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Title: Solana had a big network fail recently - why decentralization matters
Post by: Billo_ on October 02, 2021, 01:53:33 AM
How Solana Blockchain failed!

If you have followed Altcoins news, you have heard of Solana network fail for sure.
It was a few weeks ago, where really nobody could sucessfully receive a transaction of Solana coins.

It was impossible for hours to do any transaction of Solana coins at all what it an huge issue, if your really need to SEND some coins but it doesn't work.

Solana devs needed to adjust Solana Blockchain manually (which is very risky to compromise data and security) and after some time people could access Solana Blockchain again.
But now imagine, if a person goes to Solana office or Xi Jin Ping orders Solana to delete all Solana coins. Solana developers could access it and because it is centralized, all people will suffer.

For a famous crypto currency, it is worst case! Solana price was very lucky for such a massive fail to be not much devalued because Solana had just proven it is not credible as a good coin.
It was very disappointing how Solana had failed.

What coin should we choose instead?

We should choose proven, decentralized coins, where experts have verified Blockchain technology and decentralisation is proven already. Examples are like Bitcoin (existent for 12 years now and works every time as a decentralized coin), Ethereum (works now for 6 years and has earned place 2 behind Bitcoin), Tezos (it's a swiss coin, has created a credible tech and is a number one choice for NFT) and Avalanche (it's created by an University professor of coding and Avalanche has already proven for large volumes)

If you use a proven coin, a loss is much more less probably. Experts always trust proven coins!


Title: Re: Solana had a big network fail recently - why decentralization matters
Post by: gwdf1 on October 02, 2021, 03:14:36 AM
How Solana Blockchain failed!

If you have followed Altcoins news, you have heard of Solana network fail for sure.
It was a few weeks ago, where really nobody could sucessfully receive a transaction of Solana coins.

It was impossible for hours to do any transaction of Solana coins at all what it an huge issue, if your really need to SEND some coins but it doesn't work.

Solana devs needed to adjust Solana Blockchain manually (which is very risky to compromise data and security) and after some time people could access Solana Blockchain again.
But now imagine, if a person goes to Solana office or Xi Jin Ping orders Solana to delete all Solana coins. Solana developers could access it and because it is centralized, all people will suffer.

For a famous crypto currency, it is worst case! Solana price was very lucky for such a massive fail to be not much devalued because Solana had just proven it is not credible as a good coin.
It was very disappointing how Solana had failed.

What coin should we choose instead?

We should choose proven, decentralized coins, where experts have verified Blockchain technology and decentralisation is proven already. Examples are like Bitcoin (existent for 12 years now and works every time as a decentralized coin), Ethereum (works now for 6 years and has earned place 2 behind Bitcoin), Tezos (it's a swiss coin, has created a credible tech and is a number one choice for NFT) and Avalanche (it's created by an University professor of coding and Avalanche has already proven for large volumes)

If you use a proven coin, a loss is much more less probably. Experts always trust proven coins!

You are right that if we are afraid of risks we should invest in mainstream proven coins, but actually, they will give us big profit in a long term, but I prefer diversify my capital between conservative fundamental currencies and buy some risky altcoins. This way losses from them can be covered by key part of capital and also I can earn more money as altcoins are more likely to give X than big currencies.


Title: Re: Solana had a big network fail recently - why decentralization matters
Post by: JeffBrad12 on October 02, 2021, 03:58:42 AM
If you use a proven coin, a loss is much more less probably. Experts always trust proven coins!
Agreed, This has been talked by so many people in the past but it seems like that SOL community was still defending it. People are still calling the centralized proven as decentralized exchange site. that's quite strange to see that if there was a blockchain was running by thousands of nodes are getting stopped instantly.

The decentralization is just a gimmick that used to get FOMO. This shows how centralized solana is. If the blockchain can be controlled by the dev and is that mean if majority of nodes were owned by the dev?
I think that some other blockchain like BSC and polygon were also having the same problem like SOL as well. It's pretty interesting to watch how long these centralized blockchains can survive.


Title: Re: Solana had a big network fail recently - why decentralization matters
Post by: hugeblack on October 02, 2021, 02:10:32 PM
We should choose proven, decentralized coins, where experts have verified Blockchain technology and decentralisation is proven already. Examples are like Bitcoin (existent for 12 years now and works every time as a decentralized coin), Ethereum (works now for 6 years and has earned place 2 behind Bitcoin), Tezos (it's a swiss coin, has created a credible tech and is a number one choice for NFT) and Avalanche (it's created by an University professor of coding and Avalanche has already proven for large volumes)
The length of the currency period should not be considered as proof that it is safe against double spending, but the hash-rate and other methods of proof of work should be relied upon.

Most of the altcoins are fast and provide instant confirmations because the blocks are empty, have low trading volumes and short periods between each block with large sizes.

There is also proof of stake which cannot be considered true cryptos if these currencies have low market caps.


Title: Re: Solana had a big network fail recently - why decentralization matters
Post by: Yogee on October 02, 2021, 04:05:30 PM
... Tezos (it's a swiss coin, has created a credible tech and is a number one choice for NFT)
 
They probably developed a great tech but I didn't know Tezos as the number one choce for NFT hehe. I didn't even know they have smart contracts hehe. A number one choice would also mean it's the most popular right?

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If you use a proven coin, a loss is much more less probably. Experts always trust proven coins!
What's a "proven coin"? What are the parameters? Length of existence? Then how about Doge?


Title: Re: Solana had a big network fail recently - why decentralization matters
Post by: Fesatmas on October 02, 2021, 04:20:49 PM
With so many projects that had thrown Solana's investors into a frenzy, this caused the network to crash and fail as you described above.

Suspicion began to arise and many games were being played to attract investors. even this was made fun of by the whales of the Solana project. Ever since Solana put out the project it's clear it's gotten more attention.


Title: Re: Solana had a big network fail recently - why decentralization matters
Post by: fuguebtc on October 02, 2021, 05:14:06 PM
I think some other blockchains like BSC and polygon have the same problem as SOL. I understand that this will affect the investment and the risk is very high so it should be considered before investing, but any Every blockchain has its advantages and disadvantages so I am sure that on the project side they will have a direction to correct these flaws. So we don't have to worry so relax.


Title: Re: Solana had a big network fail recently - why decentralization matters
Post by: poodle63 on October 04, 2021, 03:41:10 AM
I think some other blockchains like BSC and polygon have the same problem as SOL.
They were decentralized but it this was happening when SOL already adopted by multi hundreds million people in the world and this would be a disaster. The decentralization on the second layer solution and a new blockchain were just gimmick that created to attract people.

I understand that this will affect the investment and the risk is very high so it should be considered before investing, but any Every blockchain has its advantages and disadvantages so I am sure that on the project side they will have a direction to correct these flaws. So we don't have to worry so relax.
The blockchain has dis and advantages but this will be a critical thing. The decentralization must not be like that and this is serious problem. It's not just affect our investment but the trust to the platform as well.


Title: Re: Solana had a big network fail recently - why decentralization matters
Post by: Emitdama on October 04, 2021, 09:39:49 PM
What coin should we choose instead?

We should choose proven, decentralized coins, where experts have verified Blockchain technology and decentralisation is proven already. Examples are like Bitcoin (existent for 12 years now and works every time as a decentralized coin), Ethereum (works now for 6 years and has earned place 2 behind Bitcoin), Tezos (it's a swiss coin, has created a credible tech and is a number one choice for NFT) and Avalanche (it's created by an University professor of coding and Avalanche has already proven for large volumes)

If you use a proven coin, a loss is much more less probably. Experts always trust proven coins!
It is usually best for you to diversify your investment as an investor, that way you will be running less risk of one of them having any problem such as this. Centralized networks are a big risk, because anything can happen, even the central control units can become compromised and thereby leading to loss of data or such and affecting the users.

Another thing is that centralized networks can be an easy target for the government, they can decide to control it and it’s going to be easy for them to achieve. This is unlike the decentralized networks that can't be controlled in any way by the government because there are no central control units, the control is spread out to different computers around the world, having control over one does not give you any control over the network at all, because it is controlled by computers all around the world.


Title: Re: Solana had a big network fail recently - why decentralization matters
Post by: Bitstar_coin on October 05, 2021, 01:59:48 AM
As much as you are correct in your argument, people at this time are mostly looking to making profit than really be concerned about the centralise and decentralise nature of a coin, despite knowing this, the price of sol keeps achieving growth, probably maybe if the interest is for long term then this can be of concern.


Title: Re: Solana had a big network fail recently - why decentralization matters
Post by: towi078 on October 05, 2021, 03:11:34 AM
What amazes me is that, although Solana had problems that should have destroyed the trust of her community, it didn't seem to have much effect.  And I agree, in the end with an incident like that, it makes me personally feel that I have to be more careful in choosing coins to invest


Title: Re: Solana had a big network fail recently - why decentralization matters
Post by: Billo_ on October 07, 2021, 12:13:18 AM
If you use a proven coin, a loss is much more less probably. Experts always trust proven coins!
Agreed, This has been talked by so many people in the past but it seems like that SOL community was still defending it. People are still calling the centralized proven as decentralized exchange site. that's quite strange to see that if there was a blockchain was running by thousands of nodes are getting stopped instantly.
Yes, well said! It really needs some time for centralized projects to get exposed and we have seen so many Altcoin projects failing because only very few Altcoins of high technical quality will have success.
Many Altcoins are really only good in marketing and only few are good in tech.



... Tezos (it's a swiss coin, has created a credible tech and is a number one choice for NFT)
 
They probably developed a great tech but I didn't know Tezos as the number one choce for NFT hehe.
Tezos is leading currently for innovative NFTs but it cost Tezos a very high price for advertising. Ethereum has been leading previously before Tezos started to advertise.


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If you use a proven coin, a loss is much more less probably. Experts always trust proven coins!
What's a "proven coin"? What are the parameters? Length of existence? Then how about Doge?
A proven coin is coin who is already running and proven under load. Age can also be a requirement, modern tech and of course reputation from established computer scientist.



Title: Re: Solana had a big network fail recently - why decentralization matters
Post by: fadil46 on October 07, 2021, 01:30:09 AM
What amazes me is that, although Solana had problems that should have destroyed the trust of her community, it didn't seem to have much effect.  And I agree, in the end with an incident like that, it makes me personally feel that I have to be more careful in choosing coins to invest
Coins that have started to be strong from various sides will be very difficult to destroy like Solana who already has a community and also has the trust of investors, meaning Solana already has a lot of fans in this case so it is difficult to fall when there is a problem.


Title: Re: Solana had a big network fail recently - why decentralization matters
Post by: RussianEnglishTranslation on October 07, 2021, 04:40:22 AM
How Solana Blockchain failed!

If you have followed Altcoins news, you have heard of Solana network fail for sure.
It was a few weeks ago, where really nobody could sucessfully receive a transaction of Solana coins.

It was impossible for hours to do any transaction of Solana coins at all what it an huge issue, if your really need to SEND some coins but it doesn't work.

Solana devs needed to adjust Solana Blockchain manually (which is very risky to compromise data and security) and after some time people could access Solana Blockchain again.
But now imagine, if a person goes to Solana office or Xi Jin Ping orders Solana to delete all Solana coins. Solana developers could access it and because it is centralized, all people will suffer.

For a famous crypto currency, it is worst case! Solana price was very lucky for such a massive fail to be not much devalued because Solana had just proven it is not credible as a good coin.
It was very disappointing how Solana had failed.

What coin should we choose instead?

We should choose proven, decentralized coins, where experts have verified Blockchain technology and decentralisation is proven already. Examples are like Bitcoin (existent for 12 years now and works every time as a decentralized coin), Ethereum (works now for 6 years and has earned place 2 behind Bitcoin), Tezos (it's a swiss coin, has created a credible tech and is a number one choice for NFT) and Avalanche (it's created by an University professor of coding and Avalanche has already proven for large volumes)

If you use a proven coin, a loss is much more less probably. Experts always trust proven coins!
NEAR protocol is the best alternative to Solana as it is more decentralized, has faster block finality, and can scale to a higher tps with sharding.


Title: Re: Solana had a big network fail recently - why decentralization matters
Post by: Ucy on October 07, 2021, 10:47:58 AM
Well, I wish cryptocurrency developers always consider the worst case scenario when developing a cryptocurrency. Their works will be  tested to see how decentralized and safe they are. I just hope the tests do not affect people's assets. So, it's better to always choose True Cryptocurrency rather than false ones to avoid regretting in the future.

I sometimes think one of the main reasons some developers are careless is due to not considering the possibility of a future storm. Things should be built to survive the storm. Any form of centralization should be concerning to them.


Title: Re: Solana had a big network fail recently - why decentralization matters
Post by: Reid on October 07, 2021, 12:54:49 PM
I didn't know that happened. Thank you for the information.
I actually thought they are doing great but that's because I was just looking at the rankings. The value given can make you blind.

Looking deep about it had never crossed my mind since I stayed with cryptocurrencies that I traditionally used.
Proof of history combined with proof of stake. Wow, PoS is already confusing and they twist it more. Its nature is to provide DeFi but within it, is a centralized company. Is that right?


Title: Re: Solana had a big network fail recently - why decentralization matters
Post by: impulse709 on October 25, 2021, 11:30:24 PM
Solana suffered from high volatility after the network became flooded with transactions.It was because the Solana Mainnet Beta experienced a massive increase in transaction load, peaking at 400,000 TPS. These transactions flood the transaction processing queue, and the lack of prioritization of critical network messages causes the network to start branching. we can monitor : https://solscan.io/txs for transactions and status of Solana failure and major network problems.


Title: Re: Solana had a big network fail recently - why decentralization matters
Post by: Fundamentals Of on October 26, 2021, 03:24:05 AM
The news about the Solana network failing was quite popular. It was all around crypto news sites. What made the news big was not that there was a problem found in the network but that there was actually a central control in the hands of the Solana devs. This proved to be a big news because decentralization was a key feature in any successful cryptocurrency. Solana does not have it. But what made me wonder is Solana continued its soar upward despite it. It seemed the news about fake decentralization in the network didn't affect it. It continued to reach new ATH even. I guess Solana has a solid community behind its back.


Title: Re: Solana had a big network fail recently - why decentralization matters
Post by: coinzzzpro on October 26, 2021, 04:26:38 AM
How Solana Blockchain failed!

If you have followed Altcoins news, you have heard of Solana network fail for sure.
It was a few weeks ago, where really nobody could sucessfully receive a transaction of Solana coins.

It was impossible for hours to do any transaction of Solana coins at all what it an huge issue, if your really need to SEND some coins but it doesn't work.

Solana devs needed to adjust Solana Blockchain manually (which is very risky to compromise data and security) and after some time people could access Solana Blockchain again.
But now imagine, if a person goes to Solana office or Xi Jin Ping orders Solana to delete all Solana coins. Solana developers could access it and because it is centralized, all people will suffer.

For a famous crypto currency, it is worst case! Solana price was very lucky for such a massive fail to be not much devalued because Solana had just proven it is not credible as a good coin.
It was very disappointing how Solana had failed.

What coin should we choose instead?

We should choose proven, decentralized coins, where experts have verified Blockchain technology and decentralisation is proven already. Examples are like Bitcoin (existent for 12 years now and works every time as a decentralized coin), Ethereum (works now for 6 years and has earned place 2 behind Bitcoin), Tezos (it's a swiss coin, has created a credible tech and is a number one choice for NFT) and Avalanche (it's created by an University professor of coding and Avalanche has already proven for large volumes)

If you use a proven coin, a loss is much more less probably. Experts always trust proven coins!

You are right that if we are afraid of risks we should invest in mainstream proven coins, but actually, they will give us big profit in a long term, but I prefer diversify my capital between conservative fundamental currencies and buy some risky altcoins. This way losses from them can be covered by key part of capital and also I can earn more money as altcoins are more likely to give X than big currencies.


Absolutely!  That's exactly what I do: diversification 30% USD, 30% BTC and ETH and 40% altcoins, which can bring more profit than 60% of conservative coins. But what if everything goes badly? Then my 60% will preserve my capital. Solana is a great young project with a good market manager. It is overpriced by a factor of 100.


Title: Re: Solana had a big network fail recently - why decentralization matters
Post by: RussianEnglishTranslation on October 26, 2021, 07:50:56 AM
How Solana Blockchain failed!

If you have followed Altcoins news, you have heard of Solana network fail for sure.
It was a few weeks ago, where really nobody could sucessfully receive a transaction of Solana coins.

It was impossible for hours to do any transaction of Solana coins at all what it an huge issue, if your really need to SEND some coins but it doesn't work.

Solana devs needed to adjust Solana Blockchain manually (which is very risky to compromise data and security) and after some time people could access Solana Blockchain again.
But now imagine, if a person goes to Solana office or Xi Jin Ping orders Solana to delete all Solana coins. Solana developers could access it and because it is centralized, all people will suffer.

For a famous crypto currency, it is worst case! Solana price was very lucky for such a massive fail to be not much devalued because Solana had just proven it is not credible as a good coin.
It was very disappointing how Solana had failed.

What coin should we choose instead?

We should choose proven, decentralized coins, where experts have verified Blockchain technology and decentralisation is proven already. Examples are like Bitcoin (existent for 12 years now and works every time as a decentralized coin), Ethereum (works now for 6 years and has earned place 2 behind Bitcoin), Tezos (it's a swiss coin, has created a credible tech and is a number one choice for NFT) and Avalanche (it's created by an University professor of coding and Avalanche has already proven for large volumes)

If you use a proven coin, a loss is much more less probably. Experts always trust proven coins!
NEAR protocol is Solana's biggest competitor and it is technologically superior. Ref Finance is the AMM for NEAR and is particularly undervalued. OCT is an appchain platform on NEAR that competes with Polkadot.


Title: Re: Solana had a big network fail recently - why decentralization matters
Post by: otreza on October 26, 2021, 12:03:40 PM
Meanwhile, SOLONA updated ATH today. I could not find a link to the source of this news? I simply do not serve behind the project, because I was not involved in it.


Title: Re: Solana had a big network fail recently - why decentralization matters
Post by: GreatArkansas on October 26, 2021, 12:17:41 PM
Meanwhile, SOLONA updated ATH today. I could not find a link to the source of this news? I simply do not serve behind the project, because I was not involved in it.
This happened last month, Solana went down for about 17 hours. And they did some restart thing to get the Solana network started again.
It's kinda weird but it's not the reason why I will stop supporting the project, the project, community, and team behind Solana are the best and really good.

This article can help you for this Solana outage last month: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-09-16/solana-network-of-top-10-sol-token-applies-fixes-after-outage


Title: Re: Solana had a big network fail recently - why decentralization matters
Post by: masterrex on October 26, 2021, 01:20:42 PM
Solana suffered from high volatility after the network became flooded with transactions.It was because the Solana Mainnet Beta experienced a massive increase in transaction load, peaking at 400,000 TPS. These transactions flood the transaction processing queue, and the lack of prioritization of critical network messages causes the network to start branching. we can monitor : https://solscan.io/txs for transactions and status of Solana failure and major network problems.

IMO, I think it is a technical problem and I have no expertise about it but based on the information that you give the Solana Network was very congested at that time. meaning the system was flooded with more (400,000Tps) Just imagine it was a huge transaction in the queue that waiting to be processed correct me if im wrong, if the Network is not designed to handle that huge volume of transactions what can we expect? I can't find any hole in relation to decentralization/centralization it is a simple system glitch that needs to be improved and fixed so it's not an issue of decentralization/centralization which is portrayed by the OP. I believe that the Solana community is already enlightened about that glitch thats why instead of going down the SOL price achieve another ATH. 


Title: Re: Solana had a big network fail recently - why decentralization matters
Post by: otundebis on October 26, 2021, 02:28:26 PM
Decentralisation is the key to freedom,  that is why Solana can not be compare with ethereum and bitcoin in terms of how much decentralisation both ethereum and bitcoin have achieved. Decentralisation take time and input from the community.  Solana will continue to grow and expand and that will require high level of decentralisation if it is going to compete with ethereum and others!


Title: Re: Solana had a big network fail recently - why decentralization matters
Post by: triat on October 26, 2021, 03:10:38 PM
Solana suffered from high volatility after the network became flooded with transactions.It was because the Solana Mainnet Beta experienced a massive increase in transaction load, peaking at 400,000 TPS. These transactions flood the transaction processing queue, and the lack of prioritization of critical network messages causes the network to start branching. we can monitor : https://solscan.io/txs for transactions and status of Solana failure and major network problems.

IMO, I think it is a technical problem and I have no expertise about it but based on the information that you give the Solana Network was very congested at that time. meaning the system was flooded with more (400,000Tps) Just imagine it was a huge transaction in the queue that waiting to be processed correct me if im wrong, if the Network is not designed to handle that huge volume of transactions what can we expect? I can't find any hole in relation to decentralization/centralization it is a simple system glitch that needs to be improved and fixed so it's not an issue of decentralization/centralization which is portrayed by the OP. I believe that the Solana community is already enlightened about that glitch thats why instead of going down the SOL price achieve another ATH. 
these delays should not affect the price of Solana in any way, because everyone understands that there cannot be so many transactions every second regularly. This is someone testing the network, or ddos. But I don't think anyone can have enough money to do this.