Bitcoin Forum

i know this might not seem empathetical. but from a P & S point of view.
taxes should be treated as civil court(like unpaid bills) and not criminal court.
but.. trying to extradite a guy from spain to the US to answer to tax claims seems a bit harsh

having the tax case extradition as the tipping point for him to suicide himself. just seems extreme

we all though the rumours of him possibly killing a neighbour and transporting drugs and weapons
but to have the US not push that. and instead get spanish police to arrest him over american tax evasion. and then grant extradition over tax evasion seems a bit much

i mean imagine someone else under suspicion of a true crime like abuse/murder/hard drugs. but nothing is done. then getting locked up and extradited for not paying a bill..

has the political system gone nuts.
i understand paying tax is important to governments. but in the scheme of crime/harm level. just seems a little bit too forceful to be handling someone internationally over something thats literally an unpaid bill

(yes i get there are other things involved. but lets play the politics version of events that its just to do with tax evasion)

do you feel that someone should be arrested and then deported over an unpaid bill?
i might understand it if he was already found guilty of not paying taxes. and then refused to pay the court fines.and then left the country
but before even being found guilty of an unpaid bill. when its still just suspected. seems harsh to go to the extremes, right?.. especially when so many others do the same and get away with it.

The awful part of this scheme is it's mostly one way and selective.
Many of large tax evaders, financial criminals and corrupt leaders from around the world are getting refuse and immunity in EU nations, UK and even in US.
Still, I'd recommend everyone to pay your bills timely. McAfee messed up his life badly.

I've seen a lot of conspiracies about it already, lot of people think he got Epstein'd, apparently. US doesn't mess around with financial crimes, he was gonna rot in a federal prison for the rest of his life after a life of luxury, no surprise to me he killed himself. I would feel sympathetic, but it isn't too difficult to follow the tax law and not get caught up in white collar frauds. If this was just a case of someone avoiding taxes, slapping them with a huge fine and calling it a day seems fair, because let's be honest, wealthy people dodge taxes all the time and plenty never get caught.

Yep he is indeed dead. In a prison cell no less much like Jeffrey Epstein. Coincidence?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-57589822

Whenever he was interviewed before he died he became a total drunk was wasted when he was on. He may have been a crypto scammer but he knew the inner workings when he was a respected anti-virus analyzer creating the McAfee anti-virus software before being bought out by Intel.

Why would he commit suicide IN SPAIN?

he was a bit paranoid. he thought the tax evasion arrest was just a sidenote. where he thought the US was after him for murder torture, theft, drugs and scams

exactly.. there was a UK retail mogul (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Green#Controversies) that owned many retail brands. he syphoned money and leached at the employees pension fund. spent it in spain on luxury houses and yachts.. yet no arrest no extradition

We don't know his reasons but definitely this is an unexpected one. We thought he can always get away from the allegations thrown to him. He was mentioning in his tweets that the US government will not get anything from him because those 'assets' had been dissolved already to Team McAfee. Maybe he didn't want to go thru the lengthy trials in the US and preferred to rest in peace instead. There's more than meets the eyes here.

He was just in the news recently whre he said all his crypto assets are gone. Could it be that he is tortured by Spanish guards and simply make it look like he hang himself?  Yep its a conspiracy theory again but mind you it happens all the time to the poor men in 3rd world counties.

Tax has to be paid in full, thats a message but seem like there are more Elons out there.

Seems that I lived under the rock in past months and I wasn't aware that he was in prison. But I'm not surprised that he ended his life in such way :/ RIP.
But I don't think that's something wrong that court deiced to send him to USA. He didn't paid taxes in US jurisdiction, so, he had to respond there. So, why Spain should keep him?
Probably because court in Spain recently had approved his extradition to USA. And it's obvious that he didn't wanted to go there.

Could also be in the other direction. He handed the guards a bunch of money and walked out the front door and a "John Doe" in the morgue was who was found in McAfee's cell.
Considering the amount of drugs he had admitted to have taken later in life you never know what was going through his mind.

-Dave

Well I wish that is how it turned out. McAfee getting away with much BTC because he was an early adopter and changing his name. However, his previous tweets paint the sad truth:

https://twitter.com/officialmcafee/status/1200864283766251521?

https://twitter.com/officialmcafee/status/1316801215083225096?

That's another way to put it but who knows what could really have happened? I guess there's no way the guy will commit such thing, I'm saying he still got the right mind not to do it, sad thing but I guess there must be a foul play in here of he truly died, just my opinion.

oh heck.. just for entertainment and fun and in no seriousness. lets go full conspiracy

so his kid wrote a tweet about happy fathers day and saying how he was in prison that day..
but mcafee dun goofed he retweeted the kids message afterwards.
(not possible to do stuff while in jail)

so he must have got out of jail.. after the 20th

..
maybe just maybe he isnt dead and its just a bit of misinformation to get US courts off his back

How do we know it was all about taxes?
The guy was demented and had issues that went way beyond a tax bill.

I am not familiar with his alleged other crimes, but the US government has taken down a number of mob bosses on tax charges. They were guilty of plenty of other very bad things but that was difficult to prove.

He has a pretty long history of doing crazy things for attention. He had run for president a number of times without putting in any serious effort into his campaign, but it resulted in media attention.

He likely had a decent amount of money outside of the traditional banking system and overseas jailers are generally can be more easily bribed. I can see him faking his death to get out of jail without a resulting manhunt and him living on a boat for the rest of his life (as he had been).

He is dead mate. The least we can do is let him RIP. He was maverick and definitely brightened up my day on many occasions.

There are lot of rich people don't report their exact earnings and paying less taxes than actually how much they have to pay, so everyone should be deported? Tax evading is treated as crime but the punishment for such crimes on 99% of the cases are going to be the extra penalty along with the tax they have to oay for it.

The fiscal interests of a country belong to the most important things that keep the country alive. So any sane legislator would think twice before making it a mere party in a civil case.

A solution might be to reduce possibilities to accumulate tax debt, for example by relying on mechanisms to raise taxes that occur with lesser delays, like VAT in many countries.

But he would have been put not in a regular jail. He would serve his sentence in a jail for "white collars". He wont be put in a jail full with rapist, murders, drug sellers.
I've read that he would have spend his next 30 years in jail for his crimes. With his money, connections and reputation I think he would feel rather comfortable in jail.
Of course he will be forced to work with feds to reveal other scammer, but I dont see nothing scary to return to the US.
I think that he was either murdered and whole case was set as a suicide, or due to drugs he had lost his mind and went to far with strangling himself (I've read that addicted to that to feel more buzz). Or, he was 76 already, people die in this age. Spanish prison stuff messed with monitoring his health and turn everything into suicide.

Yes, as you say, it's obviously not really about the tax. Just like it wasn't really taxes with Al Capone a century ago.
Just like with Assange, it wasn't really him vs Sweden over a rape allegation... extradition to the US on whatever charge was always the motivation.

Just goes to show that laws are there to be bent and twisted and exploited and applied however you want... provided you are the government. Ordinary people of course don't have that luxury.

Tax evasion is a serious offence, but should you really take your own life over it? I don't think so, no one got hurt. Can't you just make a deal, repay your taxes and go a few years in prison? There are probably more things happening behind the curtain. As usual we will never know about it. I really liked the meme that shows the Clinton and say that John got Eppsteined. Also John McAfee kept tweeting before going to prison that if people say that he committed suicide  then something will be wrong. I am not believing that he really committed suicide.

Watch the video. If McAfee is dead, watch for the stuff coming out in the media. If it doesn't show up anywhere, maybe he isn't dead.


#McAfeeDidntKillHimself #McAfee (http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/307089-2021-06-24-mcafeedidntkillhimself-mcafee.htm)




8)

From the legal perspective only, and avoiding speculations:

I don't know how it works in the US but in Spain, and I think it is usual in common-law, tax evasion is not a crime unless it is a really big amount of money, and it usually gets fixed up without charges if the criminal is open to negotiation and eventually pays.

If it really doesn't work for many billionaires out there (I don't know any so I have to trust vox populi) it is not because the laws are flawed, but because some humans are.

When someone so rich commits tax fraud, to me it is a punishable behaviour because, while in the USA a ridiculously big part of the budget goes to war, in other countries we have high quality public healthcare and education for everybody instead; and this damage to the common good must be compensated.

Anyway, like with Capone, mentioned above, I don't think taxes where the main reason/concern to chase him, so extracting general rules on how tax laws should work based on this particular case doesn't make much sense.

Fact that he retweeted something doesn't means anything. It's not an issue at all to have phone in prison. At least in my country probably almost every prisoner have phone and you don't have to be John McAfee to keep phone.

It doesn't looks that he was kiiled or died because of age. He was found hanging. Offcourse, we can start conspiracy theories, but do we really need it? Because all these drugs he probably lost his mind and didn't wanted to be sent to US at an cost.

McAfee was a conspiracy theorist and likely involved with many other very bad things. He was also 75 years old. Even a few years in prison would have seemed like an eternity to him, and could have led to his early death.

Tributes and conspiracy theories swirl in wake of John McAfee’s death

https://cointelegraph.com/news/tributes-and-conspiracy-theories-swirl-in-wake-of-john-mcafee-s-death

Did John McAfee Put a Dead Man’s Switch on Ethereum?

https://cryptobriefing.com/did-john-mcafee-put-a-dead-mans-switch-on-ethereum/

Whackd coin information

https://rationalinsurgent.com/whackd-coin/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=whackd-coin

Read more about how he lived and you'll understand why he did that. He was the "my way" kind of guy, he lived the life to the full, his life was luxurious in every sense of the word. Not only he could afford anything materialistic, but he also acted against the law (many stories of that) and did what he wanted.
Now imagine that kind of person being in jail - the opposite of the life he was used to, no freedom in anything. He just couldn't bare the thought of that and I think that's understandable.
Also, it's possible that he could've had mental health problems, and the suicide was a very rush and emotion-driven decision in which the background disorder could've played a role.

mcafee and epstein are on two different levels of criminality.
hense me loosely saying tax was civil.. where as kiddy fiddling is definitely criminal

epstein suicided himself because he screwed kids.. then kids screwed him in court and he knew his life was screwed so only option was to screw his bedsheets around his neck

mcafee however has some mental issues. and probably depression. in reality its more likely he knew he would suicide himself once his reputation is tarnished and he cant be public 'free' guy anymore.
so preparing for his death he wanted to to appear like his paranoia and narcissism was real by saying 'if im dead someone done it'

you see it many times with manic depressives. they want to suicide themselves. but they do it in ways that doesnt make it look like it was their choice (suicide by cop)

He was convicted of tax evasion but it is unknown whether he committed suicide because mcafee was found dead in a prison outside barcelona. He was very old he was found dead in his prison cell just hours after a spanish national court approved his extradition to the united states on multiple tax fraud charges he was convicted of a tax related criminal offense where he was sentenced to 30 years in prison. He was also charged with fraud and money laundering for using social media to promote cryptocurrencies.

Staying out of debate over whether Mcafee committed suicide or if he's dead---I'm already over the collective schadenfrede on this one.

+ the smartass in me thinks "if you have any amount of intelligence AND money why the hell wouldn't you choose a country without extradition when you know that your government will go after you (yes Al Capone ;-)).



Should anyone be arrested in another country and extradited to face criminal charges for taxes owed to a government? No
*though we can all foresee the potential effects of not enforcing "legal" tax payments



"When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny"---Federalist papers? Not sure of the quote's origin but it resonates.

"People should not be afraid of their governments,  governments should be afraid of their people." Definitely V (for Vendetta)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ig9IKQpu50o&ab_channel=MovieFragments

I would not agree that he hang himself because he was afraid to get back to the US. That just dont make sense. Jails in the US for "white collars" are not that scare as regular jails. Compared to Russian jails, they are more like a vocation. You can go for a walk, read, visit gym, have TV and other benefits, just behind the bars, separated from other world.

I'm think more about drugs. His death reminds me the death of David Carradine (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Carradine#Wrongful_death_suit). Carradine was also substance abuser. With money and connections like him, he managed to get drugs in jail and accidentally kill himself while trying to get more buzz.

so john mcafee committed suicide.. over taxes


He should have rescinded all his signatures off all the documents he ever signed with the IRS, and then sued the Commissioner of the IRS man to man/woman for a full refund of all moneys he ever paid in + interest.


8)

when i read john mcafee's twitters i honestly thought: "he's having paranoia, it's not possible that the government would go so far as to hunt him down because of the tax", i only believed when i read about his arrest in spain and I remember that I thought he was going to get out of jail soon, but months went by and honestly I wasn't believing they were keeping the man in jail, they could have put him in house arrest, they could have made a deal with him so he'd be paying the tax, it was a big exaggeration what did they do to john mcafee

"""Suicide"""

I don't believe this claim that he committed suicide, I personally believed that he was assassinated by government agents