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Title: Spoiler option?
Post by: AnoniX1 on August 09, 2021, 06:41:30 PM

I'm not sure if I don't find it or it don't exist - what about a spoiler function for posting in this forum?


Title: Re: Spoiler option?
Post by: Little Mouse on August 09, 2021, 06:45:07 PM
It's not available in bitcointalk.
A better explanation from Ddmrddmr- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5242944.msg54284196#msg54284196


Title: Re: Spoiler option?
Post by: o_e_l_e_o on August 09, 2021, 07:21:41 PM
You can hide text like this:

Spoiler text.
Code:
[glow=black,2,300]Spoiler text.[/glow]

Or even cooler like this:

Spoiler text.
Code:
[color=#ECEDF3]Spoiler text.[/color]

Use #F6F6F6 instead of #ECEDF3 if your post is on the lighter blue background of the default forum color scheme.

The two examples above obviously won't show up correctly for anyone using alternate color schemes or themes, light text on dark backgrounds, high contrast modes, simplified reading modes, etc.


Title: Re: Spoiler option?
Post by: mk4 on August 10, 2021, 06:13:07 AM
It doesn't exist, and I think it's pretty unnecessary. If we can read articles and documents properly without the use of spoiler tags, then I think a forum should work really fine. And yes, spoiler tags could help a bit in terms of making certain posts look a bit more neat, but it's something that proper writing structure could fix.


Title: Re: Spoiler option?
Post by: acroman08 on August 10, 2021, 09:32:04 AM
As other member said, spoiler tag isn't exist. But looking at your signature, i would suggest you to put NSFW warning (with bigger font size, bold or red/blue color) at top of your thread instead.
I remember seeing someone with a live cam porn signature in the past. so I thought having NSFW content without warning on the signature is allowed and an NSFW warning will only be needed to be put if the NSFW content is on an avatar, on a post, or a thread. that being said, the OP's thread about the live cam site should have an NSFW on the Title.

edit:
anyway, this is the user that I am talking about
coin.princess (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=330687)


Title: Re: Spoiler option?
Post by: libert19 on August 10, 2021, 10:30:33 AM
You can hide text like this:

Spoiler text.
Code:
[glow=black,2,300]Spoiler text.[/glow]

Or even cooler like this:

Spoiler text.
Code:
[color=#ECEDF3]Spoiler text.[/color]

Use #F6F6F6 instead of #ECEDF3 if your post is on the lighter blue background of the default forum color scheme.

The two examples above obviously won't show up correctly for anyone using alternate color schemes or themes, light text on dark backgrounds, high contrast modes, simplified reading modes, etc.

And you copy the text to read what's in it?


Title: Re: Spoiler option?
Post by: acroman08 on August 10, 2021, 12:08:36 PM
And you copy the text to read what's in it?
no, you don't have to copy/paste the text to read it. just double click the darkened part and it will highlight what is in it. I encountered something like this in the past but instead here in the forum. but instead of black, the text font color is in white. if I remember correctly. the user who did that was trying to hide a suspicious link on his post.

here's a photo of what will happen if you double click the darkened part
https://i.imgur.com/pqAuXf9.jpg


Title: Re: Spoiler option?
Post by: rhomelmabini on August 10, 2021, 01:44:09 PM
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=119806.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=351873.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1856082.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2659575.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3148007.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4586905.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5222433.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5242944.0

Been suggested way back 2012. Guess what? Even the Global Mod @hilariousandco already made a suggestion regarding the feature. I feel the way as well to have this spoiler tag but I don't think if this will be implemented here maybe on the developing epochtalk forum.


Title: Re: Spoiler option?
Post by: noorman0 on August 10, 2021, 05:02:53 PM
If you don't see what I wrote, please click "quote" button then "preview"
[/quote]

Before you quoted, this text is only 1pt in size. I find this useful for long posts and only really works well if you don't add images, emojis, tables, codes, quotes, links and change the text color between the hidden text. However, I hesitate to use it because there is a risk of plagiarism for those who quote my post if they don't know about the post quoting technique. Fyi, until the next bold text, this post belongs to noorman0


Title: Re: Spoiler option?
Post by: Little Mouse on August 10, 2021, 05:36:59 PM
Been suggested way back 2012. Guess what? Even the Global Mod @hilariousandco already made a suggestion regarding the feature. I feel the way as well to have this spoiler tag but I don't think if this will be implemented here maybe on the developing epochtalk forum.
I just had a look at smf forum and searched for spoiler tag and found this thread- Inline Hover Spoiler BBCode (https://custom.simplemachines.org/mods/index.php?mod=1438). This is created back in 2008 and updated in 2014 but sadly I can't see 1.1.19 (bitcointalk smf version) in compatible list. Maybe that's the reason?


Title: Re: Spoiler option?
Post by: BlackPinker on August 11, 2021, 08:20:11 AM
This not only has the effect of avoiding spoilers. Another function is to hide offensive words or jokes. This may be more acceptable to other readers


Title: Re: Spoiler option?
Post by: FatFork on August 11, 2021, 07:28:01 PM
The two examples above obviously won't show up correctly for anyone using alternate color schemes or themes, light text on dark backgrounds, high contrast modes, simplified reading modes, etc.

Another option using a color tag is the "transparent" parameter:
Code:
[color=transparent]Spoiler text.[/color]

Using this method, the text will always blend with the background, regardless of the background color, so it will also work when using custom themes or high contrast modes.


Title: Re: Spoiler option?
Post by: PrimeNumber7 on August 12, 2021, 05:22:36 AM
The two examples above obviously won't show up correctly for anyone using alternate color schemes or themes, light text on dark backgrounds, high contrast modes, simplified reading modes, etc.

Another option using a color tag is the "transparent" parameter:
Code:
[color=transparent]Spoiler text.[/color]

Using this method, the text will always blend with the background, regardless of the background color, so it will also work when using custom themes or high contrast modes.

If you post text with "transparent" color, anyone reading your post will not know there is text hidden unless you say so in your post. (I also suspect that some spammers may read this thread to get ideas as to how to make posts with a sufficiently large character count without having to write something coherent.

An actual spoiler tag would allow the text to be clearly marked as a spoiler, and will allow the reader to easily view the spoiler text. Users could also have the option of displaying spoiler text by default.


Title: Re: Spoiler option?
Post by: actmyname on August 12, 2021, 05:43:55 AM
(I also suspect that some spammers may read this thread to get ideas as to how to make posts with a sufficiently large character count without having to write something coherent.
If spammers are doing this, I'm not quite sure what their goal is: if a manager is simply checking post quality by using the metric of raw character count, then it doesn't seem like a situation where you need to exercise this much discretion. You could probably get away with much more.
Here is my makeshift spoiler, using the [abbr] tag: █████

Hopefully you appreciate this as a useful alternative. You just need the inner character, but it behaves functionally identically to [spoiler]


Title: Re: Spoiler option?
Post by: PrimeNumber7 on August 12, 2021, 06:08:10 AM
(I also suspect that some spammers may read this thread to get ideas as to how to make posts with a sufficiently large character count without having to write something coherent.
If spammers are doing this, I'm not quite sure what their goal is: if a manager is simply checking post quality by using the metric of raw character count, then it doesn't seem like a situation where you need to exercise this much discretion. You could probably get away with much more.
Managers may do a spot check of posts, but if you are creating posts with 100 characters instead of 150, and a manager has 30 participants to check that make 20 posts each, there is only so much scrutiny they can give to individual posts. Managers have to use some level of automation, and vet participants prior to allowing them to join.


Here is my makeshift spoiler, using the [abbr] tag: █████

Hopefully you appreciate this as a useful alternative. You just need the inner character, but it behaves functionally identically to [spoiler]
You are limited as to how much information you can keep in the "spoiler" as the display box will only be so wide.

Also, if someone is not sure what you are doing, they may spend an inordinate amount of time trying to figure out what is "behind" the text "█████" without success, and never actually see the spoiler text.


Title: Re: Spoiler option?
Post by: actmyname on August 12, 2021, 06:14:34 AM
You are limited as to how much information you can keep in the "spoiler" as the display box will only be so wide.
Correct. Though I'm not sure what good it would do to contain large fields of text in a spoiler box. You're not exactly hiding detailed national secrets. Hopefully whoever is structuring the reply will make hidden text a reasonable length.

Also, if someone is not sure what you are doing, they may spend an inordinate amount of time trying to figure out what is "behind" the text "█████" without success, and never actually see the spoiler text.
Replaceable with any alternative text, like [hover] or [spoiler]. I figured the conventional "black box spoiler" was clear enough but again, audience targeting is at the discretion of the post-bearer.

Or use an image.

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.scoobynet.com-vbulletin/1936x1936/image_8f58c9b9f846a3ebed289919cfe126ff68516f3f.jpeg


Title: Re: Spoiler option?
Post by: PrimeNumber7 on August 12, 2021, 06:36:43 AM
You are limited as to how much information you can keep in the "spoiler" as the display box will only be so wide.
Correct. Though I'm not sure what good it would do to contain large fields of text in a spoiler box. You're not exactly hiding detailed national secrets. Hopefully whoever is structuring the reply will make hidden text a reasonable length.
Someone could be wanting to temporarily hide a list or multiple steps of logic that requires multiple lines. Neither of these is compatible with the abbr tag.

Also, if someone is not sure what you are doing, they may spend an inordinate amount of time trying to figure out what is "behind" the text "█████" without success, and never actually see the spoiler text.
Replaceable with any alternative text, like [hover] or [spoiler]. I figured the conventional "black box spoiler" was clear enough but again, audience targeting is at the discretion of the post-bearer.
My initial assumption was that you are doing something similar to what o_e_l_e_o did above (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5353567.msg57656503#msg57656503). If you use those black boxes, some readers may not realize you are in fact using black boxes, and that the underlying text is found elsewhere.

I have seen spoiler tags in other forums such that a spoiler tag is displayed by the forum, and a user to click a button to see (and copy) the hidden text. When the hidden text is not displayed, the reader does not know if the hidden text is 1 line or 100. Once the hidden text is displayed, the viewer can read the hidden text without having to keep their mouse in a static location, for example, to check sources on a given topic.


Title: Re: Spoiler option?
Post by: actmyname on August 12, 2021, 06:48:06 AM
Someone could be wanting to temporarily hide a list or multiple steps of logic that requires multiple lines. Neither of these is compatible with the abbr tag.
As for multiple lines, you can just use multiple tags. Simple enough. If you need the list to be vertical for some reason, there's surely a different solution than shoehorning a spoiler alternative into our (very) limited BBCode capabilities.
AFAICT, none of the tools available grant us a one-page spoiler button. You could link someone to a separate page or an anchor link to a separate post on the topic if you wanted something more involved.

My point is that someone structuring a post should keep in mind that at a certain point, it seems dubious to hide a significant amount of content behind a spoiler tag. If it's important, you should put it on display in your post. If the point is to save space, then we have multiple posts, URLs, and anchors.

An indexed post similar to this thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=990345.0) also achieves a similar "click to see" structure.
Granted, I would not be against implementing the spoiler tag. We do have very functional alternatives, though, and the addition would only really improve accessibility.


Title: Re: Spoiler option?
Post by: TryNinja on August 12, 2021, 07:16:47 AM
If you post text with "transparent" color, anyone reading your post will not know there is text hidden unless you say so in your post.
Potential solution:

Spoiler: Spoiler text.

Code:
Spoiler: [u][color=transparent]Spoiler text.[/color][/u]


Title: Re: Spoiler option?
Post by: LoyceV on August 12, 2021, 07:56:12 AM
Another function is to hide offensive words or jokes.
What is it nowadays with people wanting to censor themselves out of fear that someone else will think it's offensive? It's ridiculous:
being offended is a choice of the receiver, and honestly I'm offended by people who want to limit their own freedom of speech out of fear that someone might get his feelings hurt on the internet! Oh noes!

It's okay to offended people! Offensive jokes are often funny. Don't let SJW decide what you're allowed to say or even think!

Total line of the source code is only 113 lines (29, 37 and 47 from 3 different files), surely someone could modify it without lots of effort to make it compatible bitcointalk SMF.
Each change to the forum has the risk of adding security problems.

An actual spoiler tag would allow the text to be clearly marked as a spoiler, and will allow the reader to easily view the spoiler text.
That's easy:
Spoiler: hidden
It doesn't work on images though.


Title: Re: Spoiler option?
Post by: FatFork on August 12, 2021, 08:01:17 AM
If you post text with "transparent" color, anyone reading your post will not know there is text hidden unless you say so in your post.
Potential solution:

Spoiler: Spoiler text.

Code:
Spoiler: [u][color=transparent]Spoiler text.[/color][/u]

The best part is that this solution also works on Ninjastic.space (both light and dark themes).  ;D

https://i.imgur.com/F879VYy.png