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Why??? Why would anyone play on these when there are eur and usd casinos and poker rooms?

I try to move money to Coinpoker.com or any crypto poker and the minimum transaction fee for btc is over 20$ When my intended deposit 20$.

After the fees to get money on crypto poker my remaining balance is 0

While when you do usd or eur there no big or no fees at all and the deposit is instant to while crypto not.

Burn down bitcoin!!!! It's the worst useless, inferior shit you can imagine, how did ever get a market value

Well, we are already knew that. Even for ETH, the fee was higher than $20 just only want to withdraw or execute our transaction. It's not even new, you can exchange your bitcoin to altcoin which has lower fee, such like doge or tron.

Can't transfer those to crypto online poker.

then why use it? you keep blabbling about how bitcoin is so bad yet you are still here and begging people for some BTC. that's why no one takes you seriously you heavily contradict everything that you say. if you ask me, I think you're just asking for some attention.

You see here's the thing, I did go nearly 8 days without eating anything, collapsed and starved like a mad man because nobody on this forum had enough integrity or kindness or reason to lend me 20$

20$ Ficking bucks! And to this day still nobody has done so.

Now imagine the transaction fee being 20$, a week worth of Ficking food that could be the difference between life and death and you can't even use Bitcoin for that amount of money

And that's how you get your wow reasonings, without eating anything? I'm just glad you still here with us. If you think you can't expect anything from here then why stay? You're not getting some $20 here because what they'll lend with you is Bitcoin worth 20 bucks and you fucking hate it, am I right? So better not to lend it with you.

Then try to move to other coins that have a lower fees to deposit or withdraw and whatnot. Also, your pretty irrational, why go down the anarchy and oppose bitcoin just because you have to pay exorbitant amounts to play, is it really necessary to ruin the fun for other people just because you are miserable now? That's a cute mindset, you want people to feel like shit like you because you are scared of being alone, too bad they are smarter than you in anyway possible.

That's why its really good to read first on what casino have since if you decide to deposit without even reading any details about them you can blame yourself on why you choose to play on that casino and also expect the fees high since transaction fees also high especially if the network clogged so don't blame any casino regarding on this issue and if you cannot take this you better move on fiat based either online or physical casino.

Just because you got 3 red tags doesn't mean that you have to shit on bitcoin no matter what, also isn't it a bit stupid of you to speak ill of bitcoin and crypto gambling sites while at the same time you are a scammer? Kind of ironic if I say so myself.

why even turn to this forum to beg for money? the forum is riddled with scammers, con artists, etc... with different "stories" to tell. who's to say you're not one of them? you can't expect people to believe you just because you said I am hungry and starving.

Don't give a shit about 3 fake feedbacks when I have over 3000 real positive ones

https://localbitcoins.com/accounts/profile/viral/

I found one site and one site only at the moment that appears to allow bitcoin cash transaction with a fee of I dunno 0.6$?

Betonline.ag     !

Doesn't change the truth about bitcoin though,

All that it stood for years ago is gone,

It was low transaction fee - no more
It was somewhat anonymous - no more
It represented sovereignty and freedom -  no more
The transactions used to be fast than banking - no more

Lmao I turned to this forum asking for a loan because I starving to death and had nowhere else to go, you don't know what you don't know.

Besides those people could tell that I was in trouble but plainly decided not to help even if it would mean my death

Now Burn down bitcoin because your account is already Burned down from this community? in the beginning you are keeping yourself here but now as your account was multiple times tagged now becomes a damn Bitcoin hater?

and have you just played Crypto gambling ? have you just now made a deposit and withdrawals that goes with so much high fees?

or you are crying because you only has 20$ and not get it to feed your family?

It says there that you were last seen 9 months ago, and those positives are just transactions, I mean everyone who deals with bitcoin for transaction or has a business in crypto can pretty much catch up to those number. I get your plight though, bitcoin has to compromise if it wants to grow and we aren't in control.

For anybody who wants to talk shit I got my bitcoin cash credited and doing a beginner stream with it now https://m.twitch.tv/postinsidefacebook/home

I really felt your pains and what you went through in the hands of larger fee that leads to having nothing if the transaction was eventually executed. Really $20 is not a small money especially for those living in a remote area or third world countries.
Well I'm not here to blame your ignorance or to assert unscrupulous move but I still appreciate your findings (genuine or not) in getting a better mean of actualising your aim for getting a cheat network fee.

Why focus on one game only? we have a lot of games to enjoy in crypto, and since you call it crypto gambling, it should not be limited to poker only. We have a lot of casino games and don't forget sports betting. Why do we choose to gamble here? simply because we are gambling anonymously, fiat casinos cannot offer that.

why would we needed to check your streaming ? is this the reason why you created this post just to advertise your streaming? yeah nice strategy so now you are really VIRAL.
This person has no happy thoughts in mind and you can find that even in His trust page in which already going to vanish as His behavior shows his personality .

I would never want to play slots or video games or black jack or dice or any games where the house has an obvious unbeatable advantage.

It's like throwing money in a trashcan.

But now I also had the worst poker session in my life, so it's obvious that bashing Bitcoin and casinos has brought terrible luck to me.

You stupid

You better get a life aside from gambling since seems you cannot take your losses thats why you are spreading hatw towards here. Maybe you need to chill out for a while and comeback when you are in right phase since if you make all things complicated on your side then you are just making your life stressful so take some piece of advice from the users since it will really helo you ease the stress level you got from lossing in casinos.

Stop gambling on gambling sites and spend your momey money on food simple as that. Would you rather gamble or spend the money to buy food since you mentioned that you are starving instead of babbling about how worst piece of shit gambling sites are. Also, find a job to have stable income or use your skills in crypto space (except your gambling skills and begging skills).

I have a job sure.

Just candidated to become the new CEO of Coinbase
https://ibb.co/f8Tmw9n

Here I am extracting money out of a 850 billion market cap company

https://endfb.com/the-battle

And here is one of many examples doing so

https://m.facebook.com/105364208455173/posts/105373301787597

I came to complain before I went to play poker for valid and true reasons.

Ive been 5 years without serious wager, who can say the same here?

If you make this forum a begging way, why would anyone help you? It is very difficult to trust someone without knowing the details about him. You better consider your position and see how difficult it was for community members to trust you. So trying to get money for free will always be futile so refrain from this attempt in the future.

You say you don't have money to buy food, so where did this money come from to gamble? Stop gambling and buy food with that money. When you have money to gamble, how do you expect people to lend you money?

My ducking money was stolen by Coinbase, Facebook, the government and the people around me

Lol. You are clearly a delusional idiot. If you don't like crypto gambling sites and cryptocurrencies, why in the world did you invest in them and why on earth are you on this forum?

There are ways to withdraw money from gambling sites by paying low or zero fees(Bitcasino, Sportsbet, Altcoins like LTC and Doge etc). Also, I recommend getting your health checked asap since you clearly have issues.

To go way back I was exchanging runescape.com gold, I got into bitcoin because it appeared to be similar real world value to money.

Being a couple years in Bitcoin I started to believe that it could replace the money that was used to buy food, a couple years further I was becoming a leading athlete in my country that was financed by rising prices of my bitcoin holdings.

So my freedom of speech of was taken away and I wanted to retaliate by removing my citizenship and I wanted to use Bitcoin to buy food.

Well... Turns out you can't buy ducking food with bitcoin.

You need a citizenship to first convert the bitcoin into money that can buy food.

Therefore Bitcoin doesn't have any freedom qualities whatsoever, it's also slow, expensive and it doesn't take the FBI to track where the money comes and goes to...

So what are the benefits of crypto? I'm really ducking curious

Well, first of all there are better places that charge less, maybe you used one that wasn't good so I would say try to check other places. Secondly people do not play poker too much in crypto world anyway.

I do not want to name any names to make it look like I am shilling, but there is this poker website in crypto world that is the first and has been around longer than any other poker place and those guys are still having hard time filling their cash tables, which means that people do not prefer that, and the other ones that came later did all kinds of promotions but they are living the same fate as well. We love casinos here, and sportsbooks here, but poker is not something that we do play too much, it is just not what people gamble in crypto world. It is not even about the transaction fee, poker in fiat world is just way too big and it is not sharing it with crypto.

^ Lmao, I don't know if OP was on the right mind because if you only have $20 then that is enough to gamble. How poor you are and that was clearly that gambling is not for you. If you cant afford it, then, don't force yourself to gamble even you know that is the only money you had.
Crypto gambling is good for anonymity and also for the fastest transaction, not like bank transfers you will need to wait working days and it should in business hours. Nevertheless, people like this are truly don't understand what is cryptocurrency and how it will use.

for me there is an exception for Bitcoin and not to bet in gambling should be despite the big profits though. You are right, if you have Usd or Eur then it is better to choose it than having to sacrifice a valuable asset.

Almost all of your post does really correlate with negativity or flaws of crypto specially with Bitcoin.If you do hate it that much then why you are here on the first place?

If you do find out that fees do sucks then you can always stick into your traditional centralized fiat and no one had been forcing you to make use of crypto or bitcoin itself.

Majority is been aware of that but we know that there are alternatives which we can make use to minimize the fees which is on the use of altcoin.
You can always make out conversions to save up fees.

Exactly, I saw most of PO's posts are it's all about hate towards cryptocurrencies and now OP was created this thread trying to attack gambling gamblers why they will gamble using crypto. That is a good question, why you are here and you have a strong feeling to write this even you know that we are here love to gamble using cryptocurrency.

I don't know what is the problem with you, but instead of arguing the fee that you have paid on the transaction, instead, learn on how to reduce it using a different wallet.

That is why before entering the crypto world, especially crypto gambling, you must analyze them at first, analyzing the platform to be used whether it is reputable or not, including considering the coins and also its fees for withdrawal and deposits. And it doesn't mean that you must spread the FUD even you have your own bad experiences because there are still many benefits of using cryptos and many people also get high profits from this.

Are you kidding me????
This is your fult. Why? You don't need to enter this crypto gambling world if you don't want to meet the risks and also you are not ready with the risks. And moreover, if you still use your money for eating and your daily needs to gambling, this is a big big big mistake.

Because you are posting here in crypto world so don't expect users here to still use fiat money where we can have a better options with a great value. Crypto gambling are growing and if you think this is not good then better not to spend time here. You ask someone to lend you and expect them to give it easily? Bro you have to work on it and stop spreading FUD because it can't help you.

I understand your frustration since you can’t afford $20 better not to gamble at all, if you are going to try the platform then use their demo mode so you can experience the platform without spending any money. Some site gives you small token so you can play with them, you can try csgo500 as they offer free tokens that you can use. Just don’t hate crypto gambling because this market grows a lot and it offers so many options for the gamblers.

There should be many different options for you, it is not necessary you use bitcoin or ethereum as deposit, you can use TRC20 USDT for low fee if supported. There are many altcoins that have low transaction fee, like the litecoin, ripple, monero and some others that  have low fee. I remembered when I sent last to betnomi, I used litecoin, it has a very low fee, also withdrawing using litecoin is also having low transaction fee.

When you are making out the most of your 20 bucks to play.

- Wait for the network not to be clogged.. Wait for 1sat/byte transaction fee
- Convert that Bitcoin into altcoins

Problem solved!

You dont need to whine up over just because you had spend all of your money in fees. If you do really like to play
then theres always a way.You turn up to be that too hateful.

I feel more comfortable with cryptocurrency based gambling. It gives me the best access than the gambling platforms with the traditional fiat usability. The transaction fee is high, but we get to see better experience. Apart from this the KYC free access makes gambling more enjoyable. People take into consideration different things while getting into any particular platform. The cryptocurrency accepted platforms are used much for anonymous usage and for much faster settlement on winning and losing.

What happen to this viral kid, you lose your BTC?

If you value your BTC so much, try the altcoins shit. There are lots of choices for you than the fiat and the most advantage of all is that you don't have to register your real name in crypto casino. You just go ahead and play without worries or just continue to your traditional casino.

Then simply don't play using bitcoin and looking for other site which accepting other alt to get lower fee withdrawal, don't make any reason again to say the fee is too high. We all already used about it

You're not alone man , i also have that experience in other site couple of months ago but instead of withdrawing my 30$ with 20$ fee i stopped and wait until the fee gets lower and yes after days of waiting it lows down to 2$ and i withdrawn 28$ .

They are gambling with crypto because they want to earn with it to increase their crypto holdings.
Everyone is free to gamble whatever currency they like whatever site they want to use it's all just the same gambling is gambling no matter what currency you use.
If you're holding crypto and want to increase it by gambling would you waste some crypto to pay for fee on trading it just to gamble?

Crypto gambling is great! What I mean by crypto is not just BTC, but other coins as well. If you use cheap coins like LTC, XRP, TRX, etc., the fees are almost zero. How about the OP's case? Well, BTC for gambling depends on how much $$$ you want to use, and the "season." Transferring thousands of dollars is possible in BTC with just $20 fee, it has no limit unlike your debit/credit cards. In some period, BTC fees were also cheap less than <$1.

Just use cheap coins man if you only play with a small amount.

There are many casinos where you can deposit other cryptocurrencies and then the transaction fee is a few cents and you do not pay anything for the deposit.
If you've lost $20 in BTC, you're more likely to have been scammed.
Try to be more careful in the future.

Why pople play in crypto casinons? - Mostly to do not pay taxes.

This is why i think OP is just trolling because He seems to be a long time gambler but yet did not want to use Altcoins like Dogecoin, Tron or even ripple when playing.
there are so many coins aside from Bitcoin and ethereum that has too much fees when withdrawing and depositing so best to use other coins such i mentioned.
also OP don't be very bitter because there are many here that has same issue , i also have this same thing in the past but i already moved on and accepted that this is part of crypto world.

Because on many crypto casinos they can stay anonymous and they don't have to share their personal details with anyone else. If you know how to play, it helps you increase your stash for the coins you play with.

You should read about this before you deposit money on a site. Check the TOS, talk with the support, and if you aren't happy, don't play there. It's that simple. You have to pay a mining fee every time you move coins from one place to another. That's the case when you deposit to Coinpoker.com or whatever you use as well. Coinpoker doesn't have anything to do with that. When you withdraw, the casino might ask you to pay a withdrawal fee. Part of that goes to them and another part to the miners. Or, all of it goes to the miners. It depends on the platform. Check it beforehand.

Is someone holding a gun to your head and forcing you to gamble with crypto. Use whatever you like better. 

Very mature.

You can't jump to conclusions and try to pass it on to others when it's only happened to you
I love all games and dice one of my favorites

I just can't play poker, I've tried before, it frustrates me
btw, don't calculate the fee that is charged to you when you make a BTC deposit, when you win, it covers your fee losses

Why you seem so mad? If you search for the other coins that available on many gambling sites which have a low fee of transaction, I think you can reduce the fee so you still have a balance in your account.

For example, you can use Dogecoin, which is available in most crypto gambling sites, to lower the fee for the transaction. But I think you do not search for the right casino for you to playing gambling and you only pick a random crypto gambling site and you generalize all of the crypto gambling sites have the same thing.

People who use the crypto gambling site are concern with their identity and so far, if they play in a fiat casino, they must verify their account and fill KYC. You do not have to try playing gambling using crypto, especially if you often playing online gambling using fiat.

Well so far the feedback that I am getting from the people that I have encountered with gives positive feedback to the cryptocurrency gambling sites. Right now it is good to use cheap coins when you go to gambling websites. Cheap coins are like good use for betting and gambling like XRP, LTC, TRX and others where the fees are almost zero. BTC fees are also cheap right now even with thousands of dollars and it is possible to use BTC in these gambling websites. So it is really depending on the perspective of the person.

Still depends on the preferences of the player there are a lot of people who love to play gambling the platform just only given them good enough options which are better for their user's feedback and the team also because they don't let suffer their limited options.

Also, there are different services offer today you can now deposit with the use of your cards or the fiat currency and the cryptocurrency just let you play of course not all the time it's free so you need to pay those fees. If you don't want you can use other crypto coins having a lesser feel like LTC and XRP most of the time I used these coins.

Making an initial deposit on an exchange and converting fiat to crypto, we are not obliged to use bitcoin because many crypto gambling platforms already accept deposits with other cryptos and of course it is a good option for those of you who are burdened with fees. I personally use crypto gambling because I just want to stay anonymous and even I have never used the fiat gambling platform which is already widely available in my country and also, I have never been burdened with fees so far from the low bitcoin price to now which has been on the moon, I still use bitcoin to gamble on crypto gambling and still fun for me personally.

Rofl.  That’s I’ve been using Tronz for gambling.  It’s cheap to use and lightning goodness faster than any coin out there.  And here’s the thing..  I don’t care if I lose it in betting these matches for some reason.  ;D

So that’s the advice.  Use Tronz!  We fight for the users!

https://i.imgur.com/7tcY3sB.jpg

Well it just shows you Crypto is not idiot proof!

We use Alt coins with almost zero fees when we deposit coins into our favorite casinos... and we avoid the casinos that only accepts Bitcoin. We also have the advance that our gambling money can "grow" ..when the price goes up, so you do not play with the coins.. when the price goes down.  ;)

Use USDT or other stable coins, when you have to wait for the price to go up to play with the more volatile coins. Eazy Peazy .... :D

Also stop advertising your Streaming....  ::)

This is the problem when a person avoid doing their own research but instead have a plenty of time to complain. Crypto these days are not bitcoin only that's why we do have what they called an alternative coins or altcoins and it was proven to be cheaper than in bitcoin in terms of transaction fee.

You should not play something that you don't understand because it's like walking straight on a cliff thinking it's the same road you are walking. Play in casinos who accepts fiat instead if you don't understand how bitcoin works.

bitcoin has high fees and causes a lot of embarrassment especially when it is used to make payments, i particularly prefer to use litecoin to buy things and make withdrawals from exchanges and casinos. using bitcoin to withdraw in exchanges the person pays high fees, Is a big headache. I hope that in the future bitcoin will improve on this downside, we can't be depending on altcoins to make cheap transactions


I ask the following question:

what is the purpose of bitcoin? be kept in wallets ( hodl ) and be on exchanges for people to trade and altcoins will be used for payments?

OP is not wrong.

Its actually easy to complain rather than on making on ones research on how he would able to save up fees and make out directly some complaints and whining that bitcoin is shit because of the fees which do makes him look like a fool instead.

If he does know on how to make things work without spending that much then we wont really be seeing these kind of whines here on the public.

People never ever learn and they do really love to be spoonfeed.Its not actually  much big of a problem because we can have several option for us to resolve
the problem without spending that much.

This is honestly what keeps me from using bitcoin on small transactions and transfers. As it goes more and more expensive, same goes with the price of fee. True that the bitcoin equivalent might be lower than previous years but most of us buy bitcoin with dollars, and we only factor that amount when we are making purchases, transfers, or receiving something. For this reason, I'm just using any other altcoins that are still accepted in the platform that I use, and if I win something, just convert it back to bitcoin then withdraw.

Because gambling with euro and usd is risky and expensive. Also it is not anonymous.

There are many crypto casinos that don't ask for KYC and you can safely gamble there. It is fast, it is safe, no questions asked.

If the government wasn't regulating that and regulating this, people wouldn't bother to use crypto.

If you do not like it then do not play, I do not think this is complex at all, if you do not like how this market works then you do not need to be here, after all it is not like it is mandatory to use bitcoin or any other cryptocurrency, go back to your fiat poker rooms and be happy with the service you receive, what is the point to come here and complain about it when most people here know that sometimes the fees can be very high and we need to either wait for the fees to go down or we need to use a cryptocurrency with cheaper fees like dogecoin?

LOL! If Bitcoin doesn't work for you, it doesn't mean it won't work for everyone.
I'm, for example, quite happy with the current transaction fees. However, I don't use it to transfer small amounts, like your $ 20. There are other ways to do that.

This shouldn't be a problem to your case; then don't use crypto for gambling then, it is a simple solution!

People who gamble using cryptocurrencies are aware of the fees when withdrawing their winnings. Unfortunately, with the rise of its value in the market, the fees also have increased resulting to high withdrawal fees to compensate the miners. If this bothers you so much, then avoid gambling using BTC. This is one of the consequences and most people are aware of it.

You need to start finding and playing at casinos that offer Segwit wallets instead. They offer much lower transaction fees when moving between wallets so you shouldn't take a hit. Sticking with Bitcoin casinos and sportbooks that do not have any fees or minimum amounts to access your funds is also essential but there are plenty of review sites around which can help you with that. It might be worth exchanging your bitcoin with some other cryptocurrencies that are cheaper, have higher overall quantities available and thus have lower fees involved. Try Dogecoin or something similar.

That's an odd experience since the fees for bitcoin had already dropped. Haven't you set the fees before depositing it to coinpoker? there might be no fees for those fiat transactions but you're required to get into KYC as the first step. There's no sense if you're complaining about the fee if the fees have dropped already and you didn't adjust it because I did transactions lately and I'm because the fees were not that much anymore as you say.

That anger of yours won't do anything and it doesn't matter. Use altcoin for cheaper transactions if that casino you are depositing accepts it.

I suggest everyone in here not take the OP's words seriously. This person is either a scammer or has psychiatric issues. First, OP claims to hate Bitcoin for high fees on gambling websites (though the fees aren't that high anymore, and there are ways to avoid paying high txn fees), then says that he has no money for food and will starve to death. But later says about having a terrible poker session lately, and what kind of starving person plays poker? That's literally gambling with one's life.
Then he tells some stories about being an accomplished athlete in his home country (which entails having a lot of money, right?), that was only paid with BTC, then there was something about removing citizenship and not being able to use those Bitcoins (what?).
And, of course, there was something about being scammed by Coinbase and Facebook... I don't know how about you, but I see a number of inconsistencies here, and all this seems either as a very strange attempt to scam people, or simply a delirium.
Also, OP seems to be doing such things not for the first time, check the trust of this person (thank you Bitcoin Forum for this system!), there are scam accusations, which looked pretty similar to what we can see here.

Thanks. I don't have to go through with his anguish on this thread.

There's one that's being concluded and that's he's a serial bitcoin hater. Whether, it will be in gambling deposits or exchange deposits, he will end up telling people that bitcoin fees are high with the fact that it's no longer high.

I guess it's convenient to be spoon-fed rather than doing their own research because they think this forum has a lot of triggered people if they say bad reviews about bitcoin. That's so ignorant moves if that's what they think it makes them useless to the society. You know a one of a kind to keep blaming the government where in fact they could just follow what the government trying to teach them.

Complaining everything isn't normal it's an abusive act or a spoon-feeding tactics to get what they want in no time.

because crypto poker rooms can offer a unique service that cant be found on fiat poker rooms . if you will found out the number of gamblers playing on crypto poker rooms and crypto gambling in general you will be shocked .
before you send your coin you will view the estimated amount you will get minus the fee and why will you continue when you will pay more for the fee more than your deposited money ?  and have you heard of altcoins . try to use them

But now you can make a transaction with 1 sat/byte and it will be confirmed in the next block itself while some casinos are still collecting huge fee so you can decide which one offering the best and cheap for everyone can afford since there is more convenience while you play on a crypto casinos compared to fiat, so just see the good side of it and if you still don't like them then just go to the fiat poker room.

That's what should be the solution to using altcoins when bitcoin usage is too torturous in terms of fees, I personally have no problem using crypto. But looking at the OP's case I think it might be a big problem in itself so put it that way in the title of this thread and basically if the issue is just about cost we realize there are plenty of other options to keep costs down. But if that still makes him uncomfortable, I think it would be best to get out of this crypto gambling circle immediately and it's very easy to do.

Sounds very stupid mate to not knowing how much the fee and how much is His funds remaining..

I don't know whats the motive of this post but i believe that this has nothing to do with the gambling itself but the laziness of OP checking the transaction first before going through .

This will serve a lesson to Him and if he is not happy with the crypto gambling then he must stop playing and just go in real casino.

It seems that the opening post doesn't really understand crypto gambling, because everyone who is used to playing crypto gambling must
have understood how to overcome the fairly high transaction fees. Because it is related to transaction fees, we can use altcoins which have
cheaper transaction fees. So don't overreact to transaction fee problems, everything has a solution. But if the opening post really views crypto
gambling negatively and is not comfortable playing crypto gambling, OP really shouldn't need to play crypto gambling. Because there is
no compulsion to play crypto gambling.

Secondly transaction fee is only detected when we withdraw money out of the gambling site. Most of the gamblers including myself keep the money inside the site and play gambling. As long as you do not need the money to spend, its better to keep the coins within the site and avoid tx fee.

If you aren't comfortable with a certain coin then try to use more reputable coins. If you're having trouble with a casino site, then choose better casino sites. The decision is always in your hands. You always have the freedom to choose so better look for something that you're comfortable playing. Well, crypto gambling needs a broad knowledge and understanding, and to be honest, it's a long process of learning so if you're still having trouble with things, that simply means that you still have a lot to learn.

Its all different strategies and different situation for everyone. If someone is ready to take risk and thinking if luck is be with them and can make money then they could make a good amount in gambling and if using crypto you can double or more in quick time and invest that crypto for future. Not necessary there is only 1 crypto available, use different coins whose transaction fees are next to negligible and play with tit and exchange if required to other coins later on. Or else play with fiat and on winning just buy crypto which is an alternate.

There are just people on this world who do really love to have some easy life and doesnt really want nor like to experience any hardship and just directlya thing is shit when he do experience unpleasant on it without even trying to find some alternative which is actually lots and a much more simplier if he really wanted to play without telling bullshit things that turns out and make him like a clown instead. Dealing with crypto not only on gambling field is indeed a long process and even with the basic things you should be at least aware on how things been working.

its clear that his motive is to hate bitcoin or the bitcoin gambling sites only because he pays more for the fees but this complain was not new to us .
 they can say what they want in btc or in btc gambling but it wont affect us and the btc gambling because this community is only getting stronger and there are fiat gamblers that transfer here and liking their experience with btc .

I will disregard the shitty behaviour of OP.

About fees, if you can't adjust to the current situation then there's nothing you can do. Bitcoin fees won't adjust for you.

Everyone is doing some adjustment by depositing more because they really want to gamble. Others are also converting their BTCs to altcoins to save fees but you need to DYOR for casinos that accept deposits from these low fees altcoins.

Crying won't help you. Help yourself.

People are smart nowadays and we can easily detect if the words provided by any comlainants is true or not but since this is just a troll post its better ignore or better try to understand the poster since maybe he really doesn't know what he's talking since if he really knows about it for sure he will be considerate and became open on some possibilities.

Just don't play gambling if you can't afford the whole process, simple as that. Both bitcoin and gambling sites doesn't need anyone as bitter as you for something so easy to be fixed without saying any foul words. Just do physical gambling games to avoid transaction fee as an alternative, that might help you to fix your problem.

Currently, Bitcoin is the currency of wealthy people.  Elite currency.  If you are planning to lose $ 10,000 or more at online casinos, then Bitcoin is your choice. 

At its core, modern Bitcoin is poorly suited for day-to-day transactions. 

Bitcoin is a store of value.  Bitcoin is a tool for making cross-border payments. 

However, you don't need to use Bitcoin in your online casino. 

There are many other alternative cryptocurrencies out there.  There are also stablecoins.

Because they want to. You have a problem with that? They probably find crypto currencies more flexible and easier to use. Probably there are people that likes to gamble with the profit/gains they made from investing in crypto.
Then why are you playing with bitcoin when you can't afford the fee? Stick to fiat since you think it's better to gamble with. No fee, nothing... Why are even crying over here?
You hate bitcoin, fine. What are you doing here? Why is it bugging you a lot?
So you are bad because people didn't lend you 20$? Lol, okay.

Trust me I understand how this sucks but crypto casino is actually cool when you are depositing a large sum because after a win your cash out is more massive overriding the gas fee and making your bet worth the stake. So you don't hurt your self stick to fiat gambling so you can limit your losses and have enough fun from gambling as well.

It could also give you a great and wonderful feeling, if you are able to win something. And especially don't get upset when you've lost something, and just accept the loss. We all win sometimes, but you have to stick to your limits to avoid that tilt.

That is the best way for him not to playing gambling. Suppose we can not handle ourselves in gambling, then why we should play gambling because that will make us in a hard situation. Even if he playing on physical gambling games, there will be other problems that he can get. He needs to prepare himself before playing gambling and accept anything that can happen while playing gambling. Otherwise, the same situation will happen again.

The casino operators allows Bitcoin deposit because it is easy to liquidate and easily traded with other altcoins inspite of the fees.The transaction fees can be high for small players that's why you have been given other options like Litecoin or doge with you so why choose btc if you hate it? I don't understand what is your exact problem like fees,Bitcoin or somebody didn't give you $20 to gamble?. See man if you are having good job profile you can afford to gamble more than $20 and why keep yourself starving just to gamble.Quite weird reasons for your statement.The crypto casinos are not going to face million dollars of loss even if you decide to leave them because you can't handle presume and fees.So better focus on your normal life.

I don't think it's all but it's like most that crypto gambling sites are like that, well basically the more bitcoin price increases.. it would be really annoying to see fees are so expensive, which could be when you want to cover the fees.. we even got more lost.
There are still a few or a small number of sites that still provide the opportunity for smaller fees, bitcoin eth bch ltc etc.

I think he is upset because he spent his entire wallet on transaction fees while he would have easily avoided that if he was a little smart and exchanged them for altcoins and deposited.

He isn't upset because he lost but is rather upset because he could not play since all his money was wasted in making the transaction. I don't know what you are talking about, I guess you missed reading the OP. It sucks when you pay fees for making transactions but what I personally do is that I go for altcoins and if not possible I make a transaction with minimal fees on BTC and accelerate it via some free services.

I haven't played at the mentioned site so I don't know if they accept other cryptos but to avoid feed I myself use altcoins like TRX for betting, of course at accepted sites. Bitcoin isn't ideal for small transactions as a gambler, I agree.

When you were making the transaction you must be shown how much was the transaction fees and how much would be the net amount sent, you should have stopped right then if the net amount being sent was 0.

Don't know about other sites but when I bet on bet365 they take 3-6 hours usually for withdrawals to be sent while at crypto sites like stake I get my withdrawal instantly so you are wrong there.

I have a doubt about the fees of bitcoin when it's a bull run, you should expect that the transaction fees will increase drastically due to massive transactions that would cause a congestion in the blocks because people trying to send their funds are increasing the transaction fees to make them on the closest block.

I would suggest that during bull run consider using altcoins when gambling to avoid further paying more due to the increase of transaction fees.

Nice rage! :D I can feel what you are saying but seriously, check the fees beforehand if possible. I don't know what the deposit options are at that casino but there are coins where the tx fee is definitely alright. It makes sense to use crypto. You don't have any gambling history saved on your bank account.

Maybe he has not tried using TRX or XRP. And he will appreciate that depositing and withdrawing those alts are easy peasy. With so many crypto casinos these days, he has a lot of options where to play. Maybe, he had only tried BTC, which of course will incur a hefty fee on his account. One advantage also with crypto casinos is the no KYC thing, which most of the reputable casinos here don't require. The OP can complain all he wants, but there are gamblers who can see the benefits of using crypto casinos.

There is nothing to imagine if you don't have a good knowledge about gambling then it can lead to bad position so you can stop It is best to play according to one's ability if you analyze the market properly you can determine the gambling sites. Cryptocurrency gambling is a problem suffered by brokers addicted to buying and selling virtual currencies whether they are newcomers or professionals the cryptocurrency market is very volatile high risk and fluctuating something that cannot stop investing for them can be a great danger for them.

Have you wake up from a very long sleep that you do not know the benefit of using Cryptocurrency, you have a mentality of 2010 FUDERS who thinks that Cryptocurrency has no future, or you are just so intelligent in your eyes that you have not seen how Cryptocurrency benefit and continue to benefit the new generation, you just go back to your sleep, very unfortunate for a guy with a rank like yours.

Have you ever tried using dogecoin, xrp, or trx to gamble? They have low fees and they are cheap that someone with a small bankroll would still be able to enjoy gambling for a couple of hours. Crypto is a better option for me than fiat because you don't need to provide your private information to gamble. If you are a high roller that you want to gamble for profit, there are stablecoins now which is tied to the value of USD. Cryptocurrencies is not just for gambling, it has plenty of uses and potential to improve our technology.

It's pretty funny how one website was able to do this to you OP, you seem pretty hardcore about losing your money to one website and now you want to burn bitcoin down?

I guess he does not have a good experience using Dogecoin before because in the past, we can use Dogecoin to gamble and if we win, we will not have to pay a high fee for the transaction. A gambler who uses crypto will not have any problem with KYC because they can search for the casino that does not apply KYC and I am sure they already have that casino. Maybe he should not play gambling from now on because he can not enjoy playing gambling instead of complaining.

There are a lot more people comfortable gambling with cryptocurrencies instead of fiat. Most of the sites now are converting their crypto to USD once it's deposited. It's better that way, I think. I know that the fees with BTC is significantly high compared to other crypto but that's just the reality, it's the number 1 coin to be used when we are talking about cryptocurrency applications.

Don't be so negative with BTC already because of the fee, it's more than that. It's being improved and a lot of possible future upgrades are being done in the works. It has market value because people value it.

This man was asking for loans and now he's gambling, great life making decisions right there heh. On the topic of fees though, it's been widely known how insane the fees of BTH are, especially if you were going to only transact a small amount. I'm pretty sure it's close to common sense to anyone that gambles in crypto casinos that BTC is NOT the coin to use. There are many other casinos out there that accept other coins such as XRP, TRON, etc., that have lighter fees compared to Bitcoin.

And didn't you see the transaction fee before they confirmed the transaction? Why'd you go and proceed if you knew the fee was that high?

Some people make a move and then they think about the move they made and about possible consequences! So I am going with you here, it's widely known how insane fees can be, not just with BTC, with some other coins and tokens too... I guess each of us has a choice, to proceed even with high fees, to move to some coins that have lower transaction fees... or simply to take a break until things settle down!
High fees annoy, but for many of us this is not the first time... and somehow I am sure this is not the last time we are seeing high fees! Luckily we have a nice choice of coins that have low transaction fees!

Gambling Crypto is not for CryBaby , specially knowing that this has a congestion sometimes when we need withdrawal and also we are aware of the hyping fee also. but since OP is crying here maybe He does spend all his lifetime funds and not comes to starvation so blaming the gambling site from His stupidity ,imagine now checking how much the fee is and yet come to withdrawal His 20 precious dollars hahaha.

Good point! Before the transaction will take place it will ask if you want to proceed and if you are accepting the fees that being applied, it's you to decide and like you have said, it's common sense that every gambler knows about it and if they continue it means that the fees are just fine for them.

Else, there are available alternatives, alts that are aslo accepted to gambling site which more lesser fees than Bitcoin, as gambler you are  in-charge with every decision you take.

Bitcoin transaction fees keep changing all the time while you also have another alternative to making a deposit to a crypto casino if you don't agree with the expensive transaction fees at the time. I have no problem with this and I would probably be happy not to make a deposit to a crypto casino during a fee increase if I had no other alternative to do so.

OP, high transaction fees not only apply when you send bitcoin to a crypto casino but I'm also sure you also realize that high fees also apply when you make transaction to exchanges or transfer them to other wallet. High bitcoin transaction fees will not cause crypto casino to be viewed badly while there are many other advantage that other gambler need in crypto casino than worrying about transaction fees.

As in everything else in life one has to make a simple search for the thing he is going to apply/do.In this case since it is crypto the kid should have read a few articles on google about how bitcoin works,how fees work,if there is a possibility of sending with a lower fee(some wallets do this but they credit your deposit nearly two days after because of the super low fee) or if he could deposit some altcoin like Litecoin which has fast confirmations and has really low fees.Raging directly against Bitcoin is not the way to go and everyone should learn a bit for the topic they are going to be part of.

I do not know if there are casinos accepting lightning network transactions but if there are then this solves the issue with the fees as the lightning network offers very cheap fees and as the name implies you can send and receive your coins in an instant, if that is not the case then segwit addresses are the best solution at the moment and it is also a good idea that if your addresses have a lot of inputs that we take the opportunity to consolidate them now the mempool has been almost empty for some time.

It looks like OP is right about poker crypto sites accepting only Bitcoin and Ethereum, being impossible to pick an altcoin with cheaper transactions fees. It really doesn't make any sense to deposit such small amounts to play. Better to save more coins in a wallet before depositing on the poker platform.

On the other hand I think someone who has hardly saved 20$ and is starving without food at home shouldn't be using this money to gamble. There are priorities in this moment that are more important than gambling distractions.

Bitcoin isn't trash and has a lot potential yet, but these things don't happen overnight, so it's necessary to be patient, think logically and avoid insane acts like annulling your own citizenship.

Regardless of fees, don't gamble the money you can't afford to lose. I see a beg festival on crypto casino chats after some high-rollers share their big hits. It is quite sad drama to see how other gamblers "attack" and beg for few dollars, they just want to feed their addiction. That is why after one level, it is all about addiction, money and commissions are on the second level...

When one isn't affordable to loss, he needs to look for an alternative or a process that keeps him away from gambling. Winners always enjoy the profit whereas the losers struggling to make profit is common thing with gambling. Don't use the term beg, because if you've experienced the situation of empty wallet losing big amount you'll understand how painful is to ask for few dollars of tip.