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I wanted to ask you if nowadays it does exist a profitable altcoin for cpu mining that you could recommend me.

Thanks for your answer

If you did a simple google search you would see that the most widely mined altcoin with a CPU is Monero.

Here is a list of the hash rates of most CPU-s used nowadays,you will see that unless you own a few CPU-s to mine with it is not very profitable to mine with a single or dual CPU.

https://www.hashrates.com/cpus/ (https://www.hashrates.com/cpus/)

https://monerobenchmarks.info/ (https://monerobenchmarks.info/)

https://raptoreum.com/

Nah isnt profitable mine on cpu, and hard to scalable, because most of cpu mining crowded by trojan mining infected ton of pc arround the world, us profitable if the coin itself just start to mine or fair launch and you got early mining

Scalability is the biggest issue IMO. You can't build a mining rig with a dozen CPUs like you can with GPUs.
Every CPU need it's own motherboard, RAM, PSU, etc. and big CPUs like Threadripper cost more than the biggest
GPUs, even at the peak of scalping. That keeps professional miners out of the picture. There are also no big CPU
coins except Monero so that keeps interest low. Add it all up and profitability is low.

I'm not convinced bots are a big issue, most AV now flag most miners, assuming they're all malware.

The only CPU coin that's still standing strong is Monero and no it's not profitable unlike years back when this coin was still running on cryptonight algorithm, those were CPU mining good days, don't even bother with new CPU coins they are all shitcoins

ROI on CPU coins is in the years, not months like with GPU mining as of this moment.

Basically your equipment will be kinda obsolete by the time it has if ever returned enough coins to pay for the CPU alone if you buy new.
Your only recourse is to bet/gamble on the price-increase of the particular coins you want to mine.

You could scourge the market for second-hand CPU's of the better variety but you still need all the motherboards etc to go along with it.
And if you gonna mine you can't cheap out on the motherboards too much otherwise you will burn them out. The cheapest boards can't handle the higher wattage CPU's.

Basically you are better of using a GPU to mine other coins and taking payout in the CPU coin you want, than to directly mine with your CPU.

They are all "undervalued" in comparison for the effort/energy used.

This is a great discussion have a look at the Whive protocol which is still profitable to CPU mine given it has a unique opportunity for long-term profitability. Melanin Solar a startup is developing a use case for CPU mining using solar energy with a distributed smart box based on raspberry pi technology.

They all say that.

I am mining QRL with my Ryzen.

Quantum Resistant Ledger coin?

Yes, it is RandomX algo.

Yes like everyone said is Monero or coin with randomx algo.

Are you intent mining with your CPU. I mean if yes the profitable is tiny, I came with an idea why you don't build mining rig with dozen of GPU and put the good CPU on it so you can mine both CPU and GPU mine  8)

What's the profitability? Which Ryzen are you using to mine? I have a PC with 3600x, wondering if I can use it for something else other than gaming but I doubt it will give me anything meaningful for mining.

What does this actually mean? Does it help CPU mining become more efficient? You need to do more than this if you want to shill this project. I can't even find a website for this.

You could run it to mine Monero it depends if you gaming cpu intensive games or not, dedicate half the cores for mining.

I have a HTPC with a 200GE which is running 24/7 and use the cpu for mining monero  (total abt. 41W at wall) while mining) as it is only used to view Netflix, PrimeVideo, YT and viewing movies etc from my NAS box killing 2 birds with one stone ;)

Running it like this I don't feel power costs too much.

Intel Xeon W9-3495X Sapphire Rapids CPU Sips Almost 2 Kilowatts of Power When Overclocked
Intel's Xeon W9-3495X "Sapphire Rapids" is currently the fastest multi-threaded CPU in the workstation segment but it also consumes an insane amount of power when overclocked.
Intel's Flagship Sapphire Rapids CPU, The Xeon W9-3495X, Pulls Almost 2000W of Power When Overclocked
The Intel Xeon W9-3495X is a juggernaut of a chip that offers 56 Golden Cove cores, 112 threads, 112 PCIe Gen 5.0 lanes, 105 MB of cache, and all of that in a 420W MTP package that can sip over 1000 Watts when overclocked. We have already seen various overclocking demonstrations of the chip where it hit anywhere from 1100W to 1400W power spikes but the most recent overclock demo by ASUS's in-house overclocker, Elm0r, saw power spikes hitting almost 2 Kilowatts, the highest ever recorded for a CPU.
https://wccftech.com/intel-xeon-w9-3495x-sapphire-rapids-cpu-sips-almost-2-kilowatts-of-power-when-overclocked/

Mining on an expensive processor can end very quickly
X670 motherboard and 7950X3D processor
https://i.ibb.co/VjXhSF0/cpu1.jpg (https://ibb.co/FxGfwQk)
and
https://i.ibb.co/Fgb6FWf/cpu2.jpg (https://ibb.co/18fZknp)

Images of Giant Intel LGA 7529 Socket Appear – It Can Fit Six AMD Ryzen 7950X
https://gadgettendency.com/images-of-giant-intel-lga-7529-socket-appear-it-can-fit-six-amd-ryzen-7950x/
In China, a prototype motherboard of the Intel Mountain Stream platform for future server processors Granite Rapids and Sierra Forest lit up in front of the camera lens. And the most remarkable thing about the motherboard is the LGA 7529 processor socket.
The photo clearly shows that its length practically corresponds to the length of the RDIMM slots for DDR5 RAM modules – that is, about 10 cm! In another photo, the dimensions of the socket were clearly demonstrated: it can accommodate six AMD Ryzen 7950X processors.

This is a problem with the 3D CPU´s. And at the end, the benefit with high l3 cache is not worse to buy a 3D cpu for mining.

Or maybe this..

https://www.igorslab.de/en/and-saying-goodbye-quiet-servus-ryzen-7-5800x3d-with-msi-center-overclocked-and-executed/

I think that now it is best to mine CPU-coins on  minotaurx algorithm, for example, on  zergpool. There are four coins available with this algorithm. You can read about one of them (LitecoinCash) in article   Cryptocurrency LitecoinCash (LCC), mining on minotaurx algorithm (https://www.cryptoprofi.info/?p=10269)

Ryzen 9 7950X3D buyers face massive processor losses
The Ryzen 9 7950X3D processors presented at the end of February, described by AMD as the fastest gaming processors in the world, proved to be extremely unreliable. Users complain about processor failures in the first days or weeks of use. Our own laboratory has a similar experience.
https://technewsspace.com/ryzen-9-7950x3d-buyers-face-massive-processor-losses/

AMD confirms burnt issues with Ryzen 7000X3D processors
The latest AMD 7000X3D processors are burning up on Windows computers. Abnormal voltage issues are to blame.
https://pureinfotech.com/amd-burn-issues-ryzen-7000x3d-processors/
Although nowadays, manufacturers allow overclocking their processors, it’s clear that this is a risky approach to configuring a computer. Even though AMD is working with motherboard manufacturers to resolve the issue through an update, the chip maker nor the motherboard manufacturers are saying anything about opening up a program to replace the already damaged components.

GamersNexus Accuses AMD of incompetence. They promise to provide evidence.
https://twitter.com/GamersNexus/status/1652098512706838530

Earlier, Hardware Busters and IGOR's Lab reported that AMD Ryzen 7000 and AMD Ryzen 7000X3D chips consume too much idle power.
https://t.me/HomishTG/5073

May 1, 2023 By Henry Brown
AMD processors and GPUs have long been produced only by TSMC, if we talk about modern solutions. However, fresh data suggests that we will soon see AMD products manufactured by Samsung on the market.
Insider OreXda, who previously announced the formation of the Samsung MX department before the company’s official announcement, claims that AMD and Samsung have already signed an agreement that implies the production of AMD products at Samsung’s facilities using the 4 nm process technology.
https://gadgettendency.com/samsung-will-release-amd-processors-the-companies-are-said-to-have-reached-an-agreement/

That is good news if two giant companies have signed an agreement together as most likely in such cases always the final beneficiary is the client.If Nvidia now sign an agreement with Intel would be better but Intel has gone another route,the route where they want to produce everything by themselves including GPU-s.

The 4 nm technology is impressive and will be even further boosted by this cooperation between these two giants in technology,can't wait to see their first product from the Samsung facilities.

I remember the conflict between AMD and Samsung because Samsung wanted to expand their product line and make PC processors. AMD and Samsung are now competitors in the AWP processor market, and it is not always profitable for Samsung to help its competitor.

https://vk.com/wall-66746959_141287?ysclid=lhnnydfovd834702074
In the Russian market, component sellers remove socket AM5 motherboards from gagant if an X3D processor is installed or there are traces of socket burnout. New processors are expensive and after situations with breakdowns, stores try not to sell such components.

An important update for Ryzen™ 7000 series processors on ASUS AM5 platform Motherboard

This update is a continuation of our response to this issue. As mentioned, ASUS has been working with AMD on defining new rules for the new BIOS updates. These updates will continue to be completed as necessary. The BIOS updates address concerns regarding potential damage that may occur when using Ryzen™ 7000 series processors with our AM5 motherboards by following the latest guidance from AMD. This includes a cap on SOC voltage at 1.3V. Please download the latest version of the BIOS updates from asus.com/support. 

https://press.asus.com/news/important-update-for-ryzen-700-series-processors-onasus-am5-platform-motherboard/

But watch out, miners are saying that the latest BIOSes are overvolting the SoC, which is above AMD's allowed level.

CPU mining might run down the desktop much faster.

CPU mining can cause overheating of the processor and motherboard socket, which is reported in previous posts.
1 processor for a computer in mining today does not pay off, see the approximate payback of processors on this site:
https://www.hashrate.no/cpus

If you want to mine on CPU, buy Ryzen 2000, 3000 & 5000 series from the second hand market.
3000 & 5000 series basically have same performance for most mining algorithms. Ryzen 1000 just might work if you get them for free as I see people offloading them for real cheap these days. But power consumption might not be optimal for the performance.

They are usually cheap enough for it to be "manageable" if you are adventurous to take a potential no win scenario but just break even.
Don't buy the newest stuff because you will never get back the investment in time.

I don't do this myself but looked into it briefly at times. It's never profitable to put in as a investment but if you have a large cache of used parts it could be done as a side hobby.

If you are upgrading your main PC just for the latest & greatest, your old PC's could be used for this unless you want to hand it over to someone else to be sold or such as parts.
Used parts market have a large supply of potential cheap processors to be used these days with decent performance per unit to be much better than buying the newest generation.

Though GPU mining is much easier to setup & get a return faster.

The payback of such a computer in mining is very doubtful, most likely never. Have you studied processor prices now? The Ryzen 1000, 2000, 3000 and 5000 series processors do not have motherboards for multi-processor installation, so for each processor you have a lot of additional costs for components and additional power consumption when mining.

Exactly.You can only profit if you have already build computers with such processors that for example like I have permission to use work PC-s to do whatever I like as long as I get the job done,you may have also permission of doing so and this means you are mining free of cost and you can try any CPU coins,I have gone with Raptoreum and this is a gamble I am more than willing to make as if this coin hits its previous all time high of almost 0.09 I would be a very happy man and I would be a super happy man if it reaches a new all time high in the next bull run.

What do you do at work if your work computers are busy mining? :)
I would probably pay my employee an extra $30 a month so that he does not do extraneous business on working PCs, which after mining will need more frequent cleaning and replacement of thermal paste and of course a good cooling system.

Epic Cash is quite good for CPU mining.

There's a bit of a learning curve but EPIC is uniquely profitable compared to other coins. And it's a fantastic crypto if you're into actual crypto fundamentals. Decentralization, speed, privacy, security, scalability, fungibility, unstoppable money kind of stuff.

Most people don't understand it and get confused at first because of how it works. It switches deterministically between 3 mining algos: ProgPoW for GPU, RandomX for CPU, and Cuckoo which can be mined by GPU or ASIC.  It's allocated in such a way that it adds up to a total distribution of 48% GPU, 48% CPU, and 4% ASIC/GPU.

This means that miners can either use the project provided mining software and save 52% energy costs by not mining when the algo is dormant.

Or... the miner can use 3rd party software like ttminer and srbminer that will switch between other algos the miner might be interested in when the EPIC mining algo is dormant for their hardware (CPU or GPU).

Like I said.. bit of a learning curve but once you learn it's very worthwhile.

Not only mining,I have also virtual machines running and other financial programs that I monitor as I am the IT so it is like a Operation Center room my office and no one says a thing to me as long as I get the job done and bring money to the company by having their systems in uptime and working as much as possible  ;D.

I am mining with the CPU so not a lot of maintenance is need for CPU mining and I don't see any decrease in performance,I don't do mining because I am badly in need of money but why don't do it when I can and at 0 cost,it is a no brainer I will do it.

So at the end you steal from your employer and nothing more. I am sure he has no idea what you are doing. So this is morally questionable, but you also advertise casinos, so sure you have no morally.

I have permission from my employer to do whatever I like in that room,operations room which happens to be my office as long as I keep the devices in an efficient operating condition as the company makes money from such work.I am not stealing anything and the fact that I advertise casinos got nothing to do with having moral or not  ;D.

I believe you to be envious as you cannot mine for free like I do and I have already more than 10.000 thousand CPU coins which I can make a fortune in the next bull run  ;D.

I am also an IT engineer. Running other programs, such as miners, threatens me not just with dismissal, but with kicks in the face :)
I understand that if the CPU power is not used even by half, then you can start mining to get coins, but it's a big difference when mining on ownerless equipment and when mining on a PC or server that performs work processes in the company.