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I could remember when the Corona Virus started making the world to be in a turbulent state of rest. America shut down in March 2020 due to the COVID-19 pandemic, there was a pervading sense that the situation was probably or hopefully temporary. After all, efforts were already underway to develop a vaccine. It was just a matter of time until normalcy would return.

But 17 months later, a return to "normal" is nowhere in sight. Frightening new mutant strains like the delta variant and the lambda variant have emerged, more infectious and possibly more dangerous than their antecedents. Early evidence indicates that, while existing vaccines stop patients from getting severely ill if infected, they do not prevent the infected from transmitting the disease. At the very least, it is theoretically possible that mutant variants could create problems for people who want their inoculations to be effective.

In other words, the vaccines weren't enough. Humanity anxiously awaited development of the first COVID-19 vaccines throughout 2020; now that those vaccines aren't enough to permanently halt COVID-19, it would appear that vaccine manufacturers are pivoting their strategy. But as to what they have planned, pharmaceutical companies aren't being entirely transparent — or perhaps they aren't sure.

"As SARS-CoV-2 continues to evolve, Pfizer and BioNTech are continuing our work to understand long term immunity, the need for booster shots, and any threat from circulating or new variants of concern to vaccine protection," a Pfizer spokesperson told Salon by email. The company said that the existing body of research and evidence suggests that the circulating variants do not escape their COVID-19 vaccine, adding that they continue to perform clinical trials at various stages for a third dose of their currently two-dose BNT162b2 vaccine, with possibly hopeful results. That vaccine, widely known as the "Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine," is effective in preventing COVID-19; two doses of it significantly strengthens the body's ability to avoid severe disease and hospitalizations.

The company also communicated to Salon that, broadly speaking, they plan on keeping tabs on emerging variants and waning immunity so that they can prepare new products if necessary. "It is, in part, why we chose a vaccine technology with the flexibility that allows us to both provide boosting doses if needed and to address potential changes in the virus," Pfizer explained.

The biotechnology in question is known as an mRNA vaccine, and it describes the type of inoculation developed by both Pfizer and Moderna (which did not respond to Salon's request for comment). Traditional vaccines work by introducing a weakened or dead pathogen (an organism that causes disease) into the body. The immune system becomes familiar with the pathogens by being exposed to them and, like a soldier participating in war games, learns how to fight a real enemy through training with a facsimile. More specifically, the immune system learns how to recognize antigens (a toxic or foreign substance on an antigen) and produce antibodies to destroy the pathogens associated with them.

https://www.salon.com/2021/08/12/vaccine-makers-future-strategy-delta/

Zinc and vitamin D are emerging as great supplements for COVID-19.


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Zinc itself appears to have anti viral characteristics. In addition to being a vital component to having a fully functional immune system. Studies claim many in the world have zinc deficiencies, leading to decreased immune system function.

There doesn't appear to be good information available on vaccines. Perhaps they will label our current era something other than an "information age" seeing as how starved we are for relevant information.

Minorities in the united states appear to be the least vaccinated demographic. A fact which the media strangely appears to ignore. I do not support vaccines and will never get them. There are many discrepansies and inconsistencies revolving around COVID-19 and vaccines which are not being acknowledged.

Even after a long run of vaccinating people, the surge in Covid 19 has never gotten better. This just proves how ineffective and how incomplete the vaccines that has been made. Different vitamins and antibodies that is contained in the vaccines are just not enough specially that new variants are emerging as time passes by. The virus is getting stronger and evolving yet the vaccines are staying still on how it is. Actually, we might be doomed already once the virus gets strong enough that we won't be able to contain it and all of the studies and expenses given for the vaccines will all be worthless.

The Government needs to put more effort to contain the virus and if premiums care is not taken on the best methods to defeat this deadly virus, we might end up experiencing the second batch of black death(deadly virus emanated from rodents) that kill more than 5 million persons hundreds years ago. Vaccine makers need to put on more efforts to achieve a sustainable result that can resist the virus.

If the population is ignorant, then the government may not be able to do much. Take the case of Russia for example. They are witnessing close to 1,000 daily deaths from COVID 19 now. Russia is the country which manufactures the Sputnik V vaccine, and yet most of the population refuses to get vaccinated. As per the latest stats, only 22% of the population has received both doses of the vaccine, with another 5% receiving the first dose. And in recent days, the daily vaccination rate has gone down.

I take both zinc and vitamin D. And since I started taking vitamin D I have not had a single cold or flu. This is common for people with high vitamin D levels. But it's no good taking 2K IU and saying that's a high dose.

The problem is that these solutions do not make a profit for the pharmaceutical industry. They are sold in herbalists and are cheap. You can get free vitamin D from the sun for part of the year depending on where you live. If you live near the equator, all year round. Depending on your diet, you may not even need to take zinc supplements.

I strongly agree.

The increase rate of covid-19 cases didn't decline with all the health protocols imposed and despite that there are many people that are already vaccinated. The recorded cases were still going up each day and the death recorded in most countries is continuously spiking each day. It's very alarming that despite all these, covid-19 still spreads so fast and infects many people all over the globe.

The virus is mutating and we are really running out of time to combat it. Recently, the Lambda variant is discovered. The level and variant of the covid-19 virus is rapidly increasing. The severity of its effect to one's health and how contagious it is is also changing quickly. The vaccines made were supposedly to combat the original variant of covid-19, but right now there are so many variants that have been arising. I don't know if the vaccines are even effective against it like what they claim it to be because the numbers don't lie, right?

I just hope that we'll overcome this pandemic as soon as possible. Hopefully, the scientists will also come up with new ways that are really effective and good for the long run.

The way China was able to get rid of COVID -19 without a vaccination was because they did give their patients, excessive vitamin 'C'. Then they were able to provide everyone else too with the vaccinations they had left, they practically donated a lot too.

At the end of the day, Zn and Vitamin D is working fine but we have to understand the fact that, Vitamin A, D, E,K, the fat soluble vitamins are very toxic therefore they should not be taken without the advice of a certified medical professional.

When we talk about Zn it can cause toxicity but in huge amounts and can also disrupt the intake and utilization of other minerals in the body like copper and Iron.

the first and second doses of the vaccine did not work well to deal with the Covid-19 problem, it actually made things worse for those who had received the vaccination, this is a fact, not just talk.

Vaccine remaking, in my opinion, will actually increase the number of new rich people in the vaccine business. I think humans are more immune to their own immune system from the vaccine that has been injected, If you maintain a healthy diet by eating nutritious foods, exercising regularly, getting enough rest, dealing with stress, it's better than an injection that has been vaccinated.

The body will be attacked by viruses, if you do not maintain good hygiene in your environment and food, It's useless for people to inject vaccines again/2,3,4 if dirty habits are not eliminated and vaccines are not enough to protect the human body, avoid eating foods such as: Pigs, Bats, Dogs, and the like, maybe you don't need a vaccine, you will be protected from the corona virus aka covid-19.

I’m not quite sure that vitamin C is what helped the Chinese deal successfully with the virus, but their ability to test entire cities of millions in a very short time, and separate the infected from the general population. This is especially important for the reason that there is a certain percentage of people who are asymptomatic carriers of the virus (no symptoms), and when you test all people, you find them too. In addition, their vaccine has been proven to be one of the least protective against possible infection (only 50%).

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If no 100% effective way to protect against the virus is found, then we stick to the methods they are now implementing - vaccination as many times as necessary, with vaccines that unfortunately have not been nearly clinically tested. If it takes at least 3-5 years to develop a safe and successful vaccine, all of this produced in less than 1 year I personally consider an experimental vaccine that I just hope will not result in any side effects in the future.

It's probably because most of the world aren't ready to face a global pandemic that is easily transmitted like Covid-19 yet. Before, maybe the transmission of the virus can be stopped since mobility is still limited, however now, it's really easy to go everywhere, and most people are still ignorant, not wearing mask or social distancing, making it easier for people to get infected. People complaining wanting their old lives back, but the step that can be taken now sure only is vaccination, at least it will prevent some cases although not all, and won't make them severe. But the vaccination rate is still low, and not that effective, so actually it's great for vaccine makers to think how to improve it and make the better version of the vaccine, we need to cooperate to of course, willing to get vaccinated and follow all of the health protocol.

The government can only do so much about their vaccination program. If they cannot convince the general public that vaccination works, even with tons of free vaccination programs, then that is outside the ambit of their scope. You cannot force someone to get vaccinated as it will tantamount to involuntary servitude. The only thing that the government can do is to provide concrete data and information that vaccines do work!

Here in the Philippines, after the government announced that the public cannot visit malls without any prior vaccination, tons of people marched into vaccination sites to get vaccinated. There has to be some sort of tradeoff where you would impose to convince the general public to get vaccinated.

It is a very difficult question. I am not someone who supports authoritarianism from the government authorities. But here it is very difficult to take a particular side. If I don't support the move from the government, then I will be indirectly supporting the spread of the virus. But my fear is that if I support them this time, then they will use it an opportunity to steal personal liberties in the future. Can't trust the government, irrespective of whether you are living in a third world nation, or in a developed country.

Quite honestly I was expecting this scenario, those that were expecting that the vaccine was going to end the virus were simply too optimistic, the virus changes incredibly fast and just like any enemy it is going to adapt to whatever tactics that we use, and if we add that the pharmaceutical industry cannot really create the vaccine to vaccinate people fast enough and that there are many people out there that do not want to take the vaccine then this scenario was to be expected.

Guess it's about much more than just vaccines and people still don't get it. The economy doesn't seem like it can be fixed anytime soon, we're uselessly and endlessly chasing tails but the final result will still be the same. Virus or not, there has to be another agenda behind and they're thoroughly following it. Vaccines have been known from the start to be only a potential stopper of the virus, but it proved useless in the face of all those other mutations. If after 1 year even with a vaccine I still have to fear going out in public, something's wrong.

That's true, though I've only known about zinc lozenges as having proven ability to lessen the duration and severity of common cold infections.  That's been known for a long time; there's probably been more research done in the last 20 years that I haven't kept up with--and vitamin D has been touted as being some kind of miracle nutrient for years, but its relation to COVID-19 infections isn't clear to me.  I'm sure scientists are studying it, but with the virus being relatively new I don't think there's been any definitive answers yet.

Not all fat-soluble vitamins have the same toxicity, and it would take extreme doses for any of them to produce symptoms.  Vitamin K and A are probably the most toxic, but there's no reason for people to be taking either one of them as far as COVID is concerned.  I also don't believe the story about high-dose vitamin C.  Linus Pauling swore by it, but so far the studies haven't backed him up and there hasn't been any evidence published that would suggest that vitamin C in any dose can ward off COVID.  If there are any legitimate, double-blind, placebo-controlled studies that have been published, I'd love to read them.

Governments are sticking to the only solution that works for them, and that is vaccination. Yet if we look at data from say the US where it is stated that at least 70% of adults (https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/02/covid-vaccine-us-reaches-bidens-70percent-goal-for-adults-a-month-behind.html) have received a single dose of vaccine and at the same time have over 100 000+ (https://graphics.reuters.com/world-coronavirus-tracker-and-maps/countries-and-territories/united-states/) infected daily, then we need to wonder how effective these vaccines are at all, especially against new strains of the virus.

What is happening now in some countries of the world is a direct blow to human rights and fundamental freedoms, because if someone conditions people that they must be vaccinated if they want to go to a store or hospital, then where are we headed if not in the opposite direction of democracy.

The example of France (https://www.dw.com/en/france-over-200000-people-protest-against-coronavirus-health-pass/a-58868064) and its insane measures has brought hundreds of thousands of people to the streets to protest - and that is the only way people can really say what they think about being forced into something. The misfortune of this world is that 90% of people behave like sheep and don’t think for themselves, which is why we all live much worse than we should.

They don't have any choice but to believe that vaccine because this is much suggested by health experts and its just there are conspiracy theories which is spread by bloggers together with people who's easily get panic about those created stories about the vaccine. We are far to see this pandemic ends if many people will believe in hoax that's why we always see the numbers are continuously rising because many are still afraid about accepting the possible solution.

I already received my second dose but nothing happen to me and I'm glad I'm protected so hopefully other will realize that this is much important than believing on certain individuals who just want to spread fear towards this incident.

Just a year and a half ago I would agree with both of you, guys, but recently I changed my mind under the influence of my close relatives that happen to be certified specialists in the fields of medicine and biotechnology. Here's what I've learned from them:

1. If 70%-80% of the people in the world(note that ending the pandemic in one particular country doesn't make sense in the modern world) were vaccinated the pandemic would start to decline and would vanish soon.

2. Although you can be infected with covid even when fully vaccinated, the vaccination greatly reduces the risk of hospitalization and death.

Please take those two things into account, and maybe consider vaccination.

I myself got my first vaccine shot 2 weeks ago, and now waiting for the second one.

They think about bad things about the vaccine since there are so many fake news over the net and many people believes it, maybe its time for those people who afraid to get vaccinated to think twice about the current situation. The current rise is due to the new variant floating around and if those unvaccinated people got infected they have a high risk to get hospitalized and that's what happening right now. As you said if many people will choose to get vaccinated for sure we will see those numbers decline. Hopefully many people will get convince that vaccine is helpful to us.

A new vaccine for a new strain of virus normally takes around 3 years at least for it to be done. The vaccines that have been created right now took only a year and knowing that viruses are slowly mutating and we're seeing it already, I just hope that the vaccine makers thought of this.

There are some vaccines that are also effective against the new variants of the virus like the Delta and the Alpha but I agree with what most people said here. Being vaccinated is one of the keys for the people not to get infected of the virus or if they will be infected then at least they will have just mild symptoms. I personally didn't take any vaccine here for some reasons but I'm not going outside either at all. I'm also taking Vit. C pills for immunity at least but there will be a time that I will take 2 dozes of vaccines too.

I think being healthy will help you to have a herd immunity. It will take time though.

The normal route can take anywhere between 3 and 10 years. But in case of vaccines such as AstraZeneca and Sputnik V, they were given EUA (Emergency Use Authorization) in less than 6 months, and the phase III trial data was published later. And with the mutant strains, I guess booster shots will be authorized even quickly. At this point, no one can afford to wait 3+ years to authorize a vaccine, as the confirmed death toll is moving towards the 5 million mark. That means we may need to take a certain amount of risk, regarding the side effects.

The fact is that the current vaccines we have were specifically made for the original covid-19 and many variants came AFTER the vaccine was out, of course there wasn't any way that the vaccines would be great for that too, sure some of them are still good, but they are not specifically targeted for that. We will just have to force ourselves for a bit more mask, bit more distance, and some more vaccines but eventually everyone around the world will be fine.

Even there are many anti-vaxxers in the world, that is still not going to stop it because 70%+ people in almost every nation still gets vaccinated, so as long as those anti-vaxxers are under 30% that means with 70%+ we are going to be fine. The numbers are not there just yet but it is definitely getting there. Put some incentives on it and you may even see 90%+ in some poor nations as well.

As this pandemic continues despite of the fact that different pharmaceutical companies have already started distributing their created vaccines to fight back against the deadly covid-19, different variants of the mentioned virus also arise making it a hard time for the scientist to test if the created vaccine can still be efficient to be use againts those variants and if not, there is another challenge for them to again create another set of vaccines to resolve the existing problem and future use of course that will lead them to improve the vaccines or create another one from scratch.

There has been a surge in the number of people who have this virus in my country in the last two months and everybody is been extra cautious and has taken preventives measures even after taking the vaccines.

Not only the government, but also its people, the doctors, the vaccine maker need to cooperate and put effort to defeat the virus. Some other countries are depending too much on the government but still not cooperating with them. They always go outside, not following safety protocols and when the number of cases rises, all the blame will be at the government.

IMO, there was a surge in covid 19 is because the vaccine was not fully studied and experimented. Developing a vaccine at a short amount of time and too much pressure will make the vaccine effective but not fully guaranteed the safety of all. Though it was safe and useful to prevent so much effects of covid 19.

That is due to the delta strain. I am from India, and this particular strain caused up to 5 million deaths here in April/May. By June, it started spreading to the other countries. Now the pandemic in India is under control, but some countries such as Iran, Indonesia, Bangladesh and Thailand are reporting huge number of new infections and deaths every day. I hope that the vaccination rate is high in your country, as it is the only solution to prevent from getting infected (that said, the Chinese vaccines are useless against the Delta strain).

Seriously, everyone thought at first that by now we have gotten pass the issue of coronavirus, but even till now it is still an issue that everyone is talking about and it’s really bad. But, I still believe that there is always a solution to every problem. With time we are going to get over this no matter how long it happens to take.

And like the you have said the vaccine is not like the final solution, it’s just like a way to strengthen the body to be able to stand the virus and be able to fight through it. There hasn’t been like a final solution or should I say a cure. Though I saw comment here that claims zinc and vitamin D are great supplements.

The government really needs to prevent the new strain as it said that the Chinese vaccines could not against the Delta strain. I heard that China ordered the other vaccines from Europe, but I do not know if that is right as the media really blows this pandemic and makes people scared. We are still far to see this pandemic will end and we see death happen every day. But I hope we do not have to see a new wave of the new strain (besides Delta) because this virus can quickly mutate to a new strain and become undetected for some time.

Did you expect any of them to speak critically about something that brings hundreds of billions of dollars in revenue to pharmaceutical companies? In addition, all those who had any doubts and publicly expressed their opinion on the safety and quality of the vaccine were exposed to the media lynching and it is not uncommon for them to be fired. Not thinking critically in any sense turns us into robots who only carry out the orders of their masters.


That has nothing to do with the truth, because you obviously haven’t read my previous post - if 70% of adults in the US are vaccinated, how is it possible that they have about 140 000 new infections a day - and that’s not some tourists or migrants. In addition, the virus cannot just disappear, it continues to mutate and infect vaccinated and non-vaccinated, almost to the same extent (when it comes to new strains of the virus).


I can agree with this, but still need to tell people what are the long-term consequences of vaccination that will not stop at the 2nd or third dose - and given that the vaccine has not been clinically tested long enough (3-5 years by medical standards). Does no one ask what can happen in 5 years if people start getting some kind of cancer en masse which could be a direct consequence of vaccination?

According to some unofficial information, as many as 50 000 deaths in the EU are under investigation as a result of vaccination - but it has now become quite normal to say that some must be sacrificed to save others - I do not consider this a humane approach, but how much is a life worth today?

Wrong.

The United States is a long way away from herd immunity, as only 50.50% of the population has been vaccinated till now. 70% to 80% coverage is needed for herd immunity and none of the states in the US has achieved it. You can check the numbers here:

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations

And almost 99.5% of the new COVID deaths in the United States are among people who are not fully vaccinated (i.e. 49.5% of the total population). The fully vaccinated people, who comprise 50%+ of the population accounts for just 0.5% of the deaths. So the probability is 200 times lower for those who are fully vaccinated. My source is here:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcevoy/2021/07/01/995-of-people-killed-by-covid-in-last-6-months-were-unvaccinated-data-suggests/?sh=5a4d49a2493d

Until now, I haven’t been inoculated with any vaccine. Herd immunity is still a long way to go because of these new deadly variants such as Delta. But I was thinking between Phzer or Moderna due to it’s efficacy against COVID, but the mRNA concern is something that I wanna look at it yet. I could also do AstraZeneca as an option since most countries are now accepting this vaccine when entering their respective countries.

If you think that the CDC (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention) is misrepresenting, or that CNBC is writing nonsense, send them an official inquiry - I've been listening to this news for at least 2 weeks - and your source seems to only list people who have received at least 2 doses - which, by the way, have almost no effect on the new delta strain of the virus. The propaganda you obviously believe in just wants people vaccinated, and then I ask you why Israel (https://www.voanews.com/covid-19-pandemic/after-another-covid-spike-israel-launches-third-vaccine-dose) started vaccinating people with the third dose if people should be safe after the second dose?

The data that you have posted is misleading. It says "70% of the adults". Herd immunity can't be achieved by fully vaccinating 70% of the adults (also the data released by CDC is not for full vaccination, but includes partial vaccination as well). For herd immunity, 70% of the total population needs to be fully vaccinated. This should not be too difficult to achieve, since the US has already started vaccination among the 12-17 age group. And regarding the third dose (booster shot), that is required as the antibodies from the vaccine lasts for only 6 to 12 months. So after this period, you need to get a booster shot.

If you put common symptoms like fever and headache aside for Covid-19 and "Black Plague" then there is only one thing they have common. They both spread through the physical contact of two individuals. The mortality rate of black plague is greater than Covid-19. If you check past research then you would see that if any diseases spread very quickly and easily between humans then that diseases have a lower mortality rate. So I do not think that we need to panic right now.

I think covid 19 has gotten out of control. The vaccine production process does not have a complete compatibility and prevention for variants of Covid 19. Delta is contagious too quickly. Vaccines are not suitable to prevent the attack of each variant that comes out (Moderna only prevents 60% of Delta,...) humanity needs faster inventions to prevent appropriately, although the vaccine will take a long time, it is the only state awaited in my country.

In addition, each person injecting 2-4 doses of vaccine is also not a good solution, even it makes vaccines become scarce.

I've been saying this from the very beginning. No vaccine can be 100% effective against viruses (they can be 100% effective against bacteria). And these vaccines were created after studying the genetic structure of the original strain (Pfizer and Moderna are having an efficacy of 95% against the original strain). Therefore their efficacy against mutated strains will be low (as per reports, Moderna is 76% effective against delta variant, while for Pfizer it is 42%). Sputnik V claims to have an efficacy of 84% against delta and 92% against the original strain, but independent third parties haven't confirmed this.

Right now, as vaccines became available, the future is dependent only on the population. If people refuse to vaccinate - the virus will continue to spread and this will go on and on until something changes their mind, as the immune response has been shown to be rather short-term: the specific IgG against the spike protein only remains for about 6 months, on average.

In addition, while people don’t vaccinate - the probability of new strains' appearance increases day by day, and we’ll get new and new strains, each one more dangerous than the previous one because that’s how evolution works. It may seem like a conspiracy to many people, which start thinking: “another strain? More dangerous? You gotta be kidding me!”. But, in fact, it’s only natural, viruses always mutate inside the host and gain better traits, which leads to the emergence of more dangerous variants.

People can do nothing and whine about how tired they are of all this crisis or finally start taking some actions. The choice is yours.

There is something that is beginning to haunt my mind, for now Pfizer will have a new vaccine, the third, this means that it is to further protect the new strain, the Delta strain.

If we take into account that to develop an efficient vaccine it takes around 4 or 5 years, the problem is not the money to finance, the problem is that biologists and vaccine creators must know the virus 100%, which has released are only tests to minimize, and the truth is of no use, there are many who have been vaccinated and have died from the virus, if a vaccine is created it is to make them immune, but things are not like that.

I highly respect the opinion of getting vaccinated, but I think that if they continue doing things like this, those who have been vaccinated or will continue to get more vaccines to protect themselves, there will come a time when they will be drug dependent, and that is serious, because not knowing which strains can develop everything will be like a lottery, which will become a great business model.

^^^ This is not true. How many people who received two doses of the Pfizer vaccine has died from the virus? More than a billion people have received the Pfizer shots so far. According to the data from the United States, in the recent months 99.5% of those who died were not fully vaccinated. Only 0.5% of the deaths occurred among the fully vaccinated population, who comprise more than half of the sample size. I wouldn't say the same about Chinese vaccines though. A lot of people have died, even after receiving two doses of the Sinopharm/Sinovac vaccine.

Reports like this are the reason why there is a huge percentage of the population doesn't want to get vaccinated. Certainly, there are truths to these reports, the government itself admitted that even if you are vaccinated you are still not safe from getting a new variant of the virus. It's pointless to get vaccinated when the virus mutates every time.  This is why there has to be a better solution like end the mutation.

Look at the available data. It suggests that in case you are fully vaccinated, then you are 200 times less likely to die from the virus. Check this:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/cdc-data-covid-deaths-vaccines-b1881306.html

The chances of infection is still not zero among the unvaccinated, as the vaccines have a lower efficacy against the delta variant. But the truth is that despite this, they offer a great deal of protection from hospitalization and death. The current batch of vaccines are not 100% effective. But I would consider 99.5% protection much better than dying from the virus.

comparing both vaccine seems to be not ethical now because we are here tending to cure the virus and finally save the world,
but with this kind of topics we are just making people who had not been having vaccine take another second thoughts , even which is good or not yet those are the only available vaccines for now.
let us not forget that the vaccine is very limited and the supplies are really shorting now.
But indeed that for me it is Pfizer who's safer to use .

Wakey wakey.

Welcome to the club. People ain't calling this shitshow "plandemic" without a reason.

My guess is that WEF is behind this.You know, the great reset, depopulation and shit.

We are almost certain that virus came from the lab in Wuhan now. It wasn't a random incident.

People in China have been eating bats and other freaks for what? Thousands of years? And that became a problem now? Nice joke.

The mindset of people who are wrong about viruses and vaccines is still an obstacle because they think that when they have been vaccinated they will be completely immune to this virus but in fact it is not like that.
With our bodies already vaccinated, it is true that our antibodies are stronger in resisting the transmission of this virus, but that doesn't mean it's 100% effective because this is just a precaution and we still have to do the right health protocols such as washing hands and wearing masks.
but sometimes people's mindset is different, they think when they get the vaccine they will really avoid the virus so they forget the recommended health protocol.

I think the scenario in which we are going to have to receive a new vaccine against the covid each year is becoming more and more real, the virus is becoming more and more dangerous and if a new strain mutates that is resistant to the vaccines then we are going to be in trouble and we will have to see if we go back to the lockdowns as governments will be put between a rock and a hard place, as they will have an almost impossible decision to take between the life of their citizens and the well-being of the economy.

Some protection is still protection at all, even if it’s only good for a few months. The thing with COVID-19 is that its spike protein—the one responsible for ‘latching’ itself onto other cells—changes very fast that vaccine manufacturers are having a hard time creating a one-size-fits-all solution. It’s also worth noting that the vaccines we have now are concocted in such a short span of time in order to help control the pandemic. Ultimately, our immune systems are whay’s really fighting the virus and not the vaccines themselves. They are merely ‘triggers’ to our own body’s defense mechanism.

Due to this, many people are hesitant to take the shot, which often leads to conspiracy theories that big pharma is just making money off of this. While true that big pharmas are indeed making money off vaccines, it is still the best temporary solution that we have against the virus, until a drug capable of curing the virus is created, and a vaccine that seals all vectors of infection is concocted. Vaccines work, it’s just that some people are just not compliant with health safety protocols which, in turn, creates outbreaks in the communities. Being vaccinated does not mean you wouldn’t contract the virus, but it lessens that possibility and saves you from severe complications.

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On another note, we, at the lab I work in, still strongly believe that the spike proteins of the first variant detected was created in such a way that it changes its set of instructions once it infects a host. It is possible to create such RNA templates with the technology that we have right now. It may sound like I’m wearing my tinfoil hat in here, but it might just be the case. Big pharmas aren’t involved, but someone mean and bad just wants to take control of the world’s economy and be recognized as the world’s most powerful country.

Then again it’s just a discussion that we have amongst ourselves. We could always be wrong. After all, we are merely testing samples of swabs taken from suspected patients  :D

LOL.. most of the countries have already gone back to lockdowns. Some of the countries, such as Indonesia and Brazil are reporting more than a thousand daily deaths from the virus now. And regarding the booster doses, they may be required to counter new strains of the virus. The mRNA vaccines can't protect you for more than 6 to 12 months. After that you need to get a booster dose. And there is a new strain called "delta plus" being reported from India and from what I heard, it is much more lethal and contagious when compared to delta.

Well said. Vaccine has its benefits though I myself have witnessed some cases of covid-19 who got infected despite having received  received 1 or 2 dozes of vaccine, in my neighnourhood but their condition didn't reach to the extent  that needed hospitalization or ventilator  and they got recovered within 2 weeks with regular intake of Panadol and some home remidies like steam inhalation and by drnking herbal tea. It is true that vaccination does not totally protects you but saves you from adversitiess of covid-19.

Does the actual Covid case rate matter that much? More important than that is the death rate, which has definitely gone down in the vaccinated people.

Also this sounds raw but is true, for economics, it doesn't quite matter if a lot of people die even. People are now going out again and don't care about the virus, which is what matters economically. Sure it can take out 1% of the population, but if everyone goes out and then gets herd immunity, does it really matter?

Ah yes, the pioneering scientifically acclaimed journal known as "salon.com" - what complete tabloid trash you're trying to use as evidence to spread your garbage myths. The vaccine developers have been clear from the beginning that everything has to be based on real world evidence. This virus has travelled so far and so fast that it is unlikely anything the world has seen for around a hundred years - aka an unprecedented pandemic. Every vaccine relies on training the bodies immune system to fight an invading threat - however that relies on training against certain makers. A virus is a constantly evolving organism that is naturally changing as it moves between people and certain strains are able to morph into something new - the markers vaccines used change. That means that in most cases the vaccine will work where the majority, even a minority, of markers stay the same but as the virus mutates it can become less effective. Much the same as how some people get yearly flu shots, which are a defense against selected flu viruses of that year, we may need a similar booster to fight Covid until a longer term cure is found.

If vaccination reduces the risk of death by 200 times, then I would call it very effective. There have been a few deaths among those who are fully vaccinated, but these are rare exceptions. If you are completely vaccinated (i.e two doses), then there is no doubt that you will fare against COVID better, when compared to those who are unvaccinated. I have doubts regarding the efficacy of the Chinese vaccines, but the other vaccines such as Pfizer and Moderna have proven their efficacy against the virus.

Today distinguishing fake news from the real ones became matter of life and death, if not for you, then for those around you.


Exactly. We are facing a new stage of the pandemic, which can be called "pandemic among unvaccinated".


I absolutely agree with this, and maybe that's why the most part of my friends don't want to vaccinate - they think critically like I do. I even know personally a 40+ guy believing that Earth is flat, and that they all lying to us. Don't you think it's too much of a critical view? I personally do. And to me, thinking that all health care workers in the world conspired to kill us, or, to not tell us the truth about possible risks just to be getting their salaries is close to believing that Earth is flat.

In short, my current views coincide with what's written in this tweet:

https://i.imgur.com/j38gHoi.png

Is there no vaccine that can really cure COVID-19?

The Covid-19 pandemic has been going on for almost two years. Over time, the corona virus that causes Covid-19 also mutates and gives rise to various new variants.

In this regard, a number of countries continue to do their best to save their citizens from this deadly virus.

Vaccination is one of the most effective efforts to deal with the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic.

Vaccination is the administration of vaccines (antigens) that can produce the formation of immunity (antibodies) of the immune system in the body. Vaccination as a primary prevention effort that is very capable of preventing disease can be done by vaccination. With the vaccination procedure it is really hoped that optimal immunity will be obtained.

Actually, the body's immune system against a disease can be formed naturally when a person is infected with a virus or bacteria that causes it. However, Corona virus infection has a high risk of death and transmission. Therefore, another way is needed to form the immune system, namely vaccination.

The Covid-19 vaccination is carried out after the safety and efficacy is in place, in an effort to reduce the risk and death and encourage the formation of herd immunity. In addition, the Covid-19 vaccination aims to protect and strengthen the health system as a whole, as well as maintain productivity and reduce the social and economic impact of the community.

However, I will not speculate further about giving vaccines, because there are various types of vaccines offered by a number of countries that have succeeded in creating these vaccines.

I only see the positive side, as a community, always obey the government's recommendations, and really hope that the COVID-19 pandemic will end soon and the world will recover.

Currently, almost covid 19 has mutated quite complicatedly and cannot be controlled, the number of deaths is increasing, vaccination is only a temporary measure, there is still no absolute solution for this virus when you getting this vaccine will have unpredictable consequences that are called background disease, and the covid virus it becomes more and more unpredictable, now my country has a lot of people dying more and more.

Not safe with new variations but protecting ourselves against old variations, vaccination is the way to reduce the mortality rate of people, think of the positive environment that sometimes we have basic antibodies, even if it's very small, it still ensures that the candle of life still burns slowly before the government looks for new measures. Refusing to vaccinate only leaves us alone with the old variants and the loss rate is very high, the government's admission of weakness just so we know the dangers and should be vaccinated, they need us to give them more time to put an end to this mutant disease

It's not like that... these doctors you are talking about are getting their paychecks to sell different drugs! It's their job, they get bonuses from farmaceutical companies for that... when we are at that, it would be interesting to see who is on the pharmaceutical paycheck list! I would say all of them who are trying to scare people with numbers, repeating those numbers daily, every hour... brainwashing campaign! And it's going great as I can see!

And this forcing/blackmailing people to take this covid vaccine, what is that? Why they are doing that? Why they are targeting our kids? It's not about 1 or 100 articles, it's about logical thinking... why would we force healthy people to take some vaccine, why would we force kids to do that? Is that normal?

This couldn't have happened if the politicians didn't pressure the vaccine manufacturers to release the vaccines as quickly as possible to further their interests that are mostly selfish. They could've perfected it and not skip out on trials which is the crucial part in making a vaccine.

Zinc is not a COVID-19 supplement and nothing in the study you posted even mentions any applicability to COVID-19 whatsoever (in fact it was published before the pandemic began).  Nobody should take one abstract study that doesn't address the premise at all as any type of confirmation that zinc is a suitable treatment for COVID-19.  It's not.  Vaccine's have proven effective at limiting the spread and reducing the rate of serious illness, hospitalizations and death.  To maintain anything to the contrary ignores the reality and the science of it.  Due to people like OP who refuse vaccines, everyone in the world is in far worse shape.  This continued stupidity imperils the world.  Perhaps this is the type of virus that can never be defeated, just as influenza cannot be defeated, but we're certainly not in a better place because of the anti-vaxxers dragging the rest of us down, giving the virus continued runway to mutate into more dangerous variants.

Depends on which "expert" you are referring to. I mostly listen to experts from the medical field and they are of the opinion that there is no option other than getting vaccinated. However, other "experts" warn against vaccination. One such "expert" is Jair Bolsonaro, the president of Brazil. He has claimed that the mRNA vaccines can convert a human to an alligator. He didn't presented any examples, but I strongly suspect that someone in his family might have become an alligator after getting injected with the vaccine.

Agreed.


That's because big-tech (youtube, google, fb etc) are de-platforming those who say that the vaccines could be dangerous. You listen to the pro-vaccination "experts" because that's what they want you to do.


Here are some experts that are not pro-vaccination which the MSM don't want you to follow:

Robert Malone (was working on MRNA vaccines 30 years ago) - https://www.semanticscholar.org/author/R.-Malone/48938407
Luc Montagnier (virologist, won the nobel prize in 2008, discovered HIV) - https://www.semanticscholar.org/author/L.-Montagnier/4143190
Dr. Vladimir Ze’ev Zelenko (was doctoring  president Donald Trump and cured his covid19) - https://americasfrontlinedoctors.org/frontlinenews/poison-death-shot-dr-zelenko-testifies-before-israeli-rabbinical-court/

I think we shouldn't worry so much about the corona cases in general, but rather the severe cases. The corona vaccine is not going to give us 100% immunity. We need to see how the percentage of mild to severe cases is. If many people are dying and the hospitals are full then of course we need another lockdown. But if most cases are mild ones and nobody is dying, just has to stay home for a week like with a bad flu, then we shouldn't worry so much.

Wrong, there are many videos in youtube that contradicts the vaccine and these videos have reliability and establish facts and evidence to support their claims which builds arguments and possible a great debate. On the other hand, the VIDEOS you mention that is deleted in those platforms are those videos who just give their opinions without providing datas that will support their claims. In other words, HOAX.

@iv4n, you are my internet friend, but what's funny is that almost all of my real life friends have the same views as you do about the vaccine. :) I don't want to lose friends because of this bloody pandemic. I won't let it happen again! (I lost two friends already).

So, I don't claim that I'm saying the absolute truth, it's just my opinion, and here it is:

First off, I've never heard of forcing kids to take the vaccine. That's horrible. Parents, if they are normal citizens, of course, not some lunatic maniacs, parents have the right to decide what's better for their children.

As far as I know, kids are not at big risk still. Here's a quote from the latest article I read on this topic:


Regarding vaccinating healthy adults, I expressed my point (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5354249.msg57716487#msg57716487) earlier in this thread, and I have nothing to add yet.

But the most important thing is to not let this pandemic kill our friendship. Enough killings!

In Israel 86% of adults are fully vaccinated. Now more people in hospitals than in summer/fall 2020 without toxic shots. Vaccines cause ADE
https://i.ibb.co/QCLXj9m/temp.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)

Israel's 20% Unvaccinated Now Account for Half of All Serious COVID-19 Cases
While serious cases among a minority of Israelis who are not vaccinated against COVID are steadily rising, among vaccinated people they seem to have plateaued (https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/israel-s-20-unvaccinated-now-account-for-half-of-all-serious-covid-19-cases-1.10146662)

When saying "toxic" you better provide a source for the statement, because it looks very unconvincing otherwise.

Regarding "Vaccines cause ADE", which looks more sciency, I would like to ask for the same favor, because it looks like you are feeding us with some conspiracy site stuff.

From what I read, ADE is a very rare phenomenon


and focusing attention on it is unfair.

To me, COVID-19 is like a murderous regime that must be toppled as soon as possible. And you, anti-vaxxers, are like those saying "Let's not riot, it's dangerous!".

Well, yeah, maybe it's dangerous, but we must riot, we must take it down, because it's killing our loved ones.

Had to search back 14 pages only to find out what i was looking for is take off.
In the sig "Scientists and vaccines" notable people nobel price winners and vaccine experts tell you all about it.
Another one is this graphene oxide is toxic for humans thats why ingredients have changed for the COMIRNATY Vaccine
GRAPHENE IN VACCINE?
https://www.bitchute.com/video/bMlOUr9qKD9n/

The Pfizer vaccine under a Microscope it changes and morphs.
Fast forward 10min and then know why blood cloths are common.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8e06KfDWMM


Delta is mutating in a way that may soon produce ADE to the Pfizer vaccine through NTD mutations. Boosters most likely make it worse.
Paper out of Japan  (Short English translation is : IT IS BAD)
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.22.457114v1.full.pdf

I clicked "Scientists and vaccines" in your sig, and then googled Dr. Robert Malone, and here's the top result:

https://i.imgur.com/85D2SQu.png

You may be wondering why on Earth do I trust Google's top result? Well, I believe that if it's not marked "Ad" then it's what most people think is true. And while most people in a village can be wrong about something, most people in the world can't. That's what I believe to spare myself from researching whether flat-Earthers are right and stuff.

Dr. Robert Malone the very inventor of mRNA Vaccine. Does that mean you dont trust are no fan of his invention?
https://www.rwmalonemd.com/mrna-vaccine-inventor

Dr. Robert Malone, Inventor of mRNA technology discusses the Spike Protein
https://youtu.be/9E2UkhCWosg

This guy worked on mRNA in the 80s, everything involved since then. We can't trust him now with his anti vax campaign. He is to old to share anything valuable about the corona vaccines now. I think we can all see that the vaccines are actually working, the infection numbers went down and even so now travelling is allowed again the numbers are not back to crazy levels like last year and the beginning of this year. Also the mortality rate of corona is much lower since the vaccines.

For the same reason you trust CNN or any other MSM outlet. You think they are your friends. You think they won't lie to you despite the fact that they did numerous times already.

If google's fact checking results telling you this, it must be true. Uhm uhm. *chin moving up and down

The presence of the vaccine remains effective against the new variant because of the broad immune response it elicits.  That is, changes or mutations in the virus are unlikely to render the vaccine completely ineffective.
Countries with high vaccination realization experienced a decrease in patients with severe symptoms, the number of hospitalizations, and deaths.  This is the case in the UK, and the US.  Based on data from the Financial Times, the three countries have vaccinated around 50% of their target population. 
So vaccination does not cause a spike in Covid-19 case deaths.  In some countries where vaccination programs are running well, vaccines actually reduce the number of patients with severe symptoms, the number of hospitalizations, and deaths.

Some countries where people don't have 5 jobs, and eat fast food sludge, so that the healthiest of them are essentially sick all the time anyway.

If you build up the people with vitamin C + zinc, vitamin D, and a few additional nutritional supplements, and let them get a good night's rest now and again, they won't even get the cold or the flu, and certainly not Covid.

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Idk, do you trust WIRED? I do. And here's what they are saying about Logically:

This AI startup is tackling the coronavirus disinformation deluge (https://www.wired.co.uk/article/coronavirus-disinformation)

and here's what Logically is saying about Dr. Robert Malone:

FALSE: Dr. Robert Malone invented mRNA vaccines. (https://www.logically.ai/articles/who-is-dr.-robert-malone)

You might want to click on the text above and read other brief fact checks regarding COVID-19 with the links to full articles.

pre-vaccine(december 2020)
there were many variants
alpha beta gamma delta(all found pre december 2020)
yet due to vaccines. delta had been halted from further mutation for 9 months.
and lamda has only just become a thing.

so it shows that vaccines has helped delay spread/mutations.
think about it.
if there were 4(ABGD) mutations of notoriety in the 11 months from january to november 2020
and only 1(L) mutation of notoriety in the 9 months from december to august

then thats nearly a 4 to 5x benefit of vaccines of stalling the mutation rate

This is what many people fail to understand: not only "unvaccinated people are about 29 times more likely to be hospitalized with Covid-19 than those who are fully vaccinated (https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/24/cdc-study-shows-unvaccinated-people-are-29-times-more-likely-to-be-hospitalized-with-covid.html)", but also the more people are vaccinated, the lower the chances of new dangerous mutations to appear.

Right now 27.3% of the world population are fully vaccinated, which is good, compared to where we were in April, but not enough to stop the emergence of new strains.

The new variants of this Covid-19 virus are more dangerous than the previous one and yes the vaccines are much efficient to fight against these new variants. Though they might be beneficial to some extent for those who are previously vaccinated we cannot say that they are completely cured against the new variant.
The thing which is considered here is to prevent ourselves against these variants. wearing masks, keeping social distances, and following the Covid SOPs can help to keep ourselves safe from these new and old variants.

What exactly is the motivation to flat out lie.
Exactly the opposide is happening less than 10 people world wide died from omicron
https://i.imgur.com/MaWJxVE.mp4

https://i.ibb.co/g6tP14n/Unt3.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)

I've absolutely no idea, but you keep doing it.




I'm sure it's more than 10 by now, but what point are you trying to make? Omicron is a new variant, yes? So just maybe... more people might contract it as time goes on? Just an idea...




Well, masks and vaccines work on an individual basis, don't they? If someone has Covid and is wearing a mask, they are less likely to cough the virus out onto other people, and infect them. If someone is vaccinated and is exposed to Covid, they are less likely to contract it and, even if they do contract it, they are less likely to die.

Of course vaccines will work better on a population level if more people have them... because the more people who have been vaccinated, the harder it is for the virus to spread. This is not complicated. And yes, if everyone in the world is vaccinated, then R will be considerably less than 1... and end of pandemic.

Always the same kind of people sick, three times shot, sick again.
https://i.ibb.co/kqhpK0z/Unt2.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)

Straight talk from Dutch MEP Robert Roos about Ursula Von der Leyen's Vaccine Agenda
https://rumble.com/vr48qx-dutch-mep-robert-roos-calls-out-ursula-von-der-leyen-and-the-vaccine-agenda.html

All planed a long time ago
Fauci Project Manager Confesses to Creating Covid-19
https://www.bitchute.com/video/FHgptieNrpB2/

As if the vaccine is not bad enough, deathly home test kits
https://freeworldnews.tv/watch?id=61c0b341724c932b860a7175