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Title: Why people plagiarize
Post by: Rockstarguy on September 17, 2021, 06:14:54 PM
Plagiarism or paraphrasing is a common habit to people who are not ready to learn, all they think is to be so fast to take people's work elsewhere to meet up the standard of members who have paid price and time for years to have a sound knowledge. This members who plagiarized hide themselves in a sheep clothes having the mindset stealing a work from outside they won't be caught in the forum.

The reason I think why people often plagiarize is because they look down on themselves by hiding the little knowledge they have in them, they feel shy about it not knowing that if they express the little knowledge inside of them will make them to know more and help them to grow . I believe what is being practiced  by a person makes the person to be better or perfect. I feel the main reason why people plagiarize they feel lazy, not ready to learn to grow and they want to be in a class or level of people who have spent to get knowledge.


Title: Re: Why people plagiarize
Post by: actmyname on September 17, 2021, 06:42:08 PM
Alternative, non psychoanalytical hypothesis: it's easier.


Title: Re: Why people plagiarize
Post by: isaac_clarke22 on September 17, 2021, 06:54:49 PM
Why people plagiarise in the forum and how to avoid plagiarism. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5352202.0)


Title: Re: Why people plagiarize
Post by: The Sceptical Chymist on September 17, 2021, 06:55:04 PM
The reason I think why people often plagiarize is because they look down on themselves by hiding the little knowledge they have in them, they feel shy about it not knowing that if they express the little knowledge inside of them will make them to know more and help them to grow .
My man, I like actmyname's explanation much better because it cuts to the truth of the situation much better than yours does. 

The facts are these:
1) Signature campaigns/bounties most often pay for posts in English.
2) Many participants in those campaigns/bounties are non-English speakers.
3) Many are also dishonest and lazy and think nothing of trying their luck with the rules, knowing they can just create another account if they get caught, even if that itself is against the rules.

That's the long and short of it.  Also, I would suggest that we don't need an in-depth analysis of why people plagiarize on this forum.  It's not rocket science.


Title: Re: Why people plagiarize
Post by: LTU_btc on September 17, 2021, 08:56:16 PM
There is multiple reasons why people do it. One of it - they want to be ''smarter'' than everyone else and earn money without putting much effort. And they think that they won't be caught. If there is rule, there always will be people who will try to break it. Especially when it comes to money. Another reason is lack of knowledge. Some users here don't have much knowledge about crypto, but still want to earn money. So, stealing other people work is solution for them. And another reason - as said above, languague barrier can be problem for some people too. If you aren't fluent English speaker, it will be difficult for you to make constructive posts.


Title: Re: Why people plagiarize
Post by: Ultegra134 on September 17, 2021, 09:05:06 PM
The reason I think why people often plagiarize is because they look down on themselves by hiding the little knowledge they have in them, they feel shy about it not knowing that if they express the little knowledge inside of them will make them to know more and help them to grow .
My man, I like actmyname's explanation much better because it cuts to the truth of the situation much better than yours does. 

The facts are these:
1) Signature campaigns/bounties most often pay for posts in English.
2) Many participants in those campaigns/bounties are non-English speakers.
3) Many are also dishonest and lazy and think nothing of trying their luck with the rules, knowing they can just create another account if they get caught, even if that itself is against the rules.

That's the long and short of it.  Also, I would suggest that we don't need an in-depth analysis of why people plagiarize on this forum.  It's not rocket science.
Not an English speaker myself, either, but had dedicated quite a few years during my teenage years trying to master them. Let's also take into account how many users use Google Translate, (Stated facts 1 and 2), often with poor results, thus sometimes it's just an easier and faster way to be done with it. Luckily, most of those users do not enter the most renowned campaigns, or are often kicked for low quality posts.


Title: Re: Why people plagiarize
Post by: Pbacala on September 17, 2021, 09:36:06 PM
But why people don't use their brain creating posts? It takes minutes to write something, not hours..


Title: Re: Why people plagiarize
Post by: BitMaxz on September 17, 2021, 10:12:29 PM
But why people don't use their brain creating posts?

Have you read the whole thread?

The Pharmacist post above should be enough for this question and another thing is there are some bot tools that mostly use on SEO. Mostly plagiarized and paraphrasing are generated from that bots just to earn Bitcoin or altcoin from the signature campaign.
 
Why do they do that? Because they can run multiple accounts on a single bot to spam here on the forum and earn easily without spending too much time. They can't handle multiple accounts without this bot due to lack of knowledge and most of them don't have much knowledge to speak in English.


Title: Re: Why people plagiarize
Post by: Poker Player on September 18, 2021, 04:39:30 AM
But why people don't use their brain creating posts? It takes minutes to write something, not hours..

If you are shitposting then yeah it wont take long. Making some constructive posts can take an hour or two.

It may take you an hour or two, but not me, and I would say neither 99% of the forum or more. One thing is that you start a thread like fillippone's, in that case it is plausible that it took him that time, for example:

ALPS BLOCKCHAIN: mining in Italy from 100% renewable energy. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5359284.msg57904934#msg57904934)

But let's look at this constructive post by LoyceV, for example:

imagine saving your electrum seed phrase very carefully and then you can't recover it.
It's very easy to prevent this by test-recovering your seed phrase before funding the wallet.

That took him seconds to write.

Constructive does not equal a lot of text, a short sentence that hits the nail on the head is also constructive.

Regarding OP's question, as has already been mentioned, there are several causes, but I would say that one that has not been mentioned is that nowadays we want everything fast and with little effort. Many people take the easy way out, and more so in this forum where you can earn money by writing.


Title: Re: Why people plagiarize
Post by: mindrust on September 18, 2021, 05:06:14 AM
Simple. They don't have the education to form a few well structured sentences or a well thought idea. Some of them know English very well but they don't have anything to say. The others lack both. It is the same in academy, it is the same in this forum, stealing other people's work makes you look smarter, for a while till your mask slips and your dumb face comes to surface.


Title: Re: Why people plagiarize
Post by: lovesmayfamilis on September 18, 2021, 05:22:07 AM
I'll ask the OP a counter-question. What were your guides when you copied this post?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5356636.msg57787284#msg57787284

Oh yes, you added a link, but this information is not new, and you did not write it.
https://i.ibb.co/WcrhdKb/Screenshot.png (https://ibb.co/rZBjLyC) ;D
And in the topic you created, after your copying, there is not a single word from you.
The information is so old that it just didn't make sense to copy it, but you thought it was productive information. The opening of the topic was aimed at obtaining AT LEAST some merit.

It is with these thoughts that people come here with plagiarism. They are not just lazy, but on the contrary, they are cunning, thinking that with their cunning they can deceive those who are experienced enough in finding such charlatans.



And explain the opening of this topic today for what?


Title: Re: Why people plagiarize
Post by: Poker Player on September 18, 2021, 05:35:35 AM
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The information is so old that it just didn't make sense to copy it, but you thought it was productive information. The opening of the topic was aimed at obtaining AT LEAST some merit.
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And explain the opening of this topic today for what?

I suppose that, as you say, his intention was to obtain some merit. I remember I was about to reply in that thread saying that he should add some comments or something and not just to copy-paste (adding a link) when I realized that the link was very old and also soon after I realized that the thread had been locked. If you notice I gave a merit in that thread.

As for the topic of today, I think it was also aimed at obtaining some merit.

Can you take a look at this? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5360516.msg57962225#msg57962225)

I ask you as an expert on the subject. I don't know if we are going to have another pokapoka124 or Mpamaegbu case.


Title: Re: Why people plagiarize
Post by: tranthidung on September 18, 2021, 06:10:48 AM
Plagiarsism QA topics. I don't think new topics about plagiarism are necessary (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5358322.0).

Did OP use the Search tab before making this topic? There are many topics about plagiarism (above, I collected a few of them). I did not see anything new to discuss about it.
  • Newbies - Read before posting (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1689727.0)
  • [Guide] Searching effectively (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5276341.0)


Title: Re: Why people plagiarize
Post by: LoyceV on September 18, 2021, 06:13:19 AM
But let's look at this constructive post by LoyceV, for example:
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That took him seconds to write.
I can beat that: a simple "no" can be enough as an answer, as long as it comes from a knowledgeable user.

Quote
Constructive does not equal a lot of text, a short sentence that hits the nail on the head is also constructive.
There's the problem, you can't hit that nail if you don't know what you're talking about.

For the record: I've also made posts that took many hours to write, during multiple days.

Alternative, non psychoanalytical hypothesis: it's easier.
In the spirit of short answers, I'd answer the question "Why people plagiarize" with one word: Money!


Title: Re: Why people plagiarize
Post by: lovesmayfamilis on September 18, 2021, 06:26:13 AM


Can you take a look at this? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5360516.msg57962225#msg57962225)

I ask you as an expert on the subject. I don't know if we are going to have another pokapoka124 or Mpamaegbu case.

Well, if this is plagiarism, then there must be a source where it was copied from. I could not find it, and the post is gone. Why excavate the dead?


Title: Re: Why people plagiarize
Post by: actmyname on September 18, 2021, 06:28:58 AM
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Constructive does not equal a lot of text, a short sentence that hits the nail on the head is also more constructive.
Brevity is the soul of wit.

If you are completely incompetent, you might say nothing at all;
   if you are bullshitting, you could continuously spew away.

A well-crafted post will shave away the bullshit, leaving a simple message,
   and that is much more effective than a long post, even if it's high-quality.
Perhaps beyond post quality is quality density: if substantial knowledge can be condensed across a brief reply (or series of replies).


Title: Re: Why people plagiarize
Post by: GeorgeJohn on September 18, 2021, 06:42:50 AM
The reason I think why people often plagiarize is because they look down on themselves by hiding the little knowledge they have in them, they feel shy about it not knowing that if they express the little knowledge inside of them will make them to know more and help them to grow . I believe what is being practiced  by a person makes the person to be better or perfect. I feel the main reason why people plagiarize they feel lazy, not ready to learn to grow and they want to be in a class or level of people who have spent to get knowledge.
Some people plagarised because they lack information that plagarism is forbidden which quite called unintentional in order to indicate that they are hard working fellow, and this specially happen through when they are novice  or beginner's in the forum, it's very rall before you see a bornified member that is up to six months to the community plagiarised an article,  because it has known the acronym's and norms of the community, but anyone who intend to do it after some long stays in community really have objectives.


Title: Re: Why people plagiarize
Post by: Rockstarguy on September 18, 2021, 06:59:23 AM
I'll ask the OP a counter-question. What were your guides when you copied this post?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5356636.msg57787284#msg57787284

Oh yes, you added a link, but this information is not new, and you did not write it.
https://i.ibb.co/WcrhdKb/Screenshot.png (https://ibb.co/rZBjLyC) ;D
And in the topic you created, after your copying, there is not a single word from you.
The information is so old that it just didn't make sense to copy it, but you thought it was productive information. The opening of the topic was aimed at obtaining AT LEAST some merit.

It is with these thoughts that people come here with plagiarism. They are not just lazy, but on the contrary, they are cunning, thinking that with their cunning they can deceive those who are experienced enough in finding such charlatans.



And explain the opening of this topic today for what?
Well concerning this post I'm not too familiar with the cryptocurrencies. . I had to share that post here in the forum to be sure from well experienced people how true the article is. As you can see there is a link below


Title: Re: Why people plagiarize
Post by: mk4 on September 18, 2021, 07:16:11 AM
But why people don't use their brain creating posts? It takes minutes to write something, not hours..

Coming from someone who seem to not read some of the replies in this thread before creating a response. Quite ironic, innit?


Title: Re: Why people plagiarize
Post by: Kong Hey Pakboy on September 18, 2021, 07:29:18 AM
Because they have a hard time coming up with words, ideas and structure and it's much easier to plagiarize someone's work rather than just making your own stuff.


Title: Re: Why people plagiarize
Post by: LoyceV on September 18, 2021, 07:41:48 AM
If you are completely incompetent, you might say nothing at all;
   if you are bullshitting, you could continuously spew away.
This reminds me of this graph:
https://www.learningandthebrain.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/DK-Image-EFA.png
(image source (https://www.learningandthebrain.com/blog/unbearable-irony-when-dunning-kruger-bites-back/) | I think this is the original source, but I can't access it to verify (https://psycnet.apa.org/doiLanding?doi=10.1037%2F0022-3514.77.6.1121))

Users in the "Mount Stupid" category usually end up on my Ignore list.


Title: Re: Why people plagiarize
Post by: gagux123 on September 18, 2021, 09:18:25 AM
Plagiarism or paraphrasing is a common habit to people who are not ready to learn, all they think is to be so fast to take people's work elsewhere to meet up the standard of members who have paid price and time for years to have a sound knowledge. This members who plagiarized hide themselves in a sheep clothes having the mindset stealing a work from outside they won't be caught in the forum.

The reason I think why people often plagiarize is because they look down on themselves by hiding the little knowledge they have in them, they feel shy about it not knowing that if they express the little knowledge inside of them will make them to know more and help them to grow . I believe what is being practiced  by a person makes the person to be better or perfect. I feel the main reason why people plagiarize they feel lazy, not ready to learn to grow and they want to be in a class or level of people who have spent to get knowledge.
Hmm.... well, this is an interesting topic for us to discuss about this theme

But in my opinion I believe that people plagiarize are:

- They don't have a very deep knowledge in a certain area of knowledge and that's why they intend to "create" something of quality by plagiarizing others.

- Laziness to research and chase your goals

- People can do this because they don't have enough time to complete a certain task, for example, creating a scientific paper that will need to be delivered tomorrow, it will do everything to deliver it but can also plagiarize to complete this task


Title: Re: Why people plagiarize
Post by: ifarted on September 18, 2021, 09:49:29 AM
The reason I think why people often plagiarize is because they look down on themselves by hiding the little knowledge they have in them, they feel shy about it not knowing that if they express the little knowledge inside of them will make them to know more and help them to grow . I believe what is being practiced  by a person makes the person to be better or perfect. I feel the main reason why people plagiarize they feel lazy, not ready to learn to grow and they want to be in a class or level of people who have spent to get knowledge.
For me, the main reason would be mostly because they're lazy. They copied and acted like they own their words because it's easier for them. They get paid while pretending to be smart without breaking a sweat and for them it's the best trick they could pull off.

Well there are some other people out there who uses plagiarism because they only had little knowledge. It's understandable but still wrong because they are preventing themselves from learning. In own perspective it's still part of laziness because why not learn. It's easier and mostly it's much safer to avoid being banned.


Title: Re: Why people plagiarize
Post by: fillippone on September 18, 2021, 01:53:53 PM
It may take you an hour or two, but not me, and I would say neither 99% of the forum or more. One thing is that you start a thread like fillippone's, in that case it is plausible that it took him that time, for example:

ALPS BLOCKCHAIN: mining in Italy from 100% renewable energy. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5359284.msg57904934#msg57904934)

I wish it took only two hours to write that post.
I have no precise statistics, but I guess more plausible figure is double of that time (research, editing, posting, proofreading, some back and forth communication to correct details with the support of the people working at the firm etc).

I am almost sure the most time-consuming OP is this one:
Everything you wanted to know about BTC options but were afraid to ask! (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5214418)

It took weeks to complete, and I guess active work on that easily north of ten hours.



Title: Re: Why people plagiarize
Post by: noormcs5 on September 19, 2021, 06:57:38 AM
Because they have a hard time coming up with words, ideas and structure and it's much easier to plagiarize someone's work rather than just making your own stuff.

If they cant do the hard work to prepare and write the posts themselves, then there is no space from them in this forum. The more quickly they copy paste the posts and make their task easier, the quicker the forum bans them forever.


Title: Re: Why people plagiarize
Post by: Pmalek on September 19, 2021, 08:27:50 AM
But why people don't use their brain creating posts? It takes minutes to write something, not hours..
You can't use your brain if you don't have any knowledge of the things you write about. People copy-paste because it's easier to meet their post quota. They post because they want to earn. They aren't interested in learning about Bitcoin, acquiring some knowledge and experience, and displaying that through their posts. Many don't even speak English, like The Pharmacist mentioned.