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this is the fight https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8XEtqNS3XE

this is just the fight of Alana Mclaughlin vs Celine Provost recently, the fight isn't on sports bet sites though, it's from Combate Global but if it was, it's a sure-win bet. the fight sparks a lot of debate in social media about its fairness because and it might raise your eyebrows as well because history is that Alana Mclaughlin was once a US Army special force to which his real name is Alan Mclughin.

This is not right like Michael Bisping and Pierre Morgan  I share their opinion this is not a gender equality issue, it's insane and unfair for real women fighting in MMA


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Just look at this picture above there's really no difference at all
The power of the muscles and bone density is still there, it will eventually ruin MMA sports if they let a transgender woman compete in the Woman's category for me it's a form of cheating,  science is not 100% perfect when it comes to the bodies structure and density

it's obviously not fair. but if I am being honest, Alana Mclughin would have lost to a decent female MMA fighter. the dude is so bad that it is cringy to watch. also, have they not learned? I remember there was another MMA fight with a trans woman vs a biological woman. the trans woman ended up breaking the opponent's skull. 

They are still Man in which not fair for the women opponent , this may be applicable if the fighters has the same gender meaning both are transgender but if the opponent is Woman then this must not take place.

It's not fair and that's basically it. No matter how much others fight for the equality of transgender people, it doesn't hold to let them participate in competitions like this since it is for a fact that the body composition of a transgender woman is still comparatively different from a female.

It's already stated in the meaning of transgender, it may identify that you were of the wrong sex that was given to you, it still remains that the body you have is different from that of the same sex. Yes, equality for transgenders should be possible, but it doesn't mean that they should use it to take advantage of competitions since what you fight with competitions like the MMA is bodies, and not spirit (or core(?) idk you name it).

If that match was offered on sportsbook then the odds would've been one sided and like what you guys mentioned it's clearly unfair but the decision will depend on the organization they're joining since they're the ones allowing the fighters to compete in the same division. Then again even with an advantage like that, I feel like he'll have a hard time dealing with other fighters once he starts progressing or move to another organization.

It isn't fair, to be honest, but how come the fight has been set? It was decided by both parties and they are fine with it I guess but it will still be questionable on the MMA side on why they come into green light with this. I wonder if there will still be similar fights in the future but I likely doubt that possibility, it's too one-sided scene.

I guess it not good if the transgender will fight for the opposite sex because we know the genes they have origins from their natural gender and it's not good to fight with a pure masculine, still instead they can fight with other transgender too or else to the division they are appropriate. The last decision is still on the event handler and organisation if they would like to allow this kind of fight.

Thanks to the Olympics for allowing trans to participate in women by birth events, we will now see cases like this one more often. I hope that their numbers grow to force fight organizations to open up a trans-only division.

Honestly, I find this quite complicated since I read an article about trans who were born men but scientifically proven as living in a women's body.

Yes it is indeed must needed that they should add trans division for them to face each others because we knew that there are many trans that wanted to partake but they don't know in which category they deserve.

also while there are no available spots for their divisions then they must face their own level in which male division because they only change their gender but their physics remain as Man and stronger compared to woman.

This is a consequence of the ideological garbage that wants to equalize what is not equal.

And I say this without having any religious beliefs myself, for example, I am in favor of gays being able to marry too, but things like this are way out of line.






Don't say that out loud or you will be accused of being sexist.


I would like to see the proof, because the problem is that when science is previously ideologized, it can end up demonstrating what suits the ideology. Did the woman born with a penis have chromosome 23 XX?

Having a trans division in any sports related I guess is much way better than allowing a trans women to compete in a women's division category type of game. We do promote a gender equality but we all know that a man's body physique was much stronger to a woman. Though Alana Mclaughlin is now seen as a women but there's some internal feature to her that has an advantage with her opponent. But there's also some aspect that we need to consider like that this fight were agreed by both parties and for sure the other opponent know this info but still they do agree then I think there's no cheating on the said game that Mclaughlin committed.

I guess that is not fair because the power will still be different.
If they want to join the MMA, maybe they should fight with the other transgender people and not with women.
But if that is illegal fighting available only at the underground fighting, maybe that can be allowed as the fighter will meet with the other fighter, no matter if they are man or woman.
Hopefully, there are clear rules for MMA so transgender will not fight with real women.

If we are talking solely about force of each fighter. They should be equal or fair since they are on same weight class. F=m*a so basically they are equal but this is MMA and each player has a unique fighting style. I think the transgender has an advantage but not that great to the point that he can surely win the match. Remember both fighter undergo on training specifically on for this kind of fight so I believe this not a total unfair but rather some minor advantage.

Looking at his track record. He still loss to a woman so my hypothesis has some point.

Next time the trans is on the list, you can just bet on the trans for easy money. That's what I think before I watch the fight. The fight went pretty even though. Alana wasn't like beating the shit out of Celine, and (s)he only won by submission. BUT, this interview confirms trans women have an unfair advantage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRBGnjoWdo8

So if the technique gap is wide, the "real" women can still have a chance.

I don't care if the females don't care. It is their league. If they don't protest this, why would anybody else care? They went full woke, now it is the pay back time. If this continues, those trans people soon will overtake female sports and you won't find a born female participant. Since I don't even watch any female sports other than the beach volleyball, nothing of value has been lost. Beach volleyball is however, my red line. If those freaks (no offense to my trans friends) manage to make their way to that, I might join the protests.

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I have stumbled upon people who would ignore all facts and base their opinions on their feelings and I've been called a lot of things for what I believe regarding the topic and I realized that it's better to just ignore it. besides, being in this forum thought me that members here actually can have a decent conversation even if the one they are arguing is against what they believe in.

anyway, this topic reminds me of a thread I posted before regarding a trans woman being approved to join the women's football league in Argentina.

yep, especially if the trans woman is properly trained.

I don't think a match like that in any sport will get a point of justice. although I believe that in the match that happened, he had already passed the examination for more dominant hormone levels and or physically appeared to be a woman to get approval to participate in the match. but in body resistance and energy produced by the gender of women and men are still different.

I would probably prefer if the match were to be classified into a special transgender class. and not mixed in the women's class. I'm sure it will be more interesting because it's a professional match, not a rehearsal or a match that only cares about showing.

For me it's not fair because it would be unfair for them that in terms of strength, they either have the advantage or disadvantage, I mean South Park did a great episode about letting the Trans community join the same league, I say, we give them their own league like how we separate men and women's league, they should have their own league to compete.

Why did they let this happen because it's business and they don't want to lose followers and the organizations don't want to be labeled as racist or sexist and gender inequality, this is not fair imagine if they have a champion that is a transgender the title will lose the credibility and many transgender will join to compete and women will be left out.

I also think that transgender people shouldn't be allowed to compete against men or women, because obviously that would be very confusing and unfair, even though he's transgender but he still has the same physique and strength as a man so when he beats a woman like he does made by Alana McLaughlin in the game, it was clearly not a fair match at all.
 I'm not even sure the male fighters will want to fight him in the arena ;D, so it would be better if they were given their own league of transgender people.

They may soon cross the line, we already have it in the Olympics and we have it in Miss Universe, so they are taking over where a woman is dominating, they should create their own sports organizations, why invade the territory of women, we should protest fairness in the sport, even if they are backed by science that they can compete it's hard to take that logic, in the back of our minds we all know that the match is not equal.

Everyone knows the fact that male muscles work sort of different which makes them easily tougher or stronger. Personally I don't mind if male feels female but I am not convinced such equality, not checking biological differences. I sometimes think that maybe transexuals should have their own type of competition because I don't want to see them abused either. It is very complicated situation and hard to say any definite answer. But letting them compete with females is obvious mistake.

How about the testosterone level of the trans? Still predominant I guess so even if you say that they are in the same weight and height, she got an advantage already since this is the DNA that really separates the men from women.

This is probably some marketing ploy in part of the organisation, to attract viewership who are curious to see what will be the result of such match.

Absolutely disgusting what society is saying is alright these days. This bitch of a man needs to stop beating up women for money and come to the realization that you can cut off your dick but that doesn’t make you a women. These liberal mental illnesses have gotten way out of hand. How far are we gonna let these idiots drag down our society and race?

I also think it's unfair.

As much as medicine has currently advanced to "remove" all testosterone from an "ex-man" and it's also possible to carry out tests to prove it, I believe that the physical form of a trans person will never be the same as that of a person who has always been a woman for life. It's unfair.

Anyway, the sport in general still needs to evolve a lot on this issue and this will be controversial for a few more years, let's follow up.

That's weird. He transformed his body into a woman but still wants to participate in a combat sport. Why don't he retain his natural born gender.
No matter how the science have transformed him into a woman, what tissues and internal parts have been changed, still that's a body of man which is basically much stronger than the women.

I'm not against trans or whatever they call it the 3rd gender should know there place and limits.

so this match was supposed to be all girls but there is one that is rumored to be a guy ?
but we cannot say that it was a sure win for him because there are also girls that are stronger than men but before it , i dont think they will allow the match if found out that the other competitant was a male .
 in a pro match like mma they will do all necesary test and they will found out the real gender of each other . afterall i voted for not fair in the poll

^ LOL, definitely right. It is totally different with the strength of the women compared to the transgender women, they are still in a man's strength and nothing will change. I don't know why they let this happen, it totally unfair to the women's side if this will continue. It should be a transgender vs transgender match, not this. If they will let this happen on the next match, there should be a big protest from the women athlete, and this obviously not be tolerated in society, it is totally a wrong match.

Does the real woman know she will be up against a transgender? Did she agree with it? If that's the case then it won't be a problem. She may want to prove women are stronger than men.
Even Ronda in her prime will have a hard time if it is a man he will be fighting with.
First, they will have almost the same weight, height, and reach to make a match. But there's a big difference if in his/her past life he was a man and was built already. There should be a different league or bracket for them. They may only have a problem with the amount of fighters.

So in brief you don't care until it concerns a female sport you like... ::) But aren't you uncomfortable to see a (transgender) man beating a woman with his fists, his elbows, his knees and his legs? I found that horrible, she heavily bled from her mouth at the end of the fight. I feel sad for Celine Provost, I hope she won't be too much psychologically affected.  

Of course I find it horrible. Read my post again. It should be the females that are getting beaten by those shemale people should protest first. I find it horrible but what if those women like it? Maybe they like to get beaten by them shemale people. If that's what they want, then I say fuck it.

I can't save suicidal people from committing suicides.

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Dayum.

Eventhough her opponent is trained fighter but the fact that she's a past male and trained at army special force then its so unfair to let him fight on girls category since its really huge disadvantage for the real girls to fight him knowing how strong the boys compare to girls if we talk about physical combat. Maybe its best they shouldn't let She-males fight with the straight girls so that we can see the real fairness of the match.

The majority wins in this forum and on media, people are voting it's not fair and will not be fair, this is not fair for natural-born women to compete against transgender, the transgender will have a psychological advantage over a woman in a match, their opponent will think that they are fighting a man, the bone structure never change even if they change the hormone, they will still have the strength of a man.

Honestly, I have no idea about this kind of fight happening.

Well, I'm not against the Trans or the LGBT, they have their life and they want to be happy. I'm just surprised, and as I was watching the highlights shared by OP, these MMA fighters look like males.

So how do this classified under? is it on Male or Female competition? please educate me, I really have no idea.

I have high respect for women and men should not hurt women emotionally and physically, but I cannot stomach to see a transgender fight a real woman, all I see is a man hurting a woman, the power is still there and the advantage is very evident.
If I am a woman and I am about to fight a transgender I will decline and protest and leave the organization, I have to protect myself, there's a clear advantage and I could be seriously hurt.

it probably wasn't heavily reported that's probably why you missed it. Now that you know about it, I suggest reading the fights about Fallon Fox(a trans woman MMA fighter).

Nope, not a female vs male competition. the fight between Alana McLaughlin and Celine Provost is considered a fight in the woman's category. as ridiculous as it is, it is happening and there are people pushing for it to be normalized.

Women are always the biggest supporters of left-liberal and LGBTQ propaganda. Now they are getting the taste of their own medicine. Personally I don't care, since I hardly ever watch any women's sport other than beach handball, beach volleyball and waterpolo. But if someone asks my personal opinion, then I would say that these trans athletes should compete in men's category rather than women's. They may consider themselves as women, but their physical attributes are still similar to those of male gender. 

Why would they be on the same class? There's men and women's class for MMA so why can they be in there? Shouldn't they have their own because I think it's the true equality, I mean they wouldn't classify their gender as men or women so why on their class right?

Well, @mindrust does have a fair point due to the fact that the female participant had an option whether or not to participate. While I know that this is not ethically and morally correct due to some biological differences especially when it comes to their bone density where most of them does not get affected and change even if you undergo with to an operation, still this is a business where the money comes in.

The point here is that the people behind this event were the ones who allowed them to have a/an fair unfair fight in the first place. And this simply means that once money is involved in such a firm, ethics will be left aside. What do you expect from a bUsineSS' point of view?

Well, there's a history:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_people_in_sports (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_people_in_sports)

This is not happening for the first time, but for sure it's the first time in MMA! I think it's not fair to women, but as Mindrust said above, if they want to fight with half man/ half woman then why not?! After all, they are all fighters, I guess they know against whom they are fighting!

One thing confuses me about these trans people... after so many operations to get where they are, why they are risking getting beaten and punched in the face? Isn't that like a huge health risk for them?

I support that, they should have their own category hormone cannot change the mass muscles and Bone density, I dread the time will come that the top 5 fighters in the women category are all transgender, this should be stopped and organizations that accept transgender in woman's category should be protested I am for gender equality but what they are doing is inequality for true women.

When they refer to transgenders, they can be either pre-op or post-op trans people. The post-op trans people are essentially 100% male. I don't know how the sports federations define which category of these people can take part in women's sports. As far as the LGBTQQIP2SAA and radical feminist groups are concerned, they want pre-op and post-op trans people to be treated using the same threshold. So essentially if a guy claims that he is trans-sexual, he will be able to compete in women's sport. BTW, what is the issue if there is a third, separate category for the trans people, in addition to male and female sports? 

This match should have been cancelled. Totally unfair. Who even makes these rules? Trans people should fight trans people. I mean, they should have their own league or something. And this should be applied to every other competitive events.

I agree with a lot of people who comment how unfair a fight where the sexes have to be the same. although this is transgender, but outwardly is..........
I'm not sure that the MAA rules can be revised for just one or two bouts to certify a fight. What will happen if this is used as a reference for other fighters? In fact, crossing the sexes in the same ring will result in a violation of the MAA rules and tarnish the match.

The transgender somehow will have more power than the woman and I am afraid that those women can beat up easily by them. Even if that women have high skills in that fighting but still has less power compared to that transgender person. Hopefully, those matches will not continue and will get attention from the public so transgender can fight with the other and the women can fight as usual with other women. It is not just about money but it is about morale and psychology.

You didn't get my point of view obviously. I'm not talking about fairness here, I would have been shocked in the same way if the transsexual man had been 2 weight classes below Celine Provost. What is unbearable for me here is to see a man hitting a woman with his fists.

This is equality, right? Something the woke left always told us, in fact, demanded, was in line with basic human rights. Forget the differential in bone structure, muscle mass, testosterone levels, clearly men and women must have the same physical abilities.

I watched the full fight. The (real) woman put up a good effort despite fighting an actual man.


Don't worry, it is coming, and is coming soon. Never in my life time would I have predicted women and men fighting in the same organization. Normally, we call that abuse, some might called it domestic violence, whatever.

Usually I would agree with you on the whole freedom of choice thing... but, I'm not sure how many of these fighters you know in real life, but they are basically broke.  Even the pretty high level fighters.  They spend all their money training and don't make much back from their fights.  It's highly likely (I don't know the specific circumstances) that this was the only fight she could get and while I'm sure she would have preferred to fight a woman instead of a man, I'm sure she had bills to pay.  Shame on whatever promoter put on this fight, shame on the man who cut off his dick to pretend to be a woman and is now assaulting women for money, and shame on anyone who supported this event by buying tickets.  Feminism is one thing, but in competition there is an expectation of fairness, and a man fighting a woman isn't fair, regardless of what surgeries he's had.

This is wrong. He somehow struggled to beat the real woman but I'm not sure how much acting he situate to make it appear as if the fight is fair. Looking at his previous built before his operation, this man has really masculine built with all the muscles which can only be achieved by someone who spends hours a day in the gym.  

If he has a sense of fairness in his mind, he wouldn't really be going into this fight but for money, he will do it.