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I come from a country excluded for betfair. I am irritated by betfair brokers, it's not the same. There is no worthy alternative for them. Why has no one built something similar, based e.g. on BTC? Isn't it a profitable business? Is it worth it to ban an account from an allowed country? I have doubts, most of it is probably a scam, and after some time it can be blocked anyway.

How long have you been on a gambling site (betfair).

You have a problem and you are annoyed with their site, that's normal in gambling but why not ask via PM to: @Betfair (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=172703), in person.

However I see there is one thread about Betfair here: Topic: Is there a "betfair" for bitcoin up and running yet? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5110069.0), but i see that thread is not updated since 2020.

Honestly, I personally don't understand 100% how the betfair gambling site and mix trading work, maybe some of the information above can add a little new information for you.

Do you mean to say from restricted countries? Are you and other gamblers from those regions more important than the problems they will encounter if they will allow? It's not that they do not want to accommodate you but they could be shut down since they will be in violation of the terms given by their license provider.

Can you bypass the restrictions through VPN, pretty sure that you can probably find a workaround to help you with your problem, find solutions first before ranting about stuff, it won't get you anywhere.

Using clones of Betfair van work, but for sure they will not have the same reputation as Belfair. Hiding with VPN might get you into trouble as well.
Why not try some other exchanges?  That are not related to Betfair and have their own API.

Why would you use Bitfair when you have Sportsbet.io, Stake and Fortunejack for betting on everything and they are very good, active in forum and they accept Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies?
I don't know what country you live but you should be able to use those website in most countries or try using vpn service.

This does not seem like a good idea, I know that some people do this with the cryptocurrency casinos, but sites like betfair are probably going to be very strict on the application of their policies and since they are so big they probably have a lot more resources than the average bitcoin casino to dedicate to the observance of those rules.

Besides even if you could evade detection how could you get your money out of the platform? As at some point you will need to go through KYC and they will then know what you are doing.

^ From this line, why you will keep chasing them and use them even though your country was excluded by them?
It is very risky to use PVN or any tools that you can bypass that restriction and probably it is a good time to let them go and find a better booker aside from them, there are too many here in the forum that running their business fairly and did not restrict others. But in the last line is not the same, what do you mean by that? or do they use a clone website?

IMO, about the restriction country is kinda confuse. Some people will say is based on the regulation of licenses, company, and provider but sometimes there has some different restricted between other casinos. For example, on "CHIPS.GG" my county not got limited for slot Push Gaming, Relax Gaming, and others but on most other casinos. This case, you can't really do so much because is based law and regulation of the casino & provider.

Same thoughts on why you would really be pushing up yourself on using up the platform if its really prohibited or excluding your country because using up VPN would just simply be that risky once you get caught.

There are lots of bookies out there which isnt only limited into this site on where you could make use of.Of course when it comes to laws and regulations then it would really vary into each provider or something like that.

It is just understandable on how those exclusions do works and theres nothing w can do about it.

It's profitable but it's incredibly hard to set up in general and to deal with all the regulations in this field.

A lot of the crypto sportsbooks (fortunejack, Stake, sportsbet, nitro) offer a lot of the markets covered by Betfair though.

Is there a particular reason why you don't want to use crypto based sportsbooks? Are you looking for fiat solutions only?

Little confused over here. Did they ban your account after your country was added to the restricted list or was your country already on the restriction list but you somehow found a way to bypass the ban? Casinos cannot provide their services to all countries due to different laws and regulation of different countries. You are from a country where your government won't allow you to play on their casino. So you can't blame the casino over here. You probably got banned because the casino noticed that you are playing from a country where they do not provide their services. You broke their ToS, so they have the right to ban your account.

Is there other angle you can find that your account was ban, like multi accounting or something? I don't think it's a probable reason to ban an account from a country that isn't excluded from the list of countries. What was the message from Betfair notifying about this ban, maybe you could be more specific in that matter and maybe move this on reputation or scam accusation board as well, it's more appropriate there.

Have you taken a look at BTC betting exchanges like Fairlay?

Whilst I agree that Betfair is definitely a great service, it's not the only fish in the ocean.

Take a look at both centralized sportsbooks like Nitrogenbet/Sportsbet.io etc. as well as Fairlay - and I'm pretty certain that there is actually a few decentralized betting markets (that don't have much liquidity within them) hosted on blockchain as well.

definitely agree here. who knows the OP might see other betting exchanges as better than betfair? with his country's exclusion from betfair, he has no choice but look for other sites. with several reputable sportsbooks/casinos here other than btc betting exchange like fairlay, he may find out that some of these casinos can actually serve what he's looking for.

Aside from Fairlay there's also this list of sportsbook and exchanges including reviews from other sports bettors (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=717790.0).

As of now there's really no good crypto betting exchange that could compete against betfair but still there's a few good ones that's available.

That's up to you, if i'm in that situation I wouldn't take the risk unless I couldn't find the market I prefer betting on.

Too bad that you can't use their site even if you use a VPN, is there like some site that you can use to be an alternative for Betfair or at the least are you looking for one though? Because you're probably going to adapt to the situation since you don't want to stop gambling.

Betfair may be a desirable gambling platform to play on for you but if your region is restricted then you should forget about it and move on to reputable gambling sites without restriction, if you use a VPN you will still run into trouble in the long run. It's better to stay away than risking your account and funds by bypassing restrictions with the help of a VPN.

At least, he can ask the support system if their site allows using VPN and will not have a problem cash out the win money if he wins. By doing that, he can get the right answer from them to decide whether to use VPN or search for other reputable gambling sites. But move on to the other gambling site that does not require too many things will be better if he does not have any problems in the future. Many gambling sites are out there or from this forum so he does not have to feel difficult to search for the right site.

Let us not push ourself in this site when there are so many options we can use to gamble , we all here Hates KYC obligatory for creating account or even making withdrawal soon.
Just play if you think this is appropriate and deny if not simple as that.
there are tons of gambling site operating and in advertising here in forum in which proven to be legit and accurately responding to our desired situation and even promising us of how safe our funds in this community of gambling .

Fairlay and OneHash (who knows who owns them now) were the only two we had seen offering anything close.

The problem is liquidity, which was quite low as most people don't own anything other than bitcoin and MOST people would bet with fiat over bitcoin any day because only one has a limited supply

Nitrogen and Stake will offer decent odds betting with bitcoin and Fairlay does still have the "market maker" feature to bet on anything, it's just rare people bet there 

If you are from a restricted country,then how have you managed to use betfair?Did you use VPN?
I think that residential proxies are a better option than VPN,because the IPs from a VPN are usually blacklisted by most websites.You could find cheap residential proxies,but I don't remember the exact name of the platform.
Anyway,like other forum members said,at some point you will face KYC,so hiding your IP/location will be pointless.
If you have so many doubts about the betfair alternatives,then why don't you just quit sports betting.
Do you have a gambling addiction or something?

Terrible advice (before you rambled about OP quitting gambling?!?) because Betfair is regulated in multiple countries, meaning they CAN NOT allow VPN's

https://www.betfair.com/aboutUs/Regulatory.Information/#

The fines are hefty if they don't ensure KYC and location data of players, as well as avoid becoming a money laundering website for users....

Thank you for your advice and support. I can see that not everyone understands me. I used Betfair from 2010 to 2017 when the government imposed prohibitions. I have no problem gambling at all, just betfair was making me good profit. I have been using Betfair brokers since the ban, which is tiring in the long run. For more information, I am interested in the Betfair exchange as well as GeeksToy or Fairbot software. Of course I've been watching Fairlay etc for a while but haven't used them yet. I fear that my account will be restricted by stakes, there was no such problem at Betfair. I greet you warmly.

Orbit Exchange is probably what you are looking for. Orbit is available through brokers such as Betinasia.

i also suggest Orbit Exchange via BetinAsia or bet-footbal
or new solution from Sportmarket called Traderplace. Which is full clone of betfair exchange

crypto alternatives are no solution at the moment in my opinion. Lack of liquidity and user are one problem, and the offer of Games/leagues are a problem at the moment.

Here in forum one solutions seems nice, but has same problems at the moment. maybe in future they will improve (exbet.io)

Most crypto sportsbooks are probably able to help you?

Fairlay, OneHash are probably the ones that I would go with that would resemble Betfair the most.

You could try to "buy" Betfair accounts but at the same time that comes with a huge risk that I wouldn't be willing to take, given that it's a direct opposition of the Terms and Conditions.

Everything has been clearly stated in their Terms and Conditions and you can read the T&C here:
https://www.betfair.com/en/aboutUs/Terms.and.Conditions/

They have clearly said about who can have an account there and will be able to play gambling or betting there.

A gambling site has its own right to do such T&C, moreover related to a country restriction. Commonly it is not based on they don't want to accept you because they don't want, but they only obey such regulations, and if they break the regulation by allowing such suers from restricted countries to join in their platform, they will probably get punsihment. And will they risk themselves to this only for several small suers? No.

I use orbits through betinasia and I think it's for the best. Sportmarket did not want to give me an account to betfair at one time, and I do not see this traderplace with support at all, I have not disposed of it yet. And even Onehash is blocked for me :(

That ok if the site support gives go-ahead for the use of VPN, my fear is if the site will allow VPN them what is the motive of setting restrictions in place. Why I said so is because of my experience my account got ban for using VPN despite the support clearing me to use it.

But why try to beat the restrictions with a VPN and risk getting caught one day. Why not stay away from site that does not include your country. There must be a reason for such an action and you should avoid them. Look for alternative gambling sites and I know there are several of them with similar games where you can play too. It is best to avoid the stress from the beginning.

What I am worried if when the support sites allow using VPN when we win and want to withdraw the money, they will ask to do KYC, no matter how much they win money. That is a bit scary, you know, that will not be okay if they do that because they do not tell us that we must verify our account to withdraw the money. Hopefully, that is not happening in any gambling site and it is better to explain in the beginning than we should face that problem in the future.

I think OP tries to stay with Betfair because Betfair has the largest sport exchange market.
Most of the crypto casinos don't offer exchange services.
One of the reason Betfair and other UK based sportsbooks are not offering crypto deposit/withdraw is because UKGC has a tight regulation on AML.
There have been some casinos tried to do that but actually got sanction in the end, so I don't think Betfair will add crypto anytime soon unless there's a huge change on the circumstance.

Betfair excludes customers by country of residence, not country of citizen.
Which means, if you're a citizen of one of the excluded countries, you're still allowed to use your ID to open an account if you're reside in another country which is not excluded.
So some people will choose to use VPN to bypass the restriction, but you must choose a VPN that's not blacklisted yet.
Betfair has blacklisted most of the mainstream VPNs, even if you're able to open an account, it will be closed very soon.
Betfair has been very difficult to play with since they joined Stars group, they have and is closing lots of accounts and there are lots of complaints against them.

Exchanges need liquidity, otherwise it just does not work.

To think that a crypto based sports exchange could get anywhere near enough liquidity to make it viable is ridiculous. For the time being, anyway.

I see a lot of people suggesting that OP should use VPN services to bypass the "region restrictions" ... but that is also not allowed and clearly stated in most online casinos ToS. If the casino find out that OP have been circumventing their region restrictions, with VPNs.....his account will be locked and he will have to forfeit his balance.

Yes, some casinos conveniently look the other way when you use a VPN, but when you win something big and you want to withdraw it, then suddenly the bypassing of the VPN becomes an issue.  ::)

Also, if your country have an issue with online gambling and you win something big.... then you will have to explain it to the tax authorities ...and you might get huge fines or even jail time.  :(

I'm currently experiencing the same thing, but with the risk involved, I decided to switch to another site and let a few small dollars sink in there. I initially tried to use a VPN and it wasn't good at all just because for the sake of playing there I broke the rules. I realized that at that time I was just trying to be as effective as playing at Betfair. Now I am more concerned about security in the future and enter a gambling site that allows our country to gamble.

With Betfair, even if they caught you using VPN, most of the time they don't even care unless you're a risk to them.
Even if they decided to close your account, most likely they will just return the balance to you and close the account.
If they close your account and confiscate your balance simply because you're using VPN, they might get into trouble with UKGC.

Why not try to use another platform where using vpn is not restricted and you can withdraw your funds without going through KYC or maybe depends on the site. If you continue using the same platform but you will need VPN to gamble and once you win, you can never get your money since where you from is restricted in their platform. Letting you gamble withoit doing something could get them in trouble.

He wants to use sport exchange and Betfair has largest exchange platform.
That's why he wants to stick with Betfair.

Exactly, it is not a good idea for we know that the regulation is not only for him and Betfair may not only focus on one player. Moreover, if it relates to Terms and Conditions including the regulations.
I actually feel surprised why he must impose. Yes even though Betfair is a big site but it does not mean it must impose mainly because it is indeed related to T & C.
There are still many choices. If there are some easier sites, why should be on the site that exactly doesn't allow him  ;D

If that is related to our country's rule, maybe it will be okay for now, but not sure in the future because the government can change their rule easily and the casino will change the rule too. Sometimes I use VPN and so far, I do not have a problem because I do not gamble for money. If I break the rule incidentally, I only use small money on the site so if that money is lost, and I do not mind. Talking about security, we need to protect the account, especially when we have some balance.

It's up to op now if staying on the same platform or find another platform that is trusted, reputable and same as what op want to gamble. I wouldn't want to use betfair if your country is not allowed to gamble in the platform as when you win big time if ever you got in with/without using VPN then withdrawal won't ever happen. In other words, you just gambled illegally if you call it that way.

This is pointless, no casino website is going to accept that a user that lives in a country on their restricted list uses their services from the very same country while using a VPN to mask where they are, this goes against the TOS of most casinos, and even if they do not have it included yet the moment you ask something like this they will add it as it is illogical for them to allow this when they will probably suffer penalties because of this that are greater than any money the gambler could bring.

So while I understand why being restricted by betfair can be troublesome at the same time the only options are to find another website where to make our bets or move to another country, something that is too extreme for something that is supposed to be our hobby.

It is just way too extreme or too desperate but if you do have the money to move then why not? Most of the time people will consider out on connecting through VPN instead of moving into other places
just for the sake of access.

Its understandable that some sites do really need to impose those restrictions due to regulation concern which had been set.For some cases its truly inevitable that there are users
who came from restricted countries would really be having some access.

There are still lots of options though if you are really looking for some entertainment.

I thought of this but I guess the OP might have tried it and it didn't work out. I had my VPN on recently and I logged in to a gambling site just to see that they blocked me from logging in, asking me to turn off the VPN. So, depending on the sensitivity of betfair, it may not work for him. But even if it does, a better suggestion is for OP to contact them officially and make enquiries as to what happened.

Because VPN are shit for using BetFair and other good bookmakers or exchange. If you want play on it find good Proxy, now is many providers of that, a little bit expensive than VPM but works nice. Or the best option when whos playing on phone is sim card.


If you want Betfair, you can looking my thread when I sold this account.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5358066.msg58054299#msg58054299

I think that it is a lot harder than you think to set up a gambling platform.

All the regulations etc. make it a complete headache.

So no, there isn't a 1:1 copy of Betfair that is available but you can get close to that if you use something like fairlay? But of course nowhere near the liquidity of Betfair.

You can always use VPN to access the site but the problem is that, you might be kicked out if Betfair ever notice you and your account might get ban. Maybe you can try other gambling sites like Betfair to make your bettings that will allow access from your country. They will llways know when you use VPN but might decide to leave you for a while before banning your account which is risky.

I said again, VPN are shit for using BetFair and other good bookmakers or exchange. If you want play on it find good Proxy, now is many providers of that, a little bit expensive than VPM but works nice. Or the best option when whos playing on phone is sim card.

I'm playing on 2 different countries without problem, but I have good proxy and 2 different devices.

What does proxy or vpn help?

If you are from a banned country and cannot prove your residential address is NOT in the banned country (prove with documents and/or even receiving a phone call on a land line in the country) then your access to the exchange stays blocked.

Betfair has strict KYC so I dont know why the discussion here must be 3 sites long.

VPN is 0 ( ZERO ) help accessing betfair. I know that from personal experience.

I don't think using VPN without asking their support or any related staffs of Betfair is a good idea. Most casinos do not want their users to use VPN without them being informed about it. I also use VPN on almost every casino that I'm playing, however my case is they know that I am using it because I asked them if it is okay to use VPN.
Yeah it's a nice choice just to move to other casino, but it seems that he like Betfair much, and has very low trust on other casinos.

This. Every gambling users should be responsible to read their terms, if the country is banned by the site, then you should not force to use them coz it will only create a big problem in the future when the site required personal information for kyc verification.

There are lots of users here posting sh*ts and complaining when this scenario happens to them (accessing the site even their place/country is banned from using the site) probably when they're trying to withdraw the funds.

Trying to withdraw the funds and forgot to read their ToS, the common prob of gamblers. Because most casinos will just accept any user even if they are included in the banned list. Only few casinos will not let you in if you are from prohibited countries. So if you don't want your hard-earned money to get wasted, better start reading the ToS of every casino you want to play with. It is not the fault of the casino if you violated their terms and your account is frozen. And you will cry scam. Not fair also for them.

Don't you think this is unacceptable and the gambling platform would not want to put there self into trouble when they have already specify there restriction from countries they think do not accept there activities. Writing them is just like you want to pull there legs when restriction had already been placed.
This option is absurd and would not be accepted so there is no need of asking.

I know that mixercasino dot com is not region blocked or geo-fenced. They accept BTC, ETH and 0xMR tokens and include a free privacy mixer. I think LNOcasino club isn't region blocked either and they support a large variety of cryptos.

Exactly, even if a person could get around the geographical restrictions imposed by a website, in this case betfair, what is going to happen when they have to verify their identity?

Are they going to fake that too? Because I am pretty sure that is a crime almost everywhere, and even then how do they get their money? Simply put it is better to avoid all that trouble, and if the casino that you want to use does have a restriction that does not let you play then just find another casino and be done with it.

While VPN is a useful thing to access casino websites because of imposed restrictions, I don't think using VPN is a good idea. Websites have their own terms and conditions and most of the time, casino sites don't really permit the usage of VPN. I suggest you read everything that is written in the terms of service of the site before doing anything to assure that you won't be get in trouble later on. If using a VPN isn't counted as an illegal activity, then you can browse for different options of VPNs that would suit your preferences. Otherwise, just don't try it because you might get caught and be punished and fined because some countries have laws regarding that matter.

If a trouble continue to persists, then you better just move on and find another casino that would cater your needs. You see, there are some problems that casinos encounter and most of the time their resolution is to impose banning so that their company's welfare won't be compromised with the protocols set by the state.

Yes, this one could be a decent alternative for crypto enthusiasts seeking for a betting exchange, but as I see exbet.io lacks efficient marketing and being active here on the forum. Last time they appeared on their official thread was September 14, more than 2 months ago already. Exbet is LIVE >> The Bitcoin Betting Exchange [exbet.io] (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5187610.0)

Many gamblers aren't familiar with this gambling category yet or don't see a benefit in leaving the bookmaker to bet person to person, and that may represent a big obstacle when trying to increase liquidity on such platforms. Anyway I appreciate their effort in trying to bring betting exchanges to crypto universe.

I think that if you are going to use the platform through VPN and you want to spend time and fun with it, I recommend that you write to support, raise your case to see if they can make any exceptions, maybe they can make a special case with you if you intend to stay on the site, it can guarantee you some benefits or maybe not, but it is necessary to speak, on some occasions I have had to make such requests, and some have made exceptions, on other sites not, it all depends on their policies and to what extent they can be permissive.

Read our blog post "How use BetFair from anywhere":

https://gamblingfreebies.com/2020/12/23/how-to-use-betfair-from-anywhere/

You wouldnt really mind much when it comes on telling or asking on the support unless if you do put up big funds then this is where you should be in concern but for the sake of entertainment or seeking out  some fun then i dont see it for most people to do such thing but instead
accessing on sites directly neither on direct or with using some VPN which is really a very common behavior.
If you do like to ask then go ahead.

Well, if it is large amounts everything changes, obviously when we have a large amount of money what we choose is not to risk putting it in a casino where our location does not allow us to use it, even if we like the casino a lot. , our money is more important, because in reality by not playing in the casino, the ones who lose are the casinos. Writing in support is just a small suggestion

Each country does have its own laws and regulations and if a certain platform or business would enter then it is really just normal for them to abide those laws

specially into its users and its normal that they would banned out into those users who do tend to make use of VPN which is really very common.

We do have lots of options actually and i dont know on why they do love to play despite of the issue about locations.

Advising the op to use VPN may not be the best advice as the use of VPN may be prohibited by the admin of the site and that could result in a ban of the account in the future which will end up in a loss for the user.

Unfortunately, in this situation, VPN or changing proxies seems to be the only solution to bypass this blockade.
If you are not sure if the use of VPN is tolerated, then to avoid any problems it is best to write to the support in advance, ask about it and just install the VPN after receiving confirmation.

VPN are not acceptable on many gambling site but yeah contact them to confirm so you wont face any problem later on especially if you really want to spend your money on that site. Is this the only option available in your place? I guess there could be other options which you don’t need to use VPN, better to look for that option. Crypto gambling site are growing, there’s a lot of options now.

I'm also from a country that is exempt for betfair, and I think the same as you. But if the access to play is rejected and uses a VPN, is it even dangerous for us?

Unfortunately yes. Betfair is also not available from my country. However, it was enough to open the website through the Opera browser, which has a built-in VPN. Unfortunately, I am still not sure if this is allowed, so I haven't made a deposit yet.

The bets thing to do in this situation both of you and OP, is to directly contact and inquire to the management of Betfair. It is also good to read the TOS, then afterwards converse with the management and let them know of your situation, and perhaps asks if there’s a possibility for you guys to be pardoned by such rule. By doing so, you can have the assurance that it will be safe for you to play and deposit in the site without the fear of getting caught or banned.