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It used to be a great website but it changed drastically and the owners became greedy. Two years ago when I came I can say that I really used to relax here. Winning, losing, but at least it was a fair website. Since last summer, the game changed to 180 degrees, and each time I said what I am seeing, I was called crazy, complaining too much, that I do know nothing about it, but the customers know when they use something.
I noticed that the altcoins game is connected to the bitcoin game, something that it should have no connection since BTC price is so high. Then since I am always using the same %, I do make changes, but even like this I do not see what it used to be before. They change the formula and is based on algorithms, so even before was like this, but at least you could see some fairness.
If I point out, they send me to probability fair, something that is still not enough for me to check since they have all the data, and even like this, if the formula was created to give those numbers, then you can't do much about it. For almost a year I see that all the time after some certain numbers, I never have a win. Is like some numbers have the plague and the green doesn't stick to them, although after millions of bets, you should have it at a certain point.
Those who defend the website, they do complain when they lose, but when they win, they shout yes is fair. Even if I was winning I noticed some changes, but I kept quiet and I was happy at least with that. I did complain about it in the past, I do admit, but then when is going worse, you do get sick at a certain point. When the row of wins is coming, they are with 10x times faster speed to not catch it, even if are extremely rare nowadays and are NOT like before. At least in the past were often, not anymore.
They created a new website and another thing I have noticed, changes came on this website to make others to go on their new website. Smaller bonuses here (they lowered them even at the cheaper coins), changing the game, bigger bonuses there, and different website. Like this people will get trapped on two websites.
Today I have decided to leave it and to come here and say very loud, IS NOT WORTH IT. Save your money, save your time, and invest but do not gamble. There will always be tricks that even if you see them, you will not be able to provide tangible evidence.
Yes, people do know what they use, they do see when they play a game, use a product, and especially when there are changes.
Stop feeding the rich because no one gets the money with fairness and will always be a trick to make you fail.
SAVE YOUR MONEY, YOUR TIME, AND INVEST BUT DO NOT PLAY IN THESE WEBSITES. I could go with more things that I have noticed but it would be a longer message.
If after you read this still decide to go, is your choice, but do not complain later. I wish to have found a message that would properly explain more to make me understand instead of finding only "scammers, it is scam, do not play....", but I haven't found.
So, is not worth it, is all I will say. Save your time and your money.

PS: Those who come to defend this and "attack" me for telling my experiences, you are sick and you need help to get gambling out from your mind. If you say something against this, they say that you are sick and need a pause but those who defend it, are never sick and they never have addiction. Those who will come and say, "oh, I won so much" but WHEN DID YOU WIN? I won too but was never winning. It was only my own money getting back. I cannot say this is winning. I wrote this message for those who have no idea about gambling and how is this working.


I do not claim that they are scammers, I am just putting my thoughts about gambling and how does it work, about my experiences, what do I saw, and how I feel about it.  And yes, I do believe that is not as it used to be before. I stand by this statement. Once you come across gambling, after you lose your money, is extremely difficult to get out. I want those who have no idea about this to understand this risk. I want to be very clear about that.
I do not say here about getting rich. My point is that is not as it used to be before, if you lose you get stuck, the chance to get back is extremely small, and to expect to change. This post is especially for those who have no idea about what they do and what is gambling. As I said earlier, If I would have found a clear message, I would have think twice about it.
The staff is great, they answer on time, always helpful, but I wanted to share my experience and put it out here. Your choice if you will go there and play, but this, right here, is my experience. I do take responsibility for not knowing anything before getting involved, but that doesn't mean I shouldn't share my experience here and if I do, suddenly it means that they are scammers. I do say what I have noticed from my own experience.

If you always use the same betting method a bad streak will come at some point, doesn't matter if you are playing at a 95% chance to win, you can lose 6 consecutive times... and I'm not talking about primedice, I'm talking about any casino, there is no a 100% legit method to always win.

If you are feeling like they are cheating then you should verify your rolls and get some solid proof. That's the right way to report a casino.

You wont have any problems with gambling if you do just spent out the money that you can afford to lose or simply you arent making it as a source of income then you are
still on the fair situation.

Its just normal for people to get frustrated and rage out and saying up things but if they do tend to realize up things then its up to them on what they are
experiencing such unfortunate or not soo good situation.

I will not try to insult you, but your experience is the same as saying "water is wet". This site is never going to make you rich, every single bet is designed to sweep in a commission for the casino - that is it. Much like online poker rooms, they simply do not need to cheat anyone, because every single game you are handing over 0.5% of your bet to the house. Given enough time the amount of wins and losses will even out, but each time they're taking a cut of your money. You have every right to feel defeated, because by the definition of the game it is slowly depleting your bank roll. For all the little features and functionality, they are simply designed to make it look like you have the slightest bit of control over the long term outcome, but it is a zero skill game. Like you say, it is pure gambling and unless you switch to a skill based game it will always beat you. I wish you the best and it is good that you have now realized the futility of these dice games.

I'm a player of the platform for years, and honestly I haven't made any significant wins aside from a few bits and pieces here and there. But never have I thought of them rigging the algorithm. The house always wins, as was the case with your losses in playing for years within the platform. You are not supposed to make money out of it, that's their goal and that's wht the chances are always stacked against yoy, the player. Your sentiment is understandable, but that doesn't mean that something is wrong.

I personally lost thousands on that site alone for years, but I do not take it negatively since I'm out there to enjoy and kill time. I'm not defending them, nor am I in any position to disregard your sentiments. Then again you are playing a game of chances and luck, with which are stacked against you the moment you decided to click 'I Accept..' on their terms.

Everybody knows on what the reputation of Primedice into this place.This is just some sort of user feedback which is basically been losing in the site and havent able to meet up his expectations

to get rich nor being profitable and later on they do call the site as a scam.This is no different with other approaches with those players who do end up badly and then giving
out negative feedback into the site that it isnt fair which is a bullshit type of reasoning.

Accept that gambling isnt for making yourself rich but rather for pure entertainment.

I prefer to follow your step when I am playing gambling because I can not lose more money than I can afford, especially if I use the money from the source of income. We can use big money to gamble, but we need to ask ourselves about what will happen if we lose all of the money shortly. If we are no problem with that, we can continue playing but we must know that we are responsible for our money and no matter what the result, we should not regret and know that is part of gambling.

I used to play on Primedice years ago and, as crazy and angry as your message sounds, I think I can relate. I've had rather different feelings about this website. Sometimes I enjoyed it, I thought it was quite fun, at some point I also started to see something suspicious, like some patterns similar to the ones you describe (but it was in the old version of the website), and it was very common to get 7-10 losses in a row while playing 50/50 chance, even though, basing on the probability laws, it should have been a pretty rare thing.

But then they started running different promotions and competitions, I was winning and I kind of warmed up to them. Also, the fact that Primedice is provably fair kind of inspired trust. But then I started losing again. In the end, I don't know whether they really are scammers or is it just my paranoid thinking, but I just quit gambling in there. I don't claim them to be scammers, because, honestly, there's no clear evidence except for a large number of losses, that I can provide.

However, I found that while gambling on other websites, for some reason, I was luckier. Maybe that means something, or maybe, once again, it's a lack of critical judgment, because I realize how hard it is to be objective when it comes to gambling and losses. But anyhow, there are a lot of other gambling websites, which have a wide range of games, not only dice, so why stick to the fishy and boring one?

I can understand your sentiments and smaller bonus and the team is focusing on the new platform and you need to understand there might be a reason for that as Stake is a much bigger site with multiple games and sports betting is also included and there is lot of new users than in Primedice and hence you should expect them to give out more. One thing you should understand is that no one compelled you to gamble and you are free to do anything and choose any website of your choice but never expect we are entitled for bonuses all the time.

Well, i have played on primedice and my account still active until now (registered on 2015 though). My account stats still in negative until now, but you know what? I don't blame Primedice, i don't blame stunna, i don't blame anyone. I can accept that because i know there is huge risk to lose money on gambling site. Since i knew it, even i lose my money, it's just like usual. I'm not defending Primedice, but OP, you need to learn how provably fair works first.

It's been several years since i've played primedice but I doubt changing the algorithm altered your chances of winning. I think you're just starting to realize that gambling sites can be addicting and the losses you've experienced already took out the fun on your gambling sessions. Most likely it doesn't have to do anything with primedice as you could've experienced the same losing situation on any other gambling site since you're expected to lose in any casino games to begin with. I myself have negative profit records on other dice sites but still play with amounts I can afford to lose.  

That is casino gambling used to be the house that always wins, addiction over it will cause something even uglier than losing, I'm not here to defend Primedice, Stake, or other crypto-based gambling platform but that is how algorithm goes, you can not feel that they have to change the system because you are losing too much, I think this all end up in all gamblers emotions same goes to myself,

But if you feel like you are just losing so much then stop casino gambling and switch to sportsbets, at least sports bets are not about pure luck and not about the house but the research and analysis you are doing that is why you lose or win, and you can surely see something like that on Stake.com they surely have it all, to Casino gambling and all available sports bets you name it,

So the best way is to just move on and if you still want to play a game because you want the excitement then just give a shot to the smaller amount that you can afford to lose.

Obviously that he is only trolling in this part mate, Look about the post , He keeps telling that he gambles a lot but now trying to give advise about saving money But pointing to Keep away from primedice?
and also after 4 years of being silent he comes out now just to attack Primedice just like what another account did

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5335012.0

That Thread creator is almost same account with this OP

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=992662

Looks like this is the same account , or same group that is now targeting Pricedice like what many Did in the past.

I don't even think this is about primedice itself but rather about gambling instead? Though OPs thoughts are mostly about the way Primedice presented their provably fair thingy and whatnot. Not my expertise, but hey, let others do what they want. Yes, gambling isn't really something encouraged, but if it's your hobby, or it's what you want, I see nothing wrong with it. Get some help if you think its a way to earn money, but other than that, there shouldn't be an issue imo.

I think you're confusing what 50/50 means in this case. It's 50/50 PER GAME. Not for your entire session. The chances would always reset to 50/50 at each start. It's not like the more you lose, the higher your chance of winning the next game. The harsh reality, no it's not how games work (or at least gambling games). 7-10? Heck its completely possible to lose all games that you play in one single session, that's just how 50/50 works.

Is it just dice you are playing?
Try sports, they can't cheat on that.

But you already got out and I am happy for you. If your choice now is to invest then be also careful with your choices on where to put your money.
I stopped playing dice long ago. It's just that, I can't seem to win in that game. Although I have bad luck in sports betting most of the time, I enjoy it.
Pumps me up when my supported team is doing great. Feel bad when they lose. But that's my aim, to put more emotion watching the game and my bets are the bonuses.

Eh? Even if they are all fair and stuffs, still you will lose money because they have the house-edge and its their business and obviously they will do anything to make profit, by giving bonuses to retain players, etc. Since you have realized it, I hope you are able to stay away from these, as you yourself might agree, its a big black hole and leads only to destruction of everything one possess. I pray and hope you will be able to overcome this nasty addiction and put the effort and money in something productive and good!

the impression it gives to me to anyone playing on primedice must be an early adopter.

everyone has his own story but the experience will always make us learn some lesson. your only point is to make us stop and save our money instead. right on!
some people are actually earning with primedice, i was once playing there myself betting altcoins and i didn't notice any cheat. there's always an alternative casino to play.

Common man , tell me Why for long time of Inactivity all of a sudden you use that account just to tell us this case?

and where are the screenshots?

you have the Guts to say this, why not say this to yourself instead?

No, I realize that the probability is 50/50 each time and this probability is eventually even true for the whole session if it's long enough.
However, there's such thing, as a joint probability. While naturally, it applies to the probability of 2 events occurring at the same time together, in dice (or other similar games of odds) it can also be used to calculate the approximate probability of events occurring in a row.
What's the difference between rolling 2 dices at the same time, rolling 2 dices but one after the other, and rolling one dice 2 times in a row? Technically, it's the same thing, right?

Thus, the joint probability of 7 losses in a row with 50% chance should be 0,5x0,5x0,5x0,5x0,5x0,5x0,5=0,008%
Now, I'm not saying that the occurrence of such an event should be THAT rare, it's merely a rough number, that gives a certain perspective.
Surely, even when playing for a short period of time this can happen. But when this happens too often, that begs questions.

i read all what you wrote but before it ( earlier ) i went in primedice to play but i lose my money and no i dont complain because i believe that pd is a fair casino .

this is true and your not the only one that notice it but all the players in pd said this in the chat . they did that to gain players in the new casino which is stake but your not trap , you can transfer in the new casino if you think they have nicer promotions than in pd  .

See the good thing is :

This is only one of the casino, you can very easily try and use some other casino. What I do not understand is why you continued playing there if it was not up to the mark for you.

1. Change your casino
2. Invest better

There are many casinos that you can indeed try.
Duelbits
Roobet
Bustadice
Etc..

Look for the casinos actively engaging with players and at the same time in the signature Campaigns. You will be able to get through your complaints and get an answer.

Well ofc no one should waste all their money here but most of the players gamble responsibly so there is no probelms regarding that.

I never think too much about winning on every gambling site I played because I am playing gambling because of fun and want to spend my free time.
I do not care if they close my account because of my inactivity in every gambling site because I do not play gambling very often like other people.
I do not blame them if they change their algorithm or the sources on every gambling game because they need to update their system with the newest one.
It is our responsibility to search for the gambling site that we want and if we already found one or two sites and we played the game very often, we need to take care of our money and do not spend more than the money we can afford.

Well if you have found out that you do not like gambling on this casino or gambling in general then it is fine to stop gambling, after all many of us have always sustained that gambling should be done just to get some fun and if for you it is too difficult to accept your losses then it is time to move on, however there are many people that have shared their experiences before and you could have found them if you took the time to really read the forum and this could have saved you time and money.

The game is indeed rigged against you - in the sense that there is a house edge.

If you keep on losing, it is exactly what is expected. The long term EV of you as a player is definitely negative and PD/Stunna does not hide that in the slightest. 1% house edge or less on a dice game is pretty damn good to begin with.

All the rolls are provably fair, and if you are paranoid you can always verify each roll using an independent verifier. If you no longer find gambling entertaining then simply don't do it - but don't go around accusing established businesses falsely without evidence.

With all the comments coming in urging OP to show proof like conversations and deposits and the amount losses, OP is not posting anything or not yet, I hope he is preparing the materials or this will just be considered spam meant to tarnish Stake and Primedice reputation if he is that serious he should have posted this in the scam section, it will make the accusation valid.

they always make a change but it was to improve the dice site and not to increase the difficulty to win .
 how long have you taken a break from prime ? because when the time i take a break and go back in the game i feel the same but i know thats its only in my head .
no need to make a scandal  . try to stay active and you will get used to it again .

price of the coin or using different coin dont relates with the game .
 is that what you believe before that when you use different coins your win chance will change too ? thats silly bro .

OP, welcome to the world of gambling where losing much is expected instead of winning.

Reading your story, you think everything should go according to your own way which is not.

Don't question the provably fair, it was fair. Popular gambling sites are not doing some tricks here to cheat their players. One mistake will ruin their reputation so it's impossible for them to do that thing.

Sometimes everyone has a sweet and bitter experience in gambling battles against certain sites, all the bad things that gambling addicts have experienced, including losing and winning.

Where every gambling addict has a lucky day and there is a day where he has to have bad luck, if I want to make a bet the first thing I do is placing a small bet first two times losing I withdraw it means that my luck is betting today bad, and vice versa if I win I continue and end when I feel satisfied with the bet result.

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From your story that I read, I conclude that it doesn't seem like the Primedice site / management is greedy, your at that time it was unlucky to place a bet on the Primedice site.

The point: no gambling site forces us to make bets, all decisions are in our hands to place small and large bets, lose and win, whatever we do is only ourselves who determine.

I often see gambling addicts on this forum, when winning the site is praised and when losing streaks the gambling site is despised, greedy, unfair, loser, corruption and so on, I'm not saying this for the OP, that's the experience I saw, most gambling addicts have different characters and attitudes.

Changed of view because in the long-run, OP loses too much.

If only you aren't expecting too much profits or winnings in a luck-based gambling game, you won't end up with an opinion like that.

Sorry for your loss. Maybe it's time now to shift career and forget gambling for good.

I think most of the people here will just say you are butthurt over your losses at PrimeDice and that is their opinion. I think this forum is mature enough to allow constructive criticism and people sharing their personal experiences.

My experience with both sites (The new site = Stake.com) are positive and they are becoming leaders in the Crypto gambling community, so it will be difficult for people to agree with you.

The nature of gambling is that most people have to lose money, for a small percentage of people to win money.  ::)

Many times people want to express their frustrations and that is fine but when accusations are made then the one that makes the accusations has the responsibility to show evidence there was some wrongdoing against them, otherwise they just seem to be making up a story to fit their narrative and avoid accepting the consequences for their actions, but in any case it is better for the OP to never gamble again as it is shown he cannot handle it very well at all.

I haven't gambled on primedice or stake for nearly 6 months now, and I am afraid it will go towards forever as well because of something totally different. To me they became a bad place because they only care about the whales and they do not give a F--- about people like me, they do nothing to promote their websites to people like me, there is no loyalty if you are a small gambler and by the looks of it they are not planning on changing anytime soon neither.

Back in the day they were sooo interested with the small time gambler than they attracted people who gambled even less than me, they attracted people who did not even deposited money and gave away money on faucets for free gambling, I agree that was a bit much but the same place who gave free money to people so they can gamble became a place that only cares if you can reach VIP level. That is why I stopped gambling here.

Why they must care about small bettor like you and most of us? The reward or bonus given to VIP or high ranked account obviously because they are the one who give much profit for primedice because they have wagered so much and also it will attract more people to come. Most of small bettor also only trying to cheat their promotion or contest by running dozen multiple accounts, which VIP won't ever do that thing

Thats what I also think, he might not know the risk if you gamble your money.
Well if you dont like primedice dont stick to it, there are many existing casinos that might suits you.

It depends if the gambling site is scam and just wanted to take advantage their players. I dont think primedice is like that, it is one of a good casino that I play with as a new online gambler few years back.

There are other gamblers who wonder why they can win in one site and cannot in another and they easily suspect there must be something wrong. To be honest, I also have similar experiences but I am not blaming the casinos or sites. It is purely coincidence. If both sites are well trusted and are provably fair, there is really no basis to be afraid that one is cheating you. And you are right, we are not forced to stick to one site only.


Primedice is an institution in crypto gambling. I doubt they will cheat their gamblers especially for a small amount.

With the usual complain, yeah, most of those are complaining when they lose.

But if it's for me, I wouldn't complain when I lose because in the first place I knew that this is a gambling place. You lose and you win. You're aware of those two possibilities and that's how gambling life is and this isn't just with them but for every casino and must be remembered by every gambler.

In some sense, I do agree that primedice and stake are being remodelled for high-rollers with the changes they are making. I will make a few points to explain what I mean.

1- Platinum 2 for VIP host: I don't care whether I get a host or not but raising the bar for the personal host just shows they are now inclined towards the high rollers.

2- Races with best rewards on top: I know it is important to reward players at the top but the prize distribution is massively in favor of top-5 or so spots.

There are other things like muting some players for minor mistakes as I was reading recently in the stake thread. I mean players will have bad days and will make angry comments and you cannot expect them to be robots. Earlier I see players were given more freedom but now they even removed personal messages so basically the personal interaction and connection between players is lost.

I'm neither complaining nor supporting what op has said, I am just sharing what I feel has changed for a while now. All that said stake is still one of the best out there but there are areas they can improve.

While this is the correct stance we must acknowledge that not everyone has that healthy attitude, there are many gamblers out there that want to win no matter what and as soon as they lose some money they claim that they were scammed when it is clear that is not the case, people should just accept the nature of the games, the results are random and the casino has given itself an edge over you, if you cannot accept those conditions then it is better to stay away from gambling.

For now I think I would only ask you upload a proof of your claims so we all would acertain that your accusations are true. But did you take your time to review the terms and conditions before signing up and  while the made changes to their terms and conditions did you also review it before accepting to continue with your account. Terms and conditions are actually the legal back up of all operating websites and for you to get full satisfaction you have to review them so that if it doesn't match up with your expectations you move ahead to a different site that would likely provide you with the necessary criteria you are looking for.