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Title: Founders of South African Bitcoin exchange disappear after $3.6 billion 'hack'
Post by: jaysabi on June 24, 2021, 04:09:34 AM
So this makes it the largest loss of bitcoin under such circumstances when you consider the contemporary value of the coins lost.  The exchange, Africrypt, told investors they were the victim of a hack and not to alert the authorities, you know, cuz that's super legitimate.  Some law firm attempting to investigate have tracked the stolen coins to tumblers and mixers to try and obscure where the stolen bitcoin was going.  I guess it remains to be determined if they were actually hacked or stole the money themselves, but the two founding brothers can't be found.

From Endgadget:

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Cryptocurrency investors in South Africa may have lost nearly $3.6 billion in Bitcoin following the disappearance of two brothers associated with one of the country’s largest cryptocurrency exchanges. According to Bloomberg, a law firm in Cape Town says it can’t locate Ameer and Raees Cajee, the founders of Africrypt. In April, the exchange told its investors it was the victim of a hack and asked them not to report the incident to the authorities on account it would “slow down” the process of recovering their missing money.

Some of those involved in the exchange hired Hanekom Attorneys, the law firm that said it couldn’t find the two brothers, to investigate the incident. It found that someone had withdrawn Africrypt’s pooled funds from the local accounts and client wallets where the coins were stored originally and put them through tumblers and mixers, making it difficult (though not impossible) to trace the money. “Africrypt employees lost access to the back-end platforms seven days before the alleged hack,” the law firm told Bloomberg. The outlet attempted to call both Cajee brothers multiple times only to get their voicemail each time.

Complicating any recovery attempt is that South Africa’s Finance Sector Conduct Authority can’t launch a formal investigation into the incident because cryptocurrency isn’t legally considered a financial product in the country. If no one can recover the money, it will go down as the largest cryptocurrency loss in history, easily overshadowing the approximately $200 million CAD that disappeared when the founder of Canada’s QuadrigaCX exchange died while travelling in India.


Title: Re: Founders of South African Bitcoin exchange disappear after $3.6 billion 'hack'
Post by: Sithara007 on June 24, 2021, 04:20:13 AM
It sounds like an insider job. The excuse given by the promoters, that informing the authorities would slow down the recovery of the stolen funds sounds just ridiculous. This was just a delaying tactic, so that these criminals could move the funds to some off shore tax haven. Anyway, now the users can blame themselves. One of the golden rules of investing in cryptocurrency is "not your keys, not your coins". These people did the mistake by keeping their coins in an exchange wallet. Now all they can do is to regret.


Title: Re: Founders of South African Bitcoin exchange disappear after $3.6 billion 'hack'
Post by: amishmanish on June 24, 2021, 04:26:10 AM
These Cajee brothers were just 20 and 17 year old kids. While they may have struck the proverbial goldmine with the exchange, it could wholly be possible that they themselves are a victim of the 5-dollar wrench attack.

3.6 Billion is a lot of money. I have no idea what precautions these people took for their safety but young people are prone to boastfulness. If this "disappearance" continue to remain a disappearance, it could as well be that they were gobbled up by someone far more powerful.

The excuse for not investigating is also pretty weak. It has already been a few days and will be impossible to track if something untoward has happened to them. Watch for those proceeds ending up in some politician or powerful policeman's Swiss bank stash.


Title: Re: Founders of South African Bitcoin exchange disappear after $3.6 billion 'hack'
Post by: Vishnu.Reang on June 24, 2021, 05:15:35 AM
These Cajee brothers were just 20 and 17 year old kids. While they may have struck the proverbial goldmine with the exchange, it could wholly be possible that they themselves are a victim of the 5-dollar wrench attack.

3.6 Billion is a lot of money. I have no idea what precautions these people took for their safety but young people are prone to boastfulness. If this "disappearance" continue to remain a disappearance, it could as well be that they were gobbled up by someone far more powerful.

The excuse for not investigating is also pretty weak. It has already been a few days and will be impossible to track if something untoward has happened to them. Watch for those proceeds ending up in some politician or powerful policeman's Swiss bank stash.

LOL.. seriously? A 17-year old was allowed to run a multi-billion business? Is this even legal in South Africa? Here in India it is not legally possible. You need to be at least 18 years old to own a private business. And I am even more surprised with the carelessness from the users. They were keeping billions of USD worth of coins in an exchange which is run by a 17-year old? BTW why these two are missing? That makes me suspicious. What if this is an inside job? BTW, the promoters look much older in this photo. Difficult to believe that one of them is 17 years old.



Title: Re: Founders of South African Bitcoin exchange disappear after $3.6 billion 'hack'
Post by: Kong Hey Pakboy on June 24, 2021, 07:47:29 AM
It sounds like an insider job. The excuse given by the promoters, that informing the authorities would slow down the recovery of the stolen funds sounds just ridiculous. This was just a delaying tactic, so that these criminals could move the funds to some off shore tax haven. Anyway, now the users can blame themselves. One of the golden rules of investing in cryptocurrency is "not your keys, not your coins". These people did the mistake by keeping their coins in an exchange wallet. Now all they can do is to regret.
It is an inside job, their disappearance isn't a mere coincidence, they could've disappeared any day but they disappear after the hacks. This is the reason why I worry a lot about exchanges, they have the ability to get out of the game without being traced back, this will cast doubt to many people who wil see new exchanges in the future.


Title: Re: Founders of South African Bitcoin exchange disappear after $3.6 billion 'hack'
Post by: stompix on June 24, 2021, 08:04:56 AM
Was it really an exchange?
Sounds more like an investing scam:

https://coingeek.com/south-africa-btc-scam-africrypt-makes-off-with-3-8b-asks-victims-not-to-report/

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Africrypt targeted high-net worth individuals and celebrities, according to reports. As with any other scam, it promised ludicrous returns, at times claiming it could offer 10% daily returns. The company was so adept at targeting its victims that most of its investors treated it like their own secret path to a world of unlimited wealth. It was this target market that Africrypt used to reach out to other wealthy investors in their inner circles. Many clients invested upwards of R1.5 million ($105,000), with some going as high as R20 million ($1.4 million).

Here is an archived page:
https://archive.vn/8AoqX

Sounds more like the usual ponzi scheme, probably those 3.6 billions (calculated at max peak price) are more likely sums people though they have in their accounts than actual money invested.

Anyhow, sorry to say it, but the ones investing millions with a company run by a 20 and a 17 year old were looking for a way to lose money.


Title: Re: Founders of South African Bitcoin exchange disappear after $3.6 billion 'hack'
Post by: boyptc on June 24, 2021, 08:15:16 AM
Was it really an exchange?
Sounds more like an investing scam:

https://coingeek.com/south-africa-btc-scam-africrypt-makes-off-with-3-8b-asks-victims-not-to-report/

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Africrypt targeted high-net worth individuals and celebrities, according to reports. As with any other scam, it promised ludicrous returns, at times claiming it could offer 10% daily returns. The company was so adept at targeting its victims that most of its investors treated it like their own secret path to a world of unlimited wealth. It was this target market that Africrypt used to reach out to other wealthy investors in their inner circles. Many clients invested upwards of R1.5 million ($105,000), with some going as high as R20 million ($1.4 million).
Yeah, that sounds like an outright.

Any investment that offers daily returns with a good percentage is truly a scam. Hey, that's a huge amount of money that they've scammed.

It's just a 'hack' exit which is usually being done when they've gathered that much already.


Title: Re: Founders of South African Bitcoin exchange disappear after $3.6 billion 'hack'
Post by: btc_angela on June 24, 2021, 11:28:46 AM
Hard to conclude at this point, probably more of an exit scam, this is clearly a Ponzi scheme, and maybe just disguise to be a Bitcoin exchange to look legit to their investors. Unfortunately, they have fallen for the trap and the brothers disappear at this point.

So I don't know what will be the next course of actions for those who have victimised by the scams, until the bothers is found (dead or alive).


Title: Re: Founders of South African Bitcoin exchange disappear after $3.6 billion 'hack'
Post by: kryptqnick on June 24, 2021, 11:47:04 AM
It's a huge amount of money they've managed to steal. I've never heard of this exchange (or it is an investment scam?), so I'm surprised they had so much money on their hands. I'm very sorry that many people lost their money there and clearly won't get it back. I think it was an exit scam. If it wasn't, I'm really sorry for the owners as well, but even if they're so young, couldn't they realize that huge finances require top security professionals?
This is just another reminder not to keep money on any exchanges and to deposit the money specifically for the purpose of buying something and withdrawing big sums as fast as possible. Then again, it's impossible to follow this advice if you're a trader because you need a balance on an exchange if you're making many orders regularly. So at least it's important to use the most reputable exchanges that are less likely to steal your money.


Title: Re: Founders of South African Bitcoin exchange disappear after $3.6 billion 'hack'
Post by: The Sceptical Chymist on June 24, 2021, 12:39:50 PM
It sounds like an insider job.
Sure does, just like the Livecoin "hack" and it's certainly not the first time we've seen crypto exchanges pull this kind of shit, nor will it be the last I'm sure.

Never heard of Africrypt before, and it makes me wonder what other options South Africans have as far as exchanges go.  Anyone here know what other crypto exchanges they have available to them?

LOL.. seriously? A 17-year old was allowed to run a multi-billion business? Is this even legal in South Africa?
As I said, I didn't know anything about Africrypt so I don't even know if they were doing things legally to begin with.  It wouldn't be hard for a 17-year-old with enough coding/computer knowledge to start up an exchange and even run it, but whether it goes against the law is another story.  There are plenty of shady exchanges out there, likely operating in a gray zone (or outright illegally). 

Interesting story, and yeah--this is yet another lesson to newcomers to never trust your coins with an exchange or whatever this place actually was.


Title: Re: Founders of South African Bitcoin exchange disappear after $3.6 billion 'hack'
Post by: so98nn on June 24, 2021, 01:58:29 PM
God Dammit. I gotta think about myself and my past and where the heck I was all these years?
A 17-18 year kids are earning billion dollars? You got to be kidding. And here I am, I’m scared shit when it’s my girlfriend’s birthday because I have to calculate how much stash I have in bank by that time. LOLZ. That’s a slap on my multiple income sources. I think I should be working 30 hours a day.  ::)

Also, in my opinion too it sounds more or less “accompanied” job with these two on one side and someone with political or corporate power. They might have seen the potential of these two and could have offered ransom to do this.

Crazy world man. Everyone bows in front of money.


Title: Re: Founders of South African Bitcoin exchange disappear after $3.6 billion 'hack'
Post by: Fesatmas on June 24, 2021, 03:19:36 PM
cases like this create problems when investigating, there is no trace that can be traced if it can be easily removed. the data that is used as a benchmark for investigators will also feel hampered. is this only done by two or three people? with that much money, can you escape and leave this country?

As hack-free as this is, it's impossible to store them in one digital wallet. apart from being shared, it will also be split into several other digital wallets.
As for if it hasn't been found so far, we need to ask the party that manages the exchange, at least they are careless and don't provide complete data.
hacking and taking that much money, took a long time, and they weren't suspicious at all.


Title: Re: Founders of South African Bitcoin exchange disappear after $3.6 billion 'hack'
Post by: yhiaali3 on June 24, 2021, 03:42:06 PM
Unfortunately, we have heard a lot of these incidents in recent years. These are the faults of centralized platforms. They can steal your money easily, especially if the platform is in a country that does not recognize the legality of cryptocurrencies. It will be very difficult to get your money back or tell the police about the incident, in addition to this like this Incidents have a huge negative impact on cryptocurrency adoption and help spread bad propaganda about the possibility of losing money on Crypto.


Title: Re: Founders of South African Bitcoin exchange disappear after $3.6 billion 'hack'
Post by: dothebeats on June 24, 2021, 03:49:21 PM
They should have hinted that there is something wrong when the exchange themselves instructed the investors to not alert the authorities. On thefts and hacks with such a huge amount as this one, the last thing you want to do is to give enough time for the hackers to hide their tracks and do some preparations to disappear. In this case, those who knew that there is something happening doesn't do anything, and coerced other people to do the same. This has to be an inside job, and someone has to pay for it. $3.6 billion is no joke.


Title: Re: Founders of South African Bitcoin exchange disappear after $3.6 billion 'hack'
Post by: amishmanish on June 24, 2021, 04:43:01 PM
For those pointing out the 17 year old and getting surprise at him being such a hustler, don't forget that he is a South African, LOL. Think about that other crazy genius from South Africa you keep hearing about..

I guess the history of being sons of Diamond miners and the descendants of crazy sailors who stopped by at the "Cape of Good Hope" does give you some inspiration to be a hustler and try to kick your way out of the all the shit. Especially when they ended up regressing so hard in socio-economic terms by becoming the perpetrators of Apartheid regime. And its hard for them to let go off those questionable pirate ethics. Does anyone remember Hansie Conje and how cricket was tarnished with their match-fixing shenanigans.

Just imagine, if not for racism, South Africa could have been the best example of unity in the world and an inspiration to much of Africa, like Nelson Mandela intended. So much good they could have done. But unfortunately, generations of division cannot suddenly disappear and today, South Africa is really just another developing and dangerous country in the world.



Title: Re: Founders of South African Bitcoin exchange disappear after $3.6 billion 'hack'
Post by: Coyster on June 24, 2021, 05:37:28 PM
I mean going by the name of the exchange, scheme, site or whatever and the amount lost in question, it's pretty simple that quite a lot of people still need to put Investing in Bitcoin on hold and learn what the network is all about, and inculcate the security protocols so as to use them in matters relating to crypto.

Having said that, the people whose money make up the $3.6 billion dollars prolly invested more than they can afford to lose, they failed to be their own bank cause if you're not in possession of your keys, whoever is with it can take it at any given time, they were also gullible to believe the trick of not reporting the matter early enough so it wouldn't slow down the investigation process, that's pretty silly for anyone to believe. The victims went contrary to quite a lot of tenets inherent in the network to keep users safe, thus it's no surprise their funds is in the hands of some boys hiding somewhere, or who prolly themselves might have given it up to someone else.


Title: Re: Founders of South African Bitcoin exchange disappear after $3.6 billion 'hack'
Post by: Vishnu.Reang on June 24, 2021, 06:02:29 PM
They should have hinted that there is something wrong when the exchange themselves instructed the investors to not alert the authorities. On thefts and hacks with such a huge amount as this one, the last thing you want to do is to give enough time for the hackers to hide their tracks and do some preparations to disappear. In this case, those who knew that there is something happening doesn't do anything, and coerced other people to do the same. This has to be an inside job, and someone has to pay for it. $3.6 billion is no joke.

Africrypt claims that Raees Cajee founded the exchange in 2013, when he was just 13 years old (now he is 20). That itself sounds fishy to me. Is it possible for a 13-year old to set up a cryptocurrency exchange, when significant capital is needed for startup costs? They first announced about the hack in April (although it happened many months prior to that). This is the second major scam involving cryptocurrency in South Africa, with the first one being in 2020 when Mirror Trading International went down with BTC23,000 of client funds.


Title: Re: Founders of South African Bitcoin exchange disappear after $3.6 billion 'hack'
Post by: Anonylz on June 24, 2021, 06:03:00 PM
Why the founder have to disappear if he and his exchange are innocent! such a big hack has occurred and he just disappear into tin air, this is clearly an inside job and the actions of the founder looks very suspicious, and to top it all he instructed the victims not to alert the the authorities, who does that! joke of the century, i can't believe they go with such silly request,  another lesson learned, not your keys not your money saying. :-\
between such a young guy in control of such huge amount of money, he his definitely bound to be tempted, the authority should fish him out ASAP.


Title: Re: Founders of South African Bitcoin exchange disappear after $3.6 billion 'hack'
Post by: Kakmakr on June 24, 2021, 06:53:16 PM
The title is misleading, because this site is not an exchange.. but rather one of those scam investment companies that are using Bitcoin (Crypto currencies) as the investment option. This AfriCrypt fraud has been compared to the Mirror Trading International scam. (Ponzi Scheme) ==> Africrypt boasted returns of 2-11% a month  ::)

Go read more at https://www.moneyweb.co.za/moneyweb-crypto/africrypt-hack-of-nearly-r54bn-dwarfs-mirror-trading/ and also see that Raees and Ameer Cajee – reportedly disappeared to the UK (A country from where they can be extradited to South Africa)  ;)



Title: Re: Founders of South African Bitcoin exchange disappear after $3.6 billion 'hack'
Post by: hugeblack on June 24, 2021, 07:03:15 PM
Fake hacks are always the loophole that enables developers or employees to get free money.
Unfortunately, no one can be sure that the hack was carried out by fraudsters or that it was deceived by the owners of the institution to steal money.
Disappearance will not last forever and the authorities may be able to arrest these criminals.
The problem lies in the difficulty of proving such cases, and the disappearance is an indication that they have done so, but it is not the only one.


Title: Re: Founders of South African Bitcoin exchange disappear after $3.6 billion 'hack'
Post by: jaysabi on June 24, 2021, 07:06:43 PM
Was it really an exchange?
Sounds more like an investing scam:

https://coingeek.com/south-africa-btc-scam-africrypt-makes-off-with-3-8b-asks-victims-not-to-report/

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Africrypt targeted high-net worth individuals and celebrities, according to reports. As with any other scam, it promised ludicrous returns, at times claiming it could offer 10% daily returns. The company was so adept at targeting its victims that most of its investors treated it like their own secret path to a world of unlimited wealth. It was this target market that Africrypt used to reach out to other wealthy investors in their inner circles. Many clients invested upwards of R1.5 million ($105,000), with some going as high as R20 million ($1.4 million).

Here is an archived page:
https://archive.vn/8AoqX

Sounds more like the usual ponzi scheme, probably those 3.6 billions (calculated at max peak price) are more likely sums people though they have in their accounts than actual money invested.

Anyhow, sorry to say it, but the ones investing millions with a company run by a 20 and a 17 year old were looking for a way to lose money.

Good find.  I highly doubt anyone did any research into who owned the company, just as I'm sure no one actually does any research before investing with Coinbase or Kraken or any other exchange.  But this touting of ridiculous returns has red flags written all over it.  I don't feel bad for anyone who lost money here, this had scam written all over it.


Title: Re: Founders of South African Bitcoin exchange disappear after $3.6 billion 'hack'
Post by: NeuroticFish on June 24, 2021, 07:18:20 PM
(Ponzi Scheme) ==> Africrypt boasted returns of 2-11% a month  ::)

This clears it up big time.
How on earth did so many people fall for a Ponzi ran by kids? (Yeah, rhetorical...)

I'd say it's just normal that they're gone off radar with so much money at hand. And the "investors" just simply deserve their fate, like anybody "investing" in Ponzis.


Title: Re: Founders of South African Bitcoin exchange disappear after $3.6 billion 'hack'
Post by: el kaka22 on June 24, 2021, 08:24:09 PM
A 17-year old was allowed to run a multi-billion business? Is this even legal in South Africa? Here in India it is not legally possible. You need to be at least 18 years old to own a private business. And I am even more surprised with the carelessness from the users. They were keeping billions of USD worth of coins in an exchange which is run by a 17-year old? BTW why these two are missing? That makes me suspicious. What if this is an inside job? BTW, the promoters look much older in this photo. Difficult to believe that one of them is 17 years old.
I can easily say that there are way too many people in the world who do not check who is the owner. I mean yeah surely we all know CZ and Binance, but who is the owner of Coinbase? Who is the owner of Huobi? Who is the owner of Kucoin? Who is the owner of Poloniex? I can go on and list them all and have to say that I have no idea who the owners are, and I frankly do not care neither.

I can know if it is 17 years old or 70 years old and that is always the same, it is about the trust building and if a place builds a trust then they deserve my money. Look at binance, they had so many bad things happen, constant hacking attempts and many other things, and in the end they are doing fine. Which is why I believe it is really not a big deal that he was a kid, hell in a crypto type of business where most of us are on the younger side (people under 40 care for crypto, not people over 40) it is even a good sign. However they weren't trustworthy and that has nothing to do with age.


Title: Re: Founders of South African Bitcoin exchange disappear after $3.6 billion 'hack'
Post by: 7788bitcoin on June 24, 2021, 08:42:04 PM
So this makes it the largest loss of bitcoin under such circumstances when you consider the contemporary value of the coins lost.  The exchange, Africrypt, told investors they were the victim of a hack and not to alert the authorities, you know, cuz that's super legitimate.  Some law firm attempting to investigate have tracked the stolen coins to tumblers and mixers to try and obscure where the stolen bitcoin was going.  I guess it remains to be determined if they were actually hacked or stole the money themselves, but the two founding brothers can't be found.
So another fishy situation where billions worth of Bitcoin is lost and the owners are missing and they are claiming it was a hack. How do they think they can get away with billions of dollars and it looks really fishy and we were not hearing about any major hacks for sometime and now this is a major theft/ hack situation and i really feel bad for the traders who held their coins in their exchange wallet.


Title: Re: Founders of South African Bitcoin exchange disappear after $3.6 billion 'hack'
Post by: just_Alice on June 24, 2021, 08:57:24 PM
Interesting case, I bet no one ever will break this record  :D
Though it is not yet clear who stole the money, I think it is obvious that a number of things here indicate the founders probably took the money themselves, especially the fact that they told customers not to report the incident, and that they disappeared. Why disappear?
I think we'll never hear about them again, that is enough money to change your identity, completely cover all tracks and start a new life.


Title: Re: Founders of South African Bitcoin exchange disappear after $3.6 billion 'hack'
Post by: Baofeng on June 24, 2021, 11:17:14 PM
It's a question whether where are the brothers right now?

Did they left South Africa, have plastic surgery, change their names, apply for a new password and have plastic surgery and now living in a third world country? hehehe.

Or will the victims hire a private investigators since the police can't do anything, or even a blockchain analysis to track where the coins are?


Title: Re: Founders of South African Bitcoin exchange disappear after $3.6 billion 'hack'
Post by: arwin100 on June 24, 2021, 11:23:47 PM
Hard to conclude at this point, probably more of an exit scam, this is clearly a Ponzi scheme, and maybe just disguise to be a Bitcoin exchange to look legit to their investors. Unfortunately, they have fallen for the trap and the brothers disappear at this point.

So I don't know what will be the next course of actions for those who have victimised by the scams, until the bothers is found (dead or alive).
No matter what happens, it will still be the same. They still have stolen money from the people and I don't think that someone has stolen from them because it's pretty coincidental that they have disappeared when the money was stolen, this smells strongly of inside job.

This most likely an inside job since how could the founder disappear if he didn't do any anomaly? For his disappearance this confirm that he is primary involve on those rob out  so its really good for authorities to find him to know the real answer about the hacking issue unto them. I really believe that this is planned so provably they flee already and go overseas so that the victims will get a hard time to sue them on court.


Title: Re: Founders of South African Bitcoin exchange disappear after $3.6 billion 'hack'
Post by: TimeTeller on June 24, 2021, 11:24:13 PM
Interesting case, I bet no one ever will break this record  :D
Though it is not yet clear who stole the money, I think it is obvious that a number of things here indicate the founders probably took the money themselves, especially the fact that they told customers not to report the incident, and that they disappeared. Why disappear?
I think we'll never hear about them again, that is enough money to change your identity, completely cover all tracks and start a new life.

An inside job and a well-planned one. Why would they disappear if they are not guilty and if it is a real 'hack'?
They can cooperate with the authorities if the hack is real.
Sadly, another bad news for seemingly scam exit of a crypto exchange.
Another reminder that we should not store our coins to an exchange. Better store it on our own wallet.
This is one of the reasons why crypto is being tagged as scam by noncrypto users, because of incident like this.


Title: Re: Founders of South African Bitcoin exchange disappear after $3.6 billion 'hack'
Post by: dunfida on June 24, 2021, 11:48:53 PM
Why the founder have to disappear if he and his exchange are innocent! such a big hack has occurred and he just disappear into tin air, this is clearly an inside job and the actions of the founder looks very suspicious, and to top it all he instructed the victims not to alert the the authorities, who does that! joke of the century, i can't believe they go with such silly request,  another lesson learned, not your keys not your money saying. :-\
between such a young guy in control of such huge amount of money, he his definitely bound to be tempted, the authority should fish him out ASAP.
I believe it is probably for their safety when people know the word of the news don't think people will just stay and keep silent of they knew their money was gone after getting hacked. I think there's someone who's powerful in politics is protecting them that's why they have to disappear but the question is who? And the recent hack event should have a follow-up investigation instead of letting them run away.

This case looks like a covert plan for someone to eventually going to show up. In any case the only problem people look here is how these young people owning or controlling an exchange on their own? Fresh as new as a kid when suddenly dazzled by money would eventually change them and that's the problem that's why they really need a guidance from someone who had experiences in terms of handling their own money.


Title: Re: Founders of South African Bitcoin exchange disappear after $3.6 billion 'hack'
Post by: Sithara007 on June 25, 2021, 04:00:22 AM
It's a question whether where are the brothers right now?

Did they left South Africa, have plastic surgery, change their names, apply for a new password and have plastic surgery and now living in a third world country? hehehe.

Or will the victims hire a private investigators since the police can't do anything, or even a blockchain analysis to track where the coins are?

There was a similar incident a few years back in India.

https://www.theweek.in/news/india/2019/08/31/kingpin-of-485-crore-kerala-bitcoin-scam-murdered-in-dehradun.html

Back then, one of the exchange owner tried to double cross the co-owners, by claiming that the coins were hacked. His friends found out that he was lying and they tortured him to reveal what he did with the coins. The guy died during interrogation and the coins are all gone now. The co-owners are rotting in jail, with a prison sentence of 14 years slapped on each of them.

And what you have posted is not very easy to do. They may be able to travel to another country which doesn't have an extradition treaty with South Africa. But it is near impossible to hide their real identities. Eventually one of those bad guys who lost his money in Africrypt is going to track them down. Then it is going to be fun.


Title: Re: Founders of South African Bitcoin exchange disappear after $3.6 billion 'hack'
Post by: Snappycoco on June 25, 2021, 04:17:21 AM
That's the problem with centralised exchange. Once the founders is tempted to steal the money they have in their platform, they could run away with it and leave no trace. History really repeats itself. I just wish binance wouldn't do same thing with this. Lol.


Title: Re: Founders of South African Bitcoin exchange disappear after $3.6 billion 'hack'
Post by: dmamigo on June 25, 2021, 09:17:01 AM
That's the problem with centralised exchange. Once the founders is tempted to steal the money they have in their platform, they could run away with it and leave no trace. History really repeats itself. I just wish binance wouldn't do same thing with this. Lol.

I heard and then read on the internet it was an investment platform that fled with $3.6 billion of Bitcoin but here I see you guys are discussing about an exchange that I doubt.
People should not store cryptos on exchanges or wallets where the crypto owner does not hold total control of them.

Investors should not fall for these kinds of investment programs nowadays when so many scams are coming up frequently. Rather staking can be a good option where you will have complete control.

Binance is now so big with their own coin, I am doubtful of what you said about them running away. Also, they earn from us when we trade or perform activities to make money, so I believe they will not run away still I hope they don't because this is a very rough world.


Title: Re: Founders of South African Bitcoin exchange disappear after $3.6 billion 'hack'
Post by: AicecreaME on June 25, 2021, 11:19:55 AM
So this makes it the largest loss of bitcoin under such circumstances when you consider the contemporary value of the coins lost.  The exchange, Africrypt, told investors they were the victim of a hack and not to alert the authorities, you know, cuz that's super legitimate.  Some law firm attempting to investigate have tracked the stolen coins to tumblers and mixers to try and obscure where the stolen bitcoin was going.  I guess it remains to be determined if they were actually hacked or stole the money themselves, but the two founding brothers can't be found.

From Endgadget:

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Cryptocurrency investors in South Africa may have lost nearly $3.6 billion in Bitcoin following the disappearance of two brothers associated with one of the country’s largest cryptocurrency exchanges. According to Bloomberg, a law firm in Cape Town says it can’t locate Ameer and Raees Cajee, the founders of Africrypt. In April, the exchange told its investors it was the victim of a hack and asked them not to report the incident to the authorities on account it would “slow down” the process of recovering their missing money.

Some of those involved in the exchange hired Hanekom Attorneys, the law firm that said it couldn’t find the two brothers, to investigate the incident. It found that someone had withdrawn Africrypt’s pooled funds from the local accounts and client wallets where the coins were stored originally and put them through tumblers and mixers, making it difficult (though not impossible) to trace the money. “Africrypt employees lost access to the back-end platforms seven days before the alleged hack,” the law firm told Bloomberg. The outlet attempted to call both Cajee brothers multiple times only to get their voicemail each time.

Complicating any recovery attempt is that South Africa’s Finance Sector Conduct Authority can’t launch a formal investigation into the incident because cryptocurrency isn’t legally considered a financial product in the country. If no one can recover the money, it will go down as the largest cryptocurrency loss in history, easily overshadowing the approximately $200 million CAD that disappeared when the founder of Canada’s QuadrigaCX exchange died while travelling in India.

Like what other people think, I also see this as an insider job. The timing of disappearance of the founders of the exchange after the hacking incident looks very suspiscious to me. It doesn't look like it is just a coincidence. I think it is planned. A well-executed escape after stealing all the money of its users. Certainly, its users must be regretting big time that they opted to store their funds in an exchange. A platform that doesn't allow you to have the full autonomy over your money is really risky when it comes to provided security.

To add, I think its really risky to let a teenager, not yet of legal age to handle a billion-worth business. It's nice that a teenager has a mindset of being business-oriented, however, they should have at least mentored him until he turned 18 years of age. I just hope that they would recover the funds though because it's a hefty amount.



Title: Re: Founders of South African Bitcoin exchange disappear after $3.6 billion 'hack'
Post by: (o)(o)ilikeboobs(o)(o) on June 25, 2021, 03:45:13 PM
Once again crypto traders must review their trading behavior. I call this CEO's disappearance with money a scam. It is now important to research an exchange's reputation before trading. Cryptocurrency-related loss events are becoming alarming lately.
AMM can be the next stop for traders.


Title: Re: Founders of South African Bitcoin exchange disappear after $3.6 billion 'hack'
Post by: skarais on June 25, 2021, 04:26:15 PM
It's strange why the big investor there are brave enough to hold most of their investment in this platform when I'm sure they know the risk of their investment.  Does the platform offer huge profit commonly known as ponzi scheme so that people are interested in depositing their asset there?

Having said that, the people whose money make up the $3.6 billion dollars prolly invested more than they can afford to lose,
Maybe that amount is the accumulation of the total price by the time bitcoin hit ATH at $65K. But now the number has dropped so that the amount of losses experienced by investors is no longer relevant today if bitcoin are still stored.




Title: Re: Founders of South African Bitcoin exchange disappear after $3.6 billion 'hack'
Post by: Silberman on June 25, 2021, 05:25:53 PM
So this makes it the largest loss of bitcoin under such circumstances when you consider the contemporary value of the coins lost.  The exchange, Africrypt, told investors they were the victim of a hack and not to alert the authorities, you know, cuz that's super legitimate.  Some law firm attempting to investigate have tracked the stolen coins to tumblers and mixers to try and obscure where the stolen bitcoin was going.  I guess it remains to be determined if they were actually hacked or stole the money themselves, but the two founding brothers can't be found.
Well, so we get to see yet another ‘hack’, unless it can be demonstrated this was the case I always think of an inside job before anything else as it is always the explanation that makes the most sense, and when we add that they are missing there are only two possibilities, they either were victim themselves or they are the ones that stole the money and could not resist to get it and now are living in a country where they cannot be extradited and they can live the rest of their lives in luxury.


Title: Re: Founders of South African Bitcoin exchange disappear after $3.6 billion 'hack'
Post by: evilgreed on June 25, 2021, 05:36:51 PM
               The fact that the founders themselves were telling the customers to not inform the authorities about the "hack" that has happened already placed a target sign on them. They had all the time in the world to prepare for such a feat but became impatient and did the scam half-assed. Lol. Now they have to live the rest of their lives in hudung because of this mistake. Even if they had planned things thoroughly, releasing such a statement was just ridiculously dumb. Literally no one would ever say such things if the "hack" that they were using as an excuse were really true. I hope they get caught and rot in jail for scamming people who did a lot of effort to gain capitals for investing in thus industry.


Title: Re: Founders of South African Bitcoin exchange disappear after $3.6 billion 'hack'
Post by: Review Master on June 25, 2021, 05:59:06 PM
TBH, it's more likely the insider job to do so. Just by looking at current market condition, those two founders on the run to liquidity those bitcoin as btc market is on correction mode. Also, it’s sure to be the biggest scam in crypto history. While other countries are busy to classify bitcoin as a legal tender, this type of scam will give opportunity to non-bitcoiners for making shit questions about crypto. But it's great for those to learn from this things or ponzi scheme so that they won't do that again in future.


Title: Re: Founders of South African Bitcoin exchange disappear after $3.6 billion 'hack'
Post by: RealMalatesta on June 25, 2021, 07:04:11 PM
The title is misleading, because this site is not an exchange.. but rather one of those scam investment companies that are using Bitcoin (Crypto currencies) as the investment option. This AfriCrypt fraud has been compared to the Mirror Trading International scam. (Ponzi Scheme) ==> Africrypt boasted returns of 2-11% a month  ::)

Go read more at https://www.moneyweb.co.za/moneyweb-crypto/africrypt-hack-of-nearly-r54bn-dwarfs-mirror-trading/ and also see that Raees and Ameer Cajee – reportedly disappeared to the UK (A country from where they can be extradited to South Africa)  ;)
That's less worrisome. I know it is still the same amount of money and it is still scam so I know most people will feel the same but I really do not. If you believe that someone can give you guaranteed income outside of legally bounded places (banks and so forth) then you are wrong and it is normal that you get scammed, not fair of course but it is still wrong.

There is a saying in my nation that goes "scammers who scam only other scammers are not scammers" or something like that (translation could be bad) and that is why I do not feel that bad about it. There is no legal organization that gives guaranteed income, all the places that you put your money into are the places that will end up not giving you the real returns and will scam you eventually. They are basically a ponzi scheme and that is how it will continue for a long time as well, there is no way around it.


Title: Re: Founders of South African Bitcoin exchange disappear after $3.6 billion 'hack'
Post by: uneng on June 25, 2021, 07:34:39 PM
The title is misleading, because this site is not an exchange.. but rather one of those scam investment companies that are using Bitcoin (Crypto currencies) as the investment option. This AfriCrypt fraud has been compared to the Mirror Trading International scam. (Ponzi Scheme) ==> Africrypt boasted returns of 2-11% a month  ::)

Go read more at https://www.moneyweb.co.za/moneyweb-crypto/africrypt-hack-of-nearly-r54bn-dwarfs-mirror-trading/ and also see that Raees and Ameer Cajee – reportedly disappeared to the UK (A country from where they can be extradited to South Africa)  ;)
That's less worrisome. I know it is still the same amount of money and it is still scam so I know most people will feel the same but I really do not. If you believe that someone can give you guaranteed income outside of legally bounded places (banks and so forth) then you are wrong and it is normal that you get scammed, not fair of course but it is still wrong.

There is a saying in my nation that goes "scammers who scam only other scammers are not scammers" or something like that (translation could be bad) and that is why I do not feel that bad about it. There is no legal organization that gives guaranteed income, all the places that you put your money into are the places that will end up not giving you the real returns and will scam you eventually. They are basically a ponzi scheme and that is how it will continue for a long time as well, there is no way around it.
How can you say people who invested on their platform were scammers? The exchange promised returns through trading bots which could generate that profit percentage monthly and uneducated investors believed that could be real. Maybe they were just naive or crypto newbies, but not scammers. I hope the police finds the two brothers and make them reveal the whole scheme, reaching to every thieves involved on this action, so the stolen money can be recovered and returned to the victims.


Title: Re: Founders of South African Bitcoin exchange disappear after $3.6 billion 'hack'
Post by: boyptc on June 25, 2021, 08:17:16 PM
But it's great for those to learn from this things or ponzi scheme so that they won't do that again in future.
Sadly.

They will continue and will just change the name of it with a quite different style. And those people that have thought that they can make money from the new scheme, they'll continue to invest.

Including those that never learn from their experiences of being scammed by these ponzis.


Title: Re: Founders of South African Bitcoin exchange disappear after $3.6 billion 'hack'
Post by: macson on June 25, 2021, 08:21:19 PM
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Here is an archived page:
https://archive.vn/8AoqX

Sounds more like the usual ponzi scheme, probably those 3.6 billions (calculated at max peak price) are more likely sums people though they have in their accounts than actual money invested.

Anyhow, sorry to say it, but the ones investing millions with a company run by a 20 and a 17 year old were looking for a way to lose money.
looks like these exchange investors didn't do their research first....entrusting someone under the age of 20 to manage money is stupid.  both of them are not yet "mature in thinking" so when they find a problem they will immediately panic.  they definitely won't be able to hide far away but those who are deceived have already lost time and money.


Title: Re: Founders of South African Bitcoin exchange disappear after $3.6 billion 'hack'
Post by: Gyfts on June 25, 2021, 08:23:17 PM
It sounds like an insider job. The excuse given by the promoters, that informing the authorities would slow down the recovery of the stolen funds sounds just ridiculous. This was just a delaying tactic, so that these criminals could move the funds to some off shore tax haven. Anyway, now the users can blame themselves. One of the golden rules of investing in cryptocurrency is "not your keys, not your coins". These people did the mistake by keeping their coins in an exchange wallet. Now all they can do is to regret.

Of course it was an inside job. South Africa is a lawless country with rampant crime and government corruption. The scams run nonstop. Their police force and legal system is so utterly worthless, these people could admit they ran with the money and pay some small fine, and keep the rest.

Never, ever, trust an exchange, reason XXXXX.


Title: Re: Founders of South African Bitcoin exchange disappear after $3.6 billion 'hack'
Post by: Sithara007 on June 26, 2021, 03:30:07 AM
Of course it was an inside job. South Africa is a lawless country with rampant crime and government corruption. The scams run nonstop. Their police force and legal system is so utterly worthless, these people could admit they ran with the money and pay some small fine, and keep the rest.

Never, ever, trust an exchange, reason XXXXX.

I don't think that the South African law enforcement agencies have the resources to take action, even if they want to. As already posted here, the hack was kept secret for many weeks, which allowed the promoters to vanish. We can't really blame the authorities, since it was not reported to them immediately. The investors chose to trust the Cajee brothers and hid the news of the robbery from everyone. Once the coins are mixed and then cashed out, it is almost impossible to trace them. And in this case, that phase seems to have passed unfortunately.


Title: Re: Founders of South African Bitcoin exchange disappear after $3.6 billion 'hack'
Post by: oHnK on June 26, 2021, 03:40:06 PM
I consider this case quite dubious if there really was a hack on their exchange. Why don't they report it to the authorities? If they were honest, they wouldn't have to run and disappear. A leader of a big business that has a market of 3.6 B should be wise if they are honest people. Do not report to the authorities quickly, run and disappear. If it really happened, big investors would track it down no matter what. It's purely them who are taking the money away like the previous turkish crypto boss.


Title: Re: Founders of South African Bitcoin exchange disappear after $3.6 billion 'hack'
Post by: wiss19 on June 26, 2021, 07:12:53 PM
So this makes it the largest loss of bitcoin under such circumstances when you consider the contemporary value of the coins lost.  The exchange, Africrypt, told investors they were the victim of a hack and not to alert the authorities, you know, cuz that's super legitimate.  Some law firm attempting to investigate have tracked the stolen coins to tumblers and mixers to try and obscure where the stolen bitcoin was going.  I guess it remains to be determined if they were actually hacked or stole the money themselves, but the two founding brothers can't be found.
Lol, their first excuse that users/investors shouldn’t alert authorities about the missing money already shows that they are the ones behind it. They are just trying to make it seem like they are not the ones, but it’s clear enough that they are the ones. From the story I have read here it is very clear that they are the ones that pulled off this trick. And moreover why did they run away? If they were not guilty, why are they running.

And I also wonder why their employees lost access to their back-end platform seven days before the hack occurred. That goes to show that it is an inside job, they are the ones that did that. Since crypto is not legally considered a financial product in South Africa, I wonder how the investors will go about this.


Title: Re: Founders of South African Bitcoin exchange disappear after $3.6 billion 'hack'
Post by: ene1980 on June 26, 2021, 08:20:08 PM
Of course it was an inside job. South Africa is a lawless country with rampant crime and government corruption. The scams run nonstop. Their police force and legal system is so utterly worthless, these people could admit they ran with the money and pay some small fine, and keep the rest.
How long they will be running away from the law, the exchange will be having money from citizens of other countries and if they are caught i am sure they will be prosecuted for fraud if they really ran away with the money.

Do you seriously think that they will get away with a small fine for $3.6 billion and will be allowed to keep the rest, i really do not think so  :-\.


Title: Re: Founders of South African Bitcoin exchange disappear after $3.6 billion 'hack'
Post by: Sithara007 on June 27, 2021, 03:30:15 AM
I heard that the two promoters (Raees Cajee and Ameer Cajee) have surfaced in England. Is this news confirmed? If that is the case, then it may take many years (if not decades) to get them back to South Africa. The Extradition laws in England are mired in bureaucracy and red tape. Even if the court orders extradition, the criminals can file multiple appeals and they can further delay the proceedings by filing an asylum request (this was done by the Indian criminal Vijay Mallya, who fled to England in 2016). England has a very relaxed attitude for financial criminals from the other countries (in fact London is regarded as the ultimate refuge for financial criminals), and it will be very difficult for the South Africans to get the money back now.


Title: Re: Founders of South African Bitcoin exchange disappear after $3.6 billion 'hack'
Post by: jaysabi on June 27, 2021, 05:38:21 AM
So this makes it the largest loss of bitcoin under such circumstances when you consider the contemporary value of the coins lost.  The exchange, Africrypt, told investors they were the victim of a hack and not to alert the authorities, you know, cuz that's super legitimate.  Some law firm attempting to investigate have tracked the stolen coins to tumblers and mixers to try and obscure where the stolen bitcoin was going.  I guess it remains to be determined if they were actually hacked or stole the money themselves, but the two founding brothers can't be found.
So another fishy situation where billions worth of Bitcoin is lost and the owners are missing and they are claiming it was a hack. How do they think they can get away with billions of dollars and it looks really fishy and we were not hearing about any major hacks for sometime and now this is a major theft/ hack situation and i really feel bad for the traders who held their coins in their exchange wallet.

I suppose it's possible that being a couple of young kids, they designed the exchange so poorly from a security standpoint that someone was able to gain access and steal the coins.  The disappearance then would be going into hiding I suppose because there are $3.6 billion worth of people pissed off at you.  But as others have pointed out, with the touting of unrealistically high returns, this does look more like a ponzi scheme.


Title: Re: Founders of South African Bitcoin exchange disappear after $3.6 billion 'hack'
Post by: Vishnu.Reang on June 27, 2021, 01:17:43 PM
Because it was probably an inside job as a lot of the users in this forum is speculating. Also, this smells like a big conspiracy because I have read in the other thread about this "exit scam" that a bank was speculated to be also part of this scam.

LOL.. you still have doubt about it? It has been confirmed that the two promoters (Ameer and Raees Cajee) have now landed in the United Kingdom. They made careful planning about the whole episode. They fooled the investors in to believing that the coins could be recovered if they don't inform the police immediately. Using this opportunity, the two promoters fled South Africa and landed in a country which is regarded as a paradise for financial scammers. The investors need to be blamed here. If they had informed the police, then these two would have been in prison now.


Title: Re: Founders of South African Bitcoin exchange disappear after $3.6 billion 'hack'
Post by: Koro-Sensei on June 27, 2021, 05:24:42 PM
This is probably the main reason why you should not trust centralised exchange and switch to decentralised one. Another victims of fraudsters who's probably be using others hard earned money for their own interests. I wish the people of South africa that they could still recover the hacked amount and punish those who did nothing but worsen the situation of poor.


Title: Re: Founders of South African Bitcoin exchange disappear after $3.6 billion 'hack'
Post by: barbara44 on June 27, 2021, 09:37:10 PM
Centralized exchange and the problem of theft and scam is nothing new. I have always advocated for centralized exchanges over decentralized ones because they are easy to use and cheaper to trade but I guess now it is time that people actually consider using decentralized exchanges. These scams are inevitable because some might genuinely get hacked and some might feel they have too much in their wallet to operate legally now.

After reading some comments I realize that it was more a ponzi than an exchange.

There is a saying in my nation that goes "scammers who scam only other scammers are not scammers" or something like that
Everyone is a scammer in the sense that we at some point have made mistakes. I cannot find a person in my life who has never made a mistake and does that entitle everyone to scam everyone else? I don't think so. It's quite off-topic to say but anyone who scams someone else is a scammer regardless of who and why they scam.


Title: Re: Founders of South African Bitcoin exchange disappear after $3.6 billion 'hack'
Post by: Xinarae* on June 28, 2021, 03:13:14 AM
I think the founder of the south african bitcoin exchange disappeared after the $ 3.6 billion hack but it's not fair for people to believe. Decentralization will not affect anything decentralized people will be able to use whatever they want if something is hacked, it is possible to recover it bitcoin is a cryptocurrency digital asset that acts as a design exchange medium that uses to control the creation and management of cryptography rather than relying on central authorities there is no legal action here.


Title: Re: Founders of South African Bitcoin exchange disappear after $3.6 billion 'hack'
Post by: Sithara007 on June 28, 2021, 03:30:31 AM
I didn't know about them landing in the UK, wouldn't they be extradited though because I think that UK doesn't have any laws that prevents extradition on a criminal. That convincing that they shouldn't report to the police was a big risk for them that paid off sadly. Hopefully they will answer to their crimes.

Here is the latest news:

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-57582805

The two brothers have claims that they have received death threats from investors in South Africa. This is classic style of how financial criminals work. If they can claim that their lives are under threat in South Africa, then the British courts will never deport them back to SA. And the British system takes the case favorably, unless some of the British nationals have lost money. Since it is the South Africans who have been scammed, the British government is going to tolerate their presence in UK. In the past, dozens of financial criminals have migrated to the UK from countries such as India, Greece and Russia, to take advantage of the "open doors" policy meted out by the British government.


Title: Re: Founders of South African Bitcoin exchange disappear after $3.6 billion 'hack'
Post by: zanezane on June 28, 2021, 03:48:49 AM
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Here is the latest news:

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-57582805

The two brothers have claims that they have received death threats from investors in South Africa. This is classic style of how financial criminals work. If they can claim that their lives are under threat in South Africa, then the British courts will never deport them back to SA. And the British system takes the case favorably, unless some of the British nationals have lost money. Since it is the South Africans who have been scammed, the British government is going to tolerate their presence in UK. In the past, dozens of financial criminals have migrated to the UK from countries such as India, Greece and Russia, to take advantage of the "open doors" policy meted out by the British government.
That's kind of a racist or exclusionist of a law if I say so myself, I think that they still should arrest them though because these are financial criminals and that the threats should be investigated because they might be fabricated so the government can't extradite them. This is probably another one of their con, they might go to another place again if UK doesn't do anything about these two criminals.


Title: Re: Founders of South African Bitcoin exchange disappear after $3.6 billion 'hack'
Post by: TastyChillySauce00 on June 28, 2021, 05:09:15 AM
It's really time for p2p and decentralized exchange to shine seriously, until how many times people gonna get scammed again and again meanwhile if there's a trustless platform for p2p where people could trade to each other without any struggle to trust each other while also making things convenient, it should become a preferred method. These centralized exchange scamming and their owner that could get away with billions of dollar honestly is really tiring to hear.
sad thing though people still gonna prefer to use cex despite all these cases.


Title: Re: Founders of South African Bitcoin exchange disappear after $3.6 billion 'hack'
Post by: Vishnu.Reang on June 28, 2021, 02:11:58 PM
It's really time for p2p and decentralized exchange to shine seriously, until how many times people gonna get scammed again and again meanwhile if there's a trustless platform for p2p where people could trade to each other without any struggle to trust each other while also making things convenient, it should become a preferred method. These centralized exchange scamming and their owner that could get away with billions of dollar honestly is really tiring to hear. sad thing though people still gonna prefer to use cex despite all these cases.

If the trade volumes and liquidity in Dex sites are as good as the Cex platforms such as Binance and Huobi, then the users will obviously prefer the Dex sites. But from my experience, I would say that it is not very profitable to deal in these dex platforms. While I was dealing in bounty tokens, the exchange rates for the same token in Dex platforms were lower by 50% or more, when compared to the rates in Cex exchanges. On top of that, for the low volume tokens, it is very difficult to liquidate large volumes at once using Dex.


Title: Re: Founders of South African Bitcoin exchange disappear after $3.6 billion 'hack'
Post by: Silberman on June 28, 2021, 06:36:27 PM
               The fact that the founders themselves were telling the customers to not inform the authorities about the "hack" that has happened already placed a target sign on them. They had all the time in the world to prepare for such a feat but became impatient and did the scam half-assed. Lol. Now they have to live the rest of their lives in hudung because of this mistake. Even if they had planned things thoroughly, releasing such a statement was just ridiculously dumb. Literally no one would ever say such things if the "hack" that they were using as an excuse were really true. I hope they get caught and rot in jail for scamming people who did a lot of effort to gain capitals for investing in thus industry.
I suppose there is little doubt then that this was in fact an inside job as many of us thought from the very beginning, but even if that is the case catching people like that is not as easy, there are countries which do not recognize cryptocurrencies as assets so it is fair to wonder if in those countries what they did can be considered crimes or not, also those people could just move to a country which has no international agreements of extradition and roam the streets as free people without the danger of being arrested.


Title: Re: Founders of South African Bitcoin exchange disappear after $3.6 billion 'hack'
Post by: sana54210 on June 28, 2021, 07:08:32 PM
Here is the latest news:

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-57582805

The two brothers have claims that they have received death threats from investors in South Africa. This is classic style of how financial criminals work. If they can claim that their lives are under threat in South Africa, then the British courts will never deport them back to SA. And the British system takes the case favorably, unless some of the British nationals have lost money. Since it is the South Africans who have been scammed, the British government is going to tolerate their presence in UK. In the past, dozens of financial criminals have migrated to the UK from countries such as India, Greece and Russia, to take advantage of the "open doors" policy meted out by the British government.
That's kind of a racist or exclusionist of a law if I say so myself, I think that they still should arrest them though because these are financial criminals and that the threats should be investigated because they might be fabricated so the government can't extradite them. This is probably another one of their con, they might go to another place again if UK doesn't do anything about these two criminals.
I believe that is not racist at all. Why? Because British government only cares about money, and money of others, so if you steal money from Greek people and bring it to UK? That is a good thing for UK, if you steal from South Africans and bring it to UK? That is a good thing for UK, if you steal from British and take it somewhere else? That is bad for UK.

So long story short UK do not care if you are a bad person or a good person, they only care about you being fair or not and as long as you are fair that means you are going to be fine. I do not really care if you are African or British, if someone stole 3+ billion dollars worth of money and then came to my nation? I would be thrilled and not look to jail them or send them back, I would make them put that money in one of my nations bank and tell them to live happily ever after, they technically do not own the money itself since it will be in the bank, and they would just slowly spend it and die. That is how nations grow big, you need a lot of people who are super rich.


Title: Re: Founders of South African Bitcoin exchange disappear after $3.6 billion 'hack'
Post by: bryant.coleman on June 29, 2021, 07:47:05 AM
I believe that is not racist at all. Why? Because British government only cares about money, and money of others, so if you steal money from Greek people and bring it to UK? That is a good thing for UK, if you steal from South Africans and bring it to UK? That is a good thing for UK, if you steal from British and take it somewhere else? That is bad for UK.

So long story short UK do not care if you are a bad person or a good person, they only care about you being fair or not and as long as you are fair that means you are going to be fine. I do not really care if you are African or British, if someone stole 3+ billion dollars worth of money and then came to my nation? I would be thrilled and not look to jail them or send them back, I would make them put that money in one of my nations bank and tell them to live happily ever after, they technically do not own the money itself since it will be in the bank, and they would just slowly spend it and die. That is how nations grow big, you need a lot of people who are super rich.

I completely agree with this post. If the UK doesn't allow them entry, then some other country will offer them residence. There are dozens of small island nations, where these two will be more than welcome. All that matters now is money. If you have money with you, then nothing else really matter. And that is the reason why Mohammed bin Salman of Saudi Arabia is held in high regard by everyone, while Kim Jong Un is derided as a dictator. In reality, both of them are equally evil. But the difference is that Mohammed bin Salman has hundreds of billions of USD worth of funds at his disposal, while Kim Jong Un doesn't have any such luxury.


Title: Re: Founders of South African Bitcoin exchange disappear after $3.6 billion 'hack'
Post by: Reatim on June 29, 2021, 08:13:50 AM
So this makes it the largest loss of bitcoin under such circumstances when you consider the contemporary value of the coins lost.  The exchange, Africrypt, told investors they were the victim of a hack and not to alert the authorities, you know, cuz that's super legitimate.  Some law firm attempting to investigate have tracked the stolen coins to tumblers and mixers to try and obscure where the stolen bitcoin was going.  I guess it remains to be determined if they were actually hacked or stole the money themselves, but the two founding brothers can't be found.


with 3 billion dollars ? you can completely change your personality forever and your whole generation will live forever in luxurious life till the end of the world.

or there is another scenario that they were abducted and killed by the groups that associate this hacking .

but one thing is for sure , this case will be forever gone like what Mt.gox case.


Title: Re: Founders of South African Bitcoin exchange disappear after $3.6 billion 'hack'
Post by: ven7net on June 29, 2021, 01:25:37 PM
So this makes it the largest loss of bitcoin under such circumstances when you consider the contemporary value of the coins lost.  The exchange, Africrypt, told investors they were the victim of a hack and not to alert the authorities, you know, cuz that's super legitimate.  Some law firm attempting to investigate have tracked the stolen coins to tumblers and mixers to try and obscure where the stolen bitcoin was going.  I guess it remains to be determined if they were actually hacked or stole the money themselves, but the two founding brothers can't be found.

From Endgadget:

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Cryptocurrency investors in South Africa may have lost nearly $3.6 billion in Bitcoin following the disappearance of two brothers associated with one of the country’s largest cryptocurrency exchanges. According to Bloomberg, a law firm in Cape Town says it can’t locate Ameer and Raees Cajee, the founders of Africrypt. In April, the exchange told its investors it was the victim of a hack and asked them not to report the incident to the authorities on account it would “slow down” the process of recovering their missing money.

Some of those involved in the exchange hired Hanekom Attorneys, the law firm that said it couldn’t find the two brothers, to investigate the incident. It found that someone had withdrawn Africrypt’s pooled funds from the local accounts and client wallets where the coins were stored originally and put them through tumblers and mixers, making it difficult (though not impossible) to trace the money. “Africrypt employees lost access to the back-end platforms seven days before the alleged hack,” the law firm told Bloomberg. The outlet attempted to call both Cajee brothers multiple times only to get their voicemail each time.

Complicating any recovery attempt is that South Africa’s Finance Sector Conduct Authority can’t launch a formal investigation into the incident because cryptocurrency isn’t legally considered a financial product in the country. If no one can recover the money, it will go down as the largest cryptocurrency loss in history, easily overshadowing the approximately $200 million CAD that disappeared when the founder of Canada’s QuadrigaCX exchange died while travelling in India.

While this is bad news for the crypto industry, it is nothing unusual about it. Is this the first time this is happening? Not! Well, since such cases have already happened, it means they will continue, it's another matter that there are no tools to solve this problem. Of course, all this is related to anonymity, etc., but the fact of the matter is that if you want to have protection and a guarantee, then you need to choose sites with work experience and proven organizers, and then this also does not 100% grant you the preservation of your funds. Moreover, we are talking about BTC, which means that someone just decided to withdraw these funds for themselves. We are unlikely to find out who did this, but we always need to know and remember that this can happen with any crypto exchange.


Title: Re: Founders of South African Bitcoin exchange disappear after $3.6 billion 'hack'
Post by: Vishnu.Reang on June 29, 2021, 02:02:43 PM
There seems to be a lot of confusion related to the Africrypt robbery. The investors claim that coins amounting to $4 billion were stolen, but Raess Cajee (one of the promoters) issued a statement claiming that there has been a hack and they lost only around $5 million worth of assets. The Africrypt users are unable to access their account or withdraw their funds. And the promoters have fled to the United Kingdom. My question is, if the promoters are correct, then why they fled from South Africa? The excuse that they received death threats is not that believable.


Title: Re: Founders of South African Bitcoin exchange disappear after $3.6 billion 'hack'
Post by: perfect999 on June 29, 2021, 08:22:54 PM
If the UK doesn't allow them entry, then some other country will offer them residence. There are dozens of small island nations, where these two will be more than welcome. All that matters now is money. If you have money with you, then nothing else really matter. And that is the reason why Mohammed bin Salman of Saudi Arabia is held in high regard by everyone, while Kim Jong Un is derided as a dictator. In reality, both of them are equally evil. But the difference is that Mohammed bin Salman has hundreds of billions of USD worth of funds at his disposal, while Kim Jong Un doesn't have any such luxury.
In that specific case that is power as well, not just power of being leader of a nation because both of them have that yet Kim is hated (rightfully) whereas Saudi is "tolerated" (wrongfully) because Sauidis are people who have a ton of oil, give it to high level nations like UK or USA or whoever wants it, then take their money and use it to buy guns from USA to be friends with them, who are they even fighting? They bought tens of billions of dollars worth of military stuff (not just guns, even tanks and war planes etc) and they are not even fighting anyone with those, or at least not requiring those (you can go to Yemen with a bat and still beat them).

So long story short it is not just about money, it is about power, which country you own and what type of deal you can matters a lot. Like NK could start doing trade TODAY and suddenly will be loved a ton, by the governments of course because we all know they are all the same.


Title: Re: Founders of South African Bitcoin exchange disappear after $3.6 billion 'hack'
Post by: Sithara007 on June 30, 2021, 04:00:17 AM
Gauteng South High Court has passed a liquidation order against the two promoters (Ameer and Raees Cajee). It is confirmed that these two are in the UK right now, and they are being represented by their lawyer John Oosthuizen. Darren Hanekom is representing the opposite side. Meanwhile, Zakira Cajee (cousin of the Cajee brothers, and former director of Africrypt) yesterday issued a statement. She claimed that the entire episode has taken a "huge emotional toll" on the family and they should be left alone now.


Title: Re: Founders of South African Bitcoin exchange disappear after $3.6 billion 'hack'
Post by: Flexystar on June 30, 2021, 06:22:20 AM
The title is misleading, because this site is not an exchange.. but rather one of those scam investment companies that are using Bitcoin (Crypto currencies) as the investment option. This AfriCrypt fraud has been compared to the Mirror Trading International scam. (Ponzi Scheme) ==> Africrypt boasted returns of 2-11% a month  ::)

Go read more at https://www.moneyweb.co.za/moneyweb-crypto/africrypt-hack-of-nearly-r54bn-dwarfs-mirror-trading/ and also see that Raees and Ameer Cajee – reportedly disappeared to the UK (A country from where they can be extradited to South Africa)  ;)



Lolz. That changes the whole discussion in the thread. If this is Ponzi then no one can blame the crypto currencies. Since the start we know very crypto is full of Ponzi. If this is the case then those two dudes are not the clever heroes and neither they are being used for the benefit of someone whose far more powerful. Definitely they had the intentions like that since first day.


Title: Re: Founders of South African Bitcoin exchange disappear after $3.6 billion 'hack'
Post by: Kyraishi on June 30, 2021, 06:25:32 AM
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In April, the exchange told its investors it was the victim of a hack and asked them not to report the incident to the authorities on account it would “slow down” the process of recovering their missing money.

I LOL'd at this.

If this doesn't ring alarm bells, I don't know what will.

I can definitely relate to the victims here though. I can imagine that a lot of them simply complied with what was asked of them from the exchange founders. When you're a victim of a scam, oftentimes you find yourself paralyzed and unwilling to do anything over the bare minimum.

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I guess it remains to be determined if they were actually hacked or stole the money themselves, but the two founding brothers can't be found.

Clearly this is an exit scam that has been brewing for a while now and has just begun unwinding itself. No one should be storing funds on a centralized exchange for any purpose other than transactional ones.


Title: Re: Founders of South African Bitcoin exchange disappear after $3.6 billion 'hack'
Post by: bocyaj on June 30, 2021, 03:08:26 PM
So this makes it the largest loss of bitcoin under such circumstances when you consider the contemporary value of the coins lost.  The exchange, Africrypt, told investors they were the victim of a hack and not to alert the authorities, you know, cuz that's super legitimate.  Some law firm attempting to investigate have tracked the stolen coins to tumblers and mixers to try and obscure where the stolen bitcoin was going.  I guess it remains to be determined if they were actually hacked or stole the money themselves, but the two founding brothers can't be found.

From Endgadget:

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Cryptocurrency investors in South Africa may have lost nearly $3.6 billion in Bitcoin following the disappearance of two brothers associated with one of the country’s largest cryptocurrency exchanges. According to Bloomberg, a law firm in Cape Town says it can’t locate Ameer and Raees Cajee, the founders of Africrypt. In April, the exchange told its investors it was the victim of a hack and asked them not to report the incident to the authorities on account it would “slow down” the process of recovering their missing money.

Some of those involved in the exchange hired Hanekom Attorneys, the law firm that said it couldn’t find the two brothers, to investigate the incident. It found that someone had withdrawn Africrypt’s pooled funds from the local accounts and client wallets where the coins were stored originally and put them through tumblers and mixers, making it difficult (though not impossible) to trace the money. “Africrypt employees lost access to the back-end platforms seven days before the alleged hack,” the law firm told Bloomberg. The outlet attempted to call both Cajee brothers multiple times only to get their voicemail each time.

Complicating any recovery attempt is that South Africa’s Finance Sector Conduct Authority can’t launch a formal investigation into the incident because cryptocurrency isn’t legally considered a financial product in the country. If no one can recover the money, it will go down as the largest cryptocurrency loss in history, easily overshadowing the approximately $200 million CAD that disappeared when the founder of Canada’s QuadrigaCX exchange died while travelling in India.


It was low now. But same was huge happened during the 2017.We don't know the extract thing happened. Because the team member also made involved in this. Again it's just an assumption and probability. The team should be stable in such manner. Because people all over the world earn money by hard work.


Title: Re: Founders of South African Bitcoin exchange disappear after $3.6 billion 'hack'
Post by: swiftbits on June 30, 2021, 04:17:05 PM
The amount of the hacked bitcoin is still in my question, I can't believe there are many users on their platform.
Investing in an AI trading bot seems skeptical to me. I guess it is either planned since the start, or they were hacked.


Title: Re: Founders of South African Bitcoin exchange disappear after $3.6 billion 'hack'
Post by: jaysabi on June 30, 2021, 04:26:58 PM
The title is misleading, because this site is not an exchange.. but rather one of those scam investment companies that are using Bitcoin (Crypto currencies) as the investment option. This AfriCrypt fraud has been compared to the Mirror Trading International scam. (Ponzi Scheme) ==> Africrypt boasted returns of 2-11% a month  ::)

Go read more at https://www.moneyweb.co.za/moneyweb-crypto/africrypt-hack-of-nearly-r54bn-dwarfs-mirror-trading/ and also see that Raees and Ameer Cajee – reportedly disappeared to the UK (A country from where they can be extradited to South Africa)  ;)



The title of the thread mirrors the title of the article from Endgadget, I just used their reporting. It's possible it was both an exchange and a ponzi scheme, they're not mutually exclusive, and it would still render the title correct.


Title: Re: Founders of South African Bitcoin exchange disappear after $3.6 billion 'hack'
Post by: semobo on June 30, 2021, 04:28:33 PM
There are lot of discussion going about the investment schemes in this exchange, so I am not going to involve in that since we can smell something fishy just from their high return plan but we should never forget that not your keys not your coins so just keep the coins in your wallet itself and the exchanges are here for trading and use it for such purpose alone.


Title: Re: Founders of South African Bitcoin exchange disappear after $3.6 billion 'hack'
Post by: jaysabi on June 30, 2021, 04:48:52 PM
Here is the latest news:

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-57582805

The two brothers have claims that they have received death threats from investors in South Africa. This is classic style of how financial criminals work. If they can claim that their lives are under threat in South Africa, then the British courts will never deport them back to SA. And the British system takes the case favorably, unless some of the British nationals have lost money. Since it is the South Africans who have been scammed, the British government is going to tolerate their presence in UK. In the past, dozens of financial criminals have migrated to the UK from countries such as India, Greece and Russia, to take advantage of the "open doors" policy meted out by the British government.
That's kind of a racist or exclusionist of a law if I say so myself, I think that they still should arrest them though because these are financial criminals and that the threats should be investigated because they might be fabricated so the government can't extradite them. This is probably another one of their con, they might go to another place again if UK doesn't do anything about these two criminals.
I believe that is not racist at all. Why? Because British government only cares about money, and money of others, so if you steal money from Greek people and bring it to UK? That is a good thing for UK, if you steal from South Africans and bring it to UK? That is a good thing for UK, if you steal from British and take it somewhere else? That is bad for UK.

So long story short UK do not care if you are a bad person or a good person, they only care about you being fair or not and as long as you are fair that means you are going to be fine. I do not really care if you are African or British, if someone stole 3+ billion dollars worth of money and then came to my nation? I would be thrilled and not look to jail them or send them back, I would make them put that money in one of my nations bank and tell them to live happily ever after, they technically do not own the money itself since it will be in the bank, and they would just slowly spend it and die. That is how nations grow big, you need a lot of people who are super rich.

This is dumb post and definitely not how it works in the least.  Even the theory that this is how it should work is stupid.  Because the one thing that undermines society the most is arbitrary law.  And you can prove it doesn't work this way because it never happens.  If all someone had to do to keep their stolen money was flee to a different country, you would see this constantly and you don't because it's just not a real thing.  No society wants to keep a bunch of thieves and criminals on the streets, that serves literally nobody.


Title: Re: Founders of South African Bitcoin exchange disappear after $3.6 billion 'hack'
Post by: Silberman on July 01, 2021, 07:17:41 PM
There seems to be a lot of confusion related to the Africrypt robbery. The investors claim that coins amounting to $4 billion were stolen, but Raess Cajee (one of the promoters) issued a statement claiming that there has been a hack and they lost only around $5 million worth of assets. The Africrypt users are unable to access their account or withdraw their funds. And the promoters have fled to the United Kingdom. My question is, if the promoters are correct, then why they fled from South Africa? The excuse that they received death threats is not that believable.
Regardless of the amount being lost, what matters is that there is an important amount of money that has disappeared from the exchange and that the owners disappeared and they are excusing themselves saying they received death threats which as you say it does not make sense, if the amount stolen was so low then they could eventually pay their customers back and turn something that is very negative into something positive showing themselves as honest people that care about their customers, but with this attitude they are showing the complete opposite.


Title: Re: Founders of South African Bitcoin exchange disappear after $3.6 billion 'hack'
Post by: 7788bitcoin on July 01, 2021, 10:48:18 PM
with 3 billion dollars ? you can completely change your personality forever and your whole generation will live forever in luxurious life till the end of the world.
How long they will be running and hiding away from the authorities, if they ever try to spend those money and live a luxurious life they will attract attention and get caught.  :P

or there is another scenario that they were abducted and killed by the groups that associate this hacking .
You can just speculate that they were abducted and killed by the group of hackers, why would the hackers do that as they always work in the background rather than facing you with a gun to rob the money :P.

but one thing is for sure , this case will be forever gone like what Mt.gox case.
Both these cases are in different circumstances, Mt.Gox happened when the cryptocurrency market was literally new but now the entire scenario changed.


Title: Re: Founders of South African Bitcoin exchange disappear after $3.6 billion 'hack'
Post by: Reosta_ on July 01, 2021, 11:05:07 PM
It's sad to hear crypto exchanges experience things like this. Especially small exchanges have big problems on recovering after getting hacked. And the founders of some of them just flee like in this example. Therefore, I don't trust many exchanges to be honest. They may be doing their job really well. But I don't want to increase the risk of losing my money.

I hope that the investors can get their money but I don't see it very possible honestly.


Title: Re: Founders of South African Bitcoin exchange disappear after $3.6 billion 'hack'
Post by: Sithara007 on July 02, 2021, 03:20:13 AM
There seems to be a lot of confusion related to the Africrypt robbery. The investors claim that coins amounting to $4 billion were stolen, but Raess Cajee (one of the promoters) issued a statement claiming that there has been a hack and they lost only around $5 million worth of assets. The Africrypt users are unable to access their account or withdraw their funds. And the promoters have fled to the United Kingdom. My question is, if the promoters are correct, then why they fled from South Africa? The excuse that they received death threats is not that believable.
Regardless of the amount being lost, what matters is that there is an important amount of money that has disappeared from the exchange and that the owners disappeared and they are excusing themselves saying they received death threats which as you say it does not make sense, if the amount stolen was so low then they could eventually pay their customers back and turn something that is very negative into something positive showing themselves as honest people that care about their customers, but with this attitude they are showing the complete opposite.

Latest news here:
https://www.news.com.au/finance/money/investing/africrypt-cajee-brother-denies-stealing-475b-in-bitcoin/news-story/ba8fe269dd7bd18cb5336b99d02424cd

The investors of Africrypt are saying that a total of $3.6 billion are missing. But the brothers are claiming that they were managing only around $200 million worth of funds (I need to find out who these "investors" are, who trusted a 21-year old and a 17-year old with so much money). The promoters claim that among their customers there are some very powerful people - politicians, businessmen and celebrities. Some of these customers have apparently made the death threat, according to the Cajee brothers. The brothers claim that they are "planning" to return to South Africa.


Title: Re: Founders of South African Bitcoin exchange disappear after $3.6 billion 'hack'
Post by: Kittygalore on July 02, 2021, 08:39:47 AM
The amount of the hacked bitcoin is still in my question, I can't believe there are many users on their platform.
Investing in an AI trading bot seems skeptical to me. I guess it is either planned since the start, or they were hacked.
AI trading has a potential, algorithms that trades on it's own are already made by HFT companies in stock market so there's a good cover for the scammers to do the technology because there's a proof of existence and proof that it works. You are probably right that this was planned from the start because that's a pretty big coincidence that they disappeared and showed up in UK right after the hack.


Title: Re: Founders of South African Bitcoin exchange disappear after $3.6 billion 'hack'
Post by: Chato1977 on July 02, 2021, 10:09:16 AM
There are lot of discussion going about the investment schemes in this exchange, so I am not going to involve in that since we can smell something fishy just from their high return plan but we should never forget that not your keys not your coins so just keep the coins in your wallet itself and the exchanges are here for trading and use it for such purpose alone.
ALl exchange has your coins because you don't own your keys.

This is why from the start this has been the concern of old timers here to educate people not to let exchange keeping their funds .

But what? people are hard headed and loves following their stupidity than security .


Title: Re: Founders of South African Bitcoin exchange disappear after $3.6 billion 'hack'
Post by: Vishnu.Reang on July 02, 2021, 10:33:55 AM
ALl exchange has your coins because you don't own your keys.

This is why from the start this has been the concern of old timers here to educate people not to let exchange keeping their funds .

But what? people are hard headed and loves following their stupidity than security .

Well.. I learnt this the hard way in 2018, when Wex.nz went down along with my LTC stash. I was storing my coins in the exchange wallet, because I was too lazy to create an online wallet for Litecoin. And the same happened once more in 2019, when Cryptopia closed down. I lost whatever LTC remained after 2018. And it saddens me that a lot of noobs repeat the mistake that I did in 2018 and 2019. Setting up an online wallet doesn't take much time. At the most you need 10-15 minutes. But once done, it will give you peace of mind.


Title: Re: Founders of South African Bitcoin exchange disappear after $3.6 billion 'hack'
Post by: Natalim on July 02, 2021, 12:57:20 PM
There's no reason for him to disappear if he did not do anything wrong, the hack might be an inside job. Honestly, I didn't hear anything about this news, maybe it's not big news in crypto as it could have resulted in a market dump since FUDDERS will come and play.

$3.6 billion is huge money, but one would not be able to enjoy that if the authorities are going after him.


Title: Re: Founders of South African Bitcoin exchange disappear after $3.6 billion 'hack'
Post by: beerlover on July 02, 2021, 08:20:15 PM
Latest news here:
https://www.news.com.au/finance/money/investing/africrypt-cajee-brother-denies-stealing-475b-in-bitcoin/news-story/ba8fe269dd7bd18cb5336b99d02424cd

The investors of Africrypt are saying that a total of $3.6 billion are missing. But the brothers are claiming that they were managing only around $200 million worth of funds (I need to find out who these "investors" are, who trusted a 21-year old and a 17-year old with so much money). The promoters claim that among their customers there are some very powerful people - politicians, businessmen and celebrities. Some of these customers have apparently made the death threat, according to the Cajee brothers. The brothers claim that they are "planning" to return to South Africa.
Unfortunately people didn't check who the owners are, it has been said before that people do not look at the owners of the exchanges they use, it is a shame but it is also the reality. I do wonder how this will unfold, 200 million dollars is not a small amount of money, hell even 5 million dollars is not a small amount of money but 3.5 billion dollars is a staggering amount of money and I do wonder what is going to happen.

If they were 100% innocent and had absolutely nothing wrong then why did they ran away to UK? That is the correct question to ask, if they had so much money just stolen and everything else is fine and they can come back and make the business continue without a problem then they should have done that to begin with. The only reason they went to UK is basically to hide their money there and that's it, now they can come back and claim that they are hacked just like everyone else and they are victims as well.


Title: Re: Founders of South African Bitcoin exchange disappear after $3.6 billion 'hack'
Post by: Sithara007 on July 03, 2021, 04:01:31 AM
Unfortunately people didn't check who the owners are, it has been said before that people do not look at the owners of the exchanges they use, it is a shame but it is also the reality. I do wonder how this will unfold, 200 million dollars is not a small amount of money, hell even 5 million dollars is not a small amount of money but 3.5 billion dollars is a staggering amount of money and I do wonder what is going to happen.

If they were 100% innocent and had absolutely nothing wrong then why did they ran away to UK? That is the correct question to ask, if they had so much money just stolen and everything else is fine and they can come back and make the business continue without a problem then they should have done that to begin with. The only reason they went to UK is basically to hide their money there and that's it, now they can come back and claim that they are hacked just like everyone else and they are victims as well.

I don't think that these two will ever return to South Africa. The advantage with UK is that it never deports criminals, if they can prove that their life is in danger if deported. In the past, foreign pedophiles and rapists have managed to overturn their deportations, by arguing that they may face physical harm if sent back. And for the financial criminals, it is even easier. London is being regarded as the hub of white collar criminals. The government in UK doesn't care if your funds are stolen from somewhere. As long as you are rich, and is able to spend that money in the UK, you are welcome there.


Title: Re: Founders of South African Bitcoin exchange disappear after $3.6 billion 'hack'
Post by: aysg76 on July 03, 2021, 11:20:57 AM
Another bitcoin ponzi scam and victims to this lost $3.6 billion which is insane that how sharp minded these two youngsters must be or say how foolish were the people to invest their funds with their firm.So now what people will not realise their silly mistake and refer to bitcoin as scam but knows internally that it is not true because they were being stupid despite of so many crypto warning scams.Many scammers just fly to other countries which do not ally with their origin country so that they could not be deported from there and they pay legal fees to them.Just another day another scam but some big this time.

Few months back the older brother and CEO of Africrypt told investors they have been hacked and asked customers not to report to the authorities as it will slow down investigation? Seriously and people believe it and then they convert all the funds to btc and just go off the radars and next is news that it is one of the biggest crypto scam in South Africa.I don't know how people came into their influence without any background check that company is being run by two teenagers who are not above 20 also and what is their past history nothing and then became victim for the same.So according to me people are to be blamed because ignorance is not a plea.


Title: Re: Founders of South African Bitcoin exchange disappear after $3.6 billion 'hack'
Post by: beerlover on July 03, 2021, 02:01:49 PM
I don't think that these two will ever return to South Africa. The advantage with UK is that it never deports criminals, if they can prove that their life is in danger if deported. In the past, foreign pedophiles and rapists have managed to overturn their deportations, by arguing that they may face physical harm if sent back. And for the financial criminals, it is even easier. London is being regarded as the hub of white collar criminals. The government in UK doesn't care if your funds are stolen from somewhere. As long as you are rich, and is able to spend that money in the UK, you are welcome there.
I doubt that it is about being deported or even physical harm, it is obvious that these people are now rich and UK wants to take a piece of that money. Think about it, wouldn't you want two people with over 3 billion dollars in their pockets to come to your nation, live there, spend there, when they spend their money others in your nation earn money, and they pay taxes as well so basically all around as long as they live there that 3+ billion dollars will slowly go into UK economy.

So I think it is not about white collar crime, it is not about deportation, it is not about keeping someone safe from physical harm, UK doesn't care about any of that, they only care about money that they could make from these two. I still can't believe they managed to steal this much money, it is a shock to me that they were even capable of doing something this large so easily.


Title: Re: Founders of South African Bitcoin exchange disappear after $3.6 billion 'hack'
Post by: oHnK on July 03, 2021, 03:41:55 PM
I don't think that these two will ever return to South Africa. The advantage with UK is that it never deports criminals, if they can prove that their life is in danger if deported. In the past, foreign pedophiles and rapists have managed to overturn their deportations, by arguing that they may face physical harm if sent back. And for the financial criminals, it is even easier. London is being regarded as the hub of white collar criminals. The government in UK doesn't care if your funds are stolen from somewhere. As long as you are rich, and is able to spend that money in the UK, you are welcome there.
I doubt that it is about being deported or even physical harm, it is obvious that these people are now rich and UK wants to take a piece of that money. Think about it, wouldn't you want two people with over 3 billion dollars in their pockets to come to your nation, live there, spend there, when they spend their money others in your nation earn money, and they pay taxes as well so basically all around as long as they live there that 3+ billion dollars will slowly go into UK economy.

So I think it is not about white collar crime, it is not about deportation, it is not about keeping someone safe from physical harm, UK doesn't care about any of that, they only care about money that they could make from these two. I still can't believe they managed to steal this much money, it is a shock to me that they were even capable of doing something this large so easily.

It would be too naive to focus on physical protection and deportation issues.  The state only talks about needs, what needs can be met then the state can protect.  The money so big they have will make a good proposal for the protection of a country even though he is a criminal.  This is a fact that is difficult for everyone to admit.  Whether the state really cares about the fate of workers who work as maids is not entirely.  It's a business to business story.


Title: Re: Founders of South African Bitcoin exchange disappear after $3.6 billion 'hack'
Post by: jaysabi on July 03, 2021, 05:26:23 PM
I don't think that these two will ever return to South Africa. The advantage with UK is that it never deports criminals, if they can prove that their life is in danger if deported. In the past, foreign pedophiles and rapists have managed to overturn their deportations, by arguing that they may face physical harm if sent back. And for the financial criminals, it is even easier. London is being regarded as the hub of white collar criminals. The government in UK doesn't care if your funds are stolen from somewhere. As long as you are rich, and is able to spend that money in the UK, you are welcome there.
I doubt that it is about being deported or even physical harm, it is obvious that these people are now rich and UK wants to take a piece of that money. Think about it, wouldn't you want two people with over 3 billion dollars in their pockets to come to your nation, live there, spend there, when they spend their money others in your nation earn money, and they pay taxes as well so basically all around as long as they live there that 3+ billion dollars will slowly go into UK economy.

So I think it is not about white collar crime, it is not about deportation, it is not about keeping someone safe from physical harm, UK doesn't care about any of that, they only care about money that they could make from these two. I still can't believe they managed to steal this much money, it is a shock to me that they were even capable of doing something this large so easily.

This remains to be a dumb idea even though you keep posting it.  That's not how any of this works.  If it is, go find all the times the UK has refused to deport someone because the UK wanted to keep the money the criminals stole and brought to the UK and post them here.  You won't find any because that's not how it works.  Even among conspiracy theories, this one is stupid.


Title: Re: Founders of South African Bitcoin exchange disappear after $3.6 billion 'hack'
Post by: nakamura12 on July 03, 2021, 06:19:50 PM
Even if they return to south africa but the words they say is not that strong. If they got a death threat oine then they should prove that it's true and if it's physical death threat then it would be hard to prove. This feels like an exit scam by saying that the exchange got hacked but it is them who did it (just saying though I don't have any proof but it sure do feels like it)


Title: Re: Founders of South African Bitcoin exchange disappear after $3.6 billion 'hack'
Post by: Lorence.xD on July 04, 2021, 04:56:34 AM
Even if they return to south africa but the words they say is not that strong. If they got a death threat oine then they should prove that it's true and if it's physical death threat then it would be hard to prove. This feels like an exit scam by saying that the exchange got hacked but it is them who did it (just saying though I don't have any proof but it sure do feels like it)
It's highly likely that it is an exit scam more than anything else because for all we know, the death threats were a fabricated story so the people that thinks they are scammers will have second thoughts about their accusations. Look at the time of the hack and the time of their disappearance, it all too seem unlikely that it's all just a coincidence.


Title: Re: Founders of South African Bitcoin exchange disappear after $3.6 billion 'hack'
Post by: Vaskiy on July 04, 2021, 10:42:46 AM
Bitcoin exchange hacks and exit scams used to make a negative impact over the market. This time there is no big impact experienced, and this is all because of the exchange being unknown to majority of the users. Right now there is no complaints raised against both of them who have scammed the users. Such situations will affect the reputation of the cryptocurrency network.


Title: Re: Founders of South African Bitcoin exchange disappear after $3.6 billion 'hack'
Post by: Vishnu.Reang on July 04, 2021, 12:25:42 PM
This remains to be a dumb idea even though you keep posting it.  That's not how any of this works.  If it is, go find all the times the UK has refused to deport someone because the UK wanted to keep the money the criminals stole and brought to the UK and post them here.  You won't find any because that's not how it works.  Even among conspiracy theories, this one is stupid.

UK don't want to keep the money. But they are OK, if the money is spent in that jurisdiction. There is nothing wrong in what beerlover posted, because I know that during the last 3 decades dozens of financial criminals have settled down in the UK. And these scammers have migrated to the UK from all around the world, including African countries, China, India, Greece, Russia.etc. Being an Indian, I would say that the UK's policy of protecting criminals like Vijay Mallya and Nirav Modi (who have stolen billions of $$ worth of funds from the Indian banks) is extremely disappointing.


Title: Re: Founders of South African Bitcoin exchange disappear after $3.6 billion 'hack'
Post by: Silberman on July 04, 2021, 06:30:14 PM
Unfortunately people didn't check who the owners are, it has been said before that people do not look at the owners of the exchanges they use, it is a shame but it is also the reality. I do wonder how this will unfold, 200 million dollars is not a small amount of money, hell even 5 million dollars is not a small amount of money but 3.5 billion dollars is a staggering amount of money and I do wonder what is going to happen.

If they were 100% innocent and had absolutely nothing wrong then why did they ran away to UK? That is the correct question to ask, if they had so much money just stolen and everything else is fine and they can come back and make the business continue without a problem then they should have done that to begin with. The only reason they went to UK is basically to hide their money there and that's it, now they can come back and claim that they are hacked just like everyone else and they are victims as well.

I don't think that these two will ever return to South Africa. The advantage with UK is that it never deports criminals, if they can prove that their life is in danger if deported. In the past, foreign pedophiles and rapists have managed to overturn their deportations, by arguing that they may face physical harm if sent back. And for the financial criminals, it is even easier. London is being regarded as the hub of white collar criminals. The government in UK doesn't care if your funds are stolen from somewhere. As long as you are rich, and is able to spend that money in the UK, you are welcome there.
Thanks for the info, it does not seem then that this is going to be resolved soon or that at least those people are going to pay by spending time in jail, however I find this argument to be flawed after all if someone does something as bad as stealing so much money from you then it makes sense to be incredibly mad to the point to make threats, I am not justifying violence against those people as they should face the criminal justice system of their country, but I say that being mad and losing control of what you say makes complete sense and for that to be enough to not deport a criminal makes no sense to me.


Title: Re: Founders of South African Bitcoin exchange disappear after $3.6 billion 'hack'
Post by: Quidat on July 04, 2021, 08:55:37 PM
Bitcoin exchange hacks and exit scams used to make a negative impact over the market. This time there is no big impact experienced, and this is all because of the exchange being unknown to majority of the users. Right now there is no complaints raised against both of them who have scammed the users. Such situations will affect the reputation of the cryptocurrency network.
Reputation or simply popularity is one of the factors too that add up on possible effect into the market when it comes to exchange hack incident and you were right that its an unknown exchange
and this incident didnt really make any impact on overall market.It is rather making those movements into Elon tweets which i can say that it is on high probability that the entire market
will really possibly have that kind of possible movement on every tweet and its not something new into this place. On topic about exchange hack, this is why its much
better if you do really focus or trust up those current top rank in the market, dont make deposits into unknown ones and just more reminder that even on reputable ones
you wouldnt know on when they would be hacked so never store coins on exchangers for too long.


Title: Re: Founders of South African Bitcoin exchange disappear after $3.6 billion 'hack'
Post by: Sithara007 on July 05, 2021, 03:30:42 AM
Thanks for the info, it does not seem then that this is going to be resolved soon or that at least those people are going to pay by spending time in jail, however I find this argument to be flawed after all if someone does something as bad as stealing so much money from you then it makes sense to be incredibly mad to the point to make threats, I am not justifying violence against those people as they should face the criminal justice system of their country, but I say that being mad and losing control of what you say makes complete sense and for that to be enough to not deport a criminal makes no sense to me.

This is the ecosystem the left has created in western nations. Criminals are being given special rights, none of which their victims received. A perfect example is the case of Rwanda genocide. 1 million ethnic minority civilians were killed during this genocide. Ethnic minority women were raped by perpetrators who were HIV positive. The victims caught HIV from their rapists, and soon died. However, the rapists are still alive as they are detained by the International Criminal Court and they are getting free access to expensive medicines. And to give an example of how the legal system in UK works:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8211263/Rapist-deportation-halted-airline-passengers-staged-mutiny-set-released.html
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/deportation-rapist-halted-appeal-judges-1945890.html
https://metro.co.uk/2019/04/07/gang-rape-victims-trauma-after-heathrow-passengers-stop-attackers-deportation-9128061/

Now after this, do you really expect that the Cajee brothers will be brought to justice within the UK?


Title: Re: Founders of South African Bitcoin exchange disappear after $3.6 billion 'hack'
Post by: jaysabi on July 05, 2021, 10:10:02 PM
This remains to be a dumb idea even though you keep posting it.  That's not how any of this works.  If it is, go find all the times the UK has refused to deport someone because the UK wanted to keep the money the criminals stole and brought to the UK and post them here.  You won't find any because that's not how it works.  Even among conspiracy theories, this one is stupid.

UK don't want to keep the money. But they are OK, if the money is spent in that jurisdiction. There is nothing wrong in what beerlover posted, because I know that during the last 3 decades dozens of financial criminals have settled down in the UK. And these scammers have migrated to the UK from all around the world, including African countries, China, India, Greece, Russia.etc. Being an Indian, I would say that the UK's policy of protecting criminals like Vijay Mallya and Nirav Modi (who have stolen billions of $$ worth of funds from the Indian banks) is extremely disappointing.

Well pretty much everything you said was inaccurate.  Modi is currently in the process of being extradited to India, in fact his latest appeal was just rejected by a UK court several days ago (https://www.dnaindia.com/business/report-pnb-scam-uk-court-rejects-nirav-modi-plea-challenging-extradition-to-india-2897061).  So not only is the UK not a "safe haven" for criminals, but the specific example you cited proves to be working exactly the opposite of how you keep saying it does.


Title: Re: Founders of South African Bitcoin exchange disappear after $3.6 billion 'hack'
Post by: bryant.coleman on July 06, 2021, 07:10:29 AM
Well pretty much everything you said was inaccurate.  Modi is currently in the process of being extradited to India, in fact his latest appeal was just rejected by a UK court several days ago (https://www.dnaindia.com/business/report-pnb-scam-uk-court-rejects-nirav-modi-plea-challenging-extradition-to-india-2897061).  So not only is the UK not a "safe haven" for criminals, but the specific example you cited proves to be working exactly the opposite of how you keep saying it does.

If his appeal against extradition is rejected, he can apply for asylum in the UK claiming that the jails in India are not safe for him. This is the same route that was used by Vijay Mallya. The asylum hearing can go on for many years, and even if it is rejected, these guys can go for appeals multiple times. I don't think that Nirav Modi will be deported back to India for the next 10-15 years. These are not isolated incidents. Dozens of Russian oligarchs who made tens of billions of USD during the Yeltsin era are residing in the United Kingdom. The UK has refused to extradite any of them back to Russia, for obvious reasons. The same is the case with Greek oligarchs, who looted the treasuries and caused the Greek economic meltdown of 2017.


Title: Re: Founders of South African Bitcoin exchange disappear after $3.6 billion 'hack'
Post by: goldade on July 06, 2021, 11:37:56 AM
There are several possible explanations to this situation.
It could be possible that the brothers were themselves victim of some scam and the only available option is to abscond to avoid paying the debt of $3.6 billion. It is a huge sum of money and absconding might seem as the best alternative.
It could also be possible that the two brothers are the scammers who used an exchange to scam people of their hard earned money and after successfully carrying out their scam ran away.
Anyways, I do hope the funds are recovered because this means a lot of people would lose money and it is possible for some to have lost their life savings.


Title: Re: Founders of South African Bitcoin exchange disappear after $3.6 billion 'hack'
Post by: justdimin on July 07, 2021, 08:35:04 PM
An exist scam if you can get away with 3.6 bn USD sounds like a good risk / reward bet to be in. With such kind of money you can just buy a huge yacht and sail into international waters for the rest of your life. What remains curious to me is that an unknown exchange handled such kind of money. I feel bad for all the investors who los their coins, but how can you put such large sums of money in an exchange without a long track record. I agree that is best to withdraw coins instantly from the exchange, leave only the coins on there that you are planning to sell in the next few days. The security risk is just too big.
Well, it depends if you can get all of it as well. These guys weren't keeping the 3.5 billion dollars in their pockets when they left, everyone is talking about how the scam was for that amount but just because they scammed that much doesn't mean they got away with that much.

These are technological stuff and I would be shocked to hear if they had even over 100 million dollars to their name when they run away, when you want to scam people it is not really as simple as take their money and leave, there are a lot of cold wallets, there is hot wallet, there are wallets for each coin, there are hot wallets for each of them, there are colds for each of them, there are operational ones where people in your staff has access, and as soon as you touch one of the cold wallets you are going to end up with a red flag and someone in your staff may leak that information. So, it is quite quite difficult to steal ALL of it.


Title: Re: Founders of South African Bitcoin exchange disappear after $3.6 billion 'hack'
Post by: tippytoes on July 07, 2021, 10:37:14 PM
There are several possible explanations to this situation.
It could be possible that the brothers were themselves victim of some scam and the only available option is to abscond to avoid paying the debt of $3.6 billion. It is a huge sum of money and absconding might seem as the best alternative.
It could also be possible that the two brothers are the scammers who used an exchange to scam people of their hard earned money and after successfully carrying out their scam ran away.
Anyways, I do hope the funds are recovered because this means a lot of people would lose money and it is possible for some to have lost their life savings.


It is not an exchange platform but an investment platform. So more than likely, they are running ponzi scheme here up until they can no longer pay their investors. Definitely, before they disappear, they already worked out plans on how to liquidate those large sum of money. They may have gone already to a third world country and enjoying a Piña colada. But unfortunate for those who trusted them with their hard-earned money/life savings.

https://i.ibb.co/xC5GdH8/Screen-Shot-2021-07-08-at-6-35-20-AM.png
 article  (https://www.straitstimes.com/business/banking/south-african-brothers-vanish-along-with-48-billion-of-investors-bitcoin#:~:text=Ameer%20and%20Raees%20Cajee%2C%20the,the%20exchange%20had%20been%20hacked.)


Title: Re: Founders of South African Bitcoin exchange disappear after $3.6 billion 'hack'
Post by: ene1980 on July 07, 2021, 10:38:08 PM
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Well, it depends if you can get all of it as well. These guys weren't keeping the 3.5 billion dollars in their pockets when they left, everyone is talking about how the scam was for that amount but just because they scammed that much doesn't mean they got away with that much.
All we can do is speculate how much they own, since they are having the full custody of the wallet the can very well own all the coins that are deposited in their business, you need to understand that it was not an exchange but a scam from the beginning.

These are technological stuff and I would be shocked to hear if they had even over 100 million dollars to their name when they run away, when you want to scam people it is not really as simple as take their money and leave, there are a lot of cold wallets, there is hot wallet, there are wallets for each coin, there are hot wallets for each of them, there are colds for each of them, there are operational ones where people in your staff has access, and as soon as you touch one of the cold wallets you are going to end up with a red flag and someone in your staff may leak that information. So, it is quite quite difficult to steal ALL of it.
It is strange that you do not think that they owners is not holding the private keys of their hot wallet and cold wallet. Even if they have a reserve holdings for emergency the entire hot wallet private keys will be in the hands of the owners and not to their employees.


Title: Re: Founders of South African Bitcoin exchange disappear after $3.6 billion 'hack'
Post by: Dread Pirate Roberts on July 07, 2021, 11:23:10 PM
These Cajee brothers were just 20 and 17 year old kids. While they may have struck the proverbial goldmine with the exchange, it could wholly be possible that they themselves are a victim of the 5-dollar wrench attack.

The excuse for not investigating is also pretty weak. It has already been a few days and will be impossible to track if something untoward has happened to them. Watch for those proceeds ending up in some politician or powerful policeman's Swiss bank stash.

Never knew this before. risks that cannot be avoided and feared by all crypto traders. loss money because other people certainly unacceptable. and with a nominal of that size, I assume they are already big in their country? honestly i never heard that exchange name before. hope african friend there will get the best solution for their assets.

are they not even clarification or make press conference for that case ?


Title: Re: Founders of South African Bitcoin exchange disappear after $3.6 billion 'hack'
Post by: cabron on July 07, 2021, 11:40:11 PM
These Cajee brothers were just 20 and 17 year old kids. While they may have struck the proverbial goldmine with the exchange, it could wholly be possible that they themselves are a victim of the 5-dollar wrench attack.

The excuse for not investigating is also pretty weak. It has already been a few days and will be impossible to track if something untoward has happened to them. Watch for those proceeds ending up in some politician or powerful policeman's Swiss bank stash.

Never knew this before. risks that cannot be avoided and feared by all crypto traders. loss money because other people certainly unacceptable. and with a nominal of that size, I assume they are already big in their country? honestly i never heard that exchange name before. hope african friend there will get the best solution for their assets.

are they not even clarification or make press conference for that case ?


I never heard of the exchange too but there must be a lot of users from their country for them to profit $3.6B.

When victims are not found more than 24 hours, the chances of them getting found alive is pretty slim. It rarely happens that a victim will show up with just bruises and can go on with their lives after.  But this one has $3.6B, I don't think a criminal will let them go without a truckload of money.








Title: Re: Founders of South African Bitcoin exchange disappear after $3.6 billion 'hack'
Post by: Sithara007 on July 08, 2021, 03:20:23 AM
I never heard of the exchange too but there must be a lot of users from their country for them to profit $3.6B.

When victims are not found more than 24 hours, the chances of them getting found alive is pretty slim. It rarely happens that a victim will show up with just bruises and can go on with their lives after.  But this one has $3.6B, I don't think a criminal will let them go without a truckload of money.

Most of the users were early adopters of Bitcoin, and that's how they managed to own that many coins. BTW, the owners claim that their life is under threat. But I don't think that is the case. They have already fled to the United Kingdom, and may soon make an application for asylum claiming that their life is under threat. The claim that they were threatened is just an excuse to make their case strong before the asylum application. And given the circumstances, any chance of the UK government deporting back to South Africa looks slim.