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Title: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: Kakmakr on August 12, 2021, 12:10:03 PM
We will soon see the start of the Paralympic Games.... ( 24 Aug 2021 to 5 Sept 2021 ) ...so I was thinking if it was ethical to bet on these events? Will it be disrespectful towards people with disabilities or will they want to be handled in the same manner that any other athlete wants to be handled? 

I spoke to a few disabled people at work and they have no problem if their athletes get the same attention as any other athlete that competes in the Olympic Games.  ;)  They say it will be disrespectful if they are treated in any other way...

So what do you guys and gals think..... ?


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: passwordnow on August 12, 2021, 12:33:53 PM
It is ethical, it's still a sport. The moment that we ponder whether it's ethical or not is offensive to the people that will participate in this game because they want to be treated the same and not be singled out or pointed out for their difference.
I agree and IMHO, it's fine. They're also athletes and probably they know that there might be some bets that will be looking into their matches. And it is true, they don't want to see others treating them as that since they're also training and does the same as the usual athletes, they would  appreciate it more if the treatment isn't different as that make it looks pity on them.
But if you think that it's not good then follow what you're thinking about this.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: jrrsparkles on August 12, 2021, 12:40:44 PM
They are also athletes,they are also humans then why we have to show partiality towards them? Our sympathy kills them more than their disability so just go ahead and treat them as how you treat people, nothing wrong with such betting events if its ethical to bet on Olympic games.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: Smartprofit on August 12, 2021, 12:57:06 PM
We will soon see the start of the Paralympic Games.... ( 24 Aug 2021 to 5 Sept 2021 ) ...so I was thinking if it was ethical to bet on these events? Will it be disrespectful towards people with disabilities or will they want to be handled in the same manner that any other athlete wants to be handled?  

I spoke to a few disabled people at work and they have no problem if their athletes get the same attention as any other athlete that competes in the Olympic Games.  ;)  They say it will be disrespectful if they are treated in any other way...

So what do you guys and gals think..... ?

In my opinion, these rates are absolutely ethical.  Participants in the Paralympic Games are the same athletes as the participants in the Olympic Games.  

They are strong and courageous people.  They deserve great respect.  They do not require a special approach to themselves.  On the contrary, it would be unpleasant for them.  They want to be treated like ordinary athletes.  

Therefore, betting on winning the Paralympic Games is quite appropriate.  

Sports betting is a very interesting subtype of gambling.

I will gladly place bets on winning the Paralympic Games.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: acroman08 on August 12, 2021, 12:57:43 PM
why would it be disrespectful? I mean it's not like people are making fun and betting on them for being disabled. I mean, people are betting on them because they are athletes and not because they are disabled. I don't see why it would be unethical.  

They say it will be disrespectful if they are treated in any other way...
exactly!


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: robelneo on August 12, 2021, 01:07:46 PM
We will soon see the start of the Paralympic Games.... ( 24 Aug 2021 to 5 Sept 2021 ) ...so I was thinking if it was ethical to bet on these events? Will it be disrespectful towards people with disabilities or will they want to be handled in the same manner that any other athlete wants to be handled? 

I spoke to a few disabled people at work and they have no problem if their athletes get the same attention as any other athlete that competes in the Olympic Games.  ;)  They say it will be disrespectful if they are treated in any other way...

So what do you guys and gals think..... ?

In the first place, they are holding the Paralympic for equality and to be treated equals like a normal athlete and their sports like all the sports in the Olympics, so I don't see anything wrong why it's unethical to bet on their games, the unethical is questioning their capability, these athletes have train real hard and their respective government has supported them, we should give them the same treatment like athletes in the Olympic.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: rhomelmabini on August 12, 2021, 01:16:51 PM
These guys and gals doesn't consider their disabilities as a hindrance onto the path to success or the way they play the games they love to. I guess it's still ethical to bet with them during these kind of events I think that might boost their morales if somehow there's other people that trust what they can do, just my two cents.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: Kakmakr on August 12, 2021, 01:20:29 PM
We will soon see the start of the Paralympic Games.... ( 24 Aug 2021 to 5 Sept 2021 ) ...so I was thinking if it was ethical to bet on these events? Will it be disrespectful towards people with disabilities or will they want to be handled in the same manner that any other athlete wants to be handled? 

I spoke to a few disabled people at work and they have no problem if their athletes get the same attention as any other athlete that competes in the Olympic Games.  ;)  They say it will be disrespectful if they are treated in any other way...

So what do you guys and gals think..... ?

In the first place, they are holding the Paralympic for equality and to be treated equals like a normal athlete and their sports like all the sports in the Olympics, so I don't see anything wrong why it's unethical to bet on their games, the unethical is questioning their capability, these athletes have train real hard and their respective government has supported them, we should give them the same treatment like athletes in the Olympic.

Ok, you make a good point, but I still feel it will be rude to bet on Sports where people are disabled. There should not be anything wrong with people watching Sport where disabled people compete, but betting on it.. is taking it a little bit too far?

In any way, will bookmakers and casinos agree on betting on the Paralympics... or will they think it is too controversial to allow bets to be placed on disabled people?

Any casino marketing staff ..wiling to give us some opinions?


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: acroman08 on August 12, 2021, 01:39:36 PM
There should not be anything wrong with people watching Sport where disabled people compete, but betting on it.. is taking it a little bit too far?
why betting on it would it be a little too far? what difference does it make if people bet on them? they are athletes just like the ones in the Olympics.

In any way, will bookmakers and casinos agree on betting on the Paralympics... or will they think it is too controversial to allow bets to be placed on disabled people?
reading articles around it seems that there are bookies posting odds on Paralympics but according to them the audience or people betting on Paralympics is extremely low compare to the people betting on the Olympics. betting on it shouldn't be controversial. but that is just my personal opinion.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: michellee on August 12, 2021, 02:08:40 PM
I feel it is not right to use them to gamble and I think it is disrespectful for us to do that to them. They want to be handled like any other athlete but we should not gamble for their performance or winning.

Maybe we can show the other things like attention to them and I am sure they will appreciate it. But I do not know if others want to gamble for them and I do not mind with that because gamble or not will be up to them.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: worle1bm on August 12, 2021, 02:18:08 PM
We will soon see the start of the Paralympic Games.... ( 24 Aug 2021 to 5 Sept 2021 ) ...so I was thinking if it was ethical to bet on these events? Will it be disrespectful towards people with disabilities or will they want to be handled in the same manner that any other athlete wants to be handled? 

I spoke to a few disabled people at work and they have no problem if their athletes get the same attention as any other athlete that competes in the Olympic Games.  ;)  They say it will be disrespectful if they are treated in any other way...

So what do you guys and gals think..... ?
It is completely ethical and we are not going to disrespect any participants by making bad remarks on anyone so i don't think so there is something bad to bet upon on Paralympics events which are going to start soon.We also need to take it as major sports event because they all take active part in all games and motivate all of us ignoring any disability and discrimination on any grounds. If we are giving them same or more respect then betting is very much fun for the same so have it positively man.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: Cling18 on August 12, 2021, 02:19:29 PM
They are being treated equally so I don't see any problem with it. It's actually their way to prove to everyone that despite their disabilities, they're still able to do things that normal people can't do. We should normalize paralympic games because they aren't too different from us. We should admire these athletes instead because they excel in their own ways.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: adzino on August 12, 2021, 02:22:01 PM
Why would betting on Paralympic games be unethical? If it is okay to bet on all other games/events, why is this any different betting here? Just because it is the game for the disabled people? But don't they all want to be treated equally? I don't think they would mind or feel offended if anyone bets on their games. In fact it should make them feel better because we think that their games are worth betting on, right?


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: Wexnident on August 12, 2021, 02:43:54 PM
Not considering them as a normal sport and instead of taking them as something "special" would be much ruder compared to being allowed to bet on their Olympics. It's like the situation is trying to make them feel normal and accepted but your consideration is actually making it a special situation for them. Treating them just like other types of sports betting is pretty much offering them the same respect that we have for the regular sports Olympics, no matter how "Unethical" (I actually don't see anything unethical with it tbh) it is.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: Jawhead999 on August 12, 2021, 03:55:32 PM
Bet on disabled people is not exploiting them, we can call itu exploit if we do bad things to him like force to be a beggar, force to win or he will got attacked etc.

IMO betting on this games should with low amount money to prevent from lost control. It's just for fun only either win or lost, we shouldn't mad with the athletes or even worse write a comment with bad words on their social media.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: Alisha-k on August 12, 2021, 04:00:36 PM
its all depends on the organisers and the athletes. i believe no sports book will list a paralympic game to their gaming options without seeking their consent and if they approve it then it will be very ethical to gamble but anything outside that will be unlawful. i believe this disabled athletes love to be cheered too and if so i think betting on it will also be cool


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: ralle14 on August 12, 2021, 05:06:32 PM
Ok, you make a good point, but I still feel it will be rude to bet on Sports where people are disabled. There should not be anything wrong with people watching Sport where disabled people compete, but betting on it.. is taking it a little bit too far?

In any way, will bookmakers and casinos agree on betting on the Paralympics... or will they think it is too controversial to allow bets to be placed on disabled people?
They'd probably offer it as long as the market is available from their providers. I guess it depends on how you view betting because for me it's one way to root for them as i'm expecting them to win and if they lose i'd just move on.

I don't think it's that controversial since this event is going on for years and imo it'll take more than controversy to sway the decision of bookmakers since they've been adding crazier betting events like that slapping tournament.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: Woodie on August 12, 2021, 05:34:46 PM
Why would it be up for debate to determine whether  this sport is ethical or not, wouldn't this be some kind of discrimination to do so? Anyway not sure about its ethical view but just like any other sport Paralympic Games shouldn't be treated any different as they are recognized sports, so people can bet on them however they like unless if you said this sport was considered to be illegal like dog fighting,street fighting or something.



Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: imstillthebest on August 12, 2021, 05:52:54 PM
I think it isn't . People with disabilities wants to join an event like this in the first place because they show that they can do what can a normal person can do .
if a sport like this allowed then why not betting ? But Its still up to the betting platform if they will support such event or not but I think theres only less of them exist and many foccus on the main Olympics event .


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: jrrsparkles on August 12, 2021, 06:17:54 PM

I don't think it's that controversial since this event is going on for years and imo it'll take more than controversy to sway the decision of bookmakers since they've been adding crazier betting events like that slapping tournament.
Maybe we can see sportbookies for cockfighting as well which is actually a popular but illegal game on the most part of this world. ;D


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: alegotardo on August 12, 2021, 06:33:37 PM
We will soon see the start of the Paralympic Games.... ( 24 Aug 2021 to 5 Sept 2021 ) ...so I was thinking if it was ethical to bet on these events? Will it be disrespectful towards people with disabilities or will they want to be handled in the same manner that any other athlete wants to be handled? 

I spoke to a few disabled people at work and they have no problem if their athletes get the same attention as any other athlete that competes in the Olympic Games.  ;)  They say it will be disrespectful if they are treated in any other way...

So what do you guys and gals think..... ?

I agree with most here, I don't see any ethical issues with this.

Betting on these athletes is the same as rooting for their victory and their ability to win, of course in this case the bettor is the main beneficiary of this action, even so, it doesn't take the merit that there is someone betting on the potential of that athlete, it's totally the opposite of denigrating him.

The only problem I see is you being able to find good sites to place these bets, especially if you want to bet with cryptos.
The Paralympic unfortunately, attracts much less attention and encouragement than the official Olympic Games.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: passwordnow on August 12, 2021, 08:55:24 PM
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I agree and IMHO, it's fine. They're also athletes and probably they know that there might be some bets that will be looking into their matches. And it is true, they don't want to see others treating them as that since they're also training and does the same as the usual athletes, they would  appreciate it more if the treatment isn't different as that make it looks pity on them.
But if you think that it's not good then follow what you're thinking about this.
Plus, the more we point out their difference to us, then they will feel more left out, that's the solution to almost anything bigotry related, treat them how you want to be treated and don't see them as something lower than you and you're already good to go. Pitying them is equivalent to being an ableist so don't do that thing.
You said it right. They don't want to be treated like, they are even showing the world that they can do it because they don't feel that they're already closed down because of the physical problem that they have.
It's fine, we treat them the same and they are even uplifting themselves since they've join such tournaments like this so we should also not show that they're different. Bet if you want to or not if you don't think it's not right.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: Kyraishi on August 12, 2021, 09:18:50 PM
We will soon see the start of the Paralympic Games.... ( 24 Aug 2021 to 5 Sept 2021 ) ...so I was thinking if it was ethical to bet on these events? Will it be disrespectful towards people with disabilities or will they want to be handled in the same manner that any other athlete wants to be handled? 

I spoke to a few disabled people at work and they have no problem if their athletes get the same attention as any other athlete that competes in the Olympic Games.  ;)  They say it will be disrespectful if they are treated in any other way...

So what do you guys and gals think..... ?

Wouldn't it be less ethical if we discriminated against them and treated them as different?

Betting in itself has nothing wrong. You're not affecting the athletes in any way, you're not affecting the results of the outcome.

If anything, you're bringing more sponsorship money to these athletes - as a rule of thumb, the bigger the gambling market in a particular event, the more sponsors are willing to pay for deals with athletes. But all in all, there is no harm done - it's just like betting on the Olympics.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: DoublerHunter on August 12, 2021, 09:45:47 PM
I think it isn't . People with disabilities wants to join an event like this in the first place because they show that they can do what can a normal person can do .
if a sport like this allowed then why not betting ? But Its still up to the betting platform if they will support such event or not but I think theres only less of them exist and many foccus on the main Olympics event .
^ That was how exactly what I say, they are also an athlete and all of them have disabilities so no one there considers as a normal athlete. We can place our bet if we want and that is not about an ethical thing. That is a major international sports competition for athletes with disabilities but they are still human and an athlete there is nothing wrong with betting in the Paralympics event and in fact they are fine, in that way, we could not even hurt them but instead, inspire them about their goal.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: Zilon on August 12, 2021, 10:00:18 PM
So what do you guys and gals think..... ?
It's a man who wears a shoe that knows where it actually pinches him. If you spoke to some disabled athletes and from you responds the gave their consent then it's no longer an issue. Personally I will not feel comfortable placing a bet on their games because I wouldn't feel satisfied with it but if it's endosered by the athletes then I will go ahead knowing full well it wouldn't look in any way unlawful


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: paxmao on August 12, 2021, 10:07:08 PM
I see absolutely no legal concern whatsoever on betting just because the competing teams or athletes are disabled or, how is now called, "diverse in abilities". It is as ethical as betting in women's games, men's games or any other competition that aims to stretch the human limits and to find out how far can hard work, science and determination take the human natural limitations. In the case of Paralympics it is, if any, even more inspiring than the usual olympics.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: Mahanton on August 12, 2021, 10:38:50 PM
We will soon see the start of the Paralympic Games.... ( 24 Aug 2021 to 5 Sept 2021 ) ...so I was thinking if it was ethical to bet on these events? Will it be disrespectful towards people with disabilities or will they want to be handled in the same manner that any other athlete wants to be handled? 

I spoke to a few disabled people at work and they have no problem if their athletes get the same attention as any other athlete that competes in the Olympic Games.  ;)  They say it will be disrespectful if they are treated in any other way...

So what do you guys and gals think..... ?
I dont see any problems with that and it did came into his mouth that it is just okay and they would be treated just like the same into those typical normal athletes which would  really be much more preferred by them.
As a gamble then it would turn out to be a person choice if you would really make out bets out of those disabled person who joined the olympics or wouldnt really put up any personal feelings and would bet just like usual.

We do have different perceptions into this manner but most like gambler wouldnt really see this as a problem and so as into those participants which you can presume that they would be having similar words
into those someone who had been asked out.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: Johnyz on August 12, 2021, 10:40:17 PM
If this is unethical, what more on the bets for Boxing and other fighting matches who are trying to destroy the opponent, that could be more unethical. Well, we all have different views about this one and if you think betting on Paralympic games will affect your emotion, better not to place your bet and just watch them fighting and proving that they are capable to play the game as well.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: AmoreJaz on August 12, 2021, 10:45:53 PM
If this is unethical, what more on the bets for Boxing and other fighting matches who are trying to destroy the opponent, that could be more unethical. Well, we all have different views about this one and if you think betting on Paralympic games will affect your emotion, better not to place your bet and just watch them fighting and proving that they are capable to play the game as well.

my take on this = why would it be unethical to bet on this event? treat it as the same with any other sports. they want also to receive the same treatment like a regular athlete. only people are giving other meanings of what you are doing even if you have no other intentions but you just want to bet. truly, people have their differences on their outlook in life. we all just need is respect of each other's opinion.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: goinmerry on August 12, 2021, 10:52:35 PM
How it ends up with the idea that it's disrespectful for the disabled person? Can you elaborate on that?

Didn't you know that some of them really want to feel the experience of involving in sports which in reality, they can't even do. They have skills that they want to show to the community. The event is their best chance to do it and the only time they can make it.

These individuals are trained and the event is running for a long now without a massive critics globally.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: Dread Pirate Roberts on August 12, 2021, 11:19:35 PM
We will soon see the start of the Paralympic Games.... ( 24 Aug 2021 to 5 Sept 2021 ) ...so I was thinking if it was ethical to bet on these events? Will it be disrespectful towards people with disabilities or will they want to be handled in the same manner that any other athlete wants to be handled? 


I see it in a different way that it will let other people know that an event like this exists. and we also indirectly support them. as long as there is no insulting treatment I think it's still okay. Support for athletes can be in various ways and betting on this like treating them equally as professional and competitive athletes.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: goaldigger on August 12, 2021, 11:27:49 PM
You have to see their talent and you’ll realize how good they are compare to other normal people.
This can only be unethical with the way you see them, but for me they are normal people and you can actually bet to them as long as you see the sportsbook offering this games, there should be no problem to that.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: Welsh on August 12, 2021, 11:29:26 PM
I'd have to agree with your colleagues. It would likely be more unethical to treat them different based on the fact that they compete in the Paralympic Games. It would likely be unethical to bet against them if they were competing in the Olympics main (for a lack of a better word) events, and I do by no means want to make that sound like I'm being degrading on the Paralympic Games, like its not a main event, I just can't think of another word to use.

How it ends up with the idea that it's disrespectful for the disabled person? Can you elaborate on that?

Didn't you know that some of them really want to feel the experience of involving in sports which in reality, they can't even do. They have skills that they want to show to the community. The event is their best chance to do it and the only time they can make it.

These individuals are trained and the event is running for a long now without a massive critics globally.
As far as I'm concerned, they are some of the most mentally strong, and committed athletes in the world. I'm not one for the Olympics in general, but you've got to respect anyone that's in a disadvantaged (again for a lack of a better word) situation, being able to break through that, and perform to a excellent level, is definitely respectable.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: Fatunad on August 12, 2021, 11:51:57 PM
We will soon see the start of the Paralympic Games.... ( 24 Aug 2021 to 5 Sept 2021 ) ...so I was thinking if it was ethical to bet on these events? Will it be disrespectful towards people with disabilities or will they want to be handled in the same manner that any other athlete wants to be handled? 

I spoke to a few disabled people at work and they have no problem if their athletes get the same attention as any other athlete that competes in the Olympic Games.  ;)  They say it will be disrespectful if they are treated in any other way...

So what do you guys and gals think..... ?
How could it be disrespectful if you do make out bets of those disabled person?We rather see or appreciate on what they've been doing just like a normal athlete could do.
They wouldnt really care if you do make out bets out of their plays or not because the thing that they do have in mind is to win up the competition against other nation.
As a gambler then its up to you if you would really able to have good feeling on betting with those disabled person or not but generally i dont really see any problems
with this and as said that this is just personal preference.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: dothebeats on August 13, 2021, 12:00:02 AM
I wouldn't say it's unethical, but rather I'd say it's supporting the league and the athletes as well. They strive to get better themselves and to get even better at their craft, and us spectators can only watch in awe and amazement every time they accomplish numerous feats that even us able-bodied individuals cannot do.

It's not mocking the paralympic athletes when we bet on their events IMO. We believe in their capabilities that we risk money in order to support them.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: aioc on August 13, 2021, 12:03:15 AM
I don't see anything wrong with it, they are playing sports and they want to excel on it, so I don't see anything ethical on it, betting is a form of support, if we are betting on them we are supporting their cause and their efforts to excel and win their respective matches, I don't see anything wrong on it, we have to treat them just like how we treat other normal athletes.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: Reid on August 13, 2021, 01:11:48 AM
Treat them the same as you treat normal guys. That's what they want. No special treatments.
Betting on them? That's on you and me. It's our money that we will lose and not theirs.
Ethical? I think most people have forgotten that word now. Mostly, they will just do what they want and tell it is their own life, money, and freedom.
Who would even care about ethics nowadays? Perhaps our old men are the only ones left who care about it.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: Darker45 on August 13, 2021, 02:06:55 AM
There is nothing unethical about it. It has nothing to do with their disabilities anyway. So I agree with them. They are into sports which fit them best and they are in a competition.

It is not unethical to root for a certain team or player in that league. And sometimes being a fan or supporting a team or player goes beyond just cheering and praying for their victory. To a gambler, it also means putting money where his/her mouth is.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: coin-investor on August 13, 2021, 03:31:01 AM
All of us voted it's not unethical, their respective country is rooted and betting on them so I don't see anything unethical on my point of view, the Paralympic was set up so handicapped people can excel in their field of endeavors in sports, I don't betting on my favorite I know they deserve my bet because they trained for their sports.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: qwertyup23 on August 13, 2021, 04:20:23 AM
We will soon see the start of the Paralympic Games.... ( 24 Aug 2021 to 5 Sept 2021 ) ...so I was thinking if it was ethical to bet on these events? Will it be disrespectful towards people with disabilities or will they want to be handled in the same manner that any other athlete wants to be handled? 

I spoke to a few disabled people at work and they have no problem if their athletes get the same attention as any other athlete that competes in the Olympic Games.  ;)  They say it will be disrespectful if they are treated in any other way...

So what do you guys and gals think..... ?

Personally, I think the fact that we question whether it is ethical to bet on paralympians or not implies that there is a discrimination towards these PWDs. The ultimate goal here is to see them as equals but considering their disabilities for additional compensation and help.

That is why, I do not see any reason on why there should be a question on why betting them would be ethical or not, though I do understand the reason on bringing this topic up. Regardless, let us continue cheering on them and wishing them the best of luck in their respective games. In addition, let's also continue betting on platforms that are valid!


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: mu_enrico on August 13, 2021, 04:24:54 AM
Before asking about the ethicality of "betting on the Paralympic Games," you should ask "is Paralympic ethical?" or even "is it a good idea?"
If the answer is yes, then it's okay to bet on it.

They want to be competitive and receive no discrimination, thus we give them what they asked. Not betting on them will be a form of discrimination, lul.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: rodskee on August 13, 2021, 04:28:26 AM
Will it be disrespectful towards people with disabilities or will they want to be handled in the same manner that any other athlete wants to be handled?  

if you will check their Autobiography mate, most of them are fighting and struggling just to prove their capacity to be like normal , they are not normal physically or mentally but at least they can prove being humans,

so betting towards their games can make them more prouder .
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I spoke to a few disabled people at work and they have no problem if their athletes get the same attention as any other athlete that competes in the Olympic Games.  ;)  They say it will be disrespectful if they are treated in any other way...

So what do you guys and gals think..... ?
I have a First cousin that is competitive though he has only one Arm , yet he is playing cycling so like your workmate they care nothing but wanted to be a normal living human.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: LUCKMCFLY on August 13, 2021, 04:48:24 AM
Of course it is ethical, it also has more value because they are people who have never given up, who despite their weakness based on their abilities play sports and produce emotions and a lot of admiration.

For my part, if I support betting on the Paralympic games, in fact for me the USA is still a power in all these sports, in fact it is very possible that the platforms of casinos and sports betting houses should open bets.
In addition there are athletes who have an incredible preparation, in fact their workouts are usually much harder than normal because they have to compensate for greater forces and abilities.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: Rruchi man on August 13, 2021, 04:48:33 AM
Paralympians are still humans you know, and it is even the thought or idea that it is unethical to gamble or place a bet on them is in itself unethical because that is demeaning and a bias based on their disabilities.

Paralympians should be treated with the same respect as other athletes without disabilities, and as such, it is okay and ethical to bet on the Paralympics, so the paralympians Don't feel less of themselves.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: Strongkored on August 13, 2021, 05:42:31 AM
So what do you guys and gals think..... ?
I think when we bet on the paralympic games we actually appreciate them, because I believe bettors when they start betting on these games do carelessly, but bettors do a search first about the games they will choose. as well as finding out about athletes who are favorites and it is not impossible for bettors to also watch the match and it was done because the match was interesting to watch, maybe in the future Paralympic games will become a common thing to broadcast and watched.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: iv4n on August 13, 2021, 05:56:56 AM
From reading the comments a conclusion is that nobody thinks that betting on Paralympic Games is unethical! They are people and they wish to be treated equally! It's a competition and if people bet on competition, why to not bet on this one?!
But who is following and supporting Paralympic Games from here?! To be honest, I only read news about Paralympic Games, usually when I catch some headline about my country's accomplishments or about some records. And I never placed a bet on the Paralympic Games...


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: Kakmakr on August 13, 2021, 06:33:10 AM
I think I should have started a Poll on this, because the majority of the people seem to be in favor of betting on the Paralympic events. Come to think of it, if betting was allowed, it will mean that more sponsors will be willing to make donations or sponsorship available for these athletes.

We have casinos like Stake.com that are sponsoring famous UFC fighters and Soccer clubs, so casinos can definitely consider sponsoring disabled athletes to enable them to compete at these games. (It is costing these athletes a lot of money to get to these games and to train for this event)  ;)


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: Questat on August 13, 2021, 07:36:35 AM
Why would even think that it's unethical, it's still a sport and these people has to be treated like how we trained players in the Olympics. They are living normally under their condition so we have to respect them, there's no need to pity them, otherwise, they will feel that have no place in this world.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: sempak on August 13, 2021, 08:52:27 AM
I don't see any problems with that to be honest if gambling sites tried to neglect them they will think that people pity them having a bet on Paralympic games only shows that they were treated as the same Athletes and probably they will feel more accepted by the community. That's my honest opinion about it.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: molsewid on August 13, 2021, 10:47:11 AM

I think when we bet on the paralympic games we actually appreciate them, because I believe bettors when they start betting on these games do carelessly, but bettors do a search first about the games they will choose. as well as finding out about athletes who are favorites and it is not impossible for bettors to also watch the match and it was done because the match was interesting to watch, maybe in the future Paralympic games will become a common thing to broadcast and watched.

Placing a bet is the best thing that we can do for the Paralympic athletes, it's our simple way of appreciation to their skills and talents which even they are disabled person they can still outstand without considering those hindrances. And Paralympic games is still a sport which a fair game that a bettors will sure be enjoy and thrilled to watch the game while they are waiting for the winner. So yeah there's nothing unethical about it and I myself are waiting for this game too.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: madnessteat on August 13, 2021, 11:12:37 AM
~ So what do you guys and gals think..... ?

A disabled person is no different from a normal person, so he is more likely to be offended by the posing of such a question than by betting on paralympic games. Many disabled athletes are in the kind of physical shape that normal people cannot achieve.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: Oasisman on August 13, 2021, 11:23:44 AM
These people wants to be treated as a normal person, but with some special privileges.
I guess betting on this kind of sport isnt a disrespectful act towards people with disabilities. Instead, It would be a confidence booster for them knowing that there are actually a lot of people are watching them and competing through betting while supporting thier teams.

Betting is normal to every sports. We even place bets on roosters lol.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: Vaculin on August 13, 2021, 12:07:29 PM
I think it will not be available on the betting sites if it's not ethical. Why is it a big deal, the question seems to be treating them as special people where they should not be level to the normal athletes. I have not bet in this kind of game but I believe they should be not be treated differently, whether in betting or any other thing.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: harizen on August 13, 2021, 12:55:21 PM
Will it be disrespectful towards people with disabilities or will they want to be handled in the same manner that any other athlete wants to be handled? 

I don't like to involve the concern of being ethical or non-ethical at that type of event. It's just a common sports event and the status of the participants or whatever has nothing to do with it. It's like a usual sports event on a different tier so nothing big deal about this.

About betting, I also don't see any problem with it. Not experience yet betting on that event but haven't heard of the news that there are people who are against it. It's should be like a normal betting we should see in a sportsbook.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: danherbias07 on August 13, 2021, 01:02:24 PM
Yeah, I also don't think it's a problem for them. It's actually our problem when we lose and they might disagree with it just to keep us safe from gambling addiction.  ;D When you brought this topic up I am kind of interested of what is happening during this sports game. Honestly, I had never watched any game from them but now I want to just to see how the rules will be for them and witness reactions after a win.
About being ethical or not, it's on us. If you think it is not then don't bet, there are lot of games to bet for and no one will stop us from doing it.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: Peanutswar on August 13, 2021, 01:06:31 PM
I think it's just normal at the end of the day we support them and we chose the person who wants to play against their competitor I think IMO might possibly boost their confidence because someone trusts them winning the game and its sports we know that it's all about the competition nothing personally and it depends on the platform if they want to support this kind of game but base on my experience a gambling platform still didn't handle  this kind of event yet.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: Ziskinberg on August 13, 2021, 02:37:36 PM
Not a big deal, bettors just love to bet whatever is open for betting, these are people who are competing in sports, so if we are watching and enjoying it, then maybe it's not bad to put a little bet on it. I think what's unethical is when we are betting on animals that are killing each other, cockfighting is popular but it could be animal cruelty.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: DU18 on August 13, 2021, 03:14:09 PM
Not a big deal, bettors just love to bet whatever is open for betting, these are people who are competing in sports, so if we are watching and enjoying it, then maybe it's not bad to put a little bet on it. I think what's unethical is when we are betting on animals that are killing each other, cockfighting is popular but it could be animal cruelty.
I totally agree with your thinking, because as bettors we only try to participate in a sport regardless of the sporting situation, and by betting on paralympic athletes, can't that be a motivation for the players to make them more confiden ?  and if more people who bet will certainly make the paralympic sport more popular in the future
In my personal opinion, what we don't do in sports is commit fraud such as score fixing or whatever that will make the sport look really bad.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: Vaskiy on August 13, 2021, 11:12:11 PM
With sports everything needs to be common. As they are differently abled they're given the chance to show their talents and ability. Maybe they weren't popular as the players of the Olympics, but adding them to the gambling platforms will make atleast few people know about them. So it is completely an ethical thing.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: Mahanton on August 13, 2021, 11:37:35 PM
With sports everything needs to be common. As they are differently abled they're given the chance to show their talents and ability. Maybe they weren't popular as the players of the Olympics, but adding them to the gambling platforms will make atleast few people know about them. So it is completely an ethical thing.
People are really just too underestimating on this disabled person thats why some would have some this kind of common impression that they should really be pitied rather than on being impressed on seeing
on what they are capable off despite of the abnormalities that they do have.I dont see for it to be unethical on betting on them on paralympic games.As a gambler if you do find out for this to be entertaining then
it doesnt matter or you wouldnt really be minding about these issues.Actually this is just a personal point of view on this kind of discussion but actually this isnt really that an issue.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: just_Alice on August 14, 2021, 12:39:05 PM
I totally agree with people with disabilities on this. If we thought that betting and predictions were unethical, we might as well think that the whole competition is unethical. But it’s not. They have the same rights as healthy athletes to participate in the Olympic Games, and it would be, in fact, unethical to treat them in other way by not allowing the betting. I can totally see how that could be considered as discrimination.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: rhomelmabini on August 14, 2021, 01:09:59 PM
With sports everything needs to be common. As they are differently abled they're given the chance to show their talents and ability. Maybe they weren't popular as the players of the Olympics, but adding them to the gambling platforms will make atleast few people know about them. So it is completely an ethical thing.
Exactly. They shouldn't be treated as different just because of what or who they are but it should be on how they showcase their skills and talents and that they can do it too. It's ethical if people accept them on who they are physically and even if they are into bookies or something that will just give them more chance to be known worldwide. I think they have consent to be on bookies or other betting platforms? Anyone knows?


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: Peanutswar on August 14, 2021, 01:32:27 PM
Will it be disrespectful towards people with disabilities or will they want to be handled in the same manner that any other athlete wants to be handled? 

I don't like to involve the concern of being ethical or non-ethical at that type of event. It's just a common sports event and the status of the participants or whatever has nothing to do with it. It's like a usual sports event on a different tier so nothing big deal about this.

About betting, I also don't see any problem with it. Not experience yet betting on that event but haven't heard of the news that there are people who are against it. It's should be like a normal betting we should see in a sportsbook.

Well yeah, we have different opinions regarding this issue but still, it's a sports manner if they are offended I guess the organization of the gambling platform varies the decision if they will adopt this kind of game. Of course, here's a survey that will happen if they want to adopt this kind of sport. If we are talking about sports I guess there's nothing wrong with this. The sports community will support this kind of sport but the gambling platform will must need to take a decision first.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: Zilon on August 14, 2021, 08:52:16 PM
I totally agree with people with disabilities on this. If we thought that betting and predictions were unethical, we might as well think that the whole competition is unethical. But it’s not. They have the same rights as healthy athletes to participate in the Olympic Games, and it would be, in fact, unethical to treat them in other way by not allowing the betting. I can totally see how that could be considered as discrimination.
I believe this disabled athletes welcomes the idea of placing a bet on them and since they are comfortable with it then it's fully ethical. Just as you pointed out here:
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If we thought that betting and predictions were unethical, we might as well think that the whole competition is unethical. But it’s not.
Which is totally true if we condemn placing a bet on their paralympic game then we should also consider the game itself unethical as well but since the reverse is the case then it's fully ethical


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: dunfida on August 14, 2021, 11:45:14 PM
We will soon see the start of the Paralympic Games.... ( 24 Aug 2021 to 5 Sept 2021 ) ...so I was thinking if it was ethical to bet on these events? Will it be disrespectful towards people with disabilities or will they want to be handled in the same manner that any other athlete wants to be handled? 

I spoke to a few disabled people at work and they have no problem if their athletes get the same attention as any other athlete that competes in the Olympic Games.  ;)  They say it will be disrespectful if they are treated in any other way...

So what do you guys and gals think..... ?

Wouldn't it be less ethical if we discriminated against them and treated them as different?

Betting in itself has nothing wrong. You're not affecting the athletes in any way, you're not affecting the results of the outcome.

If anything, you're bringing more sponsorship money to these athletes - as a rule of thumb, the bigger the gambling market in a particular event, the more sponsors are willing to pay for deals with athletes. But all in all, there is no harm done - it's just like betting on the Olympics.


It doesn't have any effect if the casino doesn't instruct the players with a few percentages as a form of sponsorship.
I agree that players with disabilities get more support in the form of sponsorship from several casino, but so far, it is still very difficult how casinos care about all that, they are only setting up gambling for the casino's profit.
Of course they wont really be considering such act because this is a business and not a charity but there are actually some casino owners who do really mind on giving back to the community or simply

doing some charitable works but this one if we do talk about some form of sponsorship then i do highly doubt on that one.They would always care for profits and wont be tending to do so anytime soon.

For gamblers then its their choice if they would make out bets on paralympics but honestly i dont see any problems on this one.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: Oceat on August 14, 2021, 11:59:18 PM
This is just fine there's no need to worry if it's ethical or not as long as they gained attention to the world then they are doing just fine. We are not talking about how unfair it was for them but how they would do it in order to win. The moral of the story is they were happy because they were able to participate in an international games such as Olympics despite of their imbalance.

If more gamblers would bet on this then the society is helping them to perform well with what they desired because most athletes love their game despite of the risk it brings.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: uneng on August 15, 2021, 01:31:03 AM
I spoke to a few disabled people at work and they have no problem if their athletes get the same attention as any other athlete that competes in the Olympic Games.  ;)  They say it will be disrespectful if they are treated in any other way...

So what do you guys and gals think..... ?
They just want to be treated the same way you treat other athletes, that is why they see no problem in betting on paralympic games. Even though they have disabilities, it's still a competition, so gambling on those games is valid. However, I think the main issue which prevent gambling from being more active in paralympic games is that there isn't much demand for these games from the public side. The popularity of those games could be compared to women soccer, for an example.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: Twinkledoe on August 15, 2021, 03:23:46 AM
I spoke to a few disabled people at work and they have no problem if their athletes get the same attention as any other athlete that competes in the Olympic Games.  ;)  They say it will be disrespectful if they are treated in any other way...

So what do you guys and gals think..... ?
They just want to be treated the same way you treat other athletes, that is why they see no problem in betting on paralympic games. Even though they have disabilities, it's still a competition, so gambling on those games is valid. However, I think the main issue which prevent gambling from being more active in paralympic games is that there isn't much demand for these games from the public side. The popularity of those games could be compared to women soccer, for an example.

This is why I was thinking why ethics comes into discussion here? This is like any other sport where we bet who we want to win. So for me, betting on these games is just the same as betting in olympics. And it is also good for their audience, it means people are also interested to watch their games. But wondering if this event can attract the interest of crypto bookies also?


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: smyslov on August 15, 2021, 08:20:52 AM
We will soon see the start of the Paralympic Games.... ( 24 Aug 2021 to 5 Sept 2021 ) ...so I was thinking if it was ethical to bet on these events? Will it be disrespectful towards people with disabilities or will they want to be handled in the same manner that any other athlete wants to be handled? 

I spoke to a few disabled people at work and they have no problem if their athletes get the same attention as any other athlete that competes in the Olympic Games.  ;)  They say it will be disrespectful if they are treated in any other way...

So what do you guys and gals think..... ?

We already know what they did so I respect their opinion if they want it that way why would I not respect them, we can bet on these athletes because they train to excel and if my betting means we are supporting then I don't see anything wrong why we should not, they are also athletes and they also win medals and their respective government is supporting them.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: uneng on August 15, 2021, 05:02:06 PM
I spoke to a few disabled people at work and they have no problem if their athletes get the same attention as any other athlete that competes in the Olympic Games.  ;)  They say it will be disrespectful if they are treated in any other way...

So what do you guys and gals think..... ?
They just want to be treated the same way you treat other athletes, that is why they see no problem in betting on paralympic games. Even though they have disabilities, it's still a competition, so gambling on those games is valid. However, I think the main issue which prevent gambling from being more active in paralympic games is that there isn't much demand for these games from the public side. The popularity of those games could be compared to women soccer, for an example.

This is why I was thinking why ethics comes into discussion here? This is like any other sport where we bet who we want to win. So for me, betting on these games is just the same as betting in olympics. And it is also good for their audience, it means people are also interested to watch their games. But wondering if this event can attract the interest of crypto bookies also?
So far I haven't found any fiat or crypto platforms to bet on paralympic games. If there isn't much interest from a large parcel of the public regards the competition bookies simply don't add it because it's not profitable at all. Even olympic games don't have a huge gambling community, so it's not a surprise there won't be too much demand for paralympic ones. If someday those games become more popular it's possible though.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: Hippocrypto on August 15, 2021, 10:34:55 PM
We will soon see the start of the Paralympic Games.... ( 24 Aug 2021 to 5 Sept 2021 ) ...so I was thinking if it was ethical to bet on these events? Will it be disrespectful towards people with disabilities or will they want to be handled in the same manner that any other athlete wants to be handled? 

I spoke to a few disabled people at work and they have no problem if their athletes get the same attention as any other athlete that competes in the Olympic Games.  ;)  They say it will be disrespectful if they are treated in any other way...

So what do you guys and gals think..... ?

We should be respecting then as normal person that participates in an Olympic games with honor. In fact they're showing an heroic performance as they've represent then pride of their respective countries.
Actually they don't demand that respect, but it's all up to us to treat a person in well mannered ways in order to also boost their confidence as well as betting on their paralympic games.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: finaleshot2016 on August 15, 2021, 11:17:33 PM
We will soon see the start of the Paralympic Games.... ( 24 Aug 2021 to 5 Sept 2021 ) ...so I was thinking if it was ethical to bet on these events? Will it be disrespectful towards people with disabilities or will they want to be handled in the same manner that any other athlete wants to be handled? 

I spoke to a few disabled people at work and they have no problem if their athletes get the same attention as any other athlete that competes in the Olympic Games.  ;)  They say it will be disrespectful if they are treated in any other way...

So what do you guys and gals think..... ?
It depends on your perspective; for me, there's nothing wrong with betting on paralympic games because it's still a sport, and even if people didn't gamble, they'd still determine who would win and compare themselves. I don't think it's disrespectful since they're doing it for the love of the sport or for the money, and we can wager on these games as well. Treat them like regular people, and you'll have no problems since we're all the same; our differences are merely handicaps. They can succeed in what they're doing, just as we can.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: tippytoes on August 15, 2021, 11:22:56 PM
It depends on your perspective; for me, there's nothing wrong with betting on paralympic games because it's still a sport, and even if people didn't gamble, they'd still determine who would win and compare themselves. I don't think it's disrespectful since they're doing it for the love of the sport or for the money, and we can wager on these games as well. Treat them like regular people, and you'll have no problems since we're all the same; our differences are merely handicaps. They can succeed in what they're doing, just as we can.

That's right. It all depends on how you look at things here. They are like any other sports out there. We bet, they play, no harm done. Unless, you are making fun of them, that's a different discussion. So for me, there's nothing unethical to bet on their games. I guess, they will like it also because they feel important if someone is betting on them to win the game.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: harizen on August 15, 2021, 11:26:32 PM
Actually they don't demand that respect, but it's all up to us to treat a person in well mannered ways in order to also boost their confidence as well as betting on their paralympic games.

This makes sense. These people don't really demand respect because to themselves, they are normal people, just any other people but just with a handicap. Participating in Paralympics will give them a chance that they can also do whatever a normal person does.

And on a side note, they are surely placing money to bet on this event. :)


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: wheelz1200 on August 15, 2021, 11:28:27 PM
We will soon see the start of the Paralympic Games.... ( 24 Aug 2021 to 5 Sept 2021 ) ...so I was thinking if it was ethical to bet on these events? Will it be disrespectful towards people with disabilities or will they want to be handled in the same manner that any other athlete wants to be handled? 

I spoke to a few disabled people at work and they have no problem if their athletes get the same attention as any other athlete that competes in the Olympic Games.  ;)  They say it will be disrespectful if they are treated in any other way...

So what do you guys and gals think..... ?

Honestly why would anyone do that, seriously.  If you know the odds between multiple people and follow the paralytic odds you need to find something else to do. Enjoy the games for what they are, no need to bet on them cmon.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: ethereumhunter on August 16, 2021, 03:43:40 AM
We will soon see the start of the Paralympic Games.... ( 24 Aug 2021 to 5 Sept 2021 ) ...so I was thinking if it was ethical to bet on these events? Will it be disrespectful towards people with disabilities or will they want to be handled in the same manner that any other athlete wants to be handled? 

I spoke to a few disabled people at work and they have no problem if their athletes get the same attention as any other athlete that competes in the Olympic Games.  ;)  They say it will be disrespectful if they are treated in any other way...

So what do you guys and gals think..... ?

Honestly why would anyone do that, seriously.  If you know the odds between multiple people and follow the paralytic odds you need to find something else to do. Enjoy the games for what they are, no need to bet on them cmon.
I guess they do that because of the money. They will have more ways to make a winning by betting on that athletes. Although those athletes do not mind if people are betting on their performance, I think that will depend on themselves because people are free to bet or not to bet and if people don't have the heart to bet for them, they will not doing that instead just watching the match and see how good their performance. But for the others, they will place the bet for those athletes.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: Poker Player on August 16, 2021, 05:24:32 AM
That's right. It all depends on how you look at things here. They are like any other sports out there. We bet, they play, no harm done. Unless, you are making fun of them, that's a different discussion. So for me, there's nothing unethical to bet on their games. I guess, they will like it also because they feel important if someone is betting on them to win the game.

I agree, if we want equality and integration we must treat these games like the rest. If you can bet on some, you should be able to bet on others without causing any problems. Not betting because they are Paralympic games would be discriminating them.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: Pamadar on August 16, 2021, 06:59:17 AM
That's right. It all depends on how you look at things here. They are like any other sports out there. We bet, they play, no harm done. Unless, you are making fun of them, that's a different discussion. So for me, there's nothing unethical to bet on their games. I guess, they will like it also because they feel important if someone is betting on them to win the game.

I agree, if we want equality and integration we must treat these games like the rest. If you can bet on some, you should be able to bet on others without causing any problems. Not betting because they are Paralympic games would be discriminating them.

If you are simply finding alternative ways to gamble, then treating this game just the same with other available games is okay.

Not to discriminate, but to take that chance to pick your winning athletes. Bookies add this sport from the list as they knew that there are,
People/gamblers who also siding their eyes to each individual who is known for this sport. If you don't want to feel any quilt, just deal with this game as the same with any sports that being catered by sport bookies.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: magneto on August 16, 2021, 08:44:05 AM
Honestly why would anyone do that, seriously.  If you know the odds between multiple people and follow the paralytic odds you need to find something else to do. Enjoy the games for what they are, no need to bet on them cmon.

Does this logic extend to other games, including the Olympics itself?

If people want to bet on the Paralympics then I don't see anything wrong with that. After all, it should be treated as equal to any other competition - side bets aren't going to hurt anyone and will only bring more attention to the athletes.

Personally don't see anything wrong with giving the Paralympics some well deserved attention.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: fortunecrypto on August 16, 2021, 10:49:36 AM
We will soon see the start of the Paralympic Games.... ( 24 Aug 2021 to 5 Sept 2021 ) ...so I was thinking if it was ethical to bet on these events? Will it be disrespectful towards people with disabilities or will they want to be handled in the same manner that any other athlete wants to be handled? 



Those participating in this Paralympic do not even think of the word disabilities or they are less equal to real athletes, if we think it's unethical we disrespect them because we think they are less superior to Olympic athletes that we put our bets on, so we should bet on them and let them know that we support them and we treat them equally like normal average athletes.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: KTChampions on August 16, 2021, 11:13:22 AM
I think there is nothing unethical about this. In my opinion, it is unethical to evaluate people with disabilities differently than ordinary people. Obviously, a Paralympic athlete cannot break the record of a regular 100m runner, but he can compete perfectly in his category and we can bet on that.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: poldanmig on August 16, 2021, 11:43:58 AM
All of that in my opinion depends on each person's opinion, and of course there will be pros and cons to betting on disability sports, some people may believe that those who bet on the paralympic think they don't respect people who have disabilities and they shouldn't be made a bet , but some may feel that all sports can be bet so they don't care about anything else.
so Ethical or not in my opinion is the perception of each of us in terms of which we will judge it.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: fiulpro on August 16, 2021, 12:48:39 PM
We will soon see the start of the Paralympic Games.... ( 24 Aug 2021 to 5 Sept 2021 ) ...so I was thinking if it was ethical to bet on these events? Will it be disrespectful towards people with disabilities or will they want to be handled in the same manner that any other athlete wants to be handled? 

I spoke to a few disabled people at work and they have no problem if their athletes get the same attention as any other athlete that competes in the Olympic Games.  ;)  They say it will be disrespectful if they are treated in any other way...

So what do you guys and gals think..... ?

First of all, I do think that we cannot speak for anyone. They might all share their own personal opinion and that is what matters at the end of the day, therefore it would be wise to not make any assumptions.

I do think that everyone should be treated the same but at the same time in the borders of respect for what they are doing, what they are going through and how they are handling it.

In my opinion they deserve the same chances and the same idealistic principals because they made it to Olympics which is already a big deal and they are capable enough, maybe even more. It's takes a lot of courage and strength to steer through difficult situations.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: Roidz on August 16, 2021, 02:12:08 PM
There seems to be no problem betting on paralympic sports, because that way at least the sport can be famous, because to be honest there are still many people with disabilities who experience a decrease in their confidence to be able to excel, because when many people bet on the sport, of course at least the sport will be the talk of people many.
What I think is unethical is when sports organizers and bookies cheat on the results obtained by the sports participants.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: Kong Hey Pakboy on August 16, 2021, 02:20:53 PM
I think there is nothing unethical about this. In my opinion, it is unethical to evaluate people with disabilities differently than ordinary people. Obviously, a Paralympic athlete cannot break the record of a regular 100m runner, but he can compete perfectly in his category and we can bet on that.
Exactly, treating them different and being overreactive and overprotective over them is going to be insincere for us to do since it only makes them feel like they don't belong because even though the treatment is positive, we still see them as a different kind of people. It's unethical if people are getting intentionally hurt or they're humiliated without their their consent and their being forced to do what they're supposed to do in the games.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: Smartprofit on August 16, 2021, 02:38:29 PM
We will soon see the start of the Paralympic Games.... ( 24 Aug 2021 to 5 Sept 2021 ) ...so I was thinking if it was ethical to bet on these events? Will it be disrespectful towards people with disabilities or will they want to be handled in the same manner that any other athlete wants to be handled? 



Those participating in this Paralympic do not even think of the word disabilities or they are less equal to real athletes, if we think it's unethical we disrespect them because we think they are less superior to Olympic athletes that we put our bets on, so we should bet on them and let them know that we support them and we treat them equally like normal average athletes.

Yes, I agree with you.  Excessive custody of people is a serious problem in the modern world. 

Man is originally a powerful fighter.  He is able to conquer Everest, swim across the ocean on a bamboo raft (the journey of Thor Heyerdahl on the Kon-Tiki raft) and fight a thousand enemies. 

One man can fertilize thousands of women with his own semen.  His descendants can inhabit all continents of the planet Earth. 

However, the idea is now popular in the world that people need daily petty care.  Everyone worries that someone may offend someone. 

Paralympic athletes are courageous people (men and women). 

I'm sure they don't want to have any special status different from other people.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: ReiMomo on August 16, 2021, 08:50:45 PM
We will soon see the start of the Paralympic Games.... ( 24 Aug 2021 to 5 Sept 2021 ) ...so I was thinking if it was ethical to bet on these events? Will it be disrespectful towards people with disabilities or will they want to be handled in the same manner that any other athlete wants to be handled? 

I spoke to a few disabled people at work and they have no problem if their athletes get the same attention as any other athlete that competes in the Olympic Games.  ;)  They say it will be disrespectful if they are treated in any other way...

So what do you guys and gals think..... ?

Any disabled person would always feel to be treated as like other are treated. I would say, lets just enjoy the game with spirit irrespective of players ability or skills. Lets our spirit bring more vibration and enthusiasm to the players by either betting or encouraging them by any means. Betting is always a push to the players to play better and win. So, the players would certainly play towards the win. Its a kind of support the audience / bettors give to players. 


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: Viscore on August 16, 2021, 08:56:04 PM
I think there is nothing unethical about this. In my opinion, it is unethical to evaluate people with disabilities differently than ordinary people. Obviously, a Paralympic athlete cannot break the record of a regular 100m runner, but he can compete perfectly in his category and we can bet on that.
Exactly, treating them different and being overreactive and overprotective over them is going to be insincere for us to do since it only makes them feel like they don't belong because even though the treatment is positive, we still see them as a different kind of people. It's unethical if people are getting intentionally hurt or they're humiliated without their their consent and their being forced to do what they're supposed to do in the games.

Respect is very important, but will they get disrespected if we bet on their games? Nah, because they might even bet on their games too, lol.. they are just humans like us, they feel the satisfaction and they also want to be rewarded with money. Let's just continue betting if we enjoy watching them, otherwise, if it's a violation against the will of the Paralympic players, then we will not gonna see betting odds on any gambling site.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: Fatunad on August 16, 2021, 09:38:53 PM
I think there is nothing unethical about this. In my opinion, it is unethical to evaluate people with disabilities differently than ordinary people. Obviously, a Paralympic athlete cannot break the record of a regular 100m runner, but he can compete perfectly in his category and we can bet on that.
Exactly, treating them different and being overreactive and overprotective over them is going to be insincere for us to do since it only makes them feel like they don't belong because even though the treatment is positive, we still see them as a different kind of people. It's unethical if people are getting intentionally hurt or they're humiliated without their their consent and their being forced to do what they're supposed to do in the games.

Respect is very important, but will they get disrespected if we bet on their games? Nah, because they might even bet on their games too, lol.. they are just humans like us, they feel the satisfaction and they also want to be rewarded with money. Let's just continue betting if we enjoy watching them, otherwise, if it's a violation against the will of the Paralympic players, then we will not gonna see betting odds on any gambling site.
They would rather be impressed or would be glad if they do saw that there's someone who had  betting into their  performance on particular games just like on how we do treat those normal athletes and with that alone
they would surely appreciate in regards on how we do treat them and i dont see any problems with that.It  doesnt  mean about being  ethical or not because this is just really depending on someones interest.
Bet according to your interest and wont mind about if its ethical  or not because we do have different views in life or on particular things in life.Some  might be looking this one to be not right 
but there are some who doesnt really  care at all.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: DoublerHunter on August 16, 2021, 10:04:10 PM
I think there is nothing unethical about this. In my opinion, it is unethical to evaluate people with disabilities differently than ordinary people. Obviously, a Paralympic athlete cannot break the record of a regular 100m runner, but he can compete perfectly in his category and we can bet on that.
Exactly, treating them different and being overreactive and overprotective over them is going to be insincere for us to do since it only makes them feel like they don't belong because even though the treatment is positive, we still see them as a different kind of people. It's unethical if people are getting intentionally hurt or they're humiliated without their their consent and their being forced to do what they're supposed to do in the games.

Respect is very important, but will they get disrespected if we bet on their games? Nah, because they might even bet on their games too, lol.. they are just humans like us, they feel the satisfaction and they also want to be rewarded with money. Let's just continue betting if we enjoy watching them, otherwise, if it's a violation against the will of the Paralympic players, then we will not gonna see betting odds on any gambling site.
^ I even salute them and respect should also be there, they are very strong behind of their situation they can able to participate in sports and to become the game balance, they had a competition like this. And now, there is no reason that we can't bet their games, it is also entertaining to place a bet in an unpredictable fight like racing of a wheelchair. In any form of the game, we can be able to place bets as long as there is possible odds.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: Rengga Jati on August 16, 2021, 11:08:02 PM
When we talk about gambling, it is actually possible that the gamblers will not pay too much ethical or not, especially if they see the rewards so big.
Sometimes, they don't distinguish against things that are betting for them, whether it's a paralympic or not.
They might assume the same. And moreover, it is gambling on the sports, not on the person personally itself.



Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: Saint-loup on August 16, 2021, 11:28:26 PM
We will soon see the start of the Paralympic Games.... ( 24 Aug 2021 to 5 Sept 2021 ) ...so I was thinking if it was ethical to bet on these events? Will it be disrespectful towards people with disabilities or will they want to be handled in the same manner that any other athlete wants to be handled? 

I spoke to a few disabled people at work and they have no problem if their athletes get the same attention as any other athlete that competes in the Olympic Games.  ;)  They say it will be disrespectful if they are treated in any other way...

So what do you guys and gals think..... ?

Honestly why would anyone do that, seriously.  If you know the odds between multiple people and follow the paralytic odds you need to find something else to do. Enjoy the games for what they are, no need to bet on them cmon.
You are in the gambling section of bitcointalk here not on a sport forum. So I don't think many people would be interested to watch those contests without betting on them here. If you only like to watch sports without betting on them you should go on a sports forum instead, but it's a really boring leisure I think.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: traderethereum on August 17, 2021, 03:01:28 AM
When we talk about gambling, it is actually possible that the gamblers will not pay too much ethical or not, especially if they see the rewards so big.
Sometimes, they don't distinguish against things that are betting for them, whether it's a paralympic or not.
They might assume the same. And moreover, it is gambling on the sports, not on the person personally itself.
Yes, the gamblers care about how they can bet with sports betting.
As long as they can place the bet on something that they know, they will do that.
Yes, that is gambling and after all, a gambler does that without telling the athletes and nobody will know where the gamblers will place the bet.
But sometimes, they prefer to just watch and not betting at all because they think they want to know more details about the game and the athletes.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: Jackl87 on August 17, 2021, 06:17:41 AM
We will soon see the start of the Paralympic Games.... ( 24 Aug 2021 to 5 Sept 2021 ) ...so I was thinking if it was ethical to bet on these events? Will it be disrespectful towards people with disabilities or will they want to be handled in the same manner that any other athlete wants to be handled? 

I spoke to a few disabled people at work and they have no problem if their athletes get the same attention as any other athlete that competes in the Olympic Games.  ;)  They say it will be disrespectful if they are treated in any other way...

So what do you guys and gals think..... ?

I would say it would be unethical of you if you are a passionate bettor and will not place a bet on those competitions only for the reason, that the participants have a mental or physical Handicap. I am pretty sure that they want to be treated just like the other athlets and therefore it would probably insult them, if you would not place a bet on their games. That being said i don't even know how many sites are offering bets for the Paralympics, as it is pretty hard to calculate the odds because people with different types of handicaps are often in the same competition.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: Reatim on August 17, 2021, 07:45:29 AM
I don't know why this need to be an issue , since the Paralympic players wanted themselves to be treated as normal so if we can bet on the regular players then why not on them? if they will read this thread, for sure they will feel insulted as they are also playing for their own goal in life, to win for  themselves and for their countries .
let them play and be treated fairly and not as special like this.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: Kittygalore on August 17, 2021, 01:07:22 PM
I don't know why this need to be an issue , since the Paralympic players wanted themselves to be treated as normal so if we can bet on the regular players then why not on them? if they will read this thread, for sure they will feel insulted as they are also playing for their own goal in life, to win for  themselves and for their countries .
let them play and be treated fairly and not as special like this.
That's because some people need attention so they make what's already normal seem like it's bad just to stir up a pointless debate. Of course it's ethical for the people to bet on those games because not doing so means that we are excluding them from what's normal. I remember the words that one of my friend said, as long as you don't point that I am black and you treat me like how you treat other people then we won't have any problem.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: Obito on August 17, 2021, 01:35:44 PM
I think the folks that you've.asked are right, treating them like they're different is much more offensive and pointing out things that they can't change is just an added salt to the wound that they're already have which they're going to bear for the rest of their life. I think there's no qualms with betting on their games, it's much more exciting because you know that with their disabilities, the matches are unpredictable all throughout and as a gambler, that's what I like the most.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: AicecreaME on August 17, 2021, 03:45:20 PM
The fact that Paralympics exist means disabled people want to prove to the world that their disabilities are not a hindrance to show their ability to play sports like the normal people do in Olympics. Betting in Paralympics is just the same on betting to Olympic games, so there's nothing unethical about it. The only unethical would be booing them while they are playing and discouraging them to stop doing what they want in their lives.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: Silberman on August 17, 2021, 03:59:19 PM
We will soon see the start of the Paralympic Games.... ( 24 Aug 2021 to 5 Sept 2021 ) ...so I was thinking if it was ethical to bet on these events? Will it be disrespectful towards people with disabilities or will they want to be handled in the same manner that any other athlete wants to be handled? 

I spoke to a few disabled people at work and they have no problem if their athletes get the same attention as any other athlete that competes in the Olympic Games.  ;)  They say it will be disrespectful if they are treated in any other way...

So what do you guys and gals think..... ?
I think the same as them, in my experience those that face some kind of disability do not want our pity they just want to be treated like everyone else, so I do not really see why it will be disrespectful to them to put a bet or two on those events when we do that very same thing for other athletes, so if you feel like it and you think it will bring you entertainment watching those games by all means put that bet as there is nothing wrong in doing something like that.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: KTChampions on August 17, 2021, 05:50:43 PM
I see that almost everyone agrees that it's okay to bet on the Paralympics. Now I would like to know - does anyone follow this sporting event and place bets? To be honest, I know little about the strength of the athletes here, so I don't bet, but if someone gives advice on what to pay attention to, I will gladly do it.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: Fortify on August 17, 2021, 06:40:48 PM
We will soon see the start of the Paralympic Games.... ( 24 Aug 2021 to 5 Sept 2021 ) ...so I was thinking if it was ethical to bet on these events? Will it be disrespectful towards people with disabilities or will they want to be handled in the same manner that any other athlete wants to be handled? 

I spoke to a few disabled people at work and they have no problem if their athletes get the same attention as any other athlete that competes in the Olympic Games.  ;)  They say it will be disrespectful if they are treated in any other way...

So what do you guys and gals think..... ?

It seems like a bit of an odd question really and you're actually classifying these people as "different" when all they usually ever want to be is treated the same. There is zero ethical dilemma involved between gambling on Olympic athletes and gambling on Paralympic athletes. If there is a perceived gap in talent then the market (and bookmakers) will adjust their odds to match - so there should not be any notable difference. It's almost a redundant question, because you could ask the same thing about any professional athlete who has trained extremely hard to get to the top of their chosen profession - footballers, golfers, swimmers, etc. It's actually more disrespectful to ask such a question in the first place.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: OgNasty on August 17, 2021, 07:14:32 PM
I think it would be unethical to not bet on the games just because the participants are paralympic athletes.  I'm sure they probably would appreciate the support of having people hoping they win and cheering for them.  As long as you aren't doing it in jest or with the sole purpose of spreading negative energy then I don't see any problem with it.  I think there are probably people who see it as an opportunity and research the events/competitors in order to try and use any advantage they can to win a bet.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: Rengga Jati on August 17, 2021, 09:57:32 PM
Maybe today, there is only a few information about it and only a few platforms that concern with the Paralympic Games.
So, this may not be really familiar.
however, as you said, once there are any and there is a chance to gamble, they will bet it to focus only on winning the prizes only.
Taking chance if they really know the Paralympic Games, but not for the lucky games.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: agustina2 on August 17, 2021, 10:43:03 PM
Now I would like to know - does anyone follow this sporting event and place bets? To be honest, I know little about the strength of the athletes here, so I don't bet, but if someone gives advice on what to pay attention to, I will gladly do it.


Not for me. The reasons are; I don't have a knowledge on athletes, their sports performance and my information is very limited. But can be changed if I see some good reference for picks especially if the odds is attractive.

If I'm not mistaken, the betting market is small so I doubt it will be listed on popular sports betting sites either on fiat or crypto sites. Correct me if I'm wrong to those who already placed a bet on previous Paralympics games.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: Mahanton on August 17, 2021, 10:48:47 PM
Now I would like to know - does anyone follow this sporting event and place bets? To be honest, I know little about the strength of the athletes here, so I don't bet, but if someone gives advice on what to pay attention to, I will gladly do it.


Not for me. The reasons are; I don't have a knowledge on athletes, their sports performance and my information is very limited. But can be changed if I see some good reference for picks especially if the odds is attractive.

If I'm not mistaken, the betting market is small so I doubt it will be listed on popular sports betting sites either on fiat or crypto sites. Correct me if I'm wrong to those who already placed a bet on previous Paralympics games.
There's really a small betting market on this one but at least it do exist and no surprising that it has lesser demands compared into those games which people who do play or participate arent disabled person.
Im not criticizing their capabilities but lets just  accept the fact that there are things which is more interesting to watch rather than forcing yourself to enjoy into something which doesnt really fit out your interest.
Betting or watching for the sake of pity or do force to understand their situation? Its a personal choice if you do tend to bet or not and wouldnt mind about being ethical or not.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: chaser15 on August 17, 2021, 10:58:18 PM
Betting or watching for the sake of pity or do force to understand their situation? Its a personal choice if you do tend to bet or not and wouldnt mind about being ethical or not.

I think that shouldn't be the question here. People do bets and watched them not because for the sake of pity.

There are really gamblers that are betting everywhere even they don't have information about a certain event because they are just simply gamblers. Sports bettors always looked at good odds whatever the sports or event is.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: Twinkledoe on August 17, 2021, 11:05:10 PM
Betting or watching for the sake of pity or do force to understand their situation? Its a personal choice if you do tend to bet or not and wouldnt mind about being ethical or not.

I think that shouldn't be the question here. People do bets and watched them not because for the sake of pity.

There are really gamblers that are betting everywhere even they don't have information about a certain event because they are just simply gamblers. Sports bettors always looked at good odds whatever the sports or event is.

Ethics here is not a question if you are just here to bet and enjoy the game. Nothing personal but they are like the same sports that we are watching in Olympics. They already accepted themselves for what they are as a person so just treat them as regular individuals, and all good. But if you are giving tirades to their disabilities, now, that's a different story.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: traderethereum on August 18, 2021, 03:38:01 AM
When we talk about gambling, it is actually possible that the gamblers will not pay too much ethical or not, especially if they see the rewards so big.
Sometimes, they don't distinguish against things that are betting for them, whether it's a paralympic or not.
They might assume the same. And moreover, it is gambling on the sports, not on the person personally itself.
Yes, the gamblers care about how they can bet with sports betting.
As long as they can place the bet on something that they know, they will do that.
Yes, that is gambling and after all, a gambler does that without telling the athletes and nobody will know where the gamblers will place the bet.
But sometimes, they prefer to just watch and not betting at all because they think they want to know more details about the game and the athletes.

When it comes to Paralympics most of the gamblers are probably not so familiar with the athletes. The coverage on TV is very low, which makes it much harder to do research and stay in formed. But as long as there are bookmakers offering odds there will be gamblers interested in betting on it. For the average gambler it all comes down to if we can make money with it or not.
I guess so but they can still search for more details for each sport to try to place the bet.
The bookmaker's availability will be the gambler's concern whether the gamblers will place the bet or just watch the show.
If gamblers found bookmakers to bet on the Paralympics and have many sports to bet on, gamblers will place their bet and see the result later.
But maybe Paralympics does not take much attention from gamblers because we do not know if they are placing their bet on that event or not.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: Fundamentals Of on August 18, 2021, 03:47:33 AM
I don't make this an issue. I think it is neither ethical or unethical to bet on people's performances on games or certain sports. If people bet on an Olympian playing a game, what difference is betting on another athlete who happens to be playing as a Paralympian? For me, there is none, so it is definitely all right for me to place bets on Paralympic games. That's still made up of world-class game competitions between world-class athletes who happen to have certain forms of disabilities.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: molsewid on August 18, 2021, 05:13:33 AM
I don't make this an issue. I think it is neither ethical or unethical to bet on people's performances on games or certain sports. If people bet on an Olympian playing a game, what difference is betting on another athlete who happens to be playing as a Paralympian? For me, there is none, so it is definitely all right for me to place bets on Paralympic games. That's still made up of world-class game competitions between world-class athletes who happen to have certain forms of disabilities.

I think there's no such reason to make this as an issue in fact this Paralympic competition was not so different from the Olympic where the athletes  body parts are complete. I've read a news here in my country that the Paralympic athletes delegate coming here from my country are preparing already for the upcoming events and it inspires me that those athletes were really into game and wanting to bring a medal. I haven't tried to place a bet in a Paralympic Games but I think this time would be good enough to try.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: semobo on August 18, 2021, 08:12:28 AM
Its okay since we are betting on sports for very long time then don't differentiate the people who are physically challenged wince they also perform every sports even better than an average human.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: slaman29 on August 18, 2021, 09:07:13 AM
Somehow I didn't see this thread. I think even considering if Paralympics Sportsbetting is ethical or not is in itself unethical:)

I wonder if there is any good money to be made here. If I knew almost nothing about Olympics, I know even less about Paralympics. Has anyone asked the important question: where are the good value bets here?:)


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: KTChampions on August 18, 2021, 03:06:26 PM
Now I would like to know - does anyone follow this sporting event and place bets? To be honest, I know little about the strength of the athletes here, so I don't bet, but if someone gives advice on what to pay attention to, I will gladly do it.


Not for me. The reasons are; I don't have a knowledge on athletes, their sports performance and my information is very limited. But can be changed if I see some good reference for picks especially if the odds is attractive.

If I'm not mistaken, the betting market is small so I doubt it will be listed on popular sports betting sites either on fiat or crypto sites. Correct me if I'm wrong to those who already placed a bet on previous Paralympics games.

By the way, this gives a great advantage for betters, it seems to me. It is difficult to be better than bookmakers in large markets where there are many analysts, AI and other software configured to analyze the possible outcomes of matches, but in unpopular markets the resources for analysis are approximately equal and if you become a specialist here, then most likely the chances of winning will be high.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: Pamadar on August 18, 2021, 03:47:09 PM
Its okay since we are betting on sports for very long time then don't differentiate the people who are physically challenged wince they also perform every sports even better than an average human.
Taking it as a regular sport, these people have an equal chance they also wanted to compete and win.

Gambling part is for those gamblers who see opportunities, they treated this competition as a good place to grab some winning ideas
Especially those who have extra time watching and following players who are in these sports. They are capable to see some advantage
with the player that they've trust to bet with.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: geegaw on August 18, 2021, 04:09:35 PM
Its okay since we are betting on sports for very long time then don't differentiate the people who are physically challenged wince they also perform every sports even better than an average human.
Taking it as a regular sport, these people have an equal chance they also wanted to compete and win.

Gambling part is for those gamblers who see opportunities, they treated this competition as a good place to grab some winning ideas
Especially those who have extra time watching and following players who are in these sports. They are capable to see some advantage
with the player that they've trust to bet with.
Indeed, in a competition, they are athletes and everything on the inside is fairness and victory and their efforts, if we count on ethics, refusing to bet on them is also discriminatory because for most of the interviews about people with physical problems, they always expect us to look at them with the most normal eyes, betting as an incentive for them. From a betting point of view, such contests are uncommon and poorly informed, betting solely on the role of chance is predominant.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: zanezane on August 18, 2021, 04:27:40 PM
Its okay since we are betting on sports for very long time then don't differentiate the people who are physically challenged wince they also perform every sports even better than an average human.
Exactly, treating them like other people and being overreacting towards their ethics when there's no clear violation is actually much more offensive in my opinion because you basically point out their differences.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: Rengga Jati on August 18, 2021, 11:25:44 PM
The bookmaker's availability will be the gambler's concern whether the gamblers will place the bet or just watch the show.
If gamblers found bookmakers to bet on the Paralympics and have many sports to bet on, gamblers will place their bet and see the result later.
But maybe Paralympics does not take much attention from gamblers because we do not know if they are placing their bet on that event or not.
Yes, of course, if the gamblers found bookmakers and he also saw the opportunity to win the betting, they would immediately use the opportunity. Maybe not many will be interested. However, it does not rule out the possibility if in the future gambling on them can be more and more. Given that the current paralympic games are also growing and attracting attention in the world.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: Mahanton on August 18, 2021, 11:30:32 PM
The bookmaker's availability will be the gambler's concern whether the gamblers will place the bet or just watch the show.
If gamblers found bookmakers to bet on the Paralympics and have many sports to bet on, gamblers will place their bet and see the result later.
But maybe Paralympics does not take much attention from gamblers because we do not know if they are placing their bet on that event or not.
Yes, of course, if the gamblers found bookmakers and he also saw the opportunity to win the betting, they would immediately use the opportunity. Maybe not many will be interested. However, it does not rule out the possibility if in the future gambling on them can be more and more. Given that the current paralympic games are also growing and attracting attention in the world.
Gamblers are different in terms of personal views and impressions on things specially into those person who do have disabilities on which some would really have that pity on them and some wouldnt really care at all as long they could really make out such bet for the benefit or sake of profits.We do have our own decisions towards this and im not surprised on why we do see some personal views on this one and lets just respect it.
Ethical or non ethical is something which is too serious discussions because i dont see anything wrong about betting on these games as long you could see some advantage then its up to you on how
you gonna handle or take advantage of it.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: blockman on August 18, 2021, 11:42:42 PM
There are always two sides to the discussion and I think both points are valid to be considered concerning those athletes that are involved with Paralympics. But at the end of this, we're looking to them as athletes that will compete and won't be looking at their disabilities.
I'll choose to respect the craft and the bread and butter that they've chosen to live with it and they would understand if there are people that will bet for them and I think they'll even appreciate it just like the usual sports and events that we're betting. And lastly, they're even more fit than me.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: TimeTeller on August 18, 2021, 11:57:40 PM
There are always two sides to the discussion and I think both points are valid to be considered concerning those athletes that are involved with Paralympics. But at the end of this, we're looking to them as athletes that will compete and won't be looking at their disabilities.
I'll choose to respect the craft and the bread and butter that they've chosen to live with it and they would understand if there are people that will bet for them and I think they'll even appreciate it just like the usual sports and events that we're betting. And lastly, they're even more fit than me.

Respect is all we need here. It is true, some of them are better than us.
If you will treat them the same as normal people, then, I guess we have no problem here.
There's nothing unethical to bet also on their games, they are also sports that need interest of audience.
And I guess, they will appreciate if there will be fans rooting for them during their performance.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: wheelz1200 on August 19, 2021, 12:00:15 AM
There are always two sides to the discussion and I think both points are valid to be considered concerning those athletes that are involved with Paralympics. But at the end of this, we're looking to them as athletes that will compete and won't be looking at their disabilities.
I'll choose to respect the craft and the bread and butter that they've chosen to live with it and they would understand if there are people that will bet for them and I think they'll even appreciate it just like the usual sports and events that we're betting. And lastly, they're even more fit than me.

Respect is all we need here. It is true, some of them are better than us.
If you will treat them the same as normal people, then, I guess we have no problem here.
There's nothing unethical to bet also on their games, they are also sports that need interest of audience.

No offense but "treat them the same as normal people" is a terrible way to phrase it.  They are normal people, with handicaps.  

Regardless how much of a gambling junkie do you have to be to bet on the paralympics.  They should be viewed, enjoyed, and that's it no need to bet on them.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: Fundamentals Of on August 19, 2021, 02:48:10 AM
I don't make this an issue. I think it is neither ethical or unethical to bet on people's performances on games or certain sports. If people bet on an Olympian playing a game, what difference is betting on another athlete who happens to be playing as a Paralympian? For me, there is none, so it is definitely all right for me to place bets on Paralympic games. That's still made up of world-class game competitions between world-class athletes who happen to have certain forms of disabilities.

I think there's no such reason to make this as an issue in fact this Paralympic competition was not so different from the Olympic where the athletes  body parts are complete. I've read a news here in my country that the Paralympic athletes delegate coming here from my country are preparing already for the upcoming events and it inspires me that those athletes were really into game and wanting to bring a medal. I haven't tried to place a bet in a Paralympic Games but I think this time would be good enough to try.

Me, too, I have not tried placing a bet with any Paralympic games. I don't even know a certain Paralympic player in my country. I think the reason is that Paralympics is not given much importance or significance in sports. Paralympic does not even hit the headlines or the news, unlike the Olympic which makes news even months or a year before it takes place.

I think bookies releasing odds on Paralympic games is even a good help to promote the event and its players. It deserves to be given a spotlight. They're an inspiration.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: hahay on August 19, 2021, 04:03:52 AM
I personally have no interest in betting on events like this and in fact, for the main event like the previous Olympics it just makes me enthusiastic to watch and not to bet. In contrast to sports or tournaments such as football, basketball and there are many sports whose leagues are available every season, even though in the Olympics the sport is also part of the tournament but for some reason I personally am not really interested in betting on Olympic events let alone Paralympics events.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: Chato1977 on August 19, 2021, 05:07:18 AM
i respect PWD (People With Disability) more than i respect normal athlete .

but i also believe that they wanted to stay normal in our eyes that is why they are showing their skills to prove what they can be and what they can gain.



Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: Pamadar on August 19, 2021, 08:48:37 AM
Indeed, in a competition, they are athletes and everything on the inside is fairness and victory and their efforts, if we count on ethics, refusing to bet on them is also discriminatory because for most of the interviews about people with physical problems, they always expect us to look at them with the most normal eyes, betting as an incentive for them. From a betting point of view, such contests are uncommon and poorly informed, betting solely on the role of chance is predominant.

We should respect honor their greatness in trying to live as normal as they can,

there are so many pwd who keep depressing themselves thinking that they less worthy in this world, so those who try to live normal
We should treat them the way they wanted us to see them. This kind of betting is an incentive for them knowing that there are people who trust them and believe in what they can contribute..


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: madnessteat on August 19, 2021, 09:09:51 AM
It seems to me that people with disabilities do not care whether there are stakes in the Paralympics or not. They want to be useful members of society and that their rights and dignity are not infringed upon by the common man, the employer and the state. That's why many of them take a very active part in various important events for all of us and not only sports.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: Dread Pirate Roberts on August 19, 2021, 12:43:57 PM
It seems to me that people with disabilities do not care whether there are stakes in the Paralympics or not. They want to be useful members of society and that their rights and dignity are not infringed upon by the common man, the employer and the state.

People with disabilities but don't give up on their dreams and don't make excuses for quitting are real heroes. when they think that they are like ordinary people why do we have to look at it from the negative way, right? Surely they want to be seen and considered like other professional athletes. and they are deserve better appreciation for their dedication.



Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: madnessteat on August 19, 2021, 04:41:07 PM
It seems to me that people with disabilities do not care whether there are stakes in the Paralympics or not. They want to be useful members of society and that their rights and dignity are not infringed upon by the common man, the employer and the state.

People with disabilities but don't give up on their dreams and don't make excuses for quitting are real heroes. when they think that they are like ordinary people why do we have to look at it from the negative way, right? Surely they want to be seen and considered like other professional athletes. and they are deserve better appreciation for their dedication.



Exactly. It is much harder for people with disabilities to achieve good results in sports, but sometimes their motivation is amazing. After all, many of the paralympians start playing sports only after their abilities become limited. The lives of such people are much more difficult than ours, so we should support them whenever possible. I don't know if betting on the Paralympics can be considered as support for the athletes themselves, but the fact that such bets are held shows that they are not forgotten and they are just as important to the community as other people.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: palle11 on August 19, 2021, 04:59:50 PM

They say it will be disrespectful if they are treated in any other way...

So what do you guys and gals think..... ?

I think it will be dehumanizing if they are rather treated differently from the other alteletes. Showing them on public is even a good think which is going to expose them to government , philanthropies and charity helpers to do more support for them and better their personal life after the games because after the sports and they return home, some don't live a good life and are abandoned but just remembered because of the game and feeding them in to participate and win medals for the government. I support that anything that will be done for the public to know about them is good and placing bet on them as other sporting activities is not a bad thing to do.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: Rengga Jati on August 19, 2021, 09:59:26 PM
-snip-
That is what we are thinking about.
gamblers will also see from a different point of view, not from the disability that they have. But how they can play, compete, and win the competition. And the winning or loss itself will determine whether the gamblers win that betting or not.
As long as they can make money from it, it will never be a matter, or a big matter to think about.

 


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: DoublerHunter on August 19, 2021, 10:15:07 PM
-snip-
That is what we are thinking about.
gamblers will also see from a different point of view, not from the disability that they have. But how they can play, compete, and win the competition. And the winning or loss itself will determine whether the gamblers win that betting or not.
As long as they can make money from it, it will never be a matter, or a big matter to think about.
^ Definitely right, gamblers did not matter on how they are but as long as they can bet and every competition that has an odds to bet, they always think about betting. Besides, probably those who entered in  Paralympic games already know about those consequences of criticism by the viewers. This is not a new event and probably people are already aware about them, only gamblers who take advantage of the possible odds each game which you can make a massive earning.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: paxmao on August 19, 2021, 11:30:49 PM
-snip-
That is what we are thinking about.
gamblers will also see from a different point of view, not from the disability that they have. But how they can play, compete, and win the competition. And the winning or loss itself will determine whether the gamblers win that betting or not.
As long as they can make money from it, it will never be a matter, or a big matter to think about.
Gamblers will not discriminate those athletes because they are the best and they can perform good things despite of their disability so again, I don’t see any unethical if you bet with them and this is sports so consider it as a sports without any discrimination. I salute those athletes for fighting all out and be a pride of their respective countries.

Perhaps there is a point in saying that actually not betting on Paralympics or games for people with different abilities is in itself kind of discriminatory. They are athletes and if you have seem some of them, it is amazing how strong, fast and committed they are - nothing to envy to the fully abled athletes at all. For the player, it offers and additional skill to acquire since it may be less common and more difficult to speculate about these athletes and their possible results in the games.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: pinggoki on August 20, 2021, 06:32:08 AM
What is ethical is them being treated the way normal athletes would be. Yes there will be instances where gambling firms and authorities may see potential in these sports and I think it is all okay. Instead of wasting energy debating whether it is ethical to gamble on differently-abled athletes in the best days of their lives, I think it is better if we support the Paralympic games in every way we can so it gains as much attention as our regular Olympic games does whenever it is held. These athletes showcase the greatest feats of human ability and it is only fair we celebrate them in all ways we can.
Trying to remove them from gambling sites only shows them that people pity on them, I don't see any problems to it they just get the same treatment just like the normal athletes. Well some people may find it unethical but we have different perspective and I think if you remove their events in gambling site or you didn't include them they will assume that either you pity them or you don't accept them and consider what they are doing as a sport.
Exactly my point. These people wouldn't to be pitied on, they needed to be understood and accepted to the society like our own because they are still our kin anyway. It wouldn't be fair for them to be treated differently or even better than normal humans except in times that they would require these types of support and assistance. Gambling on them would be the least of our worries if we come to find out how brutal and devastating the discrimination against differently-abled people are.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: Beparanf on August 20, 2021, 06:57:13 AM
Trying to remove them from gambling sites only shows them that people pity on them, I don't see any problems to it they just get the same treatment just like the normal athletes. Well some people may find it unethical but we have different perspective and I think if you remove their events in gambling site or you didn't include them they will assume that either you pity them or you don't accept them and consider what they are doing as a sport.
Exactly my point. These people wouldn't to be pitied on, they needed to be understood and accepted to the society like our own because they are still our kin anyway. It wouldn't be fair for them to be treated differently or even better than normal humans except in times that they would require these types of support and assistance. Gambling on them would be the least of our worries if we come to find out how brutal and devastating the discrimination against differently-abled people are.

The problem was how the general public will view this particular issue. People on this generation is too sensitive on any issue about equality and other matters that is not usual. I understand the point that they are both player so we should treat as same but we are talking about involving them to Gambling activities which is not usual. No matter what we do, People with disability is special and they will be view as normal so people that will see them using on gambling activities will obviously gonna react since gambling is always subjected to bad reputation in general for normal people that don't gamble.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: acroman08 on August 20, 2021, 10:11:24 AM
Exactly my point. These people wouldn't to be pitied on, they needed to be understood and accepted to the society like our own because they are still our kin anyway. It wouldn't be fair for them to be treated differently or even better than normal humans except in times that they would require these types of support and assistance. Gambling on them would be the least of our worries if we come to find out how brutal and devastating the discrimination against differently-abled people are.
it is saddening that there are people who are so morally blinded that they think disabled people need to be treated in a special way all the time. there are a lot of disabled people who just wanted to be treated the same and not be pitied just because of their disability. also, betting on the sport they are playing doesn't diminish their value or worth as a human or an athlete.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: Lanatsa on August 20, 2021, 10:52:03 AM
Exactly my point. These people wouldn't to be pitied on, they needed to be understood and accepted to the society like our own because they are still our kin anyway. It wouldn't be fair for them to be treated differently or even better than normal humans except in times that they would require these types of support and assistance. Gambling on them would be the least of our worries if we come to find out how brutal and devastating the discrimination against differently-abled people are.
it is saddening that there are people who are so morally blinded that they think disabled people need to be treated in a special way all the time. there are a lot of disabled people who just wanted to be treated the same and not be pitied just because of their disability. also, betting on the sport they are playing doesn't diminish their value or worth as a human or an athlete.
They would rather be grateful or be that happy since people are treating them as a normal person or who had really be the same into those who are in complete of body parts and that would really raise up
some moral.

I don't see anything wrong on betting with Paralympic games and this would vary on someones interest because not all would really be having idea or having those statistics that they do know
about on a certain player this is why its hard to determine whether you do make a bet or not.

Ethical or non ethical is sole just talking about personal own point of view.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: madnessteat on August 20, 2021, 11:04:41 AM
Exactly my point. These people wouldn't to be pitied on, they needed to be understood and accepted to the society like our own because they are still our kin anyway. It wouldn't be fair for them to be treated differently or even better than normal humans except in times that they would require these types of support and assistance. Gambling on them would be the least of our worries if we come to find out how brutal and devastating the discrimination against differently-abled people are.
it is saddening that there are people who are so morally blinded that they think disabled people need to be treated in a special way all the time. there are a lot of disabled people who just wanted to be treated the same and not be pitied just because of their disability. also, betting on the sport they are playing doesn't diminish their value or worth as a human or an athlete.

I agree, but only when a person has a mild degree of disability that does not cause him problems. Most people with disabilities have to spend far more on life than a normal person spends. In addition, not only is it more difficult for disabled people to find a job, but they also have to live in a world that cannot always provide for their most basic needs. To understand this, try to get in a wheelchair at least 20 km away from your place of residence without the help of others.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: traderethereum on August 20, 2021, 12:08:26 PM
The bookmaker's availability will be the gambler's concern whether the gamblers will place the bet or just watch the show.
If gamblers found bookmakers to bet on the Paralympics and have many sports to bet on, gamblers will place their bet and see the result later.
But maybe Paralympics does not take much attention from gamblers because we do not know if they are placing their bet on that event or not.
Yes, of course, if the gamblers found bookmakers and he also saw the opportunity to win the betting, they would immediately use the opportunity. Maybe not many will be interested. However, it does not rule out the possibility if in the future gambling on them can be more and more. Given that the current paralympic games are also growing and attracting attention in the world.
This pandemic also makes the Paralympic games popular and get attention from people because people can know that disabled people can compete with each other.
Yes, if the casino can also give a portion to the Paralympic, maybe a gambler can bet on the sports they want.
Maybe the bookmakers will try to announce some news about the Paralympic soon or in the future, especially if people attention to the Paralympic games can grow better.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: Pamadar on August 20, 2021, 01:51:53 PM
Exactly my point. These people wouldn't to be pitied on, they needed to be understood and accepted to the society like our own because they are still our kin anyway. It wouldn't be fair for them to be treated differently or even better than normal humans except in times that they would require these types of support and assistance. Gambling on them would be the least of our worries if we come to find out how brutal and devastating the discrimination against differently-abled people are.
it is saddening that there are people who are so morally blinded that they think disabled people need to be treated in a special way all the time. there are a lot of disabled people who just wanted to be treated the same and not be pitied just because of their disability. also, betting on the sport they are playing doesn't diminish their value or worth as a human or an athlete.

As worthy as the same athlete who competes and believe that they can win.

These people are there to try proving that they deserved to win the medal. They wanted to compete, showcasing their capabilities and.
They don't want other people to look at them as special; they want also a normal life and winning to this kind of competition gives them that
opportunities that they can also do what the normal people do.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: Silberman on August 20, 2021, 02:52:54 PM
I see that almost everyone agrees that it's okay to bet on the Paralympics. Now I would like to know - does anyone follow this sporting event and place bets? To be honest, I know little about the strength of the athletes here, so I don't bet, but if someone gives advice on what to pay attention to, I will gladly do it.

I think the biggest problem is where to see the actual games, where I live not a single time the games have been transmitted and you need to go out of your way to watch the games, this makes betting on the games harder as it is difficult to get a frame of reference about the potential to win from each athlete when you cannot even watch the games, I think this is really limiting the popularity of those games and the interest people could have on betting on them.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: delfastTions on August 20, 2021, 03:37:43 PM
I saw that a difficult topic was being discussed and decided to write my own vision of these competitions too.  Here, even more important than in the Olympic Games is primarily the qualifications and selection of athletes, since everyone has different disabilities.  This of course also complicates the work of the judges.  And actually, such competitions are almost never shown on TV, only episodes and victories in the news. 
As for the ethics of betting at these competitions, it seems to me that it is not entirely correct to place bets, more precisely, it is completely wrong, because every such athlete is a hero.  And his real reward is victory and a place on the podium.  And all those who profit from bets and bookmakers on this hero would go to hell.  I will never bet on the Paralympics. 
And I do not advise you!


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: madnessteat on August 20, 2021, 05:32:16 PM
^

I don't quite understand your point of view. Why are you so negative about this kind of betting? After all, the world of betting is very wide, from betting on sporting events and betting on winning the presidential race to betting on the weather. An athlete participates in the Paralympics on his own initiative. He may not even be aware that someone is betting on him. Besides, he has absolutely nothing to lose from it.


Title: Re: Betting on the Paralympic Games? Ethical or not?
Post by: acroman08 on August 20, 2021, 08:22:29 PM
I agree, but only when a person has a mild degree of disability that does not cause him problems. Most people with disabilities have to spend far more on life than a normal person spends. In addition, not only is it more difficult for disabled people to find a job, but they also have to live in a world that cannot always provide for their most basic needs. To understand this, try to get in a wheelchair at least 20 km away from your place of residence without the help of others.
yeah, I get that and I am not trying to dismiss or diminish the hardships people with a far more severe disability face every single day in their life but at the end of the day, I am pretty sure a lot of disabled people just wanted to be seen as a person first and not as a special case because of their disability. it is great to be sympathetic, kind, and be helpful to disabled people but let's not make it to the point that we only see their disability and almost ignore their capability to be independent even if it is only for a short time.