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Title: Do you accept hackers’ Bitcoin donations to charitable organizations?
Post by: KevinRosa on July 24, 2021, 06:58:19 AM
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Philanthropy is often difficult to succeed due to lack of exposure and transparency, unclear accountability issues, and limited channels for accepting donations. Digital charity (using blockchain technology to promote charitable donations) provides a new solution. In the case of decentralized transactions, charitable organizations can receive donations and raise funds more efficiently.


The point is that we can clearly know the flow of Bitcoin so that we can monitor the use and destination of charitable donations, because some charities are not trustworthy.
But I will not reject the many advantages of this approach.

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The potential value of digital philanthropy

Digital philanthropy has some notable advantages for charities and donors:

Complete transparency: every digital currency transaction is traceable through blockchain data. Such a high degree of transparency and openness can encourage donors to donate, and it can also greatly improve the credibility of charities.

Globalization and decentralization: Most blockchain networks are highly decentralized. They cannot rely on a centralized government and institution to operate. Therefore, donations can be transferred directly from donors to charities . The decentralized nature of the blockchain makes global transactions simple and reliable.

Digital protocol: Blockchain makes the sharing and storage of electronic data easier, and it can also be used to ensure that important documents and contracts cannot be tampered with at will.

Reduce expenses: Blockchain technology has great potential to simplify the management of charities, automate operating procedures and reduce intermediary costs.

Reduce taxes: Take an American donor as an example. If he donates a charity fund in Bitcoin, the charity can get the full amount (because there is no need to pay taxes). In addition, donors can also apply for high tax relief from government agencies.


But in other words, I personally would not accept some of the illegal proceeds of hackers for charity.


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here are Robin Hoods who "rob the rich and help the poor" in the online world? A hacker group that profited from cybercrime donated money to charitable organizations, causing many doubts and ethical and legal problems.

The hacker group known as the "Darkside" claimed that they had extorted millions of dollars from a number of large companies, but now they want to do something to "make the world a better place."

The group posted on the dark web tax receipts for their bitcoin donations to two charitable organizations. One of the "Children International" (Children International) said that they do not source illegally obtained donations.

What do you think of this problem? This is just an example of our lives. Bitcoin will be used more and more widely, but the same freedom is relative, and we must actively respond.


Title: Re: Do you accept hackers’ Bitcoin donations to charitable organizations?
Post by: anu1908 on July 24, 2021, 10:02:51 AM
well, those organizations would definitely love to stay away from shady money, but validating them would be difficult. i personally think this "robin hood" reason is just a weak excuse. even if that's true, how can you confirm it?


Title: Re: Do you accept hackers’ Bitcoin donations to charitable organizations?
Post by: dothebeats on July 24, 2021, 11:37:37 AM
There's no telling if the funds that they receive are clean, and it would be extra work for them to validate. If I were an organization receiving donations on cryptocurrencies, I would immediately convert all proceeds to fiat and store it up for later use. Then again, there are organizations that are just being used as a front to launder money around, making it seem that the money was donated, when in fact it was sent there in purpose for money laundering.

I guess charities can say no to such donations, and just accept fiat or in-kind donations instead.


Title: Re: Do you accept hackers’ Bitcoin donations to charitable organizations?
Post by: Kakmakr on July 24, 2021, 11:46:38 AM
Any Crypto hacker that is actually good, will never send coins stolen (directly) from the source to the charity.... they push those coins through Mixer services so that it cannot be traced to a specific hack. The reason for doing this is simple... if they send it directly from the source to the charity... the authorities with enough knowledge to track transactions on the Blockchain, will be able to track it and then confiscate it.

Also, if the hacker is sending it to a charity and it can be traced to him (Example : Donation for a local school basketball tour...) then he will quickly be pinpointed for that hack by a simple process of elimination.  ;)


Title: Re: Do you accept hackers’ Bitcoin donations to charitable organizations?
Post by: Taskford on July 24, 2021, 12:06:10 PM
They cannot refuse if the funds is already deposited  to their accounts so maybe they don't have a choice but to accept that, if they know the money came from fraudulent activities for sure the in  charge on financing department will not accept it since this could fire up a controversy  against them  and its really bad to hook up on those incident specially scammed  money is so hot from the eyes of the  people who knows where their money goes   after they got hacked.


Title: Re: Do you accept hackers’ Bitcoin donations to charitable organizations?
Post by: michellee on July 24, 2021, 12:06:22 PM
First, the hackers can donate the money to any people they want, including sending the money to charity organizations because once they use crypto, they can use any coins and send it right away. Second, the organizations will not know who the sender is, whether it is a hacker or personal or institution because it only shows a wallet address. Third, I can not say accept or not accept because it will be up to the hacker whether they want to do that or keep the money for themselves.


Title: Re: Do you accept hackers’ Bitcoin donations to charitable organizations?
Post by: NeuroticFish on July 24, 2021, 12:11:22 PM
in other words, I personally would not accept some of the illegal proceeds of hackers for charity.

If one receives cash for charity, there's a huge chance that the money has drug traces on it.
With Bitcoin the problem is rather similar: hacked money can get to you, sooner or later, but, as already said, most probably it will be mixed first.
Expecting to get only "clean" coins is like expecting to use only freshly printed dollars in all your life.

Of course, if you receive directly hacked/stolen money, you'd better report it and let the authorities take over. They may have access to specialists and tools to actually do something (depending on the country of those authorities though)

You cannot block money to reach you, but you can use coin control and don't spend that input.


Title: Re: Do you accept hackers’ Bitcoin donations to charitable organizations?
Post by: kaggie on July 24, 2021, 12:13:40 PM
The point is that we can clearly know the flow of Bitcoin so that we can monitor the use and destination of charitable donations, because some charities are not trustworthy.
But I will not reject the many advantages of this approach.
This problem is about the charity, not blockchain.

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But in other words, I personally would not accept some of the illegal proceeds of hackers for charity.
It can create a legal hassle, so it is understandable.
Would you rather that the hacker maintain the money? I'd prefer the money go to a charity.
A charity may be able to get donations globally that they wouldn't otherwise have.
So, it depends on their risk.

The same issue occurs with cash. Just look at political donations where "person who believes X donated to politician Y, therefore Y is a bad person". It may not reflect reality of the person donated to.

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here are Robin Hoods who "rob the rich and help the poor" in the online world? A hacker group that profited from cybercrime donated money to charitable organizations, causing many doubts and ethical and legal problems.
I would be surprised if this was true. If the money were traceable, then the charity would be able to give it back to the groups the criminals stole from more easily. So, this may be an advantage of crypto over cash. Are future bitcoin fraud lawsuits incoming on this?

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What do you think of this problem? This is just an example of our lives. Bitcoin will be used more and more widely, but the same freedom is relative, and we must actively respond.
If there are untrustworthy charities, then we should find them out and get law enforcement to help ensure that they performing per their legal and social requirements.


Title: Re: Do you accept hackers’ Bitcoin donations to charitable organizations?
Post by: Fortify on July 24, 2021, 12:37:50 PM
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Philanthropy is often difficult to succeed due to lack of exposure and transparency, unclear accountability issues, and limited channels for accepting donations. Digital charity (using blockchain technology to promote charitable donations) provides a new solution. In the case of decentralized transactions, charitable organizations can receive donations and raise funds more efficiently.


The point is that we can clearly know the flow of Bitcoin so that we can monitor the use and destination of charitable donations, because some charities are not trustworthy.
But I will not reject the many advantages of this approach.

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The potential value of digital philanthropy

Digital philanthropy has some notable advantages for charities and donors:

Complete transparency: every digital currency transaction is traceable through blockchain data. Such a high degree of transparency and openness can encourage donors to donate, and it can also greatly improve the credibility of charities.

Globalization and decentralization: Most blockchain networks are highly decentralized. They cannot rely on a centralized government and institution to operate. Therefore, donations can be transferred directly from donors to charities . The decentralized nature of the blockchain makes global transactions simple and reliable.

Digital protocol: Blockchain makes the sharing and storage of electronic data easier, and it can also be used to ensure that important documents and contracts cannot be tampered with at will.

Reduce expenses: Blockchain technology has great potential to simplify the management of charities, automate operating procedures and reduce intermediary costs.

Reduce taxes: Take an American donor as an example. If he donates a charity fund in Bitcoin, the charity can get the full amount (because there is no need to pay taxes). In addition, donors can also apply for high tax relief from government agencies.


But in other words, I personally would not accept some of the illegal proceeds of hackers for charity.

What do you think of this problem? This is just an example of our lives. Bitcoin will be used more and more widely, but the same freedom is relative, and we must actively respond.

No charity should be allowed to accept the proceeds of criminal transactions if they can be clearly identified. They are subject to the same laws and forfeitures as any other entity. I don't really know of many charities that will accept cryptocurrency donations and this is probably the reason, they don't want to become liable at some later time for the actions of some bad actors. It could also make the whole charity system vulnerable to abuse like money laundering if it was ignored and no government is going to accept that. It seems like the answer is pretty clear, regardless of who it was stolen from (funds often get intermingled in many places) it should be given back to the correct owners, it is not for the charity to decide otherwise if they know about it.


Title: Re: Do you accept hackers’ Bitcoin donations to charitable organizations?
Post by: dkbit98 on July 24, 2021, 12:59:57 PM
Charities should decide for themselves if they want to accept that Bitcoin or not, but it's a bit hypocritical that someone criticize Bitcoin donations when we have examples of fake charitable funds and donations made in fiat and used with sole purpose of money laundering and avoiding tax payment (hint Gates, Bezos, Buffett, Bloomberg, Musk, Soros, etc.)
One Bitcoin = One Bitcoin and there should be no difference based on the source of donation or some other nonsense like that.


Title: Re: Do you accept hackers’ Bitcoin donations to charitable organizations?
Post by: hatshepsut93 on July 24, 2021, 01:01:56 PM
What do you think of this problem? This is just an example of our lives. Bitcoin will be used more and more widely, but the same freedom is relative, and we must actively respond.

How are we going to "respond? We can't prevent hacks, we can't prevent hackers from sending and receiving coins, and this will never be possible, because Bitcoin with such feature would not be Bitcoin. It's up to people who receive or send coins to verify that the coins are clean if they need to. If such donations are a major problem, charities should hire chainanalysis companies to help them be compliant with laws.


Title: Re: Do you accept hackers’ Bitcoin donations to charitable organizations?
Post by: masterrex on July 24, 2021, 02:21:31 PM
I think it is not a big issue for the charitable institution, as long as there is a kind of donation they don't care where the funds are coming from, things like that are simply happening around literally, that's why I believe that there's nothing wrong about it, especially those funds are intended to help people that badly needed like feeding, etc. so the purpose is noble even if the funds are coming from the hackers.


Title: Re: Do you accept hackers’ Bitcoin donations to charitable organizations?
Post by: buwaytress on July 24, 2021, 06:14:44 PM
It's always hard for a charity when it comes to donation, you've got to preserve ethics, neutrality... but where do you draw the line? How far back to you do due diligence? Do you accept McDonald's money for hunger in Ethiopia with its history of labour abuse? Do you reject Ikea's efforts in providing those new refugee tents because of their own tax, political, financial scandals in the past? Do you refuse aid grants from governments that have in their old histories (or new) commited human rights abuse and theft from their citizens?

Is the coin from a direct crime any dirtier than coins gained from clean business profits made possible by distant criminal transgressions?

I realise I'm not answering, but there's a lot of context and I'd have to make case-by-case decisions if I were a charity.


Title: Re: Do you accept hackers’ Bitcoin donations to charitable organizations?
Post by: The Cryptovator on July 24, 2021, 06:56:01 PM
If a charity organization accept donations through Bitcoin and hacker want to donate then how will we know the funds came from where and who is donating? Definitely, a hacker will not send funds directly from his wallet, using a mixer means no way to determine who sent it. In this case, even charity organizations don't like hacking funds but they can't do anything since they don't know who sent it. But for me, I don't like or don't accept this kind of behavior. You want to help then earn yourself and donate that. Doesn't necessary to steal from others and donate to charity.


Title: Re: Do you accept hackers’ Bitcoin donations to charitable organizations?
Post by: Renampun on July 24, 2021, 07:39:47 PM
There's no telling if the funds that they receive are clean, and it would be extra work for them to validate. If I were an organization receiving donations on cryptocurrencies, I would immediately convert all proceeds to fiat and store it up for later use. Then again, there are organizations that are just being used as a front to launder money around, making it seem that the money was donated, when in fact it was sent there in purpose for money laundering.

I guess charities can say no to such donations, and just accept fiat or in-kind donations instead.
Thing like what you said ever made a scene in my country...

some regional heads in my country use charities for money laundering purposes and that's really sad. Cryptocurrency 'robin hood' action in this case I think is like a double-edged knife, we don't know where their money is coming from and who are their victims, maybe other charities fall victim to them. Honestly this is a dilemma for charities that take money from 'robin hood'


Title: Re: Do you accept hackers’ Bitcoin donations to charitable organizations?
Post by: bL4nkcode on July 24, 2021, 08:04:00 PM
Speaking of hacker's funds, tumblers/mixers like chipmixer and other trusted mixers can easily bypass those "flow of bitcoin" for monitoring in blockchain.

And there's no way it can track. Besides charity donations are at risk of money laundering whether using cryptocurrency or fiat.


Title: Re: Do you accept hackers’ Bitcoin donations to charitable organizations?
Post by: Slow death on July 24, 2021, 08:33:20 PM
there are particular scenarios, for example:

if a hacker manages to steal 20 BTC, but after years he regrets it, wants to change his life and be an honest person and this hacker donates 10 BTC to charity and those responsible for the charity are aware of the truth because the hacker told The truth is, I think that in this scenario the charity can accept the donation, because they would still not be able to locate the bitcoin owners to return it and we all know how corrupt governments are and if they seized the bitcoin it would go into some people's pockets or they would auction and some rich would buy and the money would go into the pocket of some corrupt, so the biticoin better be donated to the poor in the orphanages

Besides charity donations are at risk of money laundering whether using cryptocurrency or fiat.

this world is heading towards a path where honesty does not exist, in the charities themselves have corruption and theft, we could criticize that stolen funds cannot be given away, but the donations themselves are stolen.


Title: Re: Do you accept hackers’ Bitcoin donations to charitable organizations?
Post by: blockman on July 24, 2021, 09:18:43 PM
As someone who's just going to give an opinion, we really cannot accept that fact that they shouldn't accept such funds. But for those organizations, if they're legitimate and in need of donations and they are in dire need, they cannot say no to that.

Then again, there are organizations that are just being used as a front to launder money around, making it seem that the money was donated, when in fact it was sent there in purpose for money laundering.
I agree that there are some organizations that are only being used to be a gateway for such funds. As for the idea of converting into fiat, the only matter is that if the charity is the one converting it to fiat, they still know where the donation came from if it's traced back as a hacked bitcoins.


Title: Re: Do you accept hackers’ Bitcoin donations to charitable organizations?
Post by: Ryker1 on July 24, 2021, 09:34:09 PM
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But in other words, I personally would not accept some of the illegal proceeds of hackers for charity.
Well, if you know that the bitcoin comes from illegal activity perhaps it will change your mind and not accepting it but without knowing that you have received funds as a donation from the charity so does not matter now as long as you don't know. There is no clean or dirty on bitcoin, just like fiat, --or even much worst because you have received personally in physical the money which is you don't know where it is come from. The same on the bitcoin price, we must be considering it first, in every transaction on bitcoin as long as it can't be traced you are always be safe.


Title: Re: Do you accept hackers’ Bitcoin donations to charitable organizations?
Post by: dansus021 on July 25, 2021, 11:11:01 AM
well, those organizations would definitely love to stay away from shady money, but validating them would be difficult. i personally think this "robin hood" reason is just a weak excuse. even if that's true, how can you confirm it?

well this quite true

but mostly hacker will do mixing it so you dont understand where the money come from  ;D

if i the charitable organization i would still receive it because we need the money and mosly we dont know where come from but i would cooperate government if there something wrong


Title: Re: Do you accept hackers’ Bitcoin donations to charitable organizations?
Post by: Twinkledoe on July 25, 2021, 11:20:19 AM
well, those organizations would definitely love to stay away from shady money, but validating them would be difficult. i personally think this "robin hood" reason is just a weak excuse. even if that's true, how can you confirm it?

well this quite true

but mostly hacker will do mixing it so you dont understand where the money come from  ;D

if i the charitable organization i would still receive it because we need the money and mosly we dont know where come from but i would cooperate government if there something wrong

If hackers will use mixers, then, would be very hard to track the source of the funds. Charitable organizations should receive it if it will help their cause. But of course, if they have a way to find out where it came from, why not? But if not, just put it to good use. That's my opinion though. If the funds can feed a lot of hungry kids, does it matter where it came from?


Title: Re: Do you accept hackers’ Bitcoin donations to charitable organizations?
Post by: Dhoe on July 26, 2021, 01:30:56 AM
for now I have not received bitcoin donations from hackers for charitable organizations, but in my estimation, charitable organizations can accept from anyone, as long as they don't say it was the result of hackers, then the charity is legal to accept donations from anywhere without having to correct where the donation came from..


Title: Re: Do you accept hackers’ Bitcoin donations to charitable organizations?
Post by: Aliceooo78 on July 26, 2021, 01:56:18 AM
for now I have not received bitcoin donations from hackers for charitable organizations, but in my estimation, charitable organizations can accept from anyone, as long as they don't say it was the result of hackers, then the charity is legal to accept donations from anywhere without having to correct where the donation came from..

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According to the British Guardian, the hacker organization Darkside donated 0.88 bitcoins obtained from blackmail to two charities, Children International and Water Project, worth $10,000. After the donation, Darkside published the receipts of the two charities that received donations on the dark web. According to the law, charitable organizations are not allowed to keep criminal proceeds donations, but the donations cannot be returned due to the donation encryption algorithm, and the organization is therefore in an embarrassing situation.

I personally say that I will accept donations from different sources. I don’t care about the process. I only hope that donations can be used by those who really need it. This is the most important thing.

But I don't agree with the statement that the hacker is Robin Hood. Hackers are thieves or robbers, not knights. In fact, for charitable organizations, it is known that the money is hacked, but it cannot be returned.


Title: Re: Do you accept hackers’ Bitcoin donations to charitable organizations?
Post by: Hendra gunawan on July 26, 2021, 06:52:58 AM
It's a tough question, I think even if hackers steal money to donate to charitable organizations, they're still doing something wrong.  They have stolen investors' money, they should have donated with their own money.  So I will not accept their money.


Title: Re: Do you accept hackers’ Bitcoin donations to charitable organizations?
Post by: Obito on July 26, 2021, 07:01:43 AM
It's a tough question, I think even if hackers steal money to donate to charitable organizations, they're still doing something wrong.  They have stolen investors' money, they should have donated with their own money.  So I will not accept their money.
That's if you know that it's a black money, most charity especially the small one don't really know where some of the money comes from so they don't exactly take action on it and even if they know, most black money from this charity are a cover up kind so they can launder money. Now if you were to know about it, I think that it will tug on your moral leanings because if you just accept it as it is, that means that you are abandoning one side and it will be the same for the other option. In my opinion, this kind of dilemma would be solved through utilitarianism, if you think that more benefits from accepting the black money then you will just accept it but if not then it's your call to call out this black money.


Title: Re: Do you accept hackers’ Bitcoin donations to charitable organizations?
Post by: LEON331300 on July 26, 2021, 07:19:44 AM
This might be argued by many as it might be seen as a means of redemption but I think the end justifies the means.The means if the donation is of lesser significance as the major concern should be making life better for those who cannot fend for themselves.

Hackers Bitcoin should not be rejected, for needs have to be met.
Why agrees with me?


Title: Re: Do you accept hackers’ Bitcoin donations to charitable organizations?
Post by: Vishnu.Reang on July 26, 2021, 08:11:59 AM
If any of the stolen coins are received by charity organizations, then they should return them. You can't play Robinhood saying that the money was stolen from rich guys and then donated to poor people. Theft is a theft, irrespective of who commits it, and who receives it. It is a criminal offense and not just the coins should be returned, but the individuals responsible for the theft should be prosecuted as per the prevailing laws.

Recently in India, there was an incident similar to this. In the state of Punjab, a bunch of criminals vandalized a mobile signaling tower of Jio Telecommunications and burnt it down. They stole a diesel generator that was present there and then donated it to a gurudwara. The guys at the gurudwara refused to hand it back, saying that they are a religious body and can't return the donations.


Title: Re: Do you accept hackers’ Bitcoin donations to charitable organizations?
Post by: Robinson66 on July 26, 2021, 08:38:34 AM
We don’t know if the money was sent by hackers, and we have no way of knowing. If it is the proceeds of crime, we should not collect money, but how do we know? This makes the workload of the charity organization very large, he must distinguish where the money comes from, otherwise the charity organization will be outside the law in the future. Makes many hackers launder money.


Title: Re: Do you accept hackers’ Bitcoin donations to charitable organizations?
Post by: Woodie on July 26, 2021, 08:58:52 AM
When it comes to donations does the recipients ever ask about source of funds, I don't think so! If they did then chances are that they would have less people interested and would affect their targets. Moreover one can make an anonymous donations which a Hacker can do.

Afaik when it comes to lobbying for funds priority is to get funds and not do background checks .


Title: Re: Do you accept hackers’ Bitcoin donations to charitable organizations?
Post by: JillianTaft on July 29, 2021, 07:41:06 AM
If it is to use Bitcoin, hackers donate money to the wallets of charitable organizations, this is irresistible. But my personal opinion is acceptable, because it is acceptable for hackers to donate money to the right place, which is better than being in the hands of hackers. Charitable organizations cannot refuse to transfer donations through cryptocurrency, nor can they find the source. If it is learned that it is from a hacker, the charity organization has the right to decide whether to accept it.


Title: Re: Do you accept hackers’ Bitcoin donations to charitable organizations?
Post by: kryptqnick on July 29, 2021, 09:50:25 AM
Isn't charity one of the best destinations for illegally acquired funds to go to? If a charity organization is legit and does some important work, then why wouldn't they accept money, no matter where it came from, as long as there are no strings attached? Maybe it's the criminals' way of cleaning conscience, or whatever, but if this money can help others, then why not use it? I mean, when illegal money is seized, it's not like it gets burned down, is it? Bitcoins get auctioned, so that rich guys get even richer; some money probably ends up in the pockets of those who seize it, and some goes to the governments which will spend it on stuff similar to what charities do only in the best case scenario.


Title: Re: Do you accept hackers’ Bitcoin donations to charitable organizations?
Post by: Kittygalore on August 07, 2021, 07:03:34 PM
I think the charity if they know it's all the result of hackers, most likely they will not accept all of it, and they will definitely refuse, what will be given by hackers, because there will definitely be a risk that awaits us, if the charity already knows it's the result of hackers, it's better if they decline their gift gently..
Totally, they will most definitely not accept if they are a sensible charity operation, I mean you can't clean blood with blood, if you know what I'm saying. I know that the donators think that they are doing something good but given how they've got those donations, I think that you should think twice how you're going to play the Robinhood.


Title: Re: Do you accept hackers’ Bitcoin donations to charitable organizations?
Post by: Rabi3 on August 07, 2021, 11:37:31 PM
well, those organizations would definitely love to stay away from shady money, but validating them would be difficult. i personally think this "robin hood" reason is just a weak excuse. even if that's true, how can you confirm it?

well this quite true

but mostly hacker will do mixing it so you dont understand where the money come from  ;D

if i the charitable organization i would still receive it because we need the money and mosly we dont know where come from but i would cooperate government if there something wrong
if the hackers used something like chipmixer to make it not trackable and don't say anything about donating a particular amount of money to a specific charity, then no one would know that the donation was made by hackers, and everything will be fine and even better for people helped by charities, i accept donations from hackers to charity if no one but the hackers would know about it, that way charities are safe from some false accusations.


Title: Re: Do you accept hackers’ Bitcoin donations to charitable organizations?
Post by: Quidat on August 07, 2021, 11:53:51 PM
well, those organizations would definitely love to stay away from shady money, but validating them would be difficult. i personally think this "robin hood" reason is just a weak excuse. even if that's true, how can you confirm it?

well this quite true

but mostly hacker will do mixing it so you dont understand where the money come from  ;D

if i the charitable organization i would still receive it because we need the money and mosly we dont know where come from but i would cooperate government if there something wrong
if the hackers used something like chipmixer to make it not trackable and don't say anything about donating a particular amount of money to a specific charity, then no one would know that the donation was made by hackers, and everything will be fine and even better for people helped by charities, i accept donations from hackers to charity if no one but the hackers would know about it, that way charities are safe from some false accusations.
No one would ever know and i dont care if those are hacked since when it comes on being ethical then i can say that its just balanced.Dont know on whats their true purpose
but im not on the point that im really truly against their motive since we know on how charity works and there are really lots who are in need but feel sorry into those
people who do lost up money because of that intent.

No one would ever know on where those funds came from unless if they do really intent in showing it on the first place.


Title: Re: Do you accept hackers’ Bitcoin donations to charitable organizations?
Post by: bitzizzix on August 08, 2021, 12:55:47 AM
The question is, if I receive a bitcoin donation, do I know that the donation is from a hacker?
and if I find out that the donation was stolen, of course I will return it to the rightful owner, because I would never feel comfortable accepting donations from anonymous sources, possibly criminals or hackers.
and if they say before sending it that what will be donated is the proceeds of crime, I will not accept it because it is not my right and is not lawful.


Title: Re: Do you accept hackers’ Bitcoin donations to charitable organizations?
Post by: Fundamentals Of on August 08, 2021, 02:44:12 AM
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The hacker group known as the "Darkside" claimed that they had extorted millions of dollars from a number of large companies, but now they want to do something to "make the world a better place."

Why would we be resisting an effort of turning over a new leaf? If a criminal is in a process of conversion and in that process decided to give away all his money to charitable institutions to help others in need, would you say no to it? Would you discourage others from accepting the money that could be life-changing?

For me, I won't. Money is neither clean nor dirty. It is only as clean or dirty as how it is used. The money that is obtained by selling drugs is the same money that could send poor children to school. But that's not justifying the crime.


Title: Re: Do you accept hackers’ Bitcoin donations to charitable organizations?
Post by: Nunoluck on August 08, 2021, 02:45:08 AM
I think not all hackers are bad people. I personally think that hacking is only a skill that can be learned. Well, I have the same concern with you. I do really care about from where the money come, but let's be positive thinking to people. I think people who donate their money are good people, it seems that those people aren't criminal, maybe just some of them but we never know the details. But if we clearly know that the money is come from criminals then we should not accept it. In the first place we should not prevent people doing good thing using cryptocurrency because it is a good advertisement for bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies and of course for humanity.


Title: Re: Do you accept hackers’ Bitcoin donations to charitable organizations?
Post by: noorman0 on August 08, 2021, 03:13:53 AM

Why would we be resisting an effort of turning over a new leaf? If a criminal is in a process of conversion and in that process decided to give away all his money to charitable institutions to help others in need, would you say no to it? Would you discourage others from accepting the money that could be life-changing?

I'm not sure about that. There are several ways criminals or whatever is "hackers" to remove traces or clear cases including releasing all stolen money to innocent and weak institutions regarding investigations. Given that it is a humanitarian activity that does not want to get into trouble in the future, it is better for charities to receive from sources that are truly clean and transparent.


Title: Re: Do you accept hackers’ Bitcoin donations to charitable organizations?
Post by: electronicash on August 08, 2021, 03:18:24 AM
coins are passed on to everyone which these.coins are probably gotten by crooks thru scamming or hacking from exchanges we all know about the mixers. if these coins are donated and you have spent it for good, it wouldn't matter. its the good deeds that counts. if used in a bad way which you return it back to the hackers or send it to authorities that would be stupid.


Title: Re: Do you accept hackers’ Bitcoin donations to charitable organizations?
Post by: Fundamentals Of on August 08, 2021, 03:41:51 AM

Why would we be resisting an effort of turning over a new leaf? If a criminal is in a process of conversion and in that process decided to give away all his money to charitable institutions to help others in need, would you say no to it? Would you discourage others from accepting the money that could be life-changing?

I'm not sure about that. There are several ways criminals or whatever is "hackers" to remove traces or clear cases including releasing all stolen money to innocent and weak institutions regarding investigations. Given that it is a humanitarian activity that does not want to get into trouble in the future, it is better for charities to receive from sources that are truly clean and transparent.

If a criminal is trying to come clean from an investigation or a criminal case by releasing all his stolen money, then that is definitely welcome. That means whatever stolen is given back. Are we to say, no I won't accept that money because that is stolen money? If that's me that is being offered I would say, thank you I'm accepting your money. It would be my honor to give back what's unfairly taken to whoever deserves it.

But I understand humanitarian organizations are careful accepting donations. But many of them don't think twice accepting donations from politicians.