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Everyone’s wish is to have a good and dream future which is more brighter than any other thing else, but by so doing, some loose the ones they have gotten already while others tends to gain more and add to their fortunes, thereby making them more famous and relevant. The Bible said “Hold thou fast which thou has” so there is no justification for you to loose the things you have gotten but this don’t always stand as some people are ready to gain even the one which you have accumulated for yourself. In my life, I feel better to gain than loss because;
1.Winning and gaining is what am in this life for
2.  Gaining will make me more relevant in all endeavors than to loose
3.  For me to get engaged in many things, then my mindset is determined already
    on gains
4.  I say yes to the pains because no pain then no gain, therefore I should have
    more.

Did you ask yourself why you have to loose something to gain another thing?

Why not both makes more sense to me.

And as an investor I always keep telling myself about how to avoid losing my money while investing on anything so I can reduce the risk factor and ensure some kind of returns.

I am not really sure if this is relevant in the context you are speaking of, but looking back one of the better moments in my investor career have been the moments where I have lost some of my money only to learn something of value. For example intellectually I always knew never to let my fear or greed make decisions for me but I really needed to learn that lesson emotionally on my own. So in a way losing something was a way to gain something.

You don't have to lose anything just to gain something, try to find a way to make sure that you won't lose anything or make the possible losses alleviated.

I know winning give more confidence that you are good at what you do. Making reference with football teams, a good team has the confidence to face any team despite the stars the other opponent has and on the field of play, they don't get scared to keep their game high. Like trading also, a good strategy gives confidence especially when it has consistently given you lots of win. I take my chances when the market opens a winning possibility for me because it has consistently shown such advantage in the past that turned a win.

I do think that you have to understand the fact that loosing/winning is a part of life and at the same time, you have to let go of things and at the same time think about your ideas and how you want things to change in the future as well. You have to plan well in advance and do smart work as well, sometimes winning/loosing and making sure that things would be equal or something like that might cause you to loose more amount for the long term as well. Therefore I do think that you have to make peace with the situation and plan the future things in advance.

Much like gambling where people try and get their money back but at the end that works for the worst in some situations and they end up in debt as well.

I didn't even get that far such that I'd ask questions about whatever the fuck OP means--I just put him on ignore.  This thread is obviously an attempt to earn merit by creating a thread with a fairly lengthy post, except it's a post that's pure frontier gibberish (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ke5Mr5eCF2U).

I think real life is a bit different with gambling, you have the choices to not lose anything even if you play compared to gambling where it's only a win or a lose and sometimes a draw if you were to play but in life, you have ways to play it all out, you can find a way to win if you look hard enough.

I don't agree with the word "lost", when we fight for something, we put all our abilities and sincerely we give everything for something that we will eventually get. maybe it would be more correct if we say, we invest what we have to gain more.

Is this clearly just greed? even as ideal as it may be, you go through losses without looking back at what you should have sacrificed to get various benefits. If you only make a strategy to win over and over again then what learning do you get when you lose a few dollars?

Everyone will suffer a loss at the right time. Because part of the profit, there is a pile of losses that were once a burden.

But losing something can equally make someone to take a precaution measure of profit, actually in normal sense mistake always makes someone to pickup a correction, i think what op is trying to explain or teach us in null share is that lose make people to be conscious, active and inquisitive to avoid incoming errors, so at times lost help to redirect or educate person wisely.

This losses will help us strive more, Winning is not always going to happen, most of the time it's losses. If we can’t handle the loss how we will be able to handle the winnings that may come our way. Those winning can give us more profit if we know how to to use it wisely to retrieve all the losses we did. It will be nice if we started to know early how to avoid losses early to minimize the losses we can but we should not give up if ever losses keep coming, find the reason why it keeps going and solve it till you find a strategy that can lead to winning.

What is meant is that one should take care for the things they already own and learn how to use them to make more.
No, a common mistake by the current generation. Your aim in life is to be a good human being.

Losing is a part of gaining. If you never lose then you are not taking a risk. Failures are a part of life. Start looking at them as life lessons/turning points.

If you remain infatuated about gains, you will likely lose your sanity over those things. The world is much more than just your gains. Being able to use your money to get more money is a good thing an that is what everyone is doing but that should not make for forget the little things in life that make it all the more beautiful.

In the context of life, pain is important because it teaches you a lot.

In the process of achieving our goal, there are really tendencies that we have to sacrifice some things in order to get what we want and to be where we want to be. It's just a matter of priority. What weighs more than the other, we have to let go to grip the other. Although we can still gain without having to lose anything by planning strategically to mitigate losses of assets and funds and of course, by having the privilege of achieving things without the need to sacrifice anything we have. Some people are lucky enough to gain without losing, while others have it tough before they manage to gain anything and both are fine as long as acquired with integrity.

actually it is the HOLDING that answers this all, instead of trading or short term why not just Buy and keep holding? stop being greedy and stupidly ask for faster income that msotly drives us to losing more.
buy your coin and keep them long .
this is the safest and the understanding will come eventually .

You make an excellent point, but some people prefer to take more risks than simply holding. Holding carries a risk as well, but trading carries a higher risk. People want to make more money while also learning. The best part about trading is that you get to choose when you want to set your target and your stop loss. In other words, you have the most control. Earning money is not as simple as sitting on the couch all day; you must put forth some effort. There is nothing wrong with either; it is simply a matter of personal preference.

I think its normal to have losses at first before you end up gaining, than just gaining profits all the time and when you happen to lose, you'll definitely lose everything you have. Although its a matter of priority, but i must say there are no sweet profits if you have not experience losses along the way.

Maybe all of us here have been losing a couple of times and i believe that will be very impossible if you always come up winning without losing even once. Because life is just about losing and winning, you just have to balance it out.

It depends on what you mean by lose. Is it losing to others in a competition (which is basically what happens in nature to competitors that are probably not well prepared), or is it misplacing your things probably due to mistakes, accidents, carelessness etc?
I think life is full of competition which is necessary to encourage us to do well and be better. So, in a competition, losing could also help people know what to improve about themselves and do better next time. Besides, it's not easy to win all the time. I wonder if there is anyone on earth who has won 100% of the time. But Ofcourse, it's important to be the best in all the good things we do.

That is the way I see things in life: it takes bad for you to appreciate what is good. I am not trying to say that bad thing must happen to you, but if there isn't a bitter taste then there wouldn't be a sweet taste. That’s just how life is, you’re able to appreciate the fact that you’re making gains because there is what we call loss. With that said, you have to be careful when you’re trading, sometimes it’s best to sell and hold your profit when the market is going down and you can reinvest later when it seems to have reached the lowest point.

I believe that most of the people here cryptocurrency trading is not the only thing that we are all into, we have other things that we are doing apart from trading, you can try invest in other things you do and build your wealth too.

Losing is inevitable and this should really be put up on someones mind but somewhat can really be lessen those losses if you do all sorts of things on suppressing the risk via experience and knowledge.
We are living on this world on having the aim on making ourselves rich and live out a life that wont really be having problems towards finances and this is why we are here on this market
or any investment platforms or something like that and its just normal that we do really lose up but what matter most here is that you do really able to sustain into this market.

I think that this whole idea actually makes somewhat sense in a way, because if you think about it if you do anything in this world in order to gain something you need to make some sacrifices, if you want to make money you have to give money, if you want to learn you have to give time, if you want to to do anything you need to give something in return in some shape or form, but keep in minds they we have something a resource that we need to manage is time, because we don't know how much we got and therefore we need to manage it to the best we can.

Please, do not use capital letters, is quite distasteful. I will just ignore your comment about the Bible - is not a self-help book nor a real guide for life, it is just a faith book.

Anyway, life is not about winning or improving or anything else... unless you want it to be about that. All that chatter about "rules of play" just for asking "should I take a risk?" which anyway can only have one answer "it depends".

No need for such a dramatic and lengthy post for your concern.

If you have an active investment, whatever it is, just focus on your goal to make it successful and try to deal with any distractions, problems, struggles, etc. that you will encounter while on progress. That's the challenge there. You don't need to put lots of concerns in your mind that can affect your decision.

Just be comfortable and relax while working your way up.

Life is all about losing and winning. When you lose, you give chances for others to win. Just like you win, because others are losing. So these two have became reciprocal. And while we keep on dreaming to keep on making profits, losses have become more inevitable. And once you know how to deal and manage losses, then winnings might probably next to it. In the end, what we have in this world are not just losing and winning all the time, most of the time survival comes first in priority.

There may be losses when you do anything. Sometimes loss is another way to gain. After losing, you can learn more from it.
When there is a loss, we can find the reason for the failure and learn from the lesson, accumulate more experience and find a suitable strategy to deal with the next thing. After experiencing failure, it is easier to obtain success and more benefits.

There is a Rockefeller phrase/quotes that says "who work long do not time to make money off of your hard work"

They are thoughts that adapt to specific non-general situations and have a lot of interpretation, even in your approach you have to know how to interpret. In any case, if your goal is to save! work, if your goal is to make money! Invest, it is simple, the important thing is to obtain a profit based on the indisputable and inevitable "profit-loss," maybe if you work a lot your losses will always be zero, it is not bad, on the contrary it is the way of the great majority.

^{Please do not capitalize the entire title, thank you.}

Failure is part of humanity that's why the more you fail the more success you will have. In crypto experience is the best teacher hence it will give more confidence in the future of your doings and this will add to your self conscious not to fail anymore. Crypto might me a volatile but it won't stop us to venture on it and in fact the more the risk the higher the reward in return. So keep the good faith and finish the race.

I believe that if you do them both, that would allow you to have a chance to have a decent life, but without building something there is rarely ever any chance to get rich. You need to either come from family that has wealth, even if little, or you need to build something. There is no scenario where you can make billions of dollars by just working hard, saving money and investing it.

Rockefeller himself comes from a scam artist family, his father was a famous con artist, so do not believe a word he says because saving and investing will not make you wealthy. Do you know one of the methods standard oil made a profit? They would open up a station somewhere close to competition, drop the prices to insanely low levels, make a huge loss, wait out the competition to bankrupt, then offer to buy them out and then they would spike the prices up to even higher prices than it was originally to make up the difference.

Just build something that helps people, look at google, their creators are rich as hell but nobody hates them, why? Because they are both helping the world be a better place, while also paying their workers a good amount, and even tries to make their workers happy as well.

Every people wants to gain something but they can not always have a big expectation to gain whatever they want because, in this life, there will be up and down for all people. You can try hard, but still, the result will be between on that, up and down. Maybe this day, you can gain, but not for tomorrow. If you want to gain more, you need to keep hard work and no matter if you lose today, you will gain in the next days. As long as you do not give up and keep trying, I believe that the process will not lie to you and you will get a good result in the future.

Life cannot be smooth sailing, there will always be times of failure. Failure is the mother of success. If you experience failure, you will find the reasons and accumulate more experience. Then learn the lessons and learn more knowledge, the chances of success will be greater.
Especially in the crypto market, when you have more crypto knowledge and experience, investment and trading will be easier to succeed, and it will be easier to get high profits from it.

Hi,

Coincidentally what I ask in my post you do in your answer, do not generalize, having quoted Rockefeller does not make me his follower nor does it put me in all its historical context, it is a counterpoint to the OP, that simple but I can still repeat it, in certain thoughts or ideas one cannot generalize, particular ideas such as those expressed by the OP and by Rockefeller himself cannot be generalized, they are circumstantial.

What you mention has another context and it leaves my general idea out in reference to it, I cannot tell you anything, it is another Topic.

After entering the crypto market, many of my previous ideas were subverted. Although I sometimes fail to invest, I also gain experience and knowledge. The goal of entering the market has not been achieved, but it has brought experience for future investment success.

I don’t think op’s point of view. We are only working hard for the things we want to achieve at the beginning, and we pay in order to be able to accomplish them. We sacrifice some things appropriately to achieve our goals, indicating that gains are relatively more important for the lost.

Instead of you to lose what you have gotten so far it is best that you sell the coin and withdraw the profit you have made. There are other things you can do with the money, I believe that we all have other plans that we are into, like businesses that we do, you can as well invest in those other businesses that you’re doing to help your future. I invest in bitcoin, but it is not the only thing that I am doing, I have so many other things that I am doing to be able to handle the responsibilities that I have. So, when you are investing in bitcoin it is not like you’re going to hold it forever, once you have been able to make a good enough profit, you can sell and wait for another time to buy again.

This is related to mindset and mentality.

I want to comment a little on that.

Mentally rich people have a definite goal, to win a competition. They have high ambitions to be number one. They are not easily discouraged and try many ways to win a competition in terms of business and work.

if you mean so, then you are a person who has a successful mental (rich).

But you have to remember, feeling satisfied with all the achievements is a disaster.

If you don't have people who's more knowledgeable to guide you about what things are needed to do and to avoid then for sure expecting to lose something and gain from that experience is somehow expected for newbies especially if you are not resourceful about those open information we can search here in this forum.

But if you are hard working to search those information's and experience of other people then provably you will not lose a lot of money and can able to learn the flaws or techniques to help you up to do a good trades.

This is the reason why you must have a risk-management before engaging yourself in a risky investment. Remember, it's not always a win-win situation to whatever you were doing but if you never experience losses on your journey, you'll never grow and improve yourself. Losing is inevitable but always treat such a thing as an opportunity to craft the best version of yourself. If you win=you gain and if you lose= you learn.

This is a good life principle for success, most people don't want to learn from experience, when they lose they immediately leave crypto, maybe if we are patient then all of the messages above can work on.

According the title, i think we have options to keep what we have and don't need to lose some to gain some. For example, there are a lot of ways to earning in crypto without risking our money as long we have skill or maybe we can offer something to other people, or maybe picking up some coins that not have big risk because sometimes people can know which coins is good or not as investment. We have all that choice, it is all depends on us for what we do for living.

Looking back a little bit of the better moments of my investing career are the moments where I lost some money just to learn what it was worth it was like gambling, people try and get it back. their money. but will is good if we start early knowing how to avoid losses to minimize possible losses but we should not give up if losses keep happening. So always try to keep going and learn a lot from those losses.

Many people will lose something, learn a lesson, accumulate experience and profit from it. But we don't have to choose to lose for the sake of gain, we can first learn knowledge to find the appropriate method and strategy to minimize the loss.

I think the most important thing is to understand your tolerance. Before investing, the most important thing to consider is not how much money you want to make, but how much money you can lose. To ensure investment in risk industries, you must be able to afford to lose spare money, but not lose the money to be used in the near future. In addition, you don't have a clear understanding of the investment project. No matter how well others say, don't get involved easily. You know, there will be no pie in the sky. If there is, why should others give it to you?

This forum thread seems to be more philosophical rather than related to economy,finance or the cryptocurrency world.
What do you mean by "to gain more"?Do you mean gaining more money and material possessions?
I don't think that this will make you happy.You should make more money by working something that you love.
I also don't think that gaining more money should be our main goal in our life.Money are important for sure,but gaining wisdom,knowledge and experience is what we should aim for.
Gaining more and losing what you've got shouldn't be a contradiction.You could gain more and keep what you already have.

The topic of gain and loss is too heavy, as jrrsparkles said you don’t need to choose only to gain and lose. Maybe at some point you have to lose something to gain something else. My investment was unsuccessful and I was facing a loss. I chose to invest my funds in Bitcoin in time. Did I lose something? I did lose money, but I got the possibility of earning more on Bitcoin. Everything is based on your own choice.