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Title: The Idea of Bitcoin As A Religion
Post by: DapanasFruit on August 02, 2021, 03:22:20 AM


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“They always say in times of tragedy and trauma, people turn to God. That is sort of what happened with me. It’s tough to describe the experience, but basically, the best way I can describe it is I went to Bitcoin.”


Taken from here (https://cointelegraph.com/magazine/2021/07/29/is-bitcoin-a-religion-if-not-it-soon-will-be?utm_content=bufferdcb82&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer).

Well, have you thought about this idea that Bitcoin can be like a religion too? With some level of fanaticism, there can be people who are considering the Bitcoin community like a cultish one but then again all form of organization in varying degree has this energy and can even be used as a bonding agent. Now, in my opinion, while this idea can be a big welcome to some, this can also turned off those people who are not inclined to take up religious matters into their lives.

What's your opinion on this matter?


Title: Re: The Idea of Bitcoin As A Religion
Post by: mk4 on August 02, 2021, 03:30:18 AM
The Bitcoin as a religion thing is pretty cringe imo. Should believing in something lead to it being a religion? If I personally believe that $AMZN would outperform the S&P500, should Amazon be a religion too?


Title: Re: The Idea of Bitcoin As A Religion
Post by: JillianTaft on August 02, 2021, 03:46:33 AM
Belief in Bitcoin is freedom of belief. People who believe in freedom will be attracted to Bitcoin. Now the cryptocurrency based on modern information technology is only derived from a belief. I think money itself is a belief, and Bitcoin is a kind of belief. This kind of value measured by money, in essence, he cannot be separated from the concept of money.


Title: Re: The Idea of Bitcoin As A Religion
Post by: Wexnident on August 02, 2021, 04:20:30 AM
Is stupid. Up to mk4's opinion. Belief shouldn't always equate to it being a religion, since in a sense, religion is something "unexplainable, superhuman" etc., which is to be perfectly honest, used by people to explain the unexplainable. Bitcoin is on the opposite spectrum of that I must say.


Title: Re: The Idea of Bitcoin As A Religion
Post by: pooya87 on August 02, 2021, 04:41:23 AM
It seems like some people try to make the most outrageous claims and turn them into articles just for clicks. Cointelegraph is one of the oldest examples of a true shitpost that has been publishing click-baits for years.


Title: Re: The Idea of Bitcoin As A Religion
Post by: leea-1334 on August 02, 2021, 04:45:40 AM
As much as I love Bitcoin man,,, I do not think anyone should turn to BTC as a savior, especially not when they feel like they got nothing else to turn to. Imagine all those people yesterday who thought this was going to be the break out and today they are dealing with prices below 40k again. Immediate 5% loss? BTC is always going to do well in longterm but as a "god" it cannot be relied on:)


Title: Re: The Idea of Bitcoin As A Religion
Post by: Upgrade00 on August 02, 2021, 05:39:53 AM
Bitcoin is a digital currency and nothing more; it has a lot of distinct qualities that makes it stand out, such as decentralization, immutability, borderless, etc, these are what attracts holder to the network, it also has it's drawbacks and limitations which are what the Bitcoin improvement proposals seeks to solve.

Viewing it as a currency that it is helps to keep one grounded and allows them to make neutral decisions, any other ideology is counter productive; Bitcoin cannot save economies and countries, it cannot bridge the wealth gap either and there's the element of risk for investors, so one has to be cautious when buying in.


Title: Re: The Idea of Bitcoin As A Religion
Post by: davis196 on August 02, 2021, 06:00:18 AM
Viewing Bitcoin as some sort of religion is simply greediness.
Bitcoin is money and money cannot be worshiped as a God,even though there are people who worship Mammon(money,greed)instead of the real God,but with their actions and thoughts,not by what they say.
I'm more like an agnostic,so I don't know whether or not God exists,but I have always been skeptical towards religious cults.
Anyway,like other forum members have said,if you believe that the Bitcoin price will reach 100K USD in 2022 that doesn't mean that you believe in BTC as some kind of religious cult.


Title: Re: The Idea of Bitcoin As A Religion
Post by: Aliceooo78 on August 02, 2021, 06:05:59 AM
Bitcoin is a decentralized, peer-to-peer electronic cash payment system. We support Bitcoin. There is no doubt about this.

Some people say that Bitcoin is a product of civilization in the new era. I also accept it.
 
But religion is an ideology. We believe in Bitcoin, not because Satoshi Nakamoto is a god, but Bitcoin is a practice of truth. Bitcoin is based on the crystallization of many scientific disciplines such as cryptography, mathematics, and economics, rather than the will of God.

Bitcoin's non-tampering, non-repudiation and irrevocability provide an excellent tool for credit.

At the same time, this kind of non-repudiation, non-tampering, and irrevocability is unprivileged, equal, and does not require third-party credit or guardianship. The Bitcoin consensus is more like a consensus on economic mechanism innovation. Natural consensus.

Bitcoin will follow the mechanism for selecting the superior and eliminating the inferior.

Religion is a theological concept. There are some abstractions. When people are in trouble and helpless, they will think of God.

Most of the guidance that religion gives me is to live with kindness and not to do bad things, and to learn to live in harmony with the natural world, not Some concrete practices and truths.
 
Religion is often the guide of the ideological realm.




Title: Re: The Idea of Bitcoin As A Religion
Post by: Poker Player on August 02, 2021, 06:06:24 AM
I agree with the majority of opinions. Religion is based on faith and faith has long since been in conflict with rationality. Only very few people will believe in Bitcoin as a religion, people who tend to have faith in things instead of investigating them rationally.

I believe that most of us who are involved with Bitcoin in one way or another do so because we understand its nature, the impact it can have on society and its future. It has little faith and a lot of rational thinking.



Title: Re: The Idea of Bitcoin As A Religion
Post by: Jazmin Leslie on August 02, 2021, 06:15:25 AM
It doesn't make much sense to talk about this now. Tell me what Bitcoin can do, what else can it do, and what problems can it solve in the end? What will it bring to mankind? Discuss more practical issues.
Say religion is inappropriate.


Title: Re: The Idea of Bitcoin As A Religion
Post by: logfiles on August 02, 2021, 06:25:54 AM
Why would someone even think about Bitcoin in the lines of Religion. Religion is more like a process of brainwash right from the time someone was born into believing something they have no idea if it even exists.

With Bitcoin, you are not obliged to believe if it works or not. It's a matter of choice.... and it's real, you can use it for your day-to-day transactions. It's not like a 2,000-year-old story you have to blindly follow, praise, worship and believe.


Title: Re: The Idea of Bitcoin As A Religion
Post by: Dhoe on August 02, 2021, 06:26:25 AM
there is no connection between religion and bitcoin, religion is a belief that we must believe in faith, even though there are people who want to buy our faith at any price, we will never exchange it, religion is our business with god, bitcoin is a business for profit, if there are people who want to buy our bitcoins at a high price, of course we will release them, because we want to make a profit..


Title: Re: The Idea of Bitcoin As A Religion
Post by: Ozero on August 02, 2021, 07:38:21 AM
Bitcoin and religion are completely different phenomena of our reality. Comparing financial relations with religion is, in any case, stupid. Religion belongs to the spiritual world, and bitcoin, although invisible, is still quite material. Besides, he has nothing to do with religion. Belief in bitcoin is, in fact, belief in its price growth. This has nothing to do with God, this is finance and this is the desire to get rich. Even if it can be called a desire to gain financial independence from third parties, this is just a technology that also has nothing to do with religion.


Title: Re: The Idea of Bitcoin As A Religion
Post by: KaliLinux on August 02, 2021, 07:56:29 AM


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“They always say in times of tragedy and trauma, people turn to God. That is sort of what happened with me. It’s tough to describe the experience, but basically, the best way I can describe it is I went to Bitcoin.”


Taken from here (https://cointelegraph.com/magazine/2021/07/29/is-bitcoin-a-religion-if-not-it-soon-will-be?utm_content=bufferdcb82&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer).

Well, have you thought about this idea that Bitcoin can be like a religion too? With some level of fanaticism, there can be people who are considering the Bitcoin community like a cultish one but then again all form of organization in varying degree has this energy and can even be used as a bonding agent. Now, in my opinion, while this idea can be a big welcome to some, this can also turned off those people who are not inclined to take up religious matters into their lives.

What's your opinion on this matter?
This doesn't make any sense to me and most that have already posted here have mentioned similarly. Just because people like Designer clothes and can afford to buy them does not mean that should be a religion to them and this can be related to any other thing. There are a lot of things people like to do and just because the expression is used, "Religiously engaged in them" does not really mean they take it as a religion.




Title: Re: The Idea of Bitcoin As A Religion
Post by: fullhdpixel on August 02, 2021, 12:34:23 PM
Well, have you thought about this idea that Bitcoin can be like a religion too? With some level of fanaticism, there can be people who are considering the Bitcoin community like a cultish one but then again all form of organization in varying degree has this energy and can even be used as a bonding agent. Now, in my opinion, while this idea can be a big welcome to some, this can also turned off those people who are not inclined to take up religious matters into their lives.
Nobody is saying that Bitcoin is a religion, you’re the first person that’s saying that here. If someone doesn’t want to join the Bitcoin community it doesn’t have anything to do with bitcoin as a religion. Though the quote you have posted is right in the sense that there have been people who were able to change their lives with the help of Bitcoin, by investing in it and some of them by trading it. So, that’s it.

It can help you get rich, but for some people it is not the same story, some have ended up losing their money instead, so it’s not something that saves everyone’s ass, if you’re lucky it would work for you. I’d say for sure that it worked out for me, but my knowledge helped me of course.


Title: Re: The Idea of Bitcoin As A Religion
Post by: BlackHatCoiner on August 02, 2021, 12:41:55 PM
Bitcoin isn't a religion, because it is completely transparent. Everything's clear for anyone to see/read/judge. There aren't Gods nor hierarchs. Everyone has the same rights and nobody can censor it. I believe that there isn't a better way to describe this than this forum's quote:

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Satoshi is no god. He did not come down from the mountain with 10 golden rules engraved in stone for no one to question.

Also, cointelegraph sucks.


Title: Re: The Idea of Bitcoin As A Religion
Post by: qwertyup23 on August 02, 2021, 01:06:43 PM
Well, have you thought about this idea that Bitcoin can be like a religion too? With some level of fanaticism, there can be people who are considering the Bitcoin community like a cultish one but then again all form of organization in varying degree has this energy and can even be used as a bonding agent. Now, in my opinion, while this idea can be a big welcome to some, this can also turned off those people who are not inclined to take up religious matters into their lives.

What's your opinion on this matter?

No and it never crossed my mind that people could happen to worship money as their basis of their religion.

What makes BTC so valuable is its high price on the market and its volatility. Due to its nature, people have associated it in making it the perfect investment either for short-term (high volatility) and long-term. Now if people, for some reason, worshipped BTC due to its potential, then it is almost the same as worshipping money- which is temporary in nature.

Imagine Satoshi's reaction if he were to read this. The purpose of this invention was to remove any third-party intermediaries and to see that it has evolved now to becoming a religion, that would definitely drive his mind crazy.


Title: Re: The Idea of Bitcoin As A Religion
Post by: awik p on August 02, 2021, 01:08:08 PM
I think the essence is different. people being fanatical about bitcoin does not mean bitcoin becomes their religion, but because bitcoin provides real benefits, so maybe whatever people say they will not pay attention to, in religion it prioritizes spiritual needs, this is different from bitcoin which only prioritizes business. on the other hand bitcoin can be manipulated by someone, but will this apply to religion, where its teachings are absolute and inviolable


Title: Re: The Idea of Bitcoin As A Religion
Post by: Vaskiy on August 02, 2021, 01:13:16 PM
Everyone have got their opinion about bitcoin. Some believe it as an investment, some believe it as a transaction source and some believe it as a payment source and in multiple ways. This way difference of opinion is found over bitcoin. When it comes to religion it is the same. People have difference of belief. This way there is some sort of closeness with the way a religion is seen as well as the bitcoin. For this Bitcoin as a religion is something unwanted.


Title: Re: The Idea of Bitcoin As A Religion
Post by: Alisha-k on August 02, 2021, 01:54:00 PM
Is stupid. Up to mk4's opinion. Belief shouldn't always equate to it being a religion, since in a sense, religion is something "unexplainable, superhuman" etc., which is to be perfectly honest, used by people to explain the unexplainable. Bitcoin is on the opposite spectrum of that I must say.
Religion isn't just superhuman we here on Earth narrow it to been a sort of superhuman activity. Bitcoin been a religion from @Op view is trying to liken Bitcoin to a sort of human belief system where the turn to a more super being in time of problem. He is trying to point out that Similar scenario can occur for Bitcoin where you turn to it when you are out of finance or have challenges. He also sited people with common knowledge about bitcoin share ideas


Title: Re: The Idea of Bitcoin As A Religion
Post by: suzanne5223 on August 02, 2021, 02:00:03 PM
People with different opinions but the OP should have provided the vital information that touches the point in the article rather than the part that will make people have a negative impression about the article provided by the OP because that's how I feel until reading through the article and I believe it the something that causes the negative impression others have.

Meanwhile, Bitcoin to be a religion which was said in the article is that Bitcoin to be something people will run to for help/financial freedom in the future.

 


Title: Re: The Idea of Bitcoin As A Religion
Post by: BOAEDAN on August 02, 2021, 02:01:02 PM
religion existed before we were born, religious beliefs have been passed down from our ancestors first, our religious beliefs cannot be exchanged for anything, because religion is a very strong foundation in our lives, I suggest don't enter the idea of ​​bitcoin in religion, bitcoin is a business for us to seek profit, while religion is between us and the creator..


Title: Re: The Idea of Bitcoin As A Religion
Post by: michellee on August 02, 2021, 02:40:52 PM
Bitcoin is not religion. If people believe in bitcoin, they do not believe it as a religion but they believe that bitcoin can be strong in the future. I can not imagine what if bitcoin is truly become a religion and how bitcoin will be their god and make them satisfied while bitcoin price still too volatile.

Having fanatic through bitcoin is okay, but we need to realize that humans and bitcoin invent bitcoin is only a tool for people to have a new way to make money through bitcoin.


Title: Re: The Idea of Bitcoin As A Religion
Post by: rina aulia on August 02, 2021, 02:57:28 PM
Your fanaticism towards bitcoin should be controlled from a normal perspective as people value currency values, it is very misleading to worship currencies and don't overvalue crypto beyond common sense. Bitcoin and religion are very different and have no connection and connection.


Title: Re: The Idea of Bitcoin As A Religion
Post by: 7788bitcoin on August 02, 2021, 03:58:47 PM
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Well, have you thought about this idea that Bitcoin can be like a religion too? With some level of fanaticism, there can be people who are considering the Bitcoin community like a cultish one but then again all form of organization in varying degree has this energy and can even be used as a bonding agent. Now, in my opinion, while this idea can be a big welcome to some, this can also turned off those people who are not inclined to take up religious matters into their lives.
Anyone who started Bitcoin from the beginning when there was no value attached to it can claim that they are following the Bitcoin market as a cult, once the valuation started then you cannot call it as a cult because majority are here for the profits and even now the market is changing with years and now big institutional investors are pumping their money in the market and you cannot see the cult following in it other than the money involved and the profit they can make from it .


Title: Re: The Idea of Bitcoin As A Religion
Post by: bosede1 on August 02, 2021, 04:14:13 PM
For me, I believe in bitcoin and the future prospect it entails but I have never seen it like religion move. People worship Bitcoin because many people have made huge profits in it can realize how good it has been but religion is too far from it.


Title: Re: The Idea of Bitcoin As A Religion
Post by: Jawhead999 on August 02, 2021, 04:16:27 PM
Ah that's why I saw my friend yesterday pray in front of Bitcoin statue / JK.

Bitcoin has changing many people life become rich, no one can see real Bitcoin looks like... what we can see is only transaction, nodes, balance etc, the unknown volatility in the market make people faith in Bitcoin no matter the market goes. Probably those reason behind that's idea.

But it's not enough reason to claim Bitcoin as a religion, since Bitcoin didn't teach about way of life, salvation, ideology, good & bad things and many other things that can't be answered.



Title: Re: The Idea of Bitcoin As A Religion
Post by: Renampun on August 02, 2021, 04:20:54 PM
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Bitcoin and religion are different things...

we never thought of fiat as a religion, fiat has a high enough fanaticism and also state support. Bitcoin is an investment currency and asset, people are fanatics of btc because it helps them get out of the bank. Bitcoin is the path of freedom.


Title: Re: The Idea of Bitcoin As A Religion
Post by: Shasha80 on August 02, 2021, 04:32:55 PM
Your fanaticism towards bitcoin should be controlled from a normal perspective as people value currency values, it is very misleading to worship currencies and don't overvalue crypto beyond common sense. Bitcoin and religion are very different and have no connection and connection.

I think being too fanatical about Bitcoin is not good, it makes us no longer able to think logically. We must be able to think logically, not because Bitcoin
can make us rich, then equated as a religion. This is a misleading thought, because Bitcoin is just a currency and doesn't teach us how to do good in life.
What we get from Bitcoin does not reflect religion at all, so between Bitcoin and religion is something different.


Title: Re: The Idea of Bitcoin As A Religion
Post by: Tigerheart3026 on August 02, 2021, 05:07:57 PM
seriously? even i do not never imagine that to talk about this ridiculous topic. people how to compare between a virtual currency and religion because both of completely different and as human being we believe god who created this world so that we believe a religion.

i have no doubts bitcoin is bless for the modern civilization and we got many benefits in the technology that means you can pretend it's a religion.


Title: Re: The Idea of Bitcoin As A Religion
Post by: Slow death on August 02, 2021, 05:19:57 PM
What's your opinion on this matter?

leave religion in your corner because this subject of religion is something that never ends well when one starts to argue about it, fanaticism is in religion and politics, let's not put religion in bitcoin, bitcoin is an asset that people use to invest or make payments or trade, bitcoin has nothing to do with religion

seriously? even i do not never imagine that to talk about this ridiculous topic.

I also don't understand how OP had the courage to create this meaningless thread


Title: Re: The Idea of Bitcoin As A Religion
Post by: haidil on August 02, 2021, 05:54:51 PM
It's too much to associate something that is a tool and then it is used as a dangerous basis for one of the beliefs. You don't have to do all of that in order to take part which you will give up someday. There is no need to make a measuring instrument in terms of Bitcoin and then equate it with God.


Title: Re: The Idea of Bitcoin As A Religion
Post by: ChrisPop on August 02, 2021, 06:09:36 PM
No, no form of money or pretty much any creation of man can be considered religion. I think this argument is strong enough: Bitcoin does hardly have anything to do with our origins. Yes, it is a creation of the human mind, but not of a God, a superhuman entity.  Thus, I conclude that it is foolish to think of Bitcoin as anymore than what it is - a store of value and a method of transferring that value in a trustless, decentralized manner.


Title: Re: The Idea of Bitcoin As A Religion
Post by: uneng on August 02, 2021, 06:37:24 PM
To worship material elements is heresy. These people are putting money beyond God, what is a serious mistake. The correct is to be thankful to God for the money (bitcoin) they are having the opportunity to earn and grow along the years. Without any doubts it's a great gift to be an early bitcoin adopter and I believe if something like this happens in someone's life it's because God really blessed them or is trying to teach something through it.
But there is a big difference between being thankful for bitcoin or trusting its potential and being a bitcoin believer (in a religious sense).

It reminds that story of the golden calf found in The Bible, which started being worshiped by the israelites when Moses went up to the mount to receive the Ten Commandments. Since he took some time to come back, his people in despair lost hope, patience and started worshiping the golden calf, just like these people worhip Bitcoin now. Ironically bitcoin is sometimes presented as or within a bull, just like the calf statue during the biblical times.


Title: Re: The Idea of Bitcoin As A Religion
Post by: carlfebz2 on August 02, 2021, 06:49:27 PM


Well, have you thought about this idea that Bitcoin can be like a religion too? With some level of fanaticism, there can be people who are considering the Bitcoin community like a cultish one but then again all form of organization in varying degree has this energy and can even be used as a bonding agent. Now, in my opinion, while this idea can be a big welcome to some, this can also turned off those people who are not inclined to take up religious matters into their lives.

What's your opinion on this matter?
Honestly, you cant really attach holy or divine things into money and we know that Bitcoin isnt really on that criteria and even how optimistic we are then we shouldnt really let ourselves fall into the belief

on where you do praise up Bitcoin just because of its relevant benefits and opportunities. Holy things is still different specially if we are talking religion.We might share the same impression

as a community towards bitcoin or crypto but doesnt mean that it would be considered as a religion. Why we cant just say that we are just fans rather than talking about religion?


Title: Re: The Idea of Bitcoin As A Religion
Post by: Smartvirus on August 02, 2021, 07:50:05 PM
When it comes to religion, there is a lot of take on it and unexplainable scenarios about it tagged mysteries but then, bitcoin has got nothing mystical about it. It's completely open and one can get understanding at any level, asking the right questions and making researches to meet up.
I get it that, having some sort of idea amongst a group of crypto enthusiast would bond them in a way but then, its far from religion because, if you look at it, there are a lot of persons that have varying religion but still, they get to bond in a way. Even at that, bitcoin has never promised anyone anything but then, it lives you to your own level of satisfaction in contrast to religion that promises rewards and punishment based on certain involvements I course of your living. Bitcoin is Jo religion.


Title: Re: The Idea of Bitcoin As A Religion
Post by: Fortify on August 02, 2021, 08:04:56 PM


Quote

“They always say in times of tragedy and trauma, people turn to God. That is sort of what happened with me. It’s tough to describe the experience, but basically, the best way I can describe it is I went to Bitcoin.”


Taken from here (https://cointelegraph.com/magazine/2021/07/29/is-bitcoin-a-religion-if-not-it-soon-will-be?utm_content=bufferdcb82&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer).

Well, have you thought about this idea that Bitcoin can be like a religion too? With some level of fanaticism, there can be people who are considering the Bitcoin community like a cultish one but then again all form of organization in varying degree has this energy and can even be used as a bonding agent. Now, in my opinion, while this idea can be a big welcome to some, this can also turned off those people who are not inclined to take up religious matters into their lives.

What's your opinion on this matter?

Ironically Bitcoin relies on the most basic math and science which relies on proof. That is in my mind the antithesis of religion. Religion relies on blind faith in the words written in stories like the Bible or the Quran, you are meant to follow it without question and in some circles even trying to interpret it differently from how it is preached at you can be dangerous. The blockchain upon which Bitcoin relies is possibly one of the most logical, consistent and transparent systems the world has ever seen - there for all to see but nobody has found a way to break it in the time it has existed. It is pure mathematics in the rawest form and each link builds on years of other links.


Title: Re: The Idea of Bitcoin As A Religion
Post by: Macadonian on August 02, 2021, 08:10:57 PM
It seems like some people try to make the most outrageous claims and turn them into articles just for clicks. Cointelegraph is one of the oldest examples of a true shitpost that has been publishing click-baits for years.
Cointelegraph gets so much praise that its unbearable sometimes they are the worst in the news scene for Bitcoin and I wont give them any clicks. I think they make these kinds of statements to make Bitcoin look bad like we are some cult that is planning evil things instead of a currency.


Title: Re: The Idea of Bitcoin As A Religion
Post by: DarkDays on August 02, 2021, 08:29:55 PM
Is stupid. Up to mk4's opinion. Belief shouldn't always equate to it being a religion, since in a sense, religion is something "unexplainable, superhuman" etc., which is to be perfectly honest, used by people to explain the unexplainable. Bitcoin is on the opposite spectrum of that I must say.
Bitcoin is far from being considered a religious thing. Religion as explained above depicts an unexplainable spiritual entity that nobody alive has ever seen, BTC on the other hand is tangible, and has real life application with proof.

The fact that there are strong believers in crypto only means that they appreciate its value and technical intricacies which can lead to great potential, again something measurable as seen by the past decade or so of Bitcoin's existence.


Title: Re: The Idea of Bitcoin As A Religion
Post by: pinggoki on August 02, 2021, 10:23:42 PM
We are a forum of people that saw potential in bitcoin's profitability, technology, or the help it could offer our future societies. People may argue that we are but following a blind faith but the thing is there are multiple evidences that bitcoin can indeed do this and overcome the obstacles that it is faced currently. but I digress. The thing I'm trying to point out is that bitcoin is no religion, nor is bitcoin or Satoshi Nakamoto for that matter a god. It's one thing to be thankful and happy that we are able to experience bitcoin, it's another to think that bitcoin is the new-age Jesus and Satoshi Nakamoto the one true god.
When it comes to religion, there is a lot of take on it and unexplainable scenarios about it tagged mysteries but then, bitcoin has got nothing mystical about it. It's completely open and one can get understanding at any level, asking the right questions and making researches to meet up.
I get it that, having some sort of idea amongst a group of crypto enthusiast would bond them in a way but then, its far from religion because, if you look at it, there are a lot of persons that have varying religion but still, they get to bond in a way. Even at that, bitcoin has never promised anyone anything but then, it lives you to your own level of satisfaction in contrast to religion that promises rewards and punishment based on certain involvements I course of your living. Bitcoin is Jo religion.
Exactly. And the fact that we follow bitcoin because there is evidence in our reasons is enough proof to dignify that bitcoin is no religious thing. We just happen to be believing in the potential that bitcoin could input into our lives and not necessarily to bitcoin itself becoming the true solution to all of our physical and existential problems, much like what a god would be.


Title: Re: The Idea of Bitcoin As A Religion
Post by: Lanatsa on August 02, 2021, 10:36:11 PM
It seems like some people try to make the most outrageous claims and turn them into articles just for clicks. Cointelegraph is one of the oldest examples of a true shitpost that has been publishing click-baits for years.
Cointelegraph gets so much praise that its unbearable sometimes they are the worst in the news scene for Bitcoin and I wont give them any clicks. I think they make these kinds of statements to make Bitcoin look bad like we are some cult that is planning evil things instead of a currency.
Well its just normal with these news outlets on something just to have to post or published neither it would be negative or positive for bitcoin then it doesn't matter because they do only concern for the
views which is already an expected thing to have in minds on those news sites.

Idea of bitcoin as a religion? for some impression just like on what you had mentioned about cult and its not a new thing because those things had been here on this market for a while.

Just like on what others been saying that investment shouldn't really be tagged up with religion because its a different thing.


Title: Re: The Idea of Bitcoin As A Religion
Post by: Luqman on August 02, 2021, 11:33:40 PM
We have discussed it many times. There are already some threads specifically to discuss a such topic. I think it is not necessary to create a new thread about this issue. Please take a look at these threads first, you probably got the answer.
1. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=157149.0
2. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=161552.0
3. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=311384.0
4. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1092155.0

In my perspective, Bitcoin will never be a religion. Bitcoin is a technology and it is human-made. Religion never comes from human creation, it is purely coming from God. Sorry, I think the idea of Bitcoin as a religion doesn't make sense.



Title: Re: The Idea of Bitcoin As A Religion
Post by: jossiel on August 02, 2021, 11:43:41 PM
He just compared what he did and what he must do when in times of hardship.

Thinking that bitcoin could also be a religion is literally odd. What we're going to see in the future? bitcoinism? well, that's enough I guess and there's no need to bring up such a topic that brings religion and bitcoin at the same as a comparison.

But that's an idea that I have never thought of before.


Title: Re: The Idea of Bitcoin As A Religion
Post by: Argoo on August 03, 2021, 05:13:30 AM
No, in my opinion, bitcoin cannot solve this problem, since it works in a slightly different plane and does not participate directly in the real sector of the economy. Inflation, overproduction, debt, offsetting payments, crises, this is not for cryptocurrency. Cryptocurrency has its own functions and methods of solving its problems. The author of this topic does not offer any of his own options for solving the problem of debt with cryptocurrency. He generally wonders if this is possible at all. No, this is not a job for cryptocurrency. Let the states deal with their debts themselves.


Title: Re: The Idea of Bitcoin As A Religion
Post by: leea-1334 on August 03, 2021, 05:23:45 AM
Bitcoin is like a religion for me since I spend so much time thinking about it and hoping it will make my life better.  
Some people will say I worship my crypto since I talk about it so much like some people always talk about a god.

God will also punish you if you forget to worship him or if you do not keep the values that he asks you to though:) So Roger Ver and Craig Wright, if Bitcoin were a religion, should already be punished and gone to Bitcoin hell for committing apostacy of the highest:)

Luckily Bitcoin bible is less than 10 pages long;)


Title: Re: The Idea of Bitcoin As A Religion
Post by: acroman08 on August 03, 2021, 07:05:30 AM
What's your opinion on this matter?
I think it is stupid. although I can respect their decision. I'd still think they are stupid. I am pretty sure if someone ever made a religion based on bitcoin that person or whoever follows it will be a laughing stock on the community. It's good to admire the technology but admiring it too much to the point that a person will create a religion out of it is just(just like what mk4 said) cringe.


Title: Re: The Idea of Bitcoin As A Religion
Post by: lablab03 on August 03, 2021, 07:45:07 AM
People nowadays thinking nonsense about bitcoin what i mean they're going too far when it comes to it and i don't know what are they trying to point out here. Lmao it's very obvious tho coz how comes bitcoin become connected with religion.? TBH I've never heard such information about bitcoin so @op stop smoking bro it's not good for your health.  ;D


Title: Re: The Idea of Bitcoin As A Religion
Post by: RainbowKun on August 03, 2021, 07:53:18 AM


I carefully read every reply under this topic, and found that most of the answers are similar, and most of them are opposed to linking Bitcoin with religion. Most people think this idea is stupid, absurd, and unrealistic. Bitcoin has nothing to do with religion at all. Bitcoin is a technology, a new technology based on mathematical algorithms, how can it be related to religion? Bitcoin is a currency. If we say that Bitcoin is a religion, is fiat currency also a religion? Bitcoin is based on the creation of rationality on the technical level, while religion is based on perceptual cognition. The two are in opposition. It is really a joke to compare Bitcoin to religion. And most people are very convinced of their answers.

But is the answer that I firmly believe in must be correct? Is the point made by others necessarily wrong? Is there a certain logic or a certain reason for the opinions put forward by others? If there is no theoretical basis, why have people continue to associate Bitcoin with religion since 2012 and 2013?

We have discussed it many times. There are already some threads specifically to discuss a such topic. I think it is not necessary to create a new thread about this issue. Please take a look at these threads first, you probably got the answer.
1. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=157149.0
2. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=161552.0
3. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=311384.0
4. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1092155.0

In my perspective, Bitcoin will never be a religion. Bitcoin is a technology and it is human-made. Religion never comes from human creation, it is purely coming from God. Sorry, I think the idea of Bitcoin as a religion doesn't make sense.


Let’s take a look at this quote. Every once in a while, someone will post to discuss the connection between Bitcoin and religion. This means that similar questions continue to be raised. They have similar understanding or confusion. Although most of the voices in the replies were opposed, we read every reply carefully and there were also some supporting voices. It's just that the voice of opposition is far greater than the voice of support, which also makes people who agree with this view in their hearts dare not reply.


What most people think is wrong must be wrong? Here are two famous sayings to share with you. The first is: truth is always in the hands of a few people; The second is: the more arguments, the clearer the truth. I have been thinking deeply about bitcoin over the years, and I have been exploring some of the things represented behind bitcoin. So, today, with this post, I also express some of my views on this point of view.

My point is: Bitcoin is far from being a religion at present, but it has the conditions to be established as a religion. Bitcoin is now an ideology, gradually becoming a belief system and a social movement. It is not yet a religion, but it does not rule out that someone will establish one or more religions centered on Bitcoin in the future. This time may take 50 or even 100 years, and we cannot rule out this possibility. Although Bitcoin may become a religion, this religion is a brand-new belief system that is fundamentally different from our current religious system. We cannot use our current religious view to look at Bitcoin. Bitcoin's belief system is more likely to be based on the digital world, which is different from our existing physical world. The above are my basic views.We cannot deny the possibility that it will become a reality in the future because it has not yet become a reality.

In the past month or so, I have been writing articles on bitcointalk, publishing my in-depth thinking on bitcoin. In my opinion, Bitcoin is not just a technology or a currency, but more importantly the thought, culture, spirit, and ideals behind Bitcoin. This is a brand new thought, which represents decentralization, freedom, and equality. Many of us may buy Bitcoin just to make money, for profit. However, there are still some people, Bitcoin has become their belief. This is also my belief. What I value is the thought of ​​Bitcoin. I firmly believe that Bitcoin can completely transform our existing human society and create a new, equal, fair, free, and decentralized world. When this world is formed one after another, human society will enter a brand new civilization. I define this civilization as "bit civilization".

This is my most basic view of Bitcoin. This thought has always guided my practice. I believe that as the global consensus of Bitcoin becomes stronger and stronger, more and more people will recognize this thought. The ideological liberation movement will flourish all over the world. In the end, a brand new ideology, or belief system, is formed.



Taken from here (https://cointelegraph.com/magazine/2021/07/29/is-bitcoin-a-religion-if-not-it-soon-will-be?utm_content=bufferdcb82&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer).

Well, have you thought about this idea that Bitcoin can be like a religion too? With some level of fanaticism, there can be people who are considering the Bitcoin community like a cultish one but then again all form of organization in varying degree has this energy and can even be used as a bonding agent. Now, in my opinion, while this idea can be a big welcome to some, this can also turned off those people who are not inclined to take up religious matters into their lives.

What's your opinion on this matter?

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Bitcoin Holy Capitol
The religious echoes seemed pretty obvious to many observers of the recent Bitcoin 2021 conference in Miami.

The New York Times article was titled “Thousands descend on Miami to glorify Bitcoin” and quoted the convention center’s owner Moishe Mana saying: “The more you fight religion, the more holy it becomes and the stronger the movement becomes,” he said.

Media outlet Paradox described how a “ten-thousand-plus legion of devoted believers” came together with “followers of Bitcoin maximalism” to listen to the high priests of the movement:

“Before thousands of wide-eyed attendees like Joel Olsteen preaching at a megachurch, prophets like Michael Saylor called Bitcoin the ‘apex’ of human achievement, while architects of the Holy Capitol blatantly acknowledged the asset as a full-fledged religious movement.”

And just like followers of a religion, Bitcoiners believe, with some justification, that they’re on a righteous mission to change the world. Twitter’s Jack Dorsey told the crowd: “I don’t think there is anything more important in my lifetime to work on.”

This text is part of the cointelegraph article sent by OP. I suggest that each of us can read this article carefully. From this point of view, the content of this report still has a certain logic. We cannot deny it 100% just because we hold different opinions.

What is human civilization? In my opinion, human civilization is a collection of all social behaviors and natural behaviors that make human beings free from barbarism. These collections include at least the following elements: family concept, language, writing, belief, religious concept, law, culture, art, city state and the country and so on. It is these factors that constitute the main body of our current society, some are economic foundations, and some are superstructures.

Therefore, if Bitcoin is really bringing mankind into a new civilization system, when this civilization system is formed one after another, it will definitely transform religions, and it will establish a new set of religions that adapt to the development of new civilizations system. What is the specific system? Maybe only 50 years later will there be some clear answers. At present, I can't answer it.

Let's take a brief look at the history of the establishment of Christianity. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity) When Jesus was alive, he did not establish a denomination and named it Christianity. Christianity was gradually formed in the process of spreading the thoughts of Jesus among the followers of Jesus within two to three hundred years after the death of Jesus. The evolution of each important node takes hundreds of years. Later, due to the different beliefs of believers, they split into different sects. The split of sects is the split of consensus, which is similar to the current Bitcoin fork. Isn't BCH split from BTC because of some different concepts? They have a new independent leader. Then, because of different ideas, they continued to split.

Now let’s look at this 2013 quote. There are too many similarities between Bitcoin and religion. I hope we can look at this with a more open attitude. Maybe we think it is absurd now, but it may become a reality in 50 years.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=157149.msg21175482#msg21175482

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Let's be honest, it does have all the makings of a religion, let me just go through the list:

. Mysterious creator that has suddenly vanished off the face of the Earth or doesn't exist  - Check

. Celebrities are endorsing it to give it more legitimacy - Check

. Multiple sects splitting off from the main beliefs because they disagree with them or want to form their own cult instead - Check

. Lots and lots of conspiracy theories surrounding it - Check

. Persecution from government organisations that fear it - Check

. Crazy evangelical fringe believers who run around and try to harass people into following it - Check

. Extremely negative mass media attention - Check

Yep, I'd say we're a religion now Cheesy
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I would add the following:

-It was conceived to save the world from evil and secure a future of prosperity for those who accept it fully: -Check

-Believers tend to label nonbelievers as confused people who go the wrong way that leads to (financial) destruction, and their only hope is to repent and accept the new creed: -Check

-Those who have accepted the new creed make up a superior caste of Chosen who will one day reign over the unconverted: -Check




Title: Re: The Idea of Bitcoin As A Religion
Post by: swogerino on August 03, 2021, 11:49:18 AM
Bitcoin is the greatest technological revolution of our century that we live in and this is my opinion.Also it is backed by an algorithm,something exact which does not let a lot of space for being a religion,religion is irrationality to believe in something you don't see.
Bitcoin is in fact the exact opposite of such,you are the owner of it and no other entity,no third parties like banks etc.


Title: Re: The Idea of Bitcoin As A Religion
Post by: Luqman on August 05, 2021, 06:45:57 AM
My point is: Bitcoin is far from being a religion at present, but it has the conditions to be established as a religion. Bitcoin is now an ideology, gradually becoming a belief system and a social movement.
Do you think religion is established by humans? No, the religion comes from God, it has been already established. What humans do is to know everything about religion. It takes the process from no knowledge --> know deeply about religion. What should be established? It is the knowledge related to religion owned by humans. While the religion itself is already established by God, not the human business.

Anyway, I think debating about religion will be never-ending. Everyone will deliver their opinion based on individual perception. So, it is better to stop it now. The reason is clear enough, it is already discussed many times in this forum. The topic of religion is also very sensitive, I suggest not continue it to avoid racism and misunderstanding among us. Let Bitcoin be Bitcoin, no need to compare it to religion.



Title: Re: The Idea of Bitcoin As A Religion
Post by: dupee419 on August 05, 2021, 03:45:35 PM
But you can't deny that some people are probably way too indulged with Bitcoin that it has gotten to a rough point wherein they only do Bitcoin and Bitcoin alone everyday, Bitcoin as a religion would be hilarious, imagine altars and some rituals dedicated to Bitcoin, religion is definitely not the way to go, it will only complicate things that involves heavily on money, so in conclusion, it's a bad idea, but it is never impossible that some people may have been praising Bitcoin as something similar with God or a god.


Title: Re: The Idea of Bitcoin As A Religion
Post by: adzino on August 05, 2021, 04:56:12 PM

Well, have you thought about this idea that Bitcoin can be like a religion too? With some level of fanaticism, there can be people who are considering the Bitcoin community like a cultish one but then again all form of organization in varying degree has this energy and can even be used as a bonding agent. Now, in my opinion, while this idea can be a big welcome to some, this can also turned off those people who are not inclined to take up religious matters into their lives.

What's your opinion on this matter?
How do you guys come up with things like this? I mean, why? How can someone turn bitcoin into a religion? The cult, are they going to say that Satoshi was a god that created something very powerful like bitcoin that solved all financial problems of every human being? A miracle! Lol. Religion is something that gives people hope during desperate time. I don't think people can rely or hope anything from bitcoin when something awful is happening in their life. So I think the idea of bitcoin as a religion is somewhat crazy.


Title: Re: The Idea of Bitcoin As A Religion
Post by: Pierre Gerson on August 06, 2021, 02:10:48 AM
I don’t think Bitcoin can be used as a religion, because it will be a drag on Bitcoin. I don’t want to spend a lot of my energy on operating Bitcoin. It’s true that others talk about me as a believer in Bitcoin. I’m not obsessed with it yet.

I think the OP just thinks this view is an interesting idea, but it is not the case, give up this kind of thinking, and don't let your thinking be tied to religion.

Bitcoin is a highly credible blockchain product, and we live in a credible network.


Title: Re: The Idea of Bitcoin As A Religion
Post by: mrongoz_imut on August 06, 2021, 02:33:29 AM
I think the essence is different. people being fanatical about bitcoin does not mean bitcoin becomes their religion, but because bitcoin provides real benefits, so maybe whatever people say they will not pay attention to, in religion it prioritizes spiritual needs, this is different from bitcoin which only prioritizes business. on the other hand bitcoin can be manipulated by someone, but will this apply to religion, where its teachings are absolute and inviolable
true as you said, bitcoin is just a belief, and belief, while religion is a matter of faith, faith cannot be exchanged for anything, if bitcoin is definitely we are looking for profit in this business, because if the price is high we will definitely release bitcoin and sell it.. so it's not logical if we associate bitcoin with religion..


Title: Re: The Idea of Bitcoin As A Religion
Post by: pealr12 on August 06, 2021, 03:18:26 AM
It's kind of funny some people really do think Bitcoin as a religion, maybe they are just grateful about the opportunity that the Bitcoin give to them but considering it as a religion is a not really a good idea. If the market falls they might call it a devil or if a new revolutionary coin will come they might even forget the Bitcoin.

Yeah people do weird stuff that has no meaning, this shouldn't come as a surprise at all, except I fail to understand why btc be seen as a religion, what exactly makes it appear as one! What system of faith btc has that though, loving the technology and the whole concept is one thing, taking it as a religion is another thing, however, people perceive things differently and it is their prerogative to do so.


Title: Re: The Idea of Bitcoin As A Religion
Post by: Semar Mesem on August 06, 2021, 03:29:33 AM
I don’t think Bitcoin can be used as a religion, because it will be a drag on Bitcoin. I don’t want to spend a lot of my energy on operating Bitcoin. It’s true that others talk about me as a believer in Bitcoin. I’m not obsessed with it yet.

I think the OP just thinks this view is an interesting idea, but it is not the case, give up this kind of thinking, and don't let your thinking be tied to religion.

Bitcoin is a highly credible blockchain product, and we live in a credible network.


Righ, it's ridiculous if we overdo it in bitcoin, even i don't see the bitcoin price every day even though i have a balance in the wallet, i only check the price when i really need money or when i have extra money to buy bitcoin.


Title: Re: The Idea of Bitcoin As A Religion
Post by: lienfaye on August 06, 2021, 03:30:47 AM
Bitcoin as a religion? People thinking this way is too much attached on bitcoin to think that its a religion.

Even it has a wide community and maybe sharing same sentiments about this digital currency, its funny thinking that someone is considering it as a religion.

Well we have different belief but not to the extent that we are treating bitcoin as a system of faith and worship.