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What is the success? 
If I would be the Banker and You as Satoshi Come to me ask to invest.? 
I have to ask what is the utility?


And When btc Will Move from pow to pos?
Or better If no pow or pos.

I just dont see success and likely government are Same rational and logically thinkers They Will ban btc.
Btc Mining takes just way too much electricity
Fees are expensive yet Still slow no segwit no lighting Network

It just dont smell like success.

So you are basically an invalidating POS that doesn't even consider the climb of bitcoin from 1$ to 30k$ a success? That's a pretty high standard for a nobody like you don't you think?

Is anymone asking you to invest in bitcoin?  If you can not see the profit in holding bitcoin, nobody will tell you to invest in it. But know that another bull run is coming when bitcoin will reach another all-time-high.

It's very relative. Spend time with people who understand bitcoin not as an investment but as a new form of currency system, you will have better understanding.

Obviously, no one is going to tell you what to do with the information you will manage to collect. It's over 10 years bitcoin has survived. Internet has the same ups and downs at the beginning. Right now you can not have a good day without internet.

The fact that you felt the need to start your topic with "As a rational real Person" says a lot about you and your topic ;)

Given how this user has been putting up this kind of topic in the forum for a long time now, I think it isn't surprising that s/he is doing this. This like a pest that you can't get rid of but at the least you are entertained by it.

So you have started another one of your thread criticizing btc and making rational statement about it without any prior knowledge? It's seem like you are some kind of federal or banker who is jealous of Bitcoin rising adoption and investment.So what is the utility of fiat which is robbing you since the start in form of inflation? You can make payments with it right and same you can do with Bitcoin if government allows you to do so.Stop being pessimistic and creating such threads daily and do some other job to entertain yourself because btc isn't going to stop for any of your "rational" talks.

Another example of a FUD post. You don't see BTC success yet your username is cryptoboss... give me a break.

PoW is good for bitcoin, end of discussion and debate about that topic. /s

They can btc as much as they want and if you don't see success for bitcoin, laugh right now. This ain't the end and there are more years to come for bitcoin and that has been said before.

But we'll stay and we'll be successful with bitcoin.

@cryptoboss2020, I have already written to you many times that if you have concluded that Bitcoin is not what you like and what you need in life to simply switch to some other things - why constantly open such threads and repeat what you have already repeated dozens of times?

If you want to live in the belief that Bitcoin mining really consumes enormous amounts of energy (compared to who or what?), or that the fees for sending transactions are too expensive - then you are just showing that you did not understand even 1% of the basic information that can be found on this forum. SegWit has been around for years, and LN is also available for those who want to use it - your opinion of some kind of failure is obviously only viewed through the prism of price, but I have one piece of information for you - Bitcoin has already succeeded, and much more than some thought.

So then, I just don't see any point in your spending any more time on this forum.
You don't see bitcoin's success? Fine. Then why are you so fascinated by it?

I Trust bankers and banks np.
If they mess with my money I just point the finger to bank CEO.
Responsebility relies Where People are acually accountble for their actions.
Can't point the finger on satoshi.
But from crypto and btc Transactions bankers are Winner also.
Bankers always Win no point to fight against them If they do Good things for me I Can Get credit and loan.
And I Can't repeat enough they are responseble for my funds.

But bankers knows business You Can make money together with them they have finances
Those who are against them are just those who dont Know how to take benefits of banks.

Never.

They also tried to illegalize drug use and piracy. Guess how effective it was?

So are gaming consoles and other entertainment devices, but yet no one complains because they're useful for some. Same with Bitcoin, not because it's useless to you, it doesn't mean it's useless to other people.


No SegWit? Lol.

As for Lightning, sure adoption is slow. But yet, Bitcoin's still gaining traction even without that much LN adoption. 🤷‍♂️

Too Long!  Its like Dream we live in reality.
For me btc is just joke

Wrong. The other coins are a joke. Here you are missing the best part. The alts are also known as sh!tcoins for a reason, if you want to win big stick to the king coin. It's easy.

The probable reason is because you didn't have any bitcoin so you never sold anything at any given price. I think that is the only reason for you to say that bitcoin isn't a success.

Btc has no utility

Alright. That's your opinion; we can agree to disagree. Why do you still waste a lot of your time posting in this forums though?\

The utility of bitcoin is a combination of:

• The monetary characteristics of gold
• Payments

You really don't need it to be doing anything else, what's important is that it's secure and decentralized.

Why are you still on Bitcointalk? There's nothing new to you, you've already formed your opinion about Bitcoin and you seem to continuously disagree with us while you're prejudiced. You keep creating idiotic threads with non-sense content and you try to... what? Convince someone? Any sentence that starts with "As a rational real Person" won't be taken seriously by anyone, FYI.

Don't you find it dumb to reply with “Btc has no utility” when someone responds you with counter-arguments? Would you like us to agree with you and make this kind of replies?

• “ur right. btc hasnt any utility”
• “eth for the elite”
• “btc has no value”
• “ada to the moon”

I'm truly curious what's your purpose on this forum.

To Say What's correct.
But If Something is Not Right if I dont Get benefits I dont like it...  It could be me who will lose if I would Not be so knowledgble Person.
Im jealous That's Why im jealous of btc creators making money im jealous to them the satoshi.

Why are you jealous? I don't recall satoshi use his money (well, even if he did use it, we don't really know the exact amount of his withdrawal). It's not like he's being lazy and suddenly got successful anyway, he builds it from scratch.

Stop your jealousy, work on something productive instead. Creating controversial threads won't make you rich.

what is the definition of success, it is eaither reaching a certian goal or doing your best to do so, it can also be defiend as believing in somthing and defending it, and to many poeple bitcoin represents some of those ideas and in many cases it has acheived thier definition of success or yet they still beleive it will, and that is beauty of bitcoin it has many aspects and many points that unites a lot of people under one thing, whether its long term investment or short terms you get profit, or maybe you want to support the idea of non centerlized currency controlled by the govermment, bitcoin has all of those, and if you fail to see it than maybe in time you will.

Bitcoin is already successful actually. Amidst all of the cons you've mentioned like electricity and losing the favor of the government, bitcoin was still able to stand still firmly. It may also depend on how you define success, if you consider it as something that helps you as you persevere on it or it is something that gives everyone benefits as it goes higher in achievements. Bitcoin will has been and will always be successful and as time passes by, it will prove itself more to people why it deserves its position at that moment.

All has a pros and cons.

But may I ask, too. What is your definition for success?

If it is irrational then why you are still here and still a bitcoin believer? If you can see the bitcoin's previous history, it is literally developed and beyond Satoshi's expectations. You are just looking for other governments that has banned bitocin but missed other governments that already accepted bitcoin in their countr

If BTC as a store of value isn't a utility for you I don't know what fiat utility can be for you. The security of the Bitcoin network is hundred times secure than the banks you could praise a million times how is that not a success?

Firms are buying BTC and now that El Salvador is adopting BTC, fellow South American countries are possible to follow and this is a monumental success already for a very tiny country with a population of not more than 10M.

You probably don't see success because you are late or consider yourself to be late, if you were to be an early adopter maybe you would have a different view about it, government don't consider whether btc is pos or pow, this not the reason why they are cracking down on btc every now and then,  their focus is to prevent people from having control of their assets because btc as a decentralized asset gives that privilege,  what you mentioned is far from the reason why government is strict to crypto.

The government isn't just a single entity for a decision to pass to law it must constitute a level of constitutional reading. Bitcoin isn't centralized. It doesn't have a central source and so therefore it can't be banned completely it can only be banned in some part of the world and this leaders would still be forced to unban it most especially when it has made tremendous profit

POS is an oligarchs wet dream, why are the morons advocating, returning to a feudal-system?

POW is U own your own bank

POS is the rich, the people with the most BTC make the rules, why in the hell are the morons pushing poS?

Oh, yep that's right, the majority of bots on this site are paid to push POS, on the behalf of their owners.

Same as always serfs defending their owners, this is like slaves defending the plantation owners.

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OP correct title "As an Irrational Bot, I don't see how I can contribute to my Goals as a Paid Influencer"

Are you that bitter of not having any bitcoin? You don't think that there is any utility to bitcoin? So the 10k pizza by Laszlo didn't happen? Isn't buying goods and services a utility? What's your definition of utility?

When bitcoin has reached the limited supply. no one will know what will happen, I just checked again on coinmarketcap now it has reached 87% of the total bitcoin max supply. bitcoin will be even more successful. it is true that your tought about mining is not completely wrong but if you look at the supply and demand thats will make it bitcoin worth it .

Bitcoin mining consumes too much electricity, yeah but it won't last forever in the end. Renewable energies will take the place of electric energy when it comes to Bitcoin mining. And this will change things a lot. Bitcoin is going to be adopted way easier thanks to this I think.

Rising prices from almost $ 0 to $ 36,000 in 8 years is no small fact about the utility of Bitcoin.

Yes, fees are still high, but this is not a problem given that Bitcoin accumulates value and should not be used for payments and day-to-day transactions.

And have you ever wondered how much electricity and other resources are used to print other currencies around the world, or how many other unfavorable factors there are for the planet in the extraction of other assets such as gold and silver?

In a certain community, there are supporters are there are people that are against to it.
Base on your recent topics, you are against Bitcoin and you are posting threads and spreading FUDS regarding Bitcoin.

I think I don't need to answer your question not because I don't know but because I believe that everything has 2 sides. We are the people who are believing Bitcoin and people like you who are against it and since this is a free forum where you can say anything, you can say anything you want but don't expect somebody to believe in what you are saying especially in a place where most are pro-Bitcoin :).

I see this person a lot here in the BTC board, even sometimes proving that stablecoins are the best. :D
lmao

@OP
You should just better be off if you really not into Bitcoin. Now would you excuse me, I gotta pay my bills through Bitcoin payments. At least I can USE it other than hodling it.

no one can deny the fact that bitcoin has indeed experienced success. but maybe there will be controversy from what point of view bitcoin's success is, because everyone can see differently in looking at what success is from everyone's point of view.

because more people interpret it, there will always be many differences that occur. because everyone can look at it from different angles and that is a natural thing, but which one means more and acknowledges that bitcoin has indeed experienced that success.
it is clear that many recognize bitcoin has experienced success because more and more people continue to trust and want to invest their funds in bitcoin, this is a sign that many believe in bitcoin.

In the era of technological development, we cannot avoid the fact that the need for bitcoin is urgently needed to cover the shortcomings that occur in fiat which may still exist and let them support each other.

You ask where's the value in Bitcoin?

I ask where's the value of this post?

You seem to be asking others to validate whether or not you should purchase Bitcoin. Are you looking for others to push you over the edge to buy it that way, if you lose money, you can blame others as if "they told me to do it, it's their fault I lost money?" Otherwise what is the purpose of the post?

Or he never gets the benefits from bitcoin, so he says that once people can feel the benefits, they will try to earn more bitcoin and not stop before they can reach their goals.
Maybe he got bankrupt when trying to involve deeper in bitcoin and can not recover his money.
If he still trying to recover his money in many ways, I am sure he will see the benefits of bitcoin and maybe he will not say that.
But all in all, we can not blame him if he says bad about bitcoin because they will choose what they want and we can not do anything.

With the rationale described by the OP the market shouldn't have flourished the way it has. The value of BTC is obvious - decentralisation, no more financial crocks, and no you wouldn't want to affect this great advantage by introducing POS over POW.

To me it sounds like OP doesn't know what he's talking about, just one dumb idea in an unfitting community.

Well everyone can have their opinion but that doesn't mean that we have to tolerate the ignorant opinions, they are dangerous and can cripple generations that do not care about people. Also OP, how do you define rationality because I think you don't exactly know what it means.

Rational, real people get caught into scams and lies all the time. Democracy doesn't define truth (although it usually gives us the best shot at finding it).

Bitcoin has already been wildly successful. There are many different cryptos trying to copy it. It has grown to new highs.

No one cares whether you invest. Do what you want. If you were a banker and I was Satoshi in 2009, I wouldn't ask you to invest because the network would speak for itself.

BTC will never move from pow to pos. It may not always remain as pow though.

BTC mining uses as much electricity as you give it. So, if regulations were to make it heavily taxed, it would adjust to use lower amounts of electricity. It uses electricity proportional to political need or greed. It can use a lot less and still work.

If you can't smell success, check your ability to smell.

Your pessimism is fear. What keeps us waiting like every year and is it true that this year's bitcoin is special. The upcoming G7 meeting looks like a big signal for institutional investors to wait and kick IMO. Over 10 years, bitcoin has shown success in this space.

Go on with what you believe OP and we'll go on living with bitcoin and continue making profits. We don't have to specify why bitcoin has already succeeded but the fact that it had survived in 10 years and has even grown in the years to come will probably tell it all.

And if you talk about bitcoin mining, looks like you're a big fan of Elon. I think you still need to grow more in crypto and make good analysis on the crypto updates. I believe we all have the freedom to express our thoughts and ideas but it should also be based on facts and not from false ones.

after Bitcoin is in the heads of 500 million people said CZ and has reached $60k, is this all not a success?

you are not needed in Bitcoin, Bitcoin only needs those who remain optimistic and continue to believe that Bitcoin is freedom. throw away your thoughts to get rich in Bitcoin because Bitcoin provides more than that. Bitcoin is freedom and people really need it.

This is probably one of the people who have been hurt by Bitcoin, maybe because they don't get profit or lose money in Bitcoin?
Or maybe he is a hater. Well, Hater will always hate anything.
And what do you think so far against the world of Crypto, but you are still here is contradictory.

We all have different experiences with regards to Bitcoin making us have different perspectives as well when it comes to defining what success we have got upon doing engagement with it for a period of time. It seems like the OP has an awful experience which makes him not believe or not to see success or progress with Bitcoin letting have negative stand about it. But if you will ask other people that have also gotten into the same situation of trials and failures but still have been able to stand and gain their success after couple of times failing and trying, maybe you can just be able to understand that success are for those who work hard and risks on trying and not for those who just expects them to get it for an instant.

I Wonder how much You guys getting payed from the Bitcoin creators.
Btc has  no utility That's it and If u Say it has then it means You Know about btc it means you claim You Know about banking and Financial system...
Then I have to ask. Tell us More about things If u Know about btc u Know More

Leave it to discuss to People who are experts.

Don't be blind! After 10 years of bitcoin existence, you still don’t see the success of bitcoin. Or maybe you lost a lot of money investing in bitcoin at a wrong time and sell it immediately like a weak hands during a sudden dropped. You know, bitcoin is too useful for us, it has a lot of advantages, benefits and value as a digital currency and as a digital asset.

I'm not in any way disturbed about your thinking physiology. We actually have freedom of thought and every individual has their personal school of thought. But for me I'm not seeing the possibility of Bitcoin been banned by Government agencies since it's not a centralized currency. I'm anticipating the surprise Bitcoin is coming with to pay those who patiently waited. It would be wiser if you are not left behind