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Elon Musk and Jack Dorsey agree to talk about bitcoin at an event in July... Seems like these two might have a plan for Bitcoins future. What direction are they taking? Can their power combined control the sway of Bitcoins future?

Any news involving the clown Musk have zero interest for me. The guy is only a manipulator narcissistic dude, his interests for me to get rich are zero as well so why should I care. I'm not that stupid to follow like the sheep. Next!

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Seems like these two might have a plan for Bitcoins future. What direction are they taking? Can their power combined control the sway of Bitcoins future?

“To me personally? I like how @elonmusk uses Twitter. He’s focused on solving existential problems and sharing his thinking openly. I respect that a lot, and all the ups and downs that come with it.”

Just want say that I support @Jack as Twitter CEO. He has a good ❤️.

The problem is if anyone takes notice of them and the crap they say.
They should be ignored.

Both are really big names in the tech space, especially Elon Musk. It's almost guaranteed that Bitcoin's price will once again move violently depending on what Elon's sentiment is going to be, unfortunately.

And I think it's not going to be as violent as you might think.

We all know his stance and there's not much negativity he can add to this.
Can he say bitcoin sucks? He already did. He also mocked maximalists and the whole community, he even destroyed the price of his beloved dogecoin.
People who depend on his opinion for investments are already out of bitcoin and those who didn't won't suddenly start to.

2 of the world's greatest minds talking about the future of mankind. Brilliant. This is an event one can not miss. Is the date clear yet? In July but which day? I don't want to miss it.

I am pleased to see that Elon regained his faith in Bitcoin.

We are a lot stronger when we have a bright mind like his on our side.

You make me laugh. I bet there are smarter people than Elon Musk on this forum. They just don't have the right connections.

I honestly hope that Elon Musk changes his view about the whole bitcoin mining and the environmental causes, because after seeing what his statements affected the last price jump made it clear to everyone how much influence he has and how important his statements are

Any news involving the clown Musk have zero interest for me. The guy is only a manipulator narcissistic dude, his interests for me to get rich are zero as well so why should I care. I'm not that stupid to follow like the sheep. Next!

And who cares if they "have a plan" for bitcoin?  Musk's opinion has no bearing on the value or use of bitcoin.  

Elon Musk has always been a constant manipulator of the Bitcoin market and even Dogecoin so am getting tired of his support for both coin, if he has good intentions toward both coin then he should stop manipulating the market for his gains and start a support campaign for the entire cryptocurrency market.

Any news involving the clown Musk have zero interest for me. The guy is only a manipulator narcissistic dude, his interests for me to get rich are zero as well so why should I care. I'm not that stupid to follow like the sheep. Next!

Any news involving the clown Musk have zero interest for me. The guy is only a manipulator narcissistic dude, his interests for me to get rich are zero as well so why should I care. I'm not that stupid to follow like the sheep. Next!

I wish there is someone that can make him look stupid in one of these discussions he is having.

Any news involving the clown Musk have zero interest for me. The guy is only a manipulator narcissistic dude, his interests for me to get rich are zero as well so why should I care. I'm not that stupid to follow like the sheep. Next!

Well at some degree you cared enough because you expressed your disdain towards Elon and his tomfoolery. I have to agree with you though but sometimes, it's useful to be in the know with what this guy is doing because you can use it to somewhat predict what's going to happen next.

This hardly means anything good for the crypto industry, rather the opposite.

We should expect an increase in the market as these two will talk about a cryptocurrency and make some activities with it.

It will be an explosion on social media and can be a bomb but positive or negative effect will depend on what they will talk about cryptocurrency.

I obviously hope that if there is a talk, they will talk positively about Bitcoin and cryptocurrency market. Will the talk be hold soon? I guess not but I wait for it in late months of this year or in first quarter of 2022.

Any news involving the clown Musk have zero interest for me. The guy is only a manipulator narcissistic dude, his interests for me to get rich are zero as well so why should I care. I'm not that stupid to follow like the sheep. Next!

Before that meeting, I think there will be news from Elon or Jack about what they will discuss to predict what will happen to bitcoin later.

Elon Musk and Jack Dorsey agree to talk about bitcoin at an event in July... Seems like these two might have a plan for Bitcoins future. What direction are they taking? Can their power combined control the sway of Bitcoins future?

Elon Musk and Jack Dorsey agree to talk about bitcoin at an event in July... Seems like these two might have a plan for Bitcoins future. What direction are they taking? Can their power combined control the sway of Bitcoins future?

I hope too that people, especially those who are fond of Elon Musk, will be careful and won’t allow impulsivity take up their minds after whatever these personalities state in their event. Regardless if influencers have some fault in the past happenings in the market or may it be the whales, people must be conscious and take the learnings reaped in the past. I just also want to be hopeful that their event would educate and attract people to explore crypto which could also leap into mass adoption.

someone says they are going to talk about btc mining and on how btc works .
 this can be another attempt to convince elon to go back in btc and explains that there are other greener ways to mine a btc and not only with direct electricity that we found inside our home .
 this is interesting to watch , let see if how will elon respond this time .

And here is the original tweet, in which Elon and Jack made the announcement:

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1408244133400023048

Don't hold your hopes high on these two. They have a reputation of being unreliable and untrustworthy.

I don't think so that if there's any news related to Elon musk is real because from the previous statements of him some of this are just traps and speculations, some people already lose their funds because too much trusting in him and I think right now no one believes to his tweets. In my part i don't really trust anyone with their prediction on the market because the end the decision is yours and you cannot blame them because of losing your money. Always invest at your own risk DYOR.

I don't think so that if there's any news related to Elon musk is real because from the previous statements of him some of this are just traps and speculations, some people already lose their funds because too much trusting in him and I think right now no one believes to his tweets. In my part i don't really trust anyone with their prediction on the market because the end the decision is yours and you cannot blame them because of losing your money. Always invest at your own risk DYOR.

I'm one of those people who don't believe anything Elon Musk says, after all the bad things Elon Musk has done in the crypto world. And I believe
most of the crypto community has also begun to realize not to believe any tweets written by Elon Musk. Because the most important thing is that
we invest based on the results of our research and analysis, so we can make the right decisions.

I am pleased to see that Elon regained his faith in Bitcoin.

There is no such statement or evidence which indicates that he is supporting bitcoin now.He has just agreed to talk about the bitcoin with Dorsey on that event and still pumping all the shitcoins and trying to conceive people that doge is better than btc and eth in every term.So I also don't give importance to any of his nonsense talk anymore and he has accepted the challenge to satisfy his ego nothing else and will end up losing it.

Maybe this time Elon will be positive about Bitcoin?

I don’t know why Jack invited him. Elon has shown that he doesn’t care and he’s just going to take the opportunity to troll and be insufferable.

People should be talking more about NFT DeFi games. I'd rather get busy grinding to get SLP on AXIE. And start playing $ANRX (https://anrkeyx.io/landing)

Only just over a week to go until this now. It is a little concerning that anything negative Elon says seems to result in weak hands selling.

That's what I thought. Even if many of us don't care what Musk does or doesn't do, as has been discussed in the thread, there is no doubt that he still has the ability to influence the price, especially in weak hands. The event may add volatility to the price.

Does he? I believe his influence on the price has faded as fast as his popularity among Bitcoiners, or coiners in general. He’s a troll, and an “enemy” of Bitcoin like Roger Ver and Jihan Wu before him. John McAfee is respected than Elon Musk.

Elon Musk and Jack Dorsey agree to talk about bitcoin at an event in July... Seems like these two might have a plan for Bitcoins future. What direction are they taking? Can their power combined control the sway of Bitcoins future?

Only just over a week to go until this now. It is a little concerning that anything negative Elon says seems to result in weak hands selling. Maybe having Jack there & able to counter the FUD will help though.

Its not the people who are die hard fans of Bitcoin that he influences, he influences those that are new or treating it as an investment opportunity. So, yeah he definitely still has as much influence as he did when he Tesla made the statement around a month or two ago.

Also, I think its pushing it to claim Mcafee is more respected that Elon Musk. Just because Elon Musk is considered enemy number one to most users on this forum, doesn't automatically make him the worst person in the world.

When will be the event to happen ?


I think the event had already done according to your post here mate. Any news what does happen to the meeting?

Where can I watch?
You can watch all presentations on www.thebword.org on July 21 starting at 9am PDT/12pm EDT. Each presentation is scheduled to drop on www.thebword.org at a designated time. You can find the event agenda here.

Will The ₿ Word be live?
This is a virtual event consisting primarily of pre-recorded presentations. There will be one live session starting at 11am PDT/2pm EDT. Featuring Cathie Wood, Jack Dorsey, and Elon Musk, Steve Lee will moderate this live panel discussion on Bitcoin as a Tool for Economic Empowerment.

right, even though we currently see Elon Musk badly on the development of bitcoin, that doesn't mean he has lost influence on bitcoiners. there's still a lot of community and he still has a large amount of funds to move the market, although not as well as when Tesla accepted bitcoin. but we can see how big the impact is now

And then there are some very high level investors such as Kevin O'Leary (Sharktank) who could care less about what Elon has to say (https://cryptopotato.com/kevin-oleary-nothing-will-replace-bitcoin-exclusive-interview/) :)

There is no such statement or evidence which indicates that he is supporting bitcoin now.He has just agreed to talk about the bitcoin with Dorsey on that event and still pumping all the shitcoins and trying to conceive people that doge is better than btc and eth in every term.So I also don't give importance to any of his nonsense talk anymore and he has accepted the challenge to satisfy his ego nothing else and will end up losing it.

Yes I also don't care what he says and what he does. Believing it is a mistake. Luckily I have never wanted to follow him on twitter. It's stupid that there are still many people who are influenced by his tweets. Hopefully the media doesn't make it big and follow up on this problem, don't give it a stage again.

Is anyone able to round up exactly was said?

OK.  Just started watching this B word thing...

Maybe I will edit this as I go... but impressions.

Elon is stoned as fek.  Seriously, or he just got up from a nap?
Elon triples down on "it's too slow, it's too expensive"
Elon reiterates for the 17millionth time he owns it (as does Tesla and SpaceX)
~22 Jack is such a classic bleeding heart. And I think he is right Bitcoin is going to benefit all the unbanked etc.
~24 I dig Cathie. She might have more basic strong sense than the other two. Recognises the BTC store of value being primary still.  Seems to get off on the who "crypto" thing though.  Her views on deflation are keen.
~27 Elon is pissed he's not geting a turn now.
~27 Jack touches on remittance, and bitcoins soundness and state disconnection.  Touches on Verifiability.  He obviously hangs on on Bitcoin Twitter.
~29  Elon misunderstands the concept of "scarcity".  He is attacking LN with the Money Transmittal argument.  Sounds like he's being fed by the state.  Bitcoin can't scale.  Brings up Doge, laughing and thinks it can be useful as a payment network because of ???   Mentions the "exchanges as a defacto layer 2 non-argument again.
~32 Moderator brings up that Elon's ideas would break decentralization.  Elon seems to think regular users do not need to run a node.  I do not believe his misunderstanding is well thought out yet. 
~34.5 Mod suggests Starlink run nodes. 
~35 Elon "invents" the idea of node as space heater.  How original.
~35.5 Elon drinks water.  He's been sounding a little dry mouthed.  he is stoned.
~36 Elon likes Doge because it is dumb and would be funny if the most entertaining outcome is the most likely one.
Elon is high.
Elon drinks more water, and wonders if he could sneak off cam for a bong hit.15
Jack falls into Elon's "fun" trap.
~38 Energy use~!  Oh boy.
~39 Elon is an self proclaimed expert on "renewable energy".
~40 Elon tacitly admits that the did not do appropriate due diligence before putting 1.5 BILLION.
~40.5 Elon says he has lots of bitcoin.
~41 Elon wants to do "more dilligence" to confirm the usage is <=50%, and Tesla will resume.  Most likely they will.
~41:40 Cathie brings up the actual intelligent 2nd order argument of energy use secondary effect
~42 Elon thinks solar powered Bitcoin cant work when the sun is down, even though it is up somewhere on Earth all the time.
~43 Elon is pro nuclear
~44 Jack also shows that he understands the second order idea of stranded energy etc unlike the wunderdoof.
~45 Elon has given his very life to the Earth working on Tesla.
~48 Tesla is trying to be the good guys
~48.5  Elon has saved us from Bitcoin using good energy and if he had not stepped in they would have just kept shoveling coal.
~49.5 Cathie shills ESG a little.  Sings Jack's hym a little on access for the unbanked and developing countries and remittances.  Mentions ES, and Tonga
~51.5 Talks about the social angle of egregious fees.
~52 she brings up the social aspect of bad government.  Props up the BTC transparency compared to the legacy systems. Compliments devs.
~53 Talks about Economic theory, Praises the DEVS in this regard. Calls them noble.
~54 Continues to praise bitcoin as noble as compared to the legacy system.
~55 BTC ethos
~56 Jack talks about supporting DEVS, and fighting the patent trolls, and open sourcing h/w design, and the DEV APIs
~58 Elon is asked about NYKNYC.  He seems to understand it. First thing I hear him say that makes sense.  He mentions that "he is a fan of decentralized finance". But like all of his other views he seems to have no nuance when it comes to custody, and key management.  And what about this stupid defacto layer two exchanges concept?
~59 Elon believes in empowering people. Golf clap.
~59.5 Elon cracks himself up with the depth of his understanding of key management.
~60 The moderator brings up multisig as a solution.
~60  Elon suggests you can just put your private key "in something that has dual access or voting access".  He obviously barely understands this topic as well.
~60.5 Mod challenges the interviewees saying the community wants to guard the users from rich people and corps.
~61 Cathie paints her company as a supporter of "democratization".  She mentions education and research given out for free to all via social media. Encourages support of the dev community.
~63 Jack wants to push for as much decentralization as possible.  Moving to non custodial solutions.  Being open source, and wants to move Twitter that direction. (Blue Sky)  Wants to support the community
~64 Elon asks if Twitter would take payments from advertisers in crypto.
~64 Jack wants to, but also want to focus on economic incentives w/o advertisers.
~65 Elon says something incomprehensible about incentives, and again scolds Jack for not yet letting advertisers pay in crypto.  He seems to have forgotten that he is against that function at his own companies.
~65.5 Jack tolerates this and answers "100%".
~66 Mod asks Elon about his companies role
~66 Elon Wants to do things that benefit people.  And "take these set of actions to make the future good"  Some crypto will make the future better.  i am thinking in terms of probabilities. Shills ETH and DOGE again.  Will have an "empowering effect". Says some anti government stuff comparing it to the biggest corporation.
~68 Cathie has some intelligent ideas about regulations around bitcoin. Talks about how explosive the growth of trade could be because of BTC.  And the idea of the hedge against inflation.  Talks about the natural migration of people to BTC, and brings up deflation again. She brings up stick buybacks and counterparty risks.
~70.5 Elon says Teslas Euro bank accounts actually have negative interest rates!  This is insane!  What could possibly help with this?
~72  Jack talks about the beauty of the BTC network, and the bad UX/UI for end users.  Wallet development is important.  Brings up Muun.  Seems to believe it is the type of UI that is great.
~73 Elon's hope for "crypto in general" is that it can improve the efficiency of the thing we call money.
~73.5 Cathie says money has powerful network effect, and revisits ESG and those aspirations. Solving the worlds problems. Says the words "blockchain" and "AI" right next to each other. Somehow the universe does not notice and destroy her.
~75  Jack wants Bitcoin to create world peace
~75 Elon laughs at that.


Elon is not important to bitcoin.  Jack probably is. Cathie seems like a competent business woman.  Sorry for the many many typos... not gonna fix em. ;)

Jack personally always reacts to the topic of bitcoin well and has a high level of friendliness.  Perhaps we can follow this conversation live to see the right outcome and whether it entails new effects and dynamics in the long term.  It is also a norm that the market and bitcoin need.  Did Jack mention building defi for bitcoin?  Not sure what he will bring next.  Personally, I still see that as a very bullish signal for bitcoin.

https://youtu.be/Zwx_7XAJ3p0 (https://youtu.be/Zwx_7XAJ3p0)
Why it is important and we are also waiting, the meeting with Elon, and probably more or less the results of the electric energy that Elon has suggested.

And then there are some very high level investors such as Kevin O'Leary (Sharktank) who could care less about what Elon has to say (https://cryptopotato.com/kevin-oleary-nothing-will-replace-bitcoin-exclusive-interview/) :)

Elon Musk was very respectful, and well behaved during the talk. I believe he truly expressed what he truly felt about Bitcoin. They were positive viewpoints, which makes me more confident about the need for a censorship-resistant money, and the network becoming a multi-generational protocol.

Video, https://www.thebword.org/c/track-2-Bitcoin-As-A-Tool-For-Economic-Empowerment

Did Elon Musk go to Michael Saylor’s office for this live video stream hehehe. It appears he is making fun of Saylor by using that backdrop. However, it is Saylor’s own fault. Saylor the hero has created his own archvillain. It was him who invited Elon to the Bitcoin for corporations conference on February 3, 2021.

https://i.ibb.co/WHw1Gfp/EDC0002-A-8-A8-F-48-EF-8-FCD-F36907398280.jpg

Amongst the attendees was SpaceX as highlighted by the team at @DocumentingBTC via the following tweet. Attendance by the space exploration company confirms that Elon Musk is indeed interested in adding Bitcoin to its treasuries.

Source https://en.ethereumworldnews.com/microstrategys-bitcoin-for-corporations-attracted-8197-attendees/

which makes me more confident about the need for a censorship-resistant money, and the network becoming a multi-generational protocol.

Now, it is revealed that not only Tesla but also SpaceX own Bitcoin. If Elon already shilled Dogecoin with Moon mission, do you think he will shill Bitcoin with another Moon mission or similar space flight to the edge of space like Blue Origin and Jeff Bezos just did days ago. I mean he might accept Bitcoin as payment method for Moon mission or space flight.

Even after watching all this shit, I believe Elon is not hopping on bitcoin and he will keep poking his followers towards Dogecoin and it looks like he has a very huge portfolio in Dogecoins as he may have accumulated so much during the bear times and is shilling it now to go ultra-rich than ever. These hypocrites don't give a fuck to crypto and digitalization, all they want is money.

This is July 22 already and I don't think anything they might have to say is influencing anything anymore. I have not even been getting acquainted with any information related to him as I am not interested. Either the talk comes up or not, bitcoin is here to stay despite how they try to manipulate their follower nor the market.

Even after watching all this shit, I believe Elon is not hopping on bitcoin and he will keep poking his followers towards Dogecoin and it looks like he has a very huge portfolio in Dogecoins as he may have accumulated so much during the bear times and is shilling it now to go ultra-rich than ever. These hypocrites don't give a fuck to crypto and digitalization, all they want is money.

From our WO friends - thanks @cAPSLOCK

Any news involving the clown Musk have zero interest for me. The guy is only a manipulator narcissistic dude, his interests for me to get rich are zero as well so why should I care. I'm not that stupid to follow like the sheep. Next!

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says the guy advertising another network at every oppertunity and being buddies with censors that want to ban/ignore anyone wanting to evolve bitcoin onchain

and yes LN is a separate network different currencies can use. a small nice service network for small amounts.

which bitcoin should not be devolved/stagnated just to publicise this other network as a go-to service everyone should use instead

and no dont cry to your buddies for backup rebuttals

and yes you saying

"i dont want coffe amounts onchain" is censorship talk of wanting certain transactions removed/not tolerated
funny thing is if you cant spend coffee amounts. how you suppose to spend coffee amounts to deposit into your other network to then buy coffee in your accepted manner

and please dont say the idea is to lock up 10xcoffee amount. then split it over 4 routes. because then you will not get to buy 10 complete coffees

I knew as soon as I saw a summary of what was said I would need to watch it just to clarify whether what someone summarized was accurate or their personal interpretation.

They talked and there were some interesting results at the end. Elon Musk said that he would start accepting payment with Bitcoin at Tesla again if more than 50% of Bitcoin mining is being made by renewable energies. And he talked about his and his company's investments into crypto also. He said that SpaceX owns Bitcoin also. But it doesn't look like this meeting affected Bitcoin price much.

They talked and there were some interesting results at the end. Elon Musk said that he would start accepting payment with Bitcoin at Tesla again if more than 50% of Bitcoin mining is being made by renewable energies. And he talked about his and his company's investments into crypto also. He said that SpaceX owns Bitcoin also. But it doesn't look like this meeting affected Bitcoin price much.

My whole thing now is why does anyone even care what Elon Musk thinks when it comes to bitcoin or cryptocurrency for that matter.  There are two trains of thought in my opinion when it comes to Elon and cryptocurrency.. 1) Elon is a market manipulator and is using crypto/bitcoin to make money and that's it  2) Elon truly doesn't know shit about bitcoin/crypto and therefore his words/remarks have to legitimate baring on anything.  For example you're telling me Elon had no idea about bitcoins environmental impact after purchasing a billion dollars worth?  ::)

windfury you have no clue

and when people have no clue. they throw out a rebuttal of victim carding
and get their buddy the rebuttal for them (social drama to distract topic)

you and doomad are just the replacement dramaqueen of carlton and lauda
lauda is your clone. his buzzword was adhom/. yours is gaslight but both you are playing the same ignorance game and cry victim game when you cant think of a real answer

your not original nor can you even grasp whats really involved in bitcoin

i get it your a PR person for another network
you have gone to some extremes of trying to portray anyone that wants onchain scaling to be some other brand/group/opposition to bitcoin. while then you still promote your other network as bitcoin

your not that smart and its clear what your motivations are.

all you and doomad care about is saying if anyone wants scaling they should offramp to an altnet or fork off to an altcoin

such idiot methodology to avoid scaling bitcoin

and windfury.
your fantasy mission promotion of wanting more full nodes. but less utility for those full nodes to actually use bitcoin.. is a mission that wont win.. so stop fantasising about it
if you want more fullnodes. more people need access to transactions on bitcoin to monitor.. not less
(your not going to want to monitor bitcoin 24/7 if your funds are locked and wont move for 3 months)

have one independant thought not cast down on you by institutional influencers
you as a normal working man with no custodial service, no institutional level customer base..
you have been advocating you want bitcoin to be just for institutional/custodial reserve usage which means you are not then able to use bitcoin onchain anytime you like for yourself
ask yourself why are you shooting yourself in the foot being coaxed to use another network.

why are you saying you want to stop yourself from having the freedom of using onchain anytime for yourself

I must say while I get that Elon is a public figure and has a lot of influence I don't get his involvement in crypto. Yes, he backs doge coin as a 'funny' coin but he's no expert in the field and I don't see why everyone hangs on every word he says.

Sure, he has got BTC, ETH and DOGE but who doesn't own crypto these days... I just don't agree with him becoming a figure for crypto when there's so much more to it than just holding a coin and tweeting about it.

This is July 22 already and I don't think anything they might have to say is influencing anything anymore. I have not even been getting acquainted with any information related to him as I am not interested. Either the talk comes up or not, bitcoin is here to stay despite how they try to manipulate their follower nor the market.

Many people do not care about Elon Musk already because how he impacted Bitcoin prices that affected and loses billions of dollars in trading. I understand the frustration. But then, I believe we can take an advantage on riding the prices whenever what Elon Musk is talking about in his twitter. Maybe we can just go with the flow and take profit.  ;D

The meeting has helped to switch the market sentiment to a more bullish one. It may not be the only reason we are seeing green now, but it certainly helped. With this in mind we should hope to see more of these gatherings in the future and perhaps invite other Bitcoiners like Plan B, Pomp, the w twins, CZ etc..

I think Elon's take was very practical and something that is perhaps lost on many without business experience in the Bitcoin community.  There is a problem with block congestion that hasn't been addressed well with a layer-1 solution.  From Tesla's perspective, they're fine with people storing a certain amount of their funds on Coinbase and using Coinbase to make everyday transactions with vendors.  That's a solution that works for them.  It isn't ideal for Bitcoin, but for many businessman this is a better solution than using a second layer because there is accountability instead of trust.

Crypto investors gave too much power to Musk and now it's too late. The guy will keep using and abusing the status given to him. That is a very negative point for bitcoin investment, at least on short run, because personally I don't want my investment hostage of an individual. The market should be driven by many different investors' actions and not by a single man's tweets that change opinions every few days.

It's clear as crystal Elon plays with his audience. Since the beginning he could have said he would accept bitcoin as payment method in Tesla if sustainable energy used in mining process was superior to 50%. He didn't need to start accepting it, then stop accepting it to finally say he would check the numbers. That is not a professional or responsible behavior. Avoid people like that.

I believe, the conference really did have a positive impact in the market. Maybe people are gaining confidence again towards crypto. But I do agree, we need real crypto experts to be in this conference, because they know the ins and outs already and they can very well explain it to the public. Though Musk and Dorsey are pro-crypto, yet, they are not the right people to talk about crypto in more in depth discussions.

He is playing along and his ultimate motive is to make money and he is doing that, anything he says in the cryptocurrency market i am not taking it seriously.

And what is wrong with that? If I was in Elon's position, and if I could influence millions of people and manipulate the stocks and cryptocurrencies, then I would do the same as well. The fault lies with the retarded people who blindly believes him. Look at how these idiots rushed to invest in Dogecoin, after Elon made a couple of tweets mentioning that coin. The fact that Doge was created to mock the entire idea of cryptocurrency didn't discouraged any of them to make huge investments with that shitcoin. So who is to blame here exactly?

this two are just business men trying to make more profits from bitcoin and other alt coins, i dont really take Elon Musk too serious when it comes to cryptocurrency analysis and he does is to make tweets with the intent of manipulating market price.
so they meeting make no sense to me as it will not help the improvement of the bitcoin network

Crypto investors gave too much power to Musk and now it's too late. The guy will keep using and abusing the status given to him. That is a very negative point for bitcoin investment, at least on short run, because personally I don't want my investment hostage of an individual. The market should be driven by many different investors' actions and not by a single man's tweets that change opinions every few days.
It's clear as crystal Elon plays with his audience. Since the beginning he could have said he would accept bitcoin as payment method in Tesla if sustainable energy used in mining process was superior to 50%. He didn't need to start accepting it, then stop accepting it to finally say he would check the numbers. That is not a professional or responsible behavior. Avoid people like that.

What’s too late? Read all the posts in the topic. I believe NOT ONE of those posts are sympathetic towards Elon Musk after the trolling he did.

I also believe that Elon is still going through a Bitcoin journey of his own. He’ll be changing his own opinions as he does the work in researching different Bitcoin topics, especially technical and development topics.

Do you think we could measure the influence Elon Musk has regards bitcoin by bitcointalk forum's posts? It's normal his influence will be near to zero on this forum, since it's a bitcoin community and anything or anyone harming it won't find any support here. But the crypto market goes much beyond bitcointalk forum and there are a lot of people who are, unfortunatelly, sympathetic to him.

I think he had already a lot of informations about these topics before, otherwise he wouln't adopt bitcoin as payment method in Tesla at first point. His actions are more likely from a market speculator rather than a bitcoin apprentice.

I really dislike this cult of personality bullshit. Bitcoin doesn't need these people. They have far too much star power. This can be used to manipulate the market. They can send a FUD tweet out, while short 100X then go 100X long and send a positive tweet. rinse / repeat.

I really dislike this cult of personality bullshit. Bitcoin doesn't need these people. They have far too much star power. This can be used to manipulate the market. They can send a FUD tweet out, while short 100X then go 100X long and send a positive tweet. rinse / repeat.

True. Elon Musk and Jack Dorsey control the Bitcoin market with Twitter. If Twitter was deleted the next day, watch how different the market will be afterwards.