw cash and continue mining with their hardware.
Sometime I just laugh of my skull when I see people trading without the knowledge of how the trading sessions work. All they notice is the market tend to be volatile at a particular period of time and suddenly every ease off. This had happened to me many time before I now discovered that sessions in trading are very important as watching your charts every single moment.

When two sessions overlap, their would be more participants in the market coupled with news which could also triggered volatility spike. In all we'll should endeavor to back test the trading sessions to see the differences. I come in peace!


Title: Re: Trading base on market sessions
Post by: wahyu wida on May 08, 2021, 05:37:49 AM
A knowledge of each trading session is an essential requirement for any trader who would love to gain from the high volatility the market has to offer. Without a proper knowledge of this one wouldn't understand the perfect time to place a trade.

If you trade by 2pmGMT when the bank of America would open for the day , both sydney and tokyo sessions would also be trading at that same time meaning a higher volatility from stocks.
in this case besides we are more effective in trading, so that we can determine which pair we will choose, it can also be more profitable because we know the big movements at that time. for example we are trading the European or American market in the morning, so I think it becomes less effective waiting


Title: Re: Trading base on market sessions
Post by: CaVO32 on May 09, 2021, 08:27:22 PM
You need more convincing evidence to prove that the Bitcoin price may be affected by the different trading sessions based on the countries, or it has a link with the traditional markets.
Bitcoin prices come from the price movement in the traditional 24-hour platforms or OTC markets, in which fluctuations are made based on supply, demand and liquidity movement, both of which are not specific to an accurate time basis.

There may be a correlation between increasing trading pairs on the platform based on time and individual activity, but trading bots make it possible to trade 24 hours.

This is what also I am wondering here, because in crypto, everyone is free to trade 24/7 unlike in the traditional market. So how can the OP correlate those sessions in crypto market? Does he have any basis about those best times to trade, or he is just basing it from the traditional market? I believe it is harder to make a conclusion when it comes to crypto market as it is moving 24/7.


Title: Re: Trading base on market sessions
Post by: sedahan13 on June 02, 2021, 05:32:56 AM
At the moment, I dont see any different of price action of crypto in different time session because everyone from around the world can trade it in 24/7. That trading market session only valid for forex market because many company or bank as Liquidity provider traded according to market sesion in each country.


Title: Re: Trading base on market sessions
Post by: Lakai01 on June 02, 2021, 11:58:56 AM
-snip-
There may be a correlation between increasing trading pairs on the platform based on time and individual activity, but trading bots make it possible to trade 24 hours.
In addition, one must also mention the arbitrage bots here. Even if there are differences in the different trading windows, this type of bots immediately takes advantage of the price difference, which leads to the prices being aligned again in the shortest possible time, especially for high-traffic coins like BTC.

So I also don't think that there is such a thing as a trading window in cryptos at all.


Title: Re: Trading base on market sessions
Post by: justdimin on June 02, 2021, 05:54:12 PM
In addition, one must also mention the arbitrage bots here. Even if there are differences in the different trading windows, this type of bots immediately takes advantage of the price difference, which leads to the prices being aligned again in the shortest possible time, especially for high-traffic coins like BTC.

So I also don't think that there is such a thing as a trading window in cryptos at all.
Arbitrage bots are making insane amount of money, they are making so much money on defi that it is basically not even real at this point. I have seen a bot working so fast that, as soon as someone trades on one pair, they handle all the other pairs and make that profit. It is really getting crazy at this point and that is why I think it is quite important to realize bots are what the real danger to the market and people are forgetting that.

We talk about Elon Musk, we talk about Tesla or amazon or Biden or paypal or whatever we want to talk about but the automatic parts of the crypto world are the real problem. Like for example people who get a loan from USDT collateral end up with losing all their money so their bitcoins are turned into USDT which causes bitcoin price to drop, billions of dollars with the same thing causes it to go down as well, all automatic.


Title: Re: Trading base on market sessions
Post by: gabbie2010 on June 02, 2021, 07:56:19 PM
At the moment, I dont see any different of price action of crypto in different time session because everyone from around the world can trade it in 24/7. That trading market session only valid for forex market because many company or bank as Liquidity provider traded according to market sesion in each country.
The write up work well with forex trading, I was once a forex trader and I know the impact of London opening on the market and overlapping session there is increasein price volatility in those period. however market sessions don't work with cryptocurrencies trading because Price Action can be activated at any time a trader is expected to focus mainly on TA and FA appropriately, a crypto trader is also expected to monitor price 24/7 to catch the beginning of a trend.


Title: Re: Trading base on market sessions
Post by: Sterbens on June 04, 2021, 01:15:30 PM
It's true, the time and place that differs between countries is one of the factors that can be said to affect the price of Bitcoin. it's just that to analyze it is not easy. because we cannot know in a particular market which countries are actively trading. especially in the biggest markets like Binance, Bitrex. etc. which provides information on the dominant activity on a massive scale.


Title: Re: Trading base on market sessions
Post by: DarkDays on June 04, 2021, 02:55:13 PM
-snip-
There may be a correlation between increasing trading pairs on the platform based on time and individual activity, but trading bots make it possible to trade 24 hours.
So I also don't think that there is such a thing as a trading window in cryptos at all.
I agree, there is not much difference in orders and little difference between weekdays and weekends. For sure, this is not the case for the forex trading but that's the power of decentralisation - a 24/7 access to any market.

So as far as I've noticed the different timezones for different markets is not something of concern for the crypto space.


Title: Re: Trading base on market sessions
Post by: judaspriest on June 04, 2021, 06:23:18 PM
It's true, the time and place that differs between countries is one of the factors that can be said to affect the price of Bitcoin. it's just that to analyze it is not easy. because we cannot know in a particular market which countries are actively trading. especially in the biggest markets like Binance, Bitrex. etc. which provides information on the dominant activity on a massive scale.
in my opinion there is no difference, we can see the price of bitcoin is the same as Bittrex, Binance and Bitfinex,
in this scope everything can be controlled and the price is the same but like in Zimbabwe or Africa Bitcoin prices usually tend to be more expensive,
so this is not dependent on the exchange, this is it depends on the country


Title: Re: Trading base on market sessions
Post by: teosanru on June 04, 2021, 06:52:06 PM
This is pretty useful information but these things aren't really holding true anymore in the markets except for that US Session. Instead, I have seen another sign of volume spikes in the crypto market. It's generally around the 4-hour close mark each day. Especially the ones that happen at 4 a.m. GMT in the morning and 4 p.m. GMT in the Evening. If you see on a 30 Minute chart every 30 min before the 4-hour close has some huge volumes. One reason for this that I can think of is the funding fees. Many people might close their positions before the candle closes and they open it back again to avoid the funding fee which is charged at exactly the close of a 4-hour candle in the futures market. But this time can be a great time for scalpers as volume and volatility is all what a trader really requires.


Title: Re: Trading base on market sessions
Post by: Ararbermas on June 05, 2021, 07:03:35 AM
It's true, the time and place that differs between countries is one of the factors that can be said to affect the price of Bitcoin. it's just that to analyze it is not easy. because we cannot know in a particular market which countries are actively trading. especially in the biggest markets like Binance, Bitrex. etc. which provides information on the dominant activity on a massive scale.
i don't know if its possible to happen because we are  in the internet and perhaps most of it will be updated when there's a changes in the market in my personal opinion ..  What i mean is even in a different exchanges, site and etc it must be accurate right even in other countries ? Wherein unless if there's a delay and they can't update the information as soon as possible ,  Correct me if i'm wrong because to be honest i don't have such experience.


Title: Re: Trading base on market sessions
Post by: irsykes on June 05, 2021, 09:21:31 PM
To be honest i just know about this. Until now what i know is trading in night time of my country because in others mostly still afternoon so people already awake. And then avoid weekend and holiday because lower volume market than usual. But now i not really concern about that because market can move anytime since we know a lot of people already jumped into crypto trading and maybe will be good if we can stand by anytime in market.


Title: Re: Trading base on market sessions
Post by: seleme on June 05, 2021, 09:26:34 PM
Usually, during the Tokio session Chinese investors pump cryptocurrencies, and another factor I observed was new session continues the previous trend in all costs. If the end of the New York session is bearish, the new trading session will pressure to sell on the market bulls.

There's a lot of market sessions that many believe for but there's no proof on that I mean there's a different session and different trend most of the time so there's still no guarantee on this and the market is still unpredictable. We have to see the market based on its trend, is not that easy but its worth to analyze it.  We can see the market same on the other exchanges, there might be small difference but its tolerable.

I didn't understand what you mean but there are trends in each market session despite the general trend. Overall trend can be bearish but some big investors can pump the market to get higher liquidity on some pairs on their market session, it can be observed if you check the historical charts of top cryptocurrencies.


Title: Re: Trading base on market sessions
Post by: Scripture on June 05, 2021, 10:48:08 PM
Usually, during the Tokio session Chinese investors pump cryptocurrencies, and another factor I observed was new session continues the previous trend in all costs. If the end of the New York session is bearish, the new trading session will pressure to sell on the market bulls.
There's a lot of market sessions that many believe for but there's no proof on that I mean there's a different session and different trend most of the time so there's still no guarantee on this and the market is still unpredictable. We have to see the market based on its trend, is not that easy but its worth to analyze it.  We can see the market same on the other exchanges, there might be small difference but its tolerable.