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Title: Covid-19 Vaccinated people will die in 2 years
Post by: virasog on May 27, 2021, 01:44:45 PM
All those people who took covid-19 virus (any variant) will die in two years. This is claimed by Nobel Prize Winner Laureate. Some people saying that this is fake but i am confused now. Is the vaccine really made to control the population ? 

Bombshell: Nobel Prize Winner Reveals - Covid Vaccine is 'Creating Variants' (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZGuTNhNxOE)


Title: Re: Covid-19 Vaccinated people will die in 2 years
Post by: semobo on May 27, 2021, 02:06:16 PM
Thanks for the link, one of my friend told me about this yesterday but just saw in the form of meme.

He has points too, the new variants are created from the old virus because the person already got immunity for the particular variant so virus itself getting mutated to another form to get into the body...

Don't know where we are going,, in the next few years we may see huge change in the human mankind for sure.


Title: Re: Covid-19 Vaccinated people will die in 2 years
Post by: BADecker on May 27, 2021, 04:03:00 PM
If you Net search using various search words, you will find that there are some sites that are calling this fake news, and that the doctor never said this. So, let me explain.

Nobody has a video out there where the doctor said, "NO, I never said that 'death in two years' stuff." If you can find one where the doctor recants or denies, please show it to us.

However, if the doctor never said it, the explanations he gives about how the vaccines work, and the corroboration expressed by his associate doctors, shows that the two-year thing is an absolute potentiality. It might be 3 years, or 4 or 5. The point is, it's gonna happen.

Again, remember that we are dealing with people of various strengths. Some of them will last longer than others. Vaccinated people aren't going to fall over dead all on the same day. However, some of them haven't lasted even a full day. In other words, it's already happening.

To see that it's already happening, read thoroughly this short page - https://www.openvaers.com/ - and think. The CDC says through VAERS that 4,000+ to 400,000+ have already died from the vaccines. Then click the page links.

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Title: Re: Covid-19 Vaccinated people will die in 2 years
Post by: FIFA worldcup on May 27, 2021, 04:20:38 PM
If you Net search using various search words, you will find that there are some sites that are calling this fake news, and that the doctor never said this. So, let me explain.


There are many sites on the net which are claiming this interview is wrongly interpreted. Although he did not said this directly, but indirectly he meant the same thing.

Few links denying this news:-

Message claiming ‘vaccinated people will die in two years’ by Nobel Laureate is FAKE (https://www.thenewsminute.com/article/message-claiming-vaccinated-people-will-die-two-years-nobel-laureate-fake-149525)

ALERT: Luc Montagnier Did NOT Say Vaccine Would Kill People in Two Years - Here's What he DID Say (Video) (https://rairfoundation.com/alert-luc-montagnier-did-not-say-vaccine-would-kill-people-in-two-years-heres-what-he-did-say-video/)


Title: Re: Covid-19 Vaccinated people will die in 2 years
Post by: BADecker on May 27, 2021, 04:33:51 PM
If you Net search using various search words, you will find that there are some sites that are calling this fake news, and that the doctor never said this. So, let me explain.


There are many sites on the net which are claiming this interview is wrongly interpreted. Although he did not said this directly, but indirectly he meant the same thing.

Few links denying this news:-

Message claiming ‘vaccinated people will die in two years’ by Nobel Laureate is FAKE (https://www.thenewsminute.com/article/message-claiming-vaccinated-people-will-die-two-years-nobel-laureate-fake-149525)

ALERT: Luc Montagnier Did NOT Say Vaccine Would Kill People in Two Years - Here's What he DID Say (Video) (https://rairfoundation.com/alert-luc-montagnier-did-not-say-vaccine-would-kill-people-in-two-years-heres-what-he-did-say-video/)

Anybody who wants to get into depth studies about what Luc Montagnier said, should look here - https://www.lifesitenews.com/archives/search. In the search box, place the name Luc Montagnier.

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Title: Re: Covid-19 Vaccinated people will die in 2 years
Post by: Natsuu on May 28, 2021, 06:01:27 AM

That video is cutted, I don't know why but it is clearly cutted, but disregarding that

Before the vaccines has been created, there are different variants popping out already, Then the claim that it is the vaccine making the variants is really questionable

regarding the title above. The video doesn't state anything about dying in 2 years  ???


Title: Re: Covid-19 Vaccinated people will die in 2 years
Post by: JohnBitCo on May 29, 2021, 04:15:58 AM
I have an in depth study on this matter and came to conclusion, that the French scientist holding a Nobel price was used to speak such false statement about the vaccine in order to fail the vaccines.
As you know that UK, USA, Germany and Russia developed their own vaccine. However france tried to make their variant of vaccine but they failed. So in order to discourage the use of vaccine produced by other countries, the French used this man Laureate who is the Nobel price winner to say something bad about the vaccines.


Title: Re: Covid-19 Vaccinated people will die in 2 years
Post by: BADecker on May 29, 2021, 04:34:01 AM

That video is cutted, I don't know why but it is clearly cutted, but disregarding that

Before the vaccines has been created, there are different variants popping out already, Then the claim that it is the vaccine making the variants is really questionable

regarding the title above. The video doesn't state anything about dying in 2 years  ???

There are many links inside the one link in post # 5 in this thread. While there doesn't seem to be any point blank "2 years" mentioned, there is all kinds of talk by professionals that the deaths will begin shortly. Probably, most of the really accute ones will be done by 5 years from now.

But here is what is really interesting. We don't have to wait 5 years, or even 2 years. The deaths are happening now, and they are continuing. The CDC says so in their VAERS reports. And Open VAERS - http://oepnvaers.com/ - explains it for us.

Read the home page in detail. It's short. Harvard School of Medicine proves that VAERS and other such agencies, get less than 1% of the vaccine adverse events that happen. Since VAERS says over 4,000 deaths from the vaccines so far, If that is 1% as Harvard says, We have had over 400,000 vaccine deaths in the USA already. And this out of about 1,175,000 deaths so far for the year, total.

So, we see that the French virologists are right on... but maybe a little behind.

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Title: Re: Covid-19 Vaccinated people will die in 2 years
Post by: JohnBitCo on May 29, 2021, 04:44:49 AM

But here is what is really interesting. We don't have to wait 5 years, or even 2 years. The deaths are happening now, and they are continuing. The CDC says so in their VAERS reports. And Open VAERS - http://oepnvaers.com/ - explains it for us.

Read the home page in detail. It's short. Harvard School of Medicine proves that VAERS and other such agencies, get less than 1% of the vaccine adverse events that happen. Since VAERS says over 4,000 deaths from the vaccines so far, If that is 1% as Harvard says, We have had over 400,000 vaccine deaths in the USA already. And this out of about 1,175,000 deaths so far for the year, total.

So, we see that the French virologists are right on... but maybe a little behind.

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So what will you suggest ? Should we not get vaccinated considering all these side effects ?

I will prefer a quick one word answer, should we get vaccinated or not ?


Title: Re: Covid-19 Vaccinated people will die in 2 years
Post by: BADecker on May 29, 2021, 04:58:20 AM

But here is what is really interesting. We don't have to wait 5 years, or even 2 years. The deaths are happening now, and they are continuing. The CDC says so in their VAERS reports. And Open VAERS - http://oepnvaers.com/ - explains it for us.

Read the home page in detail. It's short. Harvard School of Medicine proves that VAERS and other such agencies, get less than 1% of the vaccine adverse events that happen. Since VAERS says over 4,000 deaths from the vaccines so far, If that is 1% as Harvard says, We have had over 400,000 vaccine deaths in the USA already. And this out of about 1,175,000 deaths so far for the year, total.

So, we see that the French virologists are right on... but maybe a little behind.

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So what will you suggest ? Should we not get vaccinated considering all these side effects ?

I will prefer a quick one word answer, should we get vaccinated or not ?

Freedom!          8)

If someone wants to commit suicide, stop him... for a while. But after a while, when it has been determined that his mentality isn't going to change, let him have at it.

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Title: Re: Covid-19 Vaccinated people will die in 2 years
Post by: Poker Player on May 29, 2021, 05:04:54 AM
First: I don't know where the OP gets the idea that they are going to die in two years, because in the video he doesn't say anything about that. He basically says that vaccines create the new variants.

What surprises me is that this video is still available on Youtube, with all the censorship going on. I wouldn't be surprised if they take it down soon.

I miss debates in the mainstream media between defenders of the official version and experts like this one. Time will tell whether he is a big-mouthed expert or what.


Title: Re: Covid-19 Vaccinated people will die in 2 years
Post by: JohnBitCo on May 29, 2021, 05:51:34 AM

But here is what is really interesting. We don't have to wait 5 years, or even 2 years. The deaths are happening now, and they are continuing. The CDC says so in their VAERS reports. And Open VAERS - http://oepnvaers.com/ - explains it for us.

Read the home page in detail. It's short. Harvard School of Medicine proves that VAERS and other such agencies, get less than 1% of the vaccine adverse events that happen. Since VAERS says over 4,000 deaths from the vaccines so far, If that is 1% as Harvard says, We have had over 400,000 vaccine deaths in the USA already. And this out of about 1,175,000 deaths so far for the year, total.

So, we see that the French virologists are right on... but maybe a little behind.

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So what will you suggest ? Should we not get vaccinated considering all these side effects ?

I will prefer a quick one word answer, should we get vaccinated or not ?

Freedom!          8)

If someone wants to commit suicide, stop him... for a while. But after a while, when it has been determined that his mentality isn't going to change, let him have at it.

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Exactly, but did you also actually commit this suicide ?
If you think that vaccine is too dangerous for humanity (it may be) but then why you yourself getting vaccinated  :o

I  got vaccinated today


Title: Re: Covid-19 Vaccinated people will die in 2 years
Post by: Poker Player on May 29, 2021, 10:43:35 AM
Exactly, but did you also actually commit this suicide ?
If you think that vaccine is too dangerous for humanity (it may be) but then why you yourself getting vaccinated  :o

I  got vaccinated today

Catching irony is not your thing, is it? He was replying to a thread titled exactly like that :

I got vaccinated today (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5307207.0)

If you take the rest of what he said out of the quote, it is even less understandable:

I  got vaccinated today

Please, right now while you think of it, put me in your will.

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Title: Re: Covid-19 Vaccinated people will die in 2 years
Post by: xenon131 on May 29, 2021, 01:10:05 PM
All those people who took covid-19 virus (any variant) will die in two years. This is claimed by Nobel Prize Winner Laureate.


Seems to be bullshit.  User who knows French commented below video  (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZGuTNhNxOE) "He did not say all those vaccinated will die.  What he said is if the vaccinated gets infected, those vaccine-created antibodies will stick to virus and may create a new variant, which vaccine cant resist and dangerous." The keyword there is may. This is just  fifty-fifty guess of that Professor, he doesn't know for sure what will happen.

Apart of that, those who caught virus before and survived it have also developed such antibodies. So jugging his logic they will  die as well, bullshit.


Title: Re: Covid-19 Vaccinated people will die in 2 years
Post by: Renampun on May 29, 2021, 01:32:10 PM
All those people who took covid-19 virus (any variant) will die in two years. This is claimed by Nobel Prize Winner Laureate. Some people saying that this is fake but i am confused now. Is the vaccine really made to control the population ? 

Bombshell: Nobel Prize Winner Reveals - Covid Vaccine is 'Creating Variants' (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZGuTNhNxOE)
we have to mentally prepare for this, new variants will keep appearing...

The explanation in the video is very clear that it says a new variant was created because the virus adapts very quickly to the existing vaccine, a month ago I had the vaccine and hopefully nothing bad will happen to me and my family.


Title: Re: Covid-19 Vaccinated people will die in 2 years
Post by: BADecker on May 29, 2021, 03:26:32 PM
Exactly, but did you also actually commit this suicide ?
If you think that vaccine is too dangerous for humanity (it may be) but then why you yourself getting vaccinated  :o

I  got vaccinated today

Catching irony is not your thing, is it? He was replying to a thread titled exactly like that :

I got vaccinated today (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5307207.0)

If you take the rest of what he said out of the quote, it is even less understandable:

I  got vaccinated today

Please, right now while you think of it, put me in your will.

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Sometimes we aren't clear enough with what we post. Here's what I mean.

If all the people who got Covid vaxxed would put me in their will for only $10 each on average, I'd be filthy rich in 5 years, and maybe only two years.

I already missed out on $4,000,000. How? There's already been 400,000 deaths from the vaxx. Read through Open VAERS (https://www.openvaers.com/) slowly and think about what you are reading... even only the home page. 400,000 already dead from the vaxx, at $10 a head = $4 million.

It doesn't matter what the CDC reports in the future. Even if they block the Open VAERS info, we already see what has happened in the past. We know what's happening even if they never report in the future.

So, just get me into the wills of the vaxxed people, and the vaccines will make the deaths work for me. Big money with only a little from each of the vaxxed people.

I wish I had thought of this right from the beginning. Already missed out on that $4,000,000.

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Title: Re: Covid-19 Vaccinated people will die in 2 years
Post by: Natsuu on May 29, 2021, 05:22:03 PM

That video is cutted, I don't know why but it is clearly cutted, but disregarding that

Before the vaccines has been created, there are different variants popping out already, Then the claim that it is the vaccine making the variants is really questionable

regarding the title above. The video doesn't state anything about dying in 2 years  ???

There are many links inside the one link in post # 5 in this thread. While there doesn't seem to be any point blank "2 years" mentioned, there is all kinds of talk by professionals that the deaths will begin shortly. Probably, most of the really accute ones will be done by 5 years from now.


So there is no such things as dying in 2 years. Then what is the point of that title  ???

Plus, what I mentioned is about the "VIDEO" linked in the OP's post which is supposed to be related to the title mentioned.

And see #4 as he mentioned a link debunking the statements. Plus there are also tons of professionals, probably more than those professionals you mentioned in your link, that has statements contradicting those you linked.


Title: Re: Covid-19 Vaccinated people will die in 2 years
Post by: Poker Player on May 29, 2021, 05:49:01 PM
Sometimes we aren't clear enough with what we post. Here's what I mean.

If all the people who got Covid vaxxed would put me in their will for only $10 each on average, I'd be filthy rich in 5 years, and maybe only two years.

I already missed out on $4,000,000. How? There's already been 400,000 deaths from the vaxx. Read through Open VAERS (https://www.openvaers.com/) slowly and think about what you are reading... even only the home page. 400,000 already dead from the vaxx, at $10 a head = $4 million.


Ahem, ahem:

https://i.postimg.cc/prZpbGDB/vaers.jpg (https://postimg.cc/wR16Dk4t)


https://i.postimg.cc/7hbpwbzQ/vaers2.jpg (https://postimg.cc/dZPW9s48)

The fact that they say:"It is a voluntary reporting system that has been estimated to account for only 1% (see the Lazarus Report) of vaccine injuries."
doesn't mean that you have to multiply the deaths by 100. You are cheating and reaching the conclusions you previously wanted to reach.


Title: Re: Covid-19 Vaccinated people will die in 2 years
Post by: BADecker on May 29, 2021, 07:15:39 PM
Sometimes we aren't clear enough with what we post. Here's what I mean.

If all the people who got Covid vaxxed would put me in their will for only $10 each on average, I'd be filthy rich in 5 years, and maybe only two years.

I already missed out on $4,000,000. How? There's already been 400,000 deaths from the vaxx. Read through Open VAERS (https://www.openvaers.com/) slowly and think about what you are reading... even only the home page. 400,000 already dead from the vaxx, at $10 a head = $4 million.


Ahem, ahem:

https://i.postimg.cc/prZpbGDB/vaers.jpg (https://postimg.cc/wR16Dk4t)


https://i.postimg.cc/7hbpwbzQ/vaers2.jpg (https://postimg.cc/dZPW9s48)

The fact that they say:"It is a voluntary reporting system that has been estimated to account for only 1% (see the Lazarus Report) of vaccine injuries."
doesn't mean that you have to multiply the deaths by 100. You are cheating and reaching the conclusions you previously wanted to reach.

In the first place, the 13,199 deaths you have circled in red, are all the deaths from vaccines reported to VAERS since it started. Remember, that's only 1% of the total deaths from vaccines, according to the Harvard School of Medicine study. That study is detailed enough, and goes for 10 or 12 years, so that it proves that it is accurate. Really, there have been 1,319,900 deaths from all vaccines since VAERS started something like 30 years ago.

None of this means that you are required to do anything. What you do is up to you. For example, two scenarios regarding Sam and his 3 buddies. Sam and his three buddiess have been going to the bar for years.

Scenario 1: Sam tested positive for the Covid virus; his three buddies tested negative; all of them were asymptomatic. Sam drove them to the bar, and they all had a little too much to drink. But, they were all used to it. On the way home, Sam drove off the road and hit a tree. They all died. The CDC made sure it was called 4 Covid deaths, because Sam had tested positive, and he was the driver.

Scenario 2: Sam tested positive for the Covid virus a week ago; his three buddies tested negative, same time; all of them were asymptomatic; Sam took the vaxx 3 days ago, the others didn't. Sam drove them to the bar, and they all had a little too much to drink. But, they were all used to it. On the way home, Sam drove off the road and hit a tree. They all died. The CDC made sure it was called 4 drunk driving deaths, because lately they had stopped calling deaths like that Covid deaths. Why didn't they call it 4 vaxx deaths?

The whole reporting system from the CDC is full of beans, lies, and mix-ups. Many doctors don't even know that VAERS exists. Besides, doctors can't believe that they are working for a "company" that kills people with vaccines, so they are biased against looking at the real facts.

Personally, I'll stick with the CDC number in VAERS combined with the Harvard School of Medicine study. I mean, this is real science. Note that the CDC has waked up about these two chunks of real science, and the damage it is doing to their reputation, and maybe their money-making potential. You can expect them to change their stuff a bit to make things look all better for them.

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Title: Re: Covid-19 Vaccinated people will die in 2 years
Post by: Cnut237 on May 29, 2021, 08:46:52 PM
I will prefer a quick one word answer, should we get vaccinated or not ?

Yes.

Please don't believe unsubstantiated and misleading conspiracist nonsense. Instead, look at the data and form your own conclusions. There is a wealth of information on Covid out there, from numerous independent sources around the world: https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus

If someone genuinely believes that vaccinated people will die within two years, then they don't understand how vaccines work. A basic grasp of science is important; it helps people to form logical, evidence-based conclusions.


Title: Re: Covid-19 Vaccinated people will die in 2 years
Post by: supine on May 29, 2021, 09:24:56 PM
People would die regarding if they got vaccinated or not if it's your time, It's your time you couldn't do anything about it.
I think it was created for FUD on the vaccine but I don't see any reason for doing it?


Title: Re: Covid-19 Vaccinated people will die in 2 years
Post by: Gyfts on May 29, 2021, 11:17:32 PM
This guy is talking about antibody dependent enchancement, and I found a research paper examining this phenomenon with respect to vaccine therapeutics, published September of 2020 - https://www.nature.com/articles/s41564-020-00789-5

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Antibody-based drugs and vaccines against severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) are being expedited through preclinical and clinical development. Data from the study of SARS-CoV and other respiratory viruses suggest that anti-SARS-CoV-2 antibodies could exacerbate COVID-19 through antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE). Previous respiratory syncytial virus and dengue virus vaccine studies revealed human clinical safety risks related to ADE, resulting in failed vaccine trials. Here, we describe key ADE mechanisms and discuss mitigation strategies for SARS-CoV-2 vaccines and therapies in development. We also outline recently published data to evaluate the risks and opportunities for antibody-based protection against SARS-CoV-2.

They also go on to say this:

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Evidence for vaccine-induced ADE in animal models of SARS-CoV is conflicting, and raises potential safety concerns. Liu et al. found that while macaques immunized with a modified vaccinia Ankara viral vector expressing the SARS-CoV S protein had reduced viral replication after challenge, anti-S IgG also enhanced pulmonary infiltration of inflammatory macrophages and resulted in more severe lung injury compared to unvaccinated animals66. They further showed that the presence of anti-S IgG prior to viral clearance skewed the wound-healing response of macrophages into a pro-inflammatory response. In another study, Wang et al. immunized macaques with four B-cell peptide epitopes of the SARS-CoV S protein and demonstrated that while three peptides elicited antibodies that protected macaques from viral challenge, one of the peptide vaccines induced antibodies that enhanced infection in vitro and resulted in more severe lung pathology in vivo67.

The fact is, we don't know exactly how this mechanism would work in relation to the Covid vaccine, and we also don't know the exact mutation rate of Covid. Covid could mutate into a form that kills the virus itself (known as a lethal mutation). Of course we don't hear about these mutations because they obviously can't spread. The vaccines are good against the Indian variants, we have no way to predict whether a future variant will appear and be ineffective against the vaccines. And we're also not sure if Covid antibodies from vaccines engage in the ADE mechanism. This guy in the video seems to speculate a lot.



Title: Re: Covid-19 Vaccinated people will die in 2 years
Post by: Ultegra134 on May 30, 2021, 02:31:35 AM
I will prefer a quick one word answer, should we get vaccinated or not ?

Yes.

Please don't believe unsubstantiated and misleading conspiracist nonsense. Instead, look at the data and form your own conclusions. There is a wealth of information on Covid out there, from numerous independent sources around the world: https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus

If someone genuinely believes that vaccinated people will die within two years, then they don't understand how vaccines work. A basic grasp of science is important; it helps people to form logical, evidence-based conclusions.
Also yes from me too.
If it wasn't from vaccines, the average life expectancy would be 40 years old. Vaccination has eradicated many infectious diseases, such as polio, measles or smallpox. It's our only way out of this pandemic and there are actual examples that the Covid-19 vaccines are working properly. A quick look at UK's or Israel's cases and deaths, which have dropped dramatically, from Worldometers won't disappoint you.


Title: Re: Covid-19 Vaccinated people will die in 2 years
Post by: wack slacker on May 30, 2021, 08:26:03 AM
New variants are a threat to the community when the speed of spread and virulence are stronger than previous versions. And if the kind of people doesn't control the epidemic, vaccinations may be pointless.
Vaccination is a way to create a shield to protect people against Viruses. To conclude about the use of the Virus, we need more time to observe how effective it is.


Title: Re: Covid-19 Vaccinated people will die in 2 years
Post by: virasog on May 30, 2021, 09:19:06 AM
So there is no such things as dying in 2 years. Then what is the point of that title  ???

Yes, there is no such thing as dying in 2 years.
The reason i posted this topic to know the reality because it was widely spreading in the social media most probably to create the fud.
I am locking this topic as there are many other threads to continue the discussion for covid 19.

Remember You can die even before getting vaccinated, after getting vaccinated or you can live 100 more years with or without vaccine.   :)