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Last night, when in "The BTC word" between jack, Elon and Ark, Elon has said TESLA will re-accept bitcoin once he confirms by himself about it.


Elon also revealed some of his crypto investment, he invested in Bitcoin, Ethereum and Dogecoin.


While TESLA has announced they have invested $1.5 billion in bitcoin back then, price was skyrocket after that. And now we knows, even SpaceX and Elon himself have bought/invested in Bitcoin too.

Ready for pump anyone? BTC

Source: https://cryptobriefing.com/elon-musk-confirms-tesla-will-re-accept-bitcoin/

Nobody gives a crap about Elon Musk and Tesla anymore. He has lost all his credibility, bitcoin price didn't move at all despite some people trying to hype things up over the past 12 hours; the shitcoins he advertises are also no longer showing any reaction to his pump attempts.

Thank you for the information..
although many people no longer believe in Elon Musk, but from some aspects we see, information about TESLA will accept bitcoin back and will have an impact on bitcoin's growth in the future, even though the effect is 50:50. I think the 50:50 score is huge and perfect. so now we'll see how many altcoins are pumping up once this information gets around.

Look, fact of the matter is that even after they announced that, the market simply did not move that much. BTC didn't even climb by more than double digits.

The biggest reason for that is because markets have already priced in the majority of what Elon said in anticipation, imo.

I still think that we are in a mid-term downtrend right now, given that there is a lot of market fatigue with hype and institutional adoption. And until the next halving, I seriously don't feel like there will be any legitimate shot of us breaking out of the $30k-$40k range.

It seems to me that you explained it better in the other post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5350505.msg57515783#msg57515783).

We don't care what Musk says, because we know that Bitcoin is going to go up in the long run due to its intrinsic properties. What happens is that some people do get influenced by what he says or doesn't say, and that adds volatility in the short term.

Who cares about His BS ? Elon Musk is already Gone from Us Bitcoin believer and i don't think that there will be another Impact at all.

Stupid People might conclude once more that It is the word of Elon Musk that's why Bitcoin recovered again to 30k level when it was dumped down recently .

But Do i care? NO and Never.

What Musk said is no longer valid. I feel very happy. I will never buy any Tesla or Elon products in my life. I think that the price of Bitcoin has fallen because people want him to say it is feasible-he said he will accept more than 50%, and its renewable rate has reached 56%.

We just broke support (31k) and were 1k $ from breaking the dip (28,8k) - last hope from TA point of view, when everyone was losing hope, when fear/greed index was at 10 (it wasnt lower than 10 since covid panic sell) ... and suddenly 10% pump yesterday on a decent volume. Thats not "did not move that much" its important bounce at crucial price level. I'm not saying that its because of Musk. Fuck him and his "maybe we will accept BTC" ... I can buy tesla, whatever i want, using Bitcoin via binance card with 5% cashback. I don't need him to accept BTC. I'm just saying that we've seen decent pump yesterday in crucial point from Technical analysis point of view right when everyone was shitting pents.

Did you watch his talk in the B-Word with Jack Dorsey? I believe he expressed his real viewpoint about Bitcoin, and it was OK for me. He has the same viewpoint like many of us in the community.

https://www.thebword.org/c/track-2-Bitcoin-As-A-Tool-For-Economic-Empowerment

He acknowledged LN as an improvement, but he is also open to bigger blocks to scale onchain, which he is obviously in his own journey of learning.

He has said all positive things about Bitcoin, no trolling.

There’s a video posted, and he said,


https://twitter.com/therationalroot/status/1417928935090925573

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His credibility has disappeared, even though he once again announced that Tesla accepts Bitcoin payments, which went from $28,000 to the current $32,159.

This is his own game. I will not pay for his game again.

It's interesting that he admitted to holding Dogecoin. I wonder if he can be prosecuted for obvious manipulation of the DOGE market?
How are these things regulated in the U.S.?

Tesla ahs been proven less efficient as what they are promoting and this even has a Weak security as the Window just broke when the testing happens so what the F@ck people are still talking about this when the truth is they are not really bringing what promised supposed to be?
and they are just Playing with Cryptocurrencies and fooling people inside as they know how much money are circling this area.
Elon Mush had already forgotten by the community and i don't know why this is still gaining such thread.
Interesting fact , So obviously all this time that He is Shilling about Dogecoin and he is one of the Manipulators that brings the value Mooning recently?

It's because he has his narrative when he first invested on bitcoin an suddenly made a U-turn about it. Specially his argument about renewable energy and shit and he was totally wrong about it.

But I will echo the sentiments of most posters here, he is no longer relevant, his influence has wane out. Doesn't have the power to move the market with his tweets.

Well, get ready your bitcoins boys and girls because there will definitely be a pump happening and I don't think that anyone wants to miss the opportunity to make money out of it because that's an opportunity that might arrive again for a really long time.

Without Elon Musk bitcoin will increase as time goes on, to me he is a great guy who is able to take advantage of his fame to manipulate the price of bitcoin. he says holding doge because he thinks the current price has dip and wants to make big profit again in short time.

Can the previous discussion be considered official? The tweets on Twitter and the news are considered official, but yesterday there was a friendly discussion in which the man gave a clear perception of bitcoin, which is better than the perception of many beginners who support Bitcoin (Buy Bitcoin to become rich in the future.)

Tesla's acceptance of the payments would be a victory for it as it forced some accepting miners to switch to clean energies.

They will start a hype again in the market just to dump when they're already satisfied on their profits.. Perhaps no one will believe on them this time because its very obvious they're the only one who can benefits on it after the manipulation . Indeed they already did that to bitcoin and doge now they will re-accept bitcoin for what? No mate that's another trap for sure. Lol

This is my thinking, it’s like the boy who cried wolf. Eventually after creating multiple drama lots of times, people start to ignore him. I don’t think his comments will have much of an effect on price now, neither negative not positive which is good. Bitcoin is decentralised, no masters or chiefs, Elon needs to learn that.

Pump?! Just because of Elon Musk? No. Not any longer. As said, he has lost most of his credibility.
Also I guess that's not only me keeping an eye on the hash rate.

So... yeah... we'll need "a little bit" more than just Elon Musk saying something if we want to see a proper pump.

And I think it's time that we troll Elon, Lol, he lost his credibility to the bitcoin market and even if he tells that he holds btc personally, I doubt that it will have enough impact to the market.

Someone should be telling him in his tweeter account that he can't be longer called bitcoin influencer. He doesn't have it anymore. And regardless if he is going to re-accept bitcoin in the future, it doesn't change anything.

Well, it looks like that is the reason why Bitcoin did rise yesterday from around $29,000 to around $32,000 :D.
This might be a proof that Musk's influence is still there :D.
Is this a proof that he might still have power to pump and dump the market. :D.

As for me, right from the start when he involved himself into crypto I don't really give a shit about him and all of what he said. There is no need to be ready with Tesla re-accepting it because his credibility is gone. He's done. He's over. Now that he is done, maybe we will just wait for another powerful person to pump and dump the market again :D.

The fact that you and I are not believing or giving a damn what this guy says doesn't mean he has lost all his credibility in the world, we are just droplets and even all the users on this forum are just a few out of billions. He can still move the markets at ease and you can see that just the rumors of him not being so much anti bitcoin have helped the market from a 29.3 to 32.8, this was all because of that conference and let's be honest if Musk wouldn't have been a guest it wouldn't have had even 1% of the coverage it got.

I haven't watched one minute of Oprah, and I will not even if that's the only clip left on the web but still, I can't deny that one word from that woman could make the shitiest item sell in millions. Same with Musk, for us it might not matter anymore but for the masses it does, as unfortunate as it is.

And look even on this forum, even though people don't like it they still read the news about him, they still criticize him they still care!

I watched the show from the first minute, and for a few hours before the start, the price was above $32 000 - so I don’t think EM had any impact on the price, at least not with what he said. The market simply recovered after another drop below $30k, so although the whole show may have had a positive pre-effect, nothing happened during or after the end - we will have to wait for investors to return from vacation and watch the video ;)

I'm also not a fan of Elon Musk, nor am I one of the altcoin trader he promote. But it seem that not all of his credibility is lost just because of his negative opinion about bitcoin some time ago. I have a feeling people would still attribute whatever Elon Musk said as a basis for scavenging a few dollar on price fluctuation. I don't hate him as a big investor in bitcoin, but I do regret his inconsistent and volatile behavior has made people hate him.

Now many people maybe are starting to change their assumption about Elon after he started talking about bitcoin yesterday. We might see a bit of an increased market reaction though not entirely because of that Elon Musk.

Regarding Musk's statements, it seems to me that you have to be very careful, because you may want to take that belief in him again, after his statements many attribute a rise in the price of BTC, it may have been because of it, because Elon Musk still has many followers, but even so when he made FUD to BTC that marks at least those who will never betray BTC, however in the market everything is possible, the article talks about his statements and how he helped the BTC market :

https://i.imgur.com/YMQX2VL.png

Source: https://cryptobriefing.com/bitcoin-ethereum-rise-as-elon-musk-reveals-allocations/ (https://cryptobriefing.com/bitcoin-ethereum-rise-as-elon-musk-reveals-allocations/)

In my personal opinion, I would not trust Elon Musk much despite, it should be noted that he makes very cunning movements and it is difficult to reveal what his real intentions are.

Over the course of the past few months, between flip-flopping tweets/statements about Bitcoin, and endless pumping of a joke coin, Musk has lost credibility in crypto. It's still big news that SpaceX owns Bitcoin, as it once again affirms that plenty of private companies own bitcoin so bitcoin as a store of value for corporations goes far deeper than just the three public US companies we know of. But Musk is no longer the catalyst to drive insane market moves, which is a good thing.

There's also that sentiment is negative right now so good news is less likely to have a big impact on the market.

But it does feel like price is bottoming now that it has been scraping along $30k recently. The Musk statements about Tesla and SpaceX and his own investments in relation to Bitcoin will probably do a tiny bit to firm up $30k as the bottom which has already seemed to be the case for the past two months.

I don't expect a pump but I do suspect we've hit the halfway point of this crash and then next ~2 months will be bitcoin gaining strength in this $30,000s range and building back up getting ready to break out over $40k in September.

There was no significant change in the results of their talks after they were held. it should be that if Elon has a sizable amount of assets in Bitcoin we see a night increase for Bitcoin of at least 5%. but still under $32K.

Well, literally, Elon certainly hasn't pulled out some of his follower pushers to dump and pump like he often does. It will be very dangerous if the crypto market continues to rely on irresponsible tweets.

I'm no longer interested in all of Elon's statements and just think it's normal...

Of course, the price of BTC will be bullish again if positive news on Bitcoin continues to form, especially with the latest news from Elon and Tesla. market manipulators will definitely try to take advantage of this situation.

I never know what he will do with his new move although I don't want him anymore because not a true follower if Elon Musk is always inconsistent and ends up being a troll.

With that conversation I don't think there will be a better impact even though he said he still holds btc and will receive btc back at Tesla, will this be the assumption of the next pump with his next tweet?

My opinion won't have a big impact on Elon Musk's future pumping, I'd like to know how Tesla officially announces that it's accepting bitcoin again.

the ups and downs of the current bitcoin price have a balance, the price in one day rose 5% and fell about 5%. I think this is a slight change from last week. the changes are not too significant, but this can be a reference in the future, whether the effect is due to Ulon Musk's tweet or not. for sure the price of bitcoin has started to improve.

It may be helpful for the market to recover. But I'm not sure whether it could affect the market on a large scale like before. And I'm not surprised to hear about his personal investments. It's not hard to guess that he has these coins. The market is already on the rise but we don't know whether it's related to this.

At this point, anything related to Tesla or Elon Musk is probably just market manipulation by the CEO of the EV company. His remarks on the regarding renewable energy is really just the wolf hiding in sheep's clothing, and I don't think has any real bearing on his reasons as to why Tesla suddenly stopped accepting bitcoin for their electric vehicles. Only a few people cares about him at this point, and there will come a time when Elon Musk no longer has any influence on any market in the cryptocurrency world.

I didn't know that SpaceX also owned Bitcoin. I've heard only that SpaceX started to accept DOGE for its mission. So they own DOGE. Re-accepting Bitcoin would help a pump in the price maybe. Elon Musk could help the market recover sooner than we expect.

Let's see If Elon can still manipulate the minds of the investors after his inconsistency towards Cryptocurrency and Bitcoin.
This has been expected by the old adopters. Elon will talk something bad about Bitcoin to pull the price down and then this.
Well, rich people is really crazy when we're talking about controlling the mass investors to make more money out of them.
I noticed a little bounce, but could it really pump again? Lol

I kinda agreed with this one. Despite we don't like Elon, whatever he did (well he was shilling with DOGE only IMO) because of that B talk and he revealed himself has invested in bitcoin, it helped bitcoin price goes higher and broke $30,000 (now even $32000).

Exactly my opinion, as I said traders or at least a part of them thought that him agreeing to join the conference and coming after not being so much focused on the negative sides and even backtracking on previous statements might lead to some better news, there were a lot of speculations about him saying that Tesla will again accept BTC and even here on this forum there were voices that said the same. After he agreed to talk and share opinions with BMC and the announcements coming from those about renewable energy people hoped for more. It didn't turn out to be that good but it wasn't bad either, so here we are!

Imagine he would have said Tesla has already sold all their coins and doesn't plan on buying back...

The crypto market did not react positively after the conference, should I once again write that the price of BTC was above $32K at the time the conference started? The market would recover as many times before and without what EM said, therefore it is completely wrong to say that the price jumped 10% due to something EM said.

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He is not stupid in rejecting an investment that will very likely bring him billions of dollars in profits. Imagine what would have happened if he had said that his companies would invest a few more billion dollars in BTC by the end of the year - I bet now the price would be at least $40k+ - but such a statement doesn't make sense if you want to buy cheap, right?

although it doesn't seem like much has changed at the moment, I think when Tesla gets back to accepting bitcoin, the price will go back up again. but I don't know whether the price can reach the new ATH or not. nowadays quite a lot of people are aware that the price of bitcoin is like being controlled by Elon Musk. well, he looks like he needs to invest more. right now the power of his words didn't make much of a difference.

No, it will not pump the market, the bull run is already over, but I think it has a good effect on the future of crypto.

The thing is, Elon ruined his reputation already, and it's still too early for people to forget that he is a shill and will continue to be a shill.
if people are interested and follow the hype, the market could have pump now, but unfortunately, we are not seeing that yet and we will not see it soon.

I don't think that I would consider myself ready, I feel like I don't have enough bitcoin yet that I can sell when the next pump where to ever happen. Also, I don't think that we would see a big pump given how we are seeing Elon as an antagonist in this market with his past manipulation.

Regardless of how many users like and dislike Elon, maybe it's good for me to mediate that everyone likes it or hates it because his inconsistency towards crypto will be very disappointing for some people. And the rest like it because so far he has been driving crypto growth despite the occasional mischief by dumping prices. Well, despite all that I can not comment beyond my capacity in this regard.

Well at the beginning he also wasn't trolling or spreading FUD. He seemed like a true believer then he started spreading FUD. And we know he has no issue with PoW or energy consumption otherwise he would have never bashed bitcoin while supporting its copy dogecoin.

Manipulation is his game so I'm not surprised on what actions he made in certain seasons and maybe he see that its good to enter now since the market is on recovering phase so maybe he is back on his mind games and want to hype people at this point and also we need to be careful if we follow him since he might fud again once bitcoins pump up and reach another ATH.

Too little too late, I can assure you he has missed his chance, he had a chance to replace in the mind of the people that ask stuff like when lambos? With when teslas? But his manipulation of the market has brought him a lot of enmity from the community, so it does not really matter that his businesses are accepting bitcoin if I had the money to buy a product or a service from his companies you can be sure I will pick his competitors before I touch anything that belongs to Elon.

Probably people on this forum don't take his statements in consideration when investing in crypto currency, but I fear many speculators do, otherwise bitcoin price wouldn't pump right after this Musk's participation. I don't see any other reason to justify that fluctuation besides his statements during the program. I think his influence over crypto universe is really worrying, especially over bitcoin.

It is finally a relief to know that dude invests his own money into these things, however we have no idea how much he invested, like for example if he invested a billion dollars into doge? Or was it 1000 dollars which is nothing to him? We really don't know.

Renewable energy is a mute point in crypto mining because we just use the energy we are not the ones that creates it, it is not like I go buy a coal mine and then attach a bitcoin mining rig to it, I just get electricity from whoever gives me, in this sense Elon expects people to buy solar panels and whatever to make more profit with it themselves? And use renewable energy from their own capitals? I really don't think so. Go convince the energy companies to make their own solar panel farms and then we can get it from them, I am not really in charge of where it comes from, only what I can do with it.

I believe he’s also walking his own journey like everyone who has invested in cryptocurrencies. Many started with “finding the better Bitcoin”, until it was truly understood how it worked, why, and what’s keeping the whole network together. Elon Musk has not reached that point.

As Elon Musk promoted his reliable projects, everything is always possible with bitcoin and I guess everybody is ready for next pumps. Tesla had been stating more strong words against bitcoin lately, but the story was turned in reverse then eventually we're hearing good feedbacks from them.
Let's stay tuned for more upcoming news, and hopefully that confirmation won't be revoked someday and continues to prosper.

Have the same feeling too but maybe by the end of this month, I would be all good no matter which way it goes, if it goes up, big profit and if not, then I will be able to buy more bitcoin and earn more to get a much bigger profit.

The signs are here but we need to be careful on buying when price starts to goes up, it could be temporary for now since the news about Tesla would be in hype. Just accumulate by percentage not the entire capital you got, just set by average when your purchase for additional holdings. Earning profit at huge quantities should be according to our projections, and if ever there's a huge spikes then you're luckily earning higher compared from your expectations.

Regarding the FUD from Elon, i think it was for DOGECOIN only. We know he tweeted lot of that to pump the price.
While it different with BTC, for first Elon revealed Tesla have been invested in bitcoin for $1.5 billion, sold 10% of it to prove its really liquid. Then he realized about the usage energy of bitcoin too high which he think not too good for environment, so he decided to stop accept bitcoin payment on Tesla. And now, after many people convinced him about the usage energy has been dropped, he would see it by himself and said TESLA would be accepting bitcoin again later, which i think it won't take long time anymore

The FUD and anything about manipulation will forever be associated with Elon no matter what coin he or the company will accept.

He's one of the reasons why the bitcoin's price momentum got crash during the peak although everyone benefited from it as others got a chance to bought at fairly a much cheaper price.

I don't think that more investors will react to that and a possible pump will happen once Tesla will re-accept Bitcoin. It's just another news in the crypto market.

In early stages of the prices going up, I think that it's acceptable to buy a lot even though it's uncertain that the prices will go up because as I have said, it's an early rise and if the prices did rise, you will be able to profit even if you bought at an increased price since you bought that bitcoin early.

This man's influence is dead pretty much. Even braindead investors would notice how his tweets closely manipulated the market and, not to mention, his exit with his "excuse" was pretty stupid. Maybe dead is a bit of heavy work, but it definitely has weakened. Positive effects would still come, but not as much as when they first announced that Tesla accepted Bitcoin. This is a comeback after a few weeks (or months? I forgot) of them not accepting Bitcoin, it's influence is quite different so to speak.

Investors become Elon Musk because of his so many tweets and announcement against Bitcoin, he wants to win back the community and their support by announcing that his company will re-accept Bitcoin and he also announces that he still has Bitcoin, this is the reason why Bitcoin is moving up again, if this is the road another pump and an all-time high, we really can't tell, we are still 6 months to go before the end of the year.

TESLA announced they invested $1.5 billion in BTCitcoin and then they announced selling 10% of its BTCitcoin holdings and made $101 million profit which sent the market down and for a while he was trolling the entire market and then pulled the support citing massive energy usage and those had an impact in the market and now he is again bullish and vocal about his investment  ::).

No one can tell if it's just another hypes that will turned to a much deeper dumped.

Dead bounce is also possible as there are big holders who got trapped from that last time high and the moment that they see
the market start to recover they just simply take the opportunity to break even or cut some losses if they can't wait for full recovery.

Elon's manipulation will have a little impact, this news that does not pump the market, the biggest news now is the rumors that Amazon will accept bitcoin, and it's a real hype because bitcoin has increased 12% today as of this writing per CMC. If the pump will continue, it will create a big hype and it will help the altcoins to recover again, remember that bitcoin hit $60k and had dropped 50% this month.

The damage to his reputation is done, quite honestly unless he can sign an address containing all his coins I am not going to believe he is holding any coins because his actions do not make sense otherwise, he sold that 10% to see if he could do it without crashing the market, once he knew this was the case he sold his stash and then bought again after he created a lot of FUD and the price went down, so I do not real care if Tesla is accepting bitcoin or not, he manipulated the market and made it crash so many people will make an effort to avoid his products in the future.

Who cares whether Elon Musk really owns anything, you do not care and even i do not care but anyone following him which is millions of users are his strength and so is the reason he is able to manipulate the market easily and may be in the future there will be a theory popping up calling him the Satoshi by his blind fans who jump into anything he says or tweets and swing the market is both directions :D.

His millions of followers may still worship him, but I don't think that anyone in the cryptocurrency sector takes him seriously anymore. He had his chance to earn the respect from tens of millions of cryptocurrency users and we thought that he was different from the other billionaires like Buffet and Gates. But in the end he turned out to be even worse than them. If he wanted to opposed BTC, then he could have done that from the beginning. I felt like it was a stab from behind, when he initially spoke good about Bitcoin and then reversed his stance in a few days saying that the energy consumption is too high.

Even if the cryptocurrency community won't take him seriously, that is still a million followers and even a hundred thousand of those followers can be enough to move the market plus it's not like the community is a hive mind that won't believe what Elon says, some of them will see the benefit of this trend that Elon made.

Whatever you and others said about Elon, either he manipulated the price, shilling with it, or whatever he did, remember, he was the one who make bitcoin price rose so high atm. Even if you have 1000 btc, people won't buy or even don't care about it. You and almost all people on this forum (inc me) are nothing compared Elon. He has "power" to make people believe him and then they started to buy btc and btc will be skyrocketed.

Yeah let's listen to a dude that put a car in space about renewable energy.
And Teslas still require a fossil fuel powerplant to operate.
But out of sight is out of mind.

If Elon was a true renewable energy guru then he would immediately stop tesla products from being sold in the US because only 20% of US power is renewable.

Apparently he only holds bitcoin to a higher standard

He earned the respect of crypto community but that is in the past before he shows his true identity as troll and clown.
making statements here and there with two different meaning and different approach.
He did not opposed btc completely and that is the shitest thing he does, because every word he delivers towards bitcoin is a clear strategy of cleaning his name so if at some point he detract the statements he will comes clean again because of the slight different meanings.

Whatever the announcement that they made from tesla or from Elon Musk, it's very important to do fact check in everything. Ready for pump or not, that still depends with the market because investors nowadays were to tricky about their moves.
Those news that tried to create a hype like this, has no good outcome in terms of Bitcoin's price but rather caused some panic due to main stream media news exaggeration.

If people still believe that this increase is due to Elon talking about these things then I have nothing to tell you anymore. I am not guaranteed to say that it is because of him or not, I can't give data why people end up buying bitcoin, not like we can ask every single person who bought bitcoin in the last week why they bought it. However even if, EVEN IF, it was all because of him, we should not say this, we should not talk about it, we should not give him the right to manipulate the market however he wants.

Just because this dude said bitcoin and doge is awesome we should not seen that huge increase at the time, just because he said bitcoin is bad for the planet we should not have sold it, and just because he decided to re-accept it doesn't mean we should increase it again. All of these are manipulations and allows him to tweet whatever he wants to make the most money he could.

A lot of guys in the Cryptocurrency world are tired of Elon his and that. I am just looking forward to a cryptocurrency community that doesn't give a damn about Musk's opinions on certain cryptocurrencies before they invest into or a time when his support for a crypto doesn't amount to greater accessibility.

Give up checking and skimming all the information then go with your instincts, a clown is deliberately doing a circus and borrowing our powers to make things bigger, interfering with their show will cost us a relatively large amount of money because of their popularity, instead of becoming part of the clown's network, I give up this faithful role and return to my true self. Independent of analysis and obviously the pump is not renewable by Elon Musk, it reproduces by volume, desire and belie

Why do most people think that Tesla accepting bitcoin will make bitcoin go up? I mean it is basically the bitcoin that was already bought changing hands, what makes bitcoin go up is people end up buying bitcoin and in this scenario there are nobody buying bitcoin, just bitcoin owners giving their bitcoins to Tesla instead of keeping it themselves. This is why I honestly think that Tesla accepting bitcoin is not a big news and it will not make bitcoin change anything at all, it will not even move in price at all, it is totally useless information.

There could be some people who mistake it as a bull news and end up buying bitcoin and maybe caused this increase we are seeing these days, but it is not really something that is going to really get way too much attention, it is basically a short temporary thing that people will eventually realize it is not a big deal.

I agree that his power his tremendous but at the same time the more he uses his power the more people will realize that he is manipulating the market, and obviously people that have a lot of experience in this market are not going to fall for his tricks, but there are so many newbies brought by the bull run that we experimented that they think they can earn money by following him, not understanding that Elon is just using them and will discard them as soon as he can make even more money on this market at their expense.

Not everyone is really following Elon Musk, as you said, a lot of guys are tired of him anymore, these are the people who followed him and realized that they are just riding the hype without a good future potential. Bitcoin has been successful already before Elon Musk made an announcement about Tesla's acceptance, so it should not all be attributed to Elon as there's more adoption that would result in real demand for bitcoin in the future.

And bitcoin enthusiast are not that dumb, we have seen what Elon Musk is up to so now we stay away from his tweets as we grew tired of his antics specially when he suddenly made a u-turn against BTC. So we really can't attributed the current rise of the price to him. Investors suddenly pour their money in the last 10 days resulting to a massive increased in the price. And even after his meeting with Jack Dorsey, we didn't see enough push. So lets forget about him for a second and look in the future, adoption will be coming in the next 2-5 years.

It is true that there is a lot people that are getting sick of him because they can see very clearly that he doesn't really care about this market, he only cares about himself and what he can get out of this market and while that by itself is not wrong because most traders are going to have that very same mentality, at the same time he is not above about using every single resource he has available and exploit it and this means that he's using newbies all over the market in order to increase the benefits for himself.

If Elon Musk or Tesla were the only reason to buy now or any other time it would be false.     If the market rises just for this reason its actually going to end being a sell because all that positive is just theoretical in the future and its not enough to support the price.   What Tesla actually would represent is the whole idea that any business could employ BTC in their balance sheet to some use, if thats true its a big deal and change for something that started off in someones garage as a project but so did Google and alot of other commonly used products.   I think the story for BTC is alot less managed, more volatile and prone to upset part of which is Musk and his memes being completely unreliable; I wont be surprised when he scales out at some price some of the position because it was more risk to have then he realized and he felt the pressure.
   I'm a bit cynical but I'd call it realism, he says he will use it and the environmental thing is mitigated enough and when price rises he sells enough that his balance sheet is less effected.   That would just be a company action to expect imo.

it seems that lately the market has become very sensitive, anything is why people buy or sell, I miss the times when the news did not have much impact on price, since paypal made the announcement that it would be accepting bitcoin this market started to react It's fast to any news so much and that elon musk entered the scene and managed to manipulate the market when he wanted, now came false news from amazon where it made the price increase a lot. we are in pump and dump times


now even fake news about amazon can make the price increase a lot

Valid or not, it doesn't matter. Whatever he said, not to support crypto community. Don't be too happy even he said sweet words or something promising for crypto future. I am not sure if he did it all for crypto existence, but he just tries to take advantage of crypto. He can change his mind any time, don't believe if he said to re-accept Bitcoin.

It is not a must to buy Tesla and Elon's products. I also never dream to buy them, not really necessary for me. There are a lot of car brands offering cheaper prices and using non-electric power. In my country, electric cars cannot be used since there are no public places to charge for car electric power. Spending money on Tesla will be a stupid decision.

Don't get me wrong I am not against the fact that Elon Musk is doing something that usually helps us, of course there are times when he hurt us as well but that is a bit more rare, however the fact that he is leading in most cases is not really a good thing neither for any of us, it is really a horrible situation that caused us to end up with a horrible drop when we let him do whatever he wants.

I also wouldn't want someone as crazy as him taking the charge neither, if the whole world sees bitcoin and crypto as something "yeah that Elon musk thing?" then I would be very upset about it since dude is a very spoiled brat that took whatever he wanted thanks to his daddies money, meanwhile most people I know in crypto are people who worked really hard to get where they are today.

The pump we have all been waiting for has been happening recently. But I don't know if it's related to these incidents. Because Bitcoin is not being affected by these kind of news very much anymore. The market is getting stronger every day and Bitcoin is also. I'm quite content about this rise in the market lately. And I hope to see it continuing for a long time.

I need a new car. I had hoped to wait for the cybertruck but my dodge might not survive that long. I’d probably sell it and buy a low end model 3 if they accepted Bitcoin. Since they don’t, maybe I’ll look around for some fun electric motorcycle or something to bridge my time gap. Would love to toss a coin to my Elon for a 3 though.

Why EV always mean one from Tesla? Please correct me if I am wrong. Why the other alternatives are not even considered? I know that Tesla is having a better battery technology and a higher range (524 km on a single charge). But I have checked the specs of some of the competitors, and they don't seem to be that bad. Take the case of Ford Mustang Mach-E. It's range is almost 70% of that of Model S. And the price is less than half ($36K vs $80K) of that of Model S. Also, if you are a short-distance traveler, then you can consider a hybrid vehicle such as Toyota RAV4 Prime.