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Mastering crypto market volatility is one of the most difficult tasks ever which is why there are only a couple of master crypto traders.

Also, one of the easiest ways to influence the crypto market is if you are a whale who is willing to invest big amounts despite the risks involved which is common knowledge basically. Another easy way is through a group of whales.

What does that mean?  OP, did you translate this from another site, by any chance?  I'm not accusing you of anything, but I swear what you've written looks very much like something that would appear in a blog post or article of some sort, and "earns meet" has got to be a bad translation of some other language into English, because those two words together don't mean anything in English.

That would rule out like 99.9% of us plebeians who can barely afford much of an investment in bitcoin, much less what Elon Musk could afford to buy--and that's assuming he owns bitcoin, which I'm not sure of after those tweets that crashed the market a couple of months back.  The fact is that most members on this forum are very small investors; the whales aren't likely to be posting here (though I suspect there are at least a few old-timers who've got to have a huge stash of BTC).

It’s not really a must that everyone would be like Elon Musk. I believe that everyone can be able to contribute to the cryptocurrency Market no matter their level. every little influence matters in getting the market to the level that it is meant to be.

So, it’s not really a must that everyone is going to be a celebrity or a big influencer, although being that also has its own Perks, Since everyone would be looking up to you and you will be among those that makes major decisions. As for chart reading, everyone knows that you have to be able to analyze charts to predict where the price will be heading to next, if not you will just be clueless.

How to influence - This term is good but if the key to doing this is consistently brought into the public eyes then it will be of no use, since everyone will know how to do this then certain rules will be changed in the market of everyone using them will eventually make everyone suspicious of these things in the market and in no time those key rules of "how to influence the market" will be hindered useless and you'll have to come up with new ones.
Look at the example of Elon Musk.

Elon is popular and has a lot of following. Even if you don't have bitcoin but you have millions of people following you, you can still make the market shake.

But on this case, I think that we're better today and with the upcoming years and there will be lesser influence from these personalities when the market becomes more stable.

I agree, it is quite difficult to take this seriously, the OP is talking about gaining a reputation to influence the bitcoin market. You have a better chance of winning the lottery and, to be honest, if you need to get to be a rich and known as Musk to influence the bitcoin market, at that point you probably do give a s*ht about such a thing - other than for fun, as I suspect Elon is doing with Doge, just to prove some weird point about his self-proclaimed superiority.

To influence any market, it only needs someone to be a famous public figure who can say anything about bitcoin and will see the impact directly in the market. It doesn't really require all of that knowledge skills you've mentioned, you just need few experts to write down what should be say. Take Donald Trump as a clear example; do you really think he understands things in global economy or in astronomy, but he is the president of the greatest country in Earth so every word he says it has impacts.
If you want to make influence without being a public figure, either you hire a public figure to do so, or try to attract as large as much population that can help in spreading rumors and fake news to manipulate the market, otherwise i don't see another method though.

Maybe he just wanted to say important "meetings" where you can earn from dealings with people in those meetings. yeah i am sure it's badly translated from another language culture.

Ngl, OP's reason list is basically #4 only lmao. Not that I'm saying 1-3 are wrong, it's just that the 4th reason made the argument unbelievably dumb. It's like saying that unless you're a rich billionaire, you can't influence the market when imo, it's the smallholders that amount to huge numbers that move the market most of the time. Not to mention that what Elon basically did wasn't even a show of how rich he was, it was basically him using his popularity on the scene (due to being pro on Bitcoin early on and as well as his Doge shenanigans) to influence his followers who invest on Bitcoin.

I find in general OP's post a bit dumb because the knowledge we have has hardly any influence in the market as a whole, and point number 2 suggests that we have to move like the sheep that follows the herd.

Actually, us, retail investors, have hardly any influence in the market as a whole. If we acted united we would have it but that's not gonna happen.

If everyone is aware of market fluctuations, then everyone is a rich person.
What affects the market is people's buying and selling of Bitcoin. You may trust the suggestions of some well-known people. Some news will also be relevant to the market trend of Bitcoin.

By "Earn meet" I mean by getting what you desire that can sustain you or that which can be okay by you for the meantime.

The influence of Bitcoin to date is certainly still large on altcoins,
we can see for ourselves when the price of Bitcoin goes up altcoins also go up and vice versa too,
but what must be realized that not all altcoins will follow Bitcoin and that there are several factors for sure

Yes I think the influence or what affects the market is the number of transaction going on in the market and the direction that it is going. If there are too much order for sell for instance, it can trigger fud for bear and that panic can get more deep bears coming in because nobody want to lose their money and they want to also sell. Further to the other hand if there is a whale order for buy too that may bring the waves of bull in the market. Or a news can trigger price to any direction.

We know that we cannot do according to the simple procedure you wrote in the thread. Even those points are not enough how the whale can get to the high point and identify the market price. I wouldn't think too much about being like Elon Musk or maybe there's another name for him "someone who hides in his every tweet".
You don't have to be that big to be categorized as someone who can influence the market. In fact: if there is one person who can only spend $10 in cryptocurrency and interact by trading it in the market, I believe in a small context that that person has contributed to represent the 100 people in the world who don't own crypto.

Second that. It was in mind what I was going to write. But seems you already point it out. Because when I have been reading the post, I was getting hard to understand what exactly OP wants to say. However, I am assuming he wants to talk about Bitcoin influencers and how could we help Bitcoin influencing.

Back to the OP, those we are somehow related with Bitcoin. Most of us acting as an influencer. Definitely, we share our thoughts among Bitcoiners and close friend circles. But no one knows about that since we aren't a celebrity at all. Likely some of us just holding or playing with Bitcoin silently, that's not notable. The trues influences could come out from celebrities since people follow them.

The title of the thread is really confusing and misleading, I first thought you are thinking to influence the market, but then I read the post and realized it's even more misleading, you alone in any way cannot influence the market for sure, If you are thinking to earn money in this market just follow where the market takes you, it's better to say that get influenced by the market, whereas if you intent to manipulate the market then you must have a huge capital and set of people who too have a huge capital, even whales don't operate in solace they generaly formulate groups with other whales and then pump and dump this market.

I honestly disagree with that. I believe that acting like sheep and becoming strong retail investors is what makes us strong. Now you might be confused why would we want to be sheeps that follow others but look at what WSB subreddit managed to do together against wall street.

They got together, bought as much gamestop shares as possible, and they "acted like sheep" as in they all bought it not just for profit but for a reason as well and this caused gamestop shares to skyrocket and destroy all those who shorted it. This is why I honestly believe that retail investors are very powerful when they act all together. Building a community together and getting strong is a great way of making profit.

Unless you bought at the top and failed to make some profits, doing things like that might be good for you. Thing is, following others do not always guarantee a profit, and there's 99% chance that those calls are just some guy trying to dump on you. Collective effort is great and all but in the end the goal is to make a profit. Not sure everyone is fine burning their money just for the sake of sending a message.

In my point of view. As a new currency bitcoin still has low liquidity so even if someone have 5000 or 10000 btc then that person can  influence bitcoin market. I got so many knowledge and information from legendary members here that help me to do calculation about bullish market trend, highest and lowest price level possibility. Now I tend to gain profit rather than loss. I think the key is we have to keep on learning. Now I learning about traders behaviour, I think traders are the biggest factor that makes bitcoin market so volatile.

This is a meaningless post if I've ever seen one.  Some of the words you string together don't even make semantic sense, for example, "the bitcoin market is one that has to do with financial buoyancy and competency..." This combination of words in this order doesn't mean anything; it's a nonsense sentence.  Further, when your sentences do make semantic sense, they contain nothing of value because you're purporting to tell people how to do something without telling them how to actually do it.  

Point 1 - Have all the knowledge about blockchain and bitcoin.  Ok, sure.  

Point 2 - Always follow people who are well known in bitcoin.  Wait, I thought you yourself were supposed to have all the knowledge about blockchain and bitcoin, why would you need to follow what someone else is doing?  Second, blindly following someone else is literally the dumbest advice you can give someone who doesn't know what they're doing.

Point 3 - Just read the charts!  Chart reading is for people who think they're smarter than they are and who have deluded themselves in to thinking it allows them to predict the future.  If there was a single person on the planet who could do it predictably, they would be so famous and rich you would know their name.  There isn't because chart reading isn't a real science.

Point 4 - Just be rich like Elon Musk, gee why didn't I think of that?

I think the only one that works is the number 4, you need to have a lot of money, influence and connections to be able to move the market according to your will. I think it's the biggest way that you can influence the market, anything other than that is just an afterthought.

Elon Musk has proven to be successful in influencing the market when Tesla decided to accept Bitcoin payments. Then when Elon Musk promoted
meme coins several times, many people were influenced by everything Elon Musk said on Twitter at that time. But as time goes on, the truth is
becoming more and more apparent and Elon Musk's true goal of enriching himself is known. The conclusion is a lot of money, good connections
and popularity are things we must have to be able to influence the market.

With money we can do anything even to manipulate prices, but with a bitcoin market cap of $900 billion, of course we have to have big money to be able to influence the market, maybe making a community that is actively using bitcoin is a more natural and easy thing for us to do.

Money can manipulate everything and we already see that happened last couple of month in the presence of Elon Musk but I'm wondering why he's so quiet right now and didn't make any noise on crypto, maybe he already enjoy his profit? or what so ever? But also maybe he will comeback once he see something like bull market starting up to influence other for his personal gain. But don't know if certain manipulation the same what he made may work in future.

Wow to get to the level of Elon Musk what is needed is to be a millionaire, rich, it is the only way that he can be as recognized as him, however what you speak and say is true, but there are many who have other styles of entering the market, in my case I have learned that you have to trade with other people's money, not with your money, and that often causes confusion, because the only way to enter the market is with our money, but the explanation is simple, just go in the direction of the whales of the market, it translates into:

Buying when they buy whales, and selling when they sell whales, to reach that level you have to study a lot.

I agree that money is an important factor to be able to manipulate the market, therefore anyone with large amounts of money can manipulate market.
Always be aware that if whales move large amounts of funds, they will usually manipulate the market, but as long as we don't panic and always
analyze market before making a decision, there is nothing to worry about if there is manipulation in the market. Regarding Elon Musk is not very active
in the crypto world, because he realizes that everyone now doesn't believe anything he says. So Elon Musk chose not to do much activity in
the crypto world, Elon Musk was waiting for the right time to manipulate again. Because I believe money-obsessed people like Elon Musk will never
give up on manipulation to make a profit.

I agree with the amount of money that is put into the market to influence the bitcoin market but it may not make the individual known. Elon musk is not only a bitcoin whale but he is a strong opinion charger with his strong internet presence capable of turning a large community into himself. Comparing Elon musk with McAfee, McAfee had his own presence but not wealthy as Elon musk but he was also an influencer. So is not only about how you have but the presence you command to yourself can make investors fear fud from you or rush in because you are involved.

I don't think you must need knowledge about bitcoin or blockchain in order to influence the bitcoin markets but definitely you must be needing very big capital like how Elon Musk announced that he had invested with the bitcoin by the times of March month of this year. Otherwise you need to be a celebrity and even you are not investing anything into bitcoin but you can announce like you are an investor of bitcoin and having plans to invest more just for the reason of influencing bitcoin markets.

Anyway, if you're really loving bitcoin and respecting the work of Mr. Satoshi then I guess you never need to influence bitcoin markets because you can adopt bitcoin and you can invest bitcoin anonymously so that only the consequence of your investment will be felt by others but not your identity and your influence.

I think that we all here, by writing on the forum, talking to people about bitcoin, investing ourselves, all of that is influencing the market in one way or another. Our forward momentum is the cogs turning the big machinery that is crypto and if that is all that we do, we still made an impact.

A slight impact I must say but with all of these minorities we do really have a huge impact if counted. We'll just have to do what's right just like what the other's did especially if you promoted Bitcoin in one of your business the impact would start to build a good reputation that one day a merchant will offer their services on your country specially to those pioneering country in crypto currency.

The other thing is whales of course, once you are a whale you can make a great impact to the people and to the market. Like Elon did in the past but the problem is that people don't like it when Elon leave the market suddenly it's like he manipulated the market but I believe all he did was taking profit.

When they see post of someone they knew which is poor then became rich it will create a big hype for them. I remember during 2017 pump wherein many post in facebook their profit when the price pump, those who were not that rich became popular and others tend to invest with even the price is already at high that time. People is easy to attract when you already show them some results.

I am here to influence Bitcoin market I posted everyday on a positive manner and I suggested to my friends too that how Bitcoin generally a good platform for earning, investing. Give positive thoughts and post through social media. I am in Twitter and follows every Bitcoin related accounts to know new updates and also for influencing people.