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Title: This scammer is selling the merits of Bitcointalk..
Post by: ScamViruS on July 17, 2021, 06:15:37 AM
This user is trying to sell Merit, which of course violates the rules of Bitcointalk. Newbie members of Bitcointalk need to understand that merit is not a thing to buy and sell. Those who do such activities are scammers and their main purpose is to scam people by showing greed. There are many on Bitcoin who do not get merit because their post is not eligible for merit, as a result of which they may fall victim to such scams for some merit.

Profile:  Susianjery22 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=832258)

Thread Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5349685.0

Archive: https://archive.is/agNYs


Title: Re: This scammer is selling the merits of Bitcointalk..
Post by: Charles-Tim on July 17, 2021, 07:02:03 AM
Never mind this reply. I do not think creating a thread for a newbie account is necessary. I saw the account has been tagged before, you and I too tagged the account because merit selling should be forbidden. You can also report the thread for deletion while also making comment in case, on the thread. I think that is perfectly enough in this case.


Title: Re: This scammer is selling the merits of Bitcointalk..
Post by: lovesmayfamilis on July 17, 2021, 07:26:44 AM
However, to sell merit, it must come from somewhere. Right? It means that the one who sells has an account from which he can send these merits. We don't know who it is.
I want Susianjery22 to mean that those people who turn to him for purchase can also be members of the DT to quickly detect the fraud.
Susianjery22 be afraid because in the end your account will be tagged. You better forget about your dirty idea.


Title: Re: This scammer is selling the merits of Bitcointalk..
Post by: ScamViruS on July 17, 2021, 08:25:09 AM
Never mind this reply. I do not think creating a thread for a newbie account is necessary. I saw the account has been tagged before, you and I too tagged the account because merit selling should be forbidden. You can also report the thread for deletion while also making comment in case, on the thread. I think that is perfectly enough in this case.

This thread is also important for newbie. They tend to use different shortcuts to get merit and even become interested in buying because of their limited knowledge about merit. There is also a need to create such threads like mine to not only delete such merit selling threads by reporting but also to warn newbies.

I think newbies need to be more careful to be more interested in using their talents without being attracted to any forbidden things.


Title: Re: This scammer is selling the merits of Bitcointalk..
Post by: AhmadM on July 17, 2021, 10:43:47 AM
Unless the seller either,
1. Have any intention to scam (either the seller don't have any spare sMerit or protect other account).
Looks like so, all of his exposed alt accounts are newbies - reference (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2544574.msg49742583#msg49742583)

2. Using account which already tagged, which means more tag won't affect the seller.
Yup, he keeps continuing his merit sale attempt even create another topic on different board - Merit Sale (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5349686.0) (archive (https://ninjastic.space/post/57478388))

If he really has a higher forum account (which have sMerit) then both all of those alts and his telegram contact are disposable accounts.


Title: Re: This scammer is selling the merits of Bitcointalk..
Post by: Obito on July 17, 2021, 01:14:30 PM
There's a big player in this scheme because the accused is a newbie that doesn't have any merits for themselves meaning that the person that is trying to sell merits is probably someone that is confident that he/she won't get caught from it because either the person behind is a quality poster or too reputable to be questioned with how they are sending their merits. Even if this is a scam, there's a likely chance that someone is really trying to sell merits out there.


Title: Re: This scammer is selling the merits of Bitcointalk..
Post by: cryptoaddictchie on July 17, 2021, 01:23:06 PM
I really dont understand why some members are buying merits. Obviously they will rank up when garnier a lot of merits but isnt it much convenient to post something useful and has some quality to get merit right?

Probably he got a lot of hig rank members who still have plenty of airdrop merits and these are the accounts he ia using for trading merits.

There's a big player in this scheme because the accused is a newbie that doesn't have any merits for themselves meaning that the person that is trying to sell merits is probably someone that is confident that he/she won't get caught from it because either the person behind is a quality poster or too reputable to be questioned with how they are sending their merits.
Quite curious to why have you come up with this. You mean like a syndicate? I believe he just probably bought some account with merits and trying to sell it back.



Title: Re: This scammer is selling the merits of Bitcointalk..
Post by: Beparanf on July 17, 2021, 01:37:29 PM
I really dont understand why some members are buying merits. Obviously they will rank up when garnier a lot of merits but isnt it much convenient to post something useful and has some quality to get merit right?

Probably he got a lot of hig rank members who still have plenty of airdrop merits and these are the accounts he ia using for trading merits.


It's very hard to rank up for people who didn't have much creativity on constructing a merit deserving post. The main target here are those newbie and other low rank user who's struggling on getting merit.

Only few low rank member are successfully ranking in synchronised to there activity growth since most of the merit from merit source are being distribute to all high rank member that creating constructive post. A normal crypto people here that just regularly replying on a general discussion thread will not gonna rank up.  :D


Title: Re: This scammer is selling the merits of Bitcointalk..
Post by: mindrust on July 17, 2021, 01:51:38 PM
I really dont understand why some members are buying merits. Obviously they will rank up when garnier a lot of merits but isnt it much convenient to post something useful and has some quality to get merit right?


They buy merits because they don't know how to speak English properly or knowledge-wise they don't have anything to add the forum, therefore it is almost impossible for them to rank up naturally. Ranking-up and posting good stuff may look easy to you but there are many people that don't even understand what bitcoin is and still want to post here because of the sig camps.


Title: Re: This scammer is selling the merits of Bitcointalk..
Post by: coin-investor on July 18, 2021, 12:39:39 AM
It's not only on Bitcontalk, but there are also on Fiverr two years ago I used to see a lot of sellers of course not to mention on social media like Facebook groups that are related to Cryptocurrency and Bitcointalk, this should not be tolerated I have seen a lot of users here with very good posts but are not getting merits and poor posts with merits, scammers are the one using this method to stabilize their reputation.


Title: Re: This scammer is selling the merits of Bitcointalk..
Post by: Obito on July 18, 2021, 05:06:08 AM
~snip
Quite curious to why have you come up with this. You mean like a syndicate? I believe he just probably bought some account with merits and trying to sell it back.
Not a syndicate but probably you could say it that way since it works that way too but I think there is only one person. But now that you mentioned that it could be a syndicate then there's a possibility that there's more than just one big fish behind all this or some shit. Or you could be right that this person is just working alone.


Title: Re: This scammer is selling the merits of Bitcointalk..
Post by: cryptoaddictchie on July 18, 2021, 05:54:47 AM
Ranking-up and posting good stuff may look easy to you but there are many people that don't even understand what bitcoin is and still want to post here because of the sig camps.
This is the problem. They go here in forum to use the account not for discussion but merely for money making. I assume they bought merit for the sake of ranking up and joining signature campaign on some bounty projects. I understand they will proceed with that method but should not done in here. Forum is a sacred place for discussion, hoping these buy and sell of merits would stop any time soon.

Or you could be right that this person is just working alone.
This is just an assumption. But I am likely confident  that he just work alone.


Title: Re: This scammer is selling the merits of Bitcointalk..
Post by: Charles-Tim on July 18, 2021, 06:10:01 AM
This is the problem. They go here in forum to use the account not for discussion but merely for money making. I assume they bought merit for the sake of ranking up and joining signature campaign on some bounty projects. I understand they will proceed with that method but should not done in here. Forum is a sacred place for discussion, hoping these buy and sell of merits would stop any time soon.
It is also very possible that Susianjery22 is not after selling merits, it may be after just to scam anyone that is not acquainted to this forum. Newbies can be easily scammed, many of them do not know about escrow service, while escrow providers on this forum will not likely accept this type of offer, this leaves newbies at the most chances to be scammed. There is nothing scammers can not think about, his/her plan can just be to scam without selling any merit.


Title: Re: This scammer is selling the merits of Bitcointalk..
Post by: ScamViruS on July 18, 2021, 08:29:57 AM
It's not only on Bitcontalk, but there are also on Fiverr two years ago I used to see a lot of sellers of course not to mention on social media like Facebook groups that are related to Cryptocurrency and Bitcointalk, this should not be tolerated I have seen a lot of users here with very good posts but are not getting merits and poor posts with merits, scammers are the one using this method to stabilize their reputation.

There are still plenty of sellers who are promoting using different ways to sell merit. Most of them make fake claims, in reality they have no smerit. Their main purpose is to scam newbies. And for those who are so eager to buy merit, it is normal for them to be victims of scams.

Yup, he keeps continuing his merit sale attempt even create another topic on different board - Merit Sale (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5349686.0) (archive (https://ninjastic.space/post/57478388))

He will continue to do this until his account is banned. And he will do his best to scam those who are interested in merit buying. I have seen a lot of such users before, as long as the newbies are not alert, these scammers will continue their activities.


Title: Re: This scammer is selling the merits of Bitcointalk..
Post by: UmerIdrees on July 18, 2021, 08:55:25 AM
There's a big player in this scheme because the accused is a newbie that doesn't have any merits for themselves meaning that the person that is trying to sell merits is probably someone that is confident that he/she won't get caught from it because either the person behind is a quality poster or too reputable to be questioned with how they are sending their merits. Even if this is a scam, there's a likely chance that someone is really trying to sell merits out there.

There is no way to know who is behind this ?  The only way to know that potential high rank account, is to first buy merit from this person and then see  from which account he give merit and then expose that account. The newbie account is just useless and he wont care if it gets ban too.
I am sure no one will risk this and not buy from this person. Leave these scammers on their own and hopefully soon their smerits will be exhausted .  >:(


Title: Re: This scammer is selling the merits of Bitcointalk..
Post by: hugeblack on July 18, 2021, 09:38:03 AM
My personal opinion about this topic: unless the sale of sMerits involved merit sources or using many accounts (those created by the merit system) is free for you to act in your own merits.

Sell it is something against trust and is better to get a negative trust.
Personally I will not give any negative trust for that (in normal status) because you will need to continue making high-quality topics to continue to get more sMerits and is the primary of the creation of the merit system. start spamming = ban.


Title: Re: This scammer is selling the merits of Bitcointalk..
Post by: yahoo62278 on July 18, 2021, 10:59:46 AM
Selling merits is about the same as selling accounts. It's not illegal but frowned upon in the community. I get why people buy them, fast and easy way to rank up, but fast n easy way to screw yourself if caught.

Why risk it? Just improve your post quality and watch the merits start flying in. Heck i'm sitting with nearly 400 merits to hand out. If you're close to ranking up, shoot me a pm and ask that I have a look at your post history. I may toss out a few merits and help out.


Title: Re: This scammer is selling the merits of Bitcointalk..
Post by: FIFA worldcup on July 18, 2021, 11:12:25 AM
Selling merits is about the same as selling accounts. It's not illegal but frowned upon in the community. I get why people buy them, fast and easy way to rank up, but fast n easy way to screw yourself if caught.

Why risk it? Just improve your post quality and watch the merits start flying in. Heck i'm sitting with nearly 400 merits to hand out. If you're close to ranking up, shoot me a pm and ask that I have a look at your post history. I may toss out a few merits and help out.

The only reason why people buy merits or accounts is their laziness and they do not have skill to write quality posts.

By the way, I am quite close to rank up. Thanks for your offer.  :)


Title: Re: This scammer is selling the merits of Bitcointalk..
Post by: onecall123 on July 18, 2021, 03:00:17 PM
While knowing that this forum has a lot of members committed to making sure to keep spammers, abusers out, why do so few members act in this stupid manner? There is something strange about some members who will never give up something they love to do. We had account sellers before but when merit system was implemented, we now have merit sellers. Ah, nice! Therefore, action should be taken.


Title: Re: This scammer is selling the merits of Bitcointalk..
Post by: The Cryptovator on July 18, 2021, 05:32:41 PM
Sadly there are no rules for merit buy/sell, it's just the same as account farming and selling. The rules about merit sell are limited for merit sources. Merit sources aren't allowed to sell their merits anyway. I don't think anyone intends to sell merit they don't have really anything. So it's just a scam method. The good thing is merit sell thread has been trashed by moderators. I don't know why users attempt to buy merit where they could earn it from here just by little effort.


Title: Re: This scammer is selling the merits of Bitcointalk..
Post by: The Sceptical Chymist on July 18, 2021, 05:58:34 PM
I do not think creating a thread for a newbie account is necessary.
It's probably not, but since there hasn't been one like it in a long time it's probably not a horrible idea either.  If there are any newcomers to the forum or anyone else reading this who's thinking about selling merits, this is a pretty good warning.

As far as the Susianjery22 account is concerned, my guess is that the negative trust won't affect it that much since it already had a DT negative on it from 2019, and that one accused Susianjery22 of having a whole bunch of alt accounts.  I'm pretty sure there are more that were mentioned in the trust feedback, too, since the accounts of farmers are like cockroaches--where there's one visible, there are probably 1000 hiding out in the cracks.

I don't think anyone intends to sell merit they don't have really anything.
It's possible if someone either farmed a bunch of accounts years ago or bought one or more of them that they'd have some merits to sell.  The account in question here registered in 2016, which was well before the merit system existed.  Whoever owns the Susianjery22 account may well have other, higher-ranked accounts from years ago that would have had sMerits airdropped to them in 2018 (and while improbable, there could be some earned sMerits as well).  You just never know.


Title: Re: This scammer is selling the merits of Bitcointalk..
Post by: Charles-Tim on July 18, 2021, 07:08:06 PM
It's probably not, but since there hasn't been one like it in a long time it's probably not a horrible idea either.  If there are any newcomers to the forum or anyone else reading this who's thinking about selling merits, this is a pretty good warning.
Yes, I perfectly agree to this. It will also really be good for the newbies to know that buying merits does not mean they will not be banned, also that they can be scammed. This will truly serves as warning.


Title: Re: This scammer is selling the merits of Bitcointalk..
Post by: Kittygalore on July 19, 2021, 08:10:45 AM
It's probably not, but since there hasn't been one like it in a long time it's probably not a horrible idea either.  If there are any newcomers to the forum or anyone else reading this who's thinking about selling merits, this is a pretty good warning.
I think that it's a good one too plus, there should be a mandatory kind of house rules in the forum that any newbie should be redirected or have to read first before engaging in the forum.


Title: Re: This scammer is selling the merits of Bitcointalk..
Post by: FIFA worldcup on July 20, 2021, 04:25:45 AM
The good thing is merit sell thread has been trashed by moderators.


Even though mods deleted the selling thread, i have seen he has created another thread in Digital goods sections.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5349686.msg57478388#msg57478388

Perhaps he is getting orders, otherwise why would he keep on making new threads  ???


Title: Re: This scammer is selling the merits of Bitcointalk..
Post by: Igebotz on July 20, 2021, 08:12:28 AM
...snip..
Good catch but the bad news is that you just rebroadcast his services advert again to keep him in business of scamming those who didn't see the original thread(link down anyway) Op I think the mistake was to include his working telegram link, there is 80% possibility that this thread would get more click and views than the original thread. Imho the telegram link is not necessary.


Title: Re: This scammer is selling the merits of Bitcointalk..
Post by: ScamViruS on July 20, 2021, 11:30:16 AM
Good catch but the bad news is that you just rebroadcast his services advert again to keep him in business of scamming those who didn't see the original thread(link down anyway) Op I think the mistake was to include his working telegram link, there is 80% possibility that this thread would get more click and views than the original thread. Imho the telegram link is not necessary.

Sharing a scammer's telegram link should not be a problem. I have opened this thread to expose him and to warn those who are interested in such a deal. If anyone interacts with that user even after this post, it will be very frustrating. Because there has been a lot of discussion here about its bad aspects.

Still, I respect your advice, and I'm removing the telegram link.


Title: Re: This scammer is selling the merits of Bitcointalk..
Post by: JohnBitCo on July 20, 2021, 12:47:36 PM
...snip..
Good catch but the bad news is that you just rebroadcast his services advert again to keep him in business of scamming those who didn't see the original thread(link down anyway) Op I think the mistake was to include his working telegram link, there is 80% possibility that this thread would get more click and views than the original thread. Imho the telegram link is not necessary.

Do you think that after so many warnings and discussion, people will still approach the merit seller scammer for the merits ? If that is the mentality of the people, then i am afraid it will be their fault if they are scammed or exposed of merit buying.


Title: Re: This scammer is selling the merits of Bitcointalk..
Post by: GeorgeJohn on July 24, 2021, 02:23:07 PM
It's obvious that the account is alternative account, normally selling of merit is prohibited according to the rules and regulations of bitcointalk community, right now, i think all eyes have to be on the account and also observe very well for his main account were is channelling his main account Smerit, because when looking at this altitude very well it's absolutely abusing of merit system from my perspective or observation, note: all newbies have to take precautions on their post if really they want to earn a merit, the only strategy that make user to earn a merit is posting quality, and understanding before responding to any post.


Title: Re: This scammer is selling the merits of Bitcointalk..
Post by: BITCOIN4X on July 24, 2021, 06:24:54 PM
It's obvious that the account is alternative account, normally selling of merit is prohibited according to the rules and regulations of bitcointalk community, right now, i think all eyes have to be on the account and also observe very well for his main account were is channelling his main account Smerit, because when looking at this altitude very well it's absolutely abusing of merit system from my perspective or observation, note: all newbies have to take precautions on their post if really they want to earn a merit, the only strategy that make user to earn a merit is posting quality, and understanding before responding to any post.
I believe that only users who are unable to post high-quality are the criteria for users who are most likely to purchase the merit. Therefore, one way of tracking that can be done is by tracing the history of the latest merit transaction (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=recent) and someone will find irregularities there if they find shipping transaction that end in low-quality post. This is my guess that the merit seller will most likely do.