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Title: The president of El Salvador just bout 420 BTC!
Post by: GamblersArea on October 28, 2021, 09:23:07 AM
Nayib Bukele the president of El Salvador (the first country to recognize BTC as legal tender) just announced this on Twitter.


https://i.imgur.com/3ymEiAs.png


Title: Re: The president of El Salvador just bout 420 BTC!
Post by: BlackHatCoiner on October 28, 2021, 09:31:47 AM
You can't really say this is a dictator, can you?

They bought 420 BTC, but I can't understand how they're so sure it'll go upwards. It's a whole country in the central America; their behavior seems like a teenager's who just learnt about the magic of Bitcoin in 2011 and bought bunch. I can't say Bitcoin is the least fluctuating asset at the moment and hence, the greatest investment strategy for a country.

Also, why would a dictator want to promote Bitcoin, a currency which is against their polity?


Title: Re: The president of El Salvador just bout 420 BTC!
Post by: DdmrDdmr on October 28, 2021, 09:59:30 AM
Not sure where the money is coming from to buy those BTCs. Not that it’s a massive amount, but I’m sure their citizens would like to have the BTCs properly sourced. The second comment on the Twitter screenshot suggest that, perhaps, they are selling-off part of the Trust’s USDs to purchase more BTCs (or it could be from another origin).

Regardless, withdrawing USD from the Trust fund as stated on the Tweet, even if the amount on the Trust stays stable in terms of its aggregate USD counter value, is seemingly wild. If BTC were to take a largish and sustained plunge, the Trust would be under founded, and then what? Pour more contributor’s USD into the fund?  Would that be Twitted too ? …


Title: Re: The president of El Salvador just bout 420 BTC!
Post by: Poker Player on October 28, 2021, 10:05:49 AM
You can't really say this is a dictator, can you?

I believe that we cannot tell whether he is a dictator or not only by judging his policies regarding Bitcoin.

I like his policy regarding Bitcoin, but when I read criticisms of him, I looked for information and there are several sources that point to him having an authoritarian tendency:

Bukele Speeds Up Moves Towards Authoritarianism in El Salvador (https://www.ipsnews.net/2021/09/bukele-speeds-moves-towards-authoritarianism-el-salvador/)

Meet Latin America’s First Millennial Dictator (https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/08/nayib-bukele-salvador-millenial-dictator-authoritarianism.html)

The U.S. can stop El Salvador’s slide to authoritarianism. Time to act. (https://www.hrw.org/news/2021/05/21/us-can-stop-el-salvadors-slide-authoritarianism-time-act)

Also, why would a dictator want to promote Bitcoin, a currency which is against their polity?

Why do you say that? El Salvador does not have its own currency, it cannot print massively, it has been working for a long time with the USD, and switching to Bitcoin is profitable for them. It has much more to gain than to lose, unlike the USA or the EU.


Title: Re: The president of El Salvador just bout 420 BTC!
Post by: aysg76 on October 28, 2021, 10:14:03 AM
Not sure where the money is coming from to buy those BTCs. Not that it’s a massive amount, but I’m sure their citizens would like to have the BTCs properly sourced. The second comment on the Twitter screenshot suggest that, perhaps, they are selling-off part of the Trust’s USDs to purchase more BTCs (or it could be from another origin).
They are seemingly pouring funds into bitcoin and most probably buying the every dip and that so with large amounts also.They now accumulated additional 420 bitcoins and now the total stand at 1120 bitcoins with 700 bought before this one.As per the reports :

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420 BTC is worth about $24.6 million. As previously mentioned, the purchase brings the country’s total amount of Bitcoin to 1,120 BTC, which is worth about $87.4 million USD. The country has an estimated average purchase price of just above $53,300. Bitcoin trades $58,990, down 3% as of the time of this writing.

They have spent $24.6 million for this one and bought 1120 Bitcoins in total with average of $53k so at average of $59.3 million which is also huge amount.

Regardless, withdrawing USD from the Trust fund as stated on the Tweet, even if the amount on the Trust stays stable in terms of its aggregate USD counter value, is seemingly wild. If BTC were to take a largish and sustained plunge, the Trust would be under founded, and then what? Pour more contributor’s USD into the fund?  Would that be Twitted too ? …
I think they have setup $150 million trust fund for Bitcoin and they explained it balancing with the profits like whenever they gain profits they cash out the withdrawal and the fund balance remains the same but yes you are right big tumble in prices could have adverse affect on it and they are familiar with it but the chances in long run are showing growth signs also besides they are into geo-thermal bitcoin mining also and have managed to have profits from that side also.They will most probably tweet about the good sides only and not the other ones like i have not seen any coverage for anti bitcoin campaign now or maybe media don't cares for them.So good aspects will shown publicly but the bad ones will be hidden under files.


Title: Re: The president of El Salvador just bout 420 BTC!
Post by: Zilon on October 28, 2021, 10:56:11 AM
You can't really say this is a dictator, can you?

They bought 420 BTC, but I can't understand how they're so sure it'll go upwards. It's a whole country in the central America; their behavior seems like a teenager's who just learnt about the magic of Bitcoin in 2011 and bought bunch. I can't say Bitcoin is the least fluctuating asset at the moment and hence, the greatest investment strategy for a country.

Also, why would a dictator want to promote Bitcoin, a currency which is against their polity?
I guess for the president to have taken such bold step he must have good market analyst surrounding his cabinet. 420 Btc is a whooping large sum. The country would be so glad they took advantage of the dip.

Their trust fund account was just their saving grace as well since they ensured to withdraw some USD once their btc revalues. I was just wondering what if it took longer for Bitcoin to make an upsurge their economy would have been affected.


Title: Re: The president of El Salvador just bout 420 BTC!
Post by: mk4 on October 28, 2021, 10:59:51 AM
Dude has already bought a few times when bitcoin dipped in price a bit, and publicly announced it on Twitter just like this instance. Don't tell me we're going to create a separate topic after every purchase lmao.


Title: Re: The president of El Salvador just bout 420 BTC!
Post by: arwin100 on October 28, 2021, 11:05:34 AM
Nayib Bukele the president of El Salvador (the first country to recognize BTC as legal tender) just announced this on Twitter.


Nice to see how he handle this things and that announcement of buying for sure helping up bitcoin to gain confidence again eventhough the price pull back a little bit right now. I'm curious to know the future on what will happen and if we can still see some pull ups since for sure that El salvador president will be lucky if bitcoin reach at $100,000. But let see how the market pressure hold on these days.


Title: Re: The president of El Salvador just bout 420 BTC!
Post by: LoyceV on October 28, 2021, 11:08:36 AM
You can't really say this is a dictator, can you?
Who's saying he is? As far as I know he's their president.

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I can't understand how they're so sure it'll go upwards.
I'd say it's bluff: if it keeps going up, he did good. And if it drops, he'll just buy the dip.

Not sure where the money is coming from to buy those BTCs. Not that it’s a massive amount, but I’m sure their citizens would like to have the BTCs properly sourced.
I'm more curious how they store it: who has access? Many exchanges lost their funds to hackers, it would be nice if that doesn't happen to a (poor) country.


Title: Re: The president of El Salvador just bout 420 BTC!
Post by: sirminesalot on October 28, 2021, 11:10:06 AM
I'm focusing on how he manage their country's wealth by having a trust fund that funded by BTC and USD.
That is very interesting when millenials have the chance to rule a country and they made a digital up to date breakthrough that could make a lot of profits for their country even the risk is high too.


Title: Re: The president of El Salvador just bout 420 BTC!
Post by: o48o on October 28, 2021, 11:13:16 AM
You can't really say this is a dictator, can you?

They bought 420 BTC, but I can't understand how they're so sure it'll go upwards. It's a whole country in the central America; their behavior seems like a teenager's who just learnt about the magic of Bitcoin in 2011 and bought bunch. I can't say Bitcoin is the least fluctuating asset at the moment and hence, the greatest investment strategy for a country.

Of course he can't trust that it goes upwards. It's the matter of probability, but are you are thinking that Nayib would act like a sensible human being in this area? He is being seriously irresponsible that sadly is in in parallel to his personality.

Also, why would a dictator want to promote Bitcoin, a currency which is against their polity?

Because they fail to create a stable fiat currency of their own and this is a big middle finger to places like usa. And it tells a lot what they think about using usd as an alternative currency of their own.






Title: Re: The president of El Salvador just bout 420 BTC!
Post by: DeathAngel on October 28, 2021, 11:24:10 AM
He’s got some conviction, that’s for sure. Making BTC legal tender over there will probably drag his people out of poverty. People working abroad are saving so much money sending remittances back home. He’s helping his people & we have to commend him for it. Their generation of young people will be so much better off financially.
Kudos to Jack Mallers for his part too.


Title: Re: The president of El Salvador just bout 420 BTC!
Post by: cheezcarls on October 28, 2021, 11:46:05 AM
That’s a good thing especially for a president who makes Bitcoin a legal tender. Most likely he’ll be looking forward to long term results as we’re currently in the bullish period that is Q4. However, nothing is guaranteed and no promises that the bullish run of BTC will continue or will remain at consolidation range between $58k to $62k in my opinion.


Title: Re: The president of El Salvador just bout 420 BTC!
Post by: pooya87 on October 28, 2021, 12:08:15 PM
I can't understand how they're so sure it'll go upwards.
Are you suggesting that it is not going up :D

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It's a whole country in the central America; their behavior seems like a teenager's who just learnt about the magic of Bitcoin in 2011 and bought bunch.
It is not the entire nation's wealth that is being invested in bitcoin, it is only a tiny portion of the budget being dedicated to bitcoin and they sell a portion of it to their people who would then use it as "legal tender". If a teenager put 1% of their wealth into bitcoin then they would be considered already better than 80% of the so called veteran investors.


Title: Re: The president of El Salvador just bout 420 BTC!
Post by: Imran232 on October 28, 2021, 12:45:25 PM
I saw lots of experts saying about this investment. They are curious about where they got the funds to buy BTC. Is this the real president or the country's bought? But I don't want to comment on any kind of thing. I respect everyone's opinion. But my opinion is slightly different from all of yours. I hope you guys don't mind. Because our country still does not support bitcoin, whereas a country that fully promotes bitcoin on a continuous basis simply fills their treasury, when our country wants to buy bitcoin, they may not be able to do so unless they pay the price set by this treasure owner.And I think we should grab BTC first before it's finished. Otherwise, at a certain time, we have to buy an untouchable amount. 


Title: Re: The president of El Salvador just bout 420 BTC!
Post by: worldofcoins on October 28, 2021, 12:48:02 PM
Good for the president!!

He made a good decision, bitcoin will definitely going to hit the 100,000 $ mark at some point in the future, I say it will be within 1-2 years.

Another thing that I'm curious about is if he bought those bitcoins after reading Elon Musk's tweet...I hope that's not the case.


Title: Re: The president of El Salvador just bout 420 BTC!
Post by: dkbit98 on October 28, 2021, 01:23:26 PM
Not sure where the money is coming from to buy those BTCs. Not that it’s a massive amount, but I’m sure their citizens would like to have the BTCs properly sourced.
Where does the money for all government spending in the world is coming from... from people and companies that are paying taxes all the time.
I can't say that I am happy how many governments are spending their money, so purchasing few hundred Bitcoins could be a better idea than purchasing more weapons of mass destructions.

They have spent $24.6 million for this one and bought 1120 Bitcoins in total with average of $53k so at average of $59.3 million which is also huge amount.
Compared to other countries and even some bitcoin whales that is not so much, considering that El Salvador population is around 6,8 million people.
They hold only 0.005% of total Bitcoin supply, and reports are showing that countries like Ukraine, Bulgaria, United States and China own much more, or at least they owned if they sold it.

I'm more curious how they store it: who has access? Many exchanges lost their funds to hackers, it would be nice if that doesn't happen to a (poor) country.
They are mining Bitcoin with volcanos so I am sure they are not keeping Bitcoins on centralized exchange or in Bukele's Chivo mobile wallet :D most likely they have some multisig setup.


Title: Re: The president of El Salvador just bout 420 BTC!
Post by: Fundamentals Of on October 28, 2021, 01:31:05 PM
Nayib Bukele is quite interesting in how he leads the country. I guess he really has a big influence in his government. It seems he has the power to make something done even if he does not have the sole authority over what happens to the country's finances.

I am hoping that this is the best thing the Bukele government of El Salvador can do to the tens of millions of dollars from its coffers. El Salvador is not a rich country. They actually don't have the luxury to spend that big of an amount on something unnecessary.


Title: Re: The president of El Salvador just bout 420 BTC!
Post by: BlackHatCoiner on October 28, 2021, 01:55:30 PM
Who's saying he is? As far as I know he's their president.
Well, he declared himself the coolest dictator. Isn't he?

Are you suggesting that it is not going up
I'm just saying that bitcoin isn't meant to be taken that it'll constantly rise. It's volatile. Have you forgotten how it's like to be in a bear market? That's all I'm saying.

They are mining Bitcoin with volcanos so I am sure they are not keeping Bitcoins on centralized exchange or in Bukele's Chivo mobile wallet :D most likely they have some multisig setup.
Don't hold your breath. I remember a stompix's post showing that they don't even have a Bitcoin & LN node. (Unless they're running both over Tor)


Title: Re: The president of El Salvador just bout 420 BTC!
Post by: Lucius on October 28, 2021, 01:56:12 PM
Dude has already bought a few times when bitcoin dipped in price a bit, and publicly announced it on Twitter just like this instance. Don't tell me we're going to create a separate topic after every purchase lmao.

What else to expect but a new thread for every new news that appears from El Salvador - no matter how irrelevant it may be. People are fascinated by the fact that one country (for which most are unable to show it on a map) buys Bitcoin. All is well until the sensation seekers on duty dig up the new-old sensational news that has been known for several days, but has not yet found its way to the BD board.



Nayib Bukele is quite interesting in how he leads the country. I guess he really has a big influence in his government. It seems he has the power to make something done even if he does not have the sole authority over what happens to the country's finances.

He is from the ruling party which has a majority in parliament and makes all decisions without having to depend on anyone else. Some call him a dictator, but the man has only tried to do something positive for his country - if he fails to do so, some other people will win the next election and perhaps reverse all his decisions.

They actually don't have the luxury to spend that big of an amount on something unnecessary.

Is a pet clinic (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5342087.msg58146494#msg58146494) a luxury or an urgent need for a country like El Salvador? I have nothing against pets, but some much richer countries do not have such clinics either - I believe that this money could be spent much better on building hospitals for people, kindergartens, schools...


Title: Re: The president of El Salvador just bout 420 BTC!
Post by: NeuroticFish on October 28, 2021, 02:02:43 PM
Is a pet clinic (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5342087.msg58146494#msg58146494) a luxury or an urgent need for a country like El Salvador? I have nothing against pets, but some much richer countries do not have such clinics either - I believe that this money could be spent much better on building hospitals for people, kindergartens, schools...

Indeed, he should spend the funds better, instead of spending on "what he likes". For example building more power plants so the country doesn't have to buy from the neighbors would have been a better choice. Your list is also great.
On the other hand, if he wouldn't have been going by "what he likes", Bitcoin may have not been there either (not yet).


Title: Re: The president of El Salvador just bout 420 BTC!
Post by: livingfree on October 28, 2021, 02:47:20 PM
The thing that matters to the majority is the fact that they've just bought another bunch of bitcoins.

Although it's part of his political career and policy towards bitcoin and there are many citizens that do not agree with him. This guy believes bitcoin and just as we, we're believing it.

But on him, every time a few dip comes, there's probably a plan to buy hundreds of it. While for the small timers like me, only a few decimals can do.


Title: Re: The president of El Salvador just bout 420 BTC!
Post by: watergold on October 28, 2021, 03:09:15 PM
You can't really say this is a dictator, can you?

I'm not sure about this. regardless of dictator or not I like the policies he has applied to bitcoin today.
but this goes back to bukele himself i don't know what he's doing behind his back and it could be a dictator in your opinion right or wrong

Not sure where the money is coming from to buy those BTCs. Not that it’s a massive amount, but I’m sure their citizens would like to have the BTCs properly sourced. The second comment on the Twitter screenshot suggest that, perhaps, they are selling-off part of the Trust’s USDs to purchase more BTCs (or it could be from another origin).


this is the strongest possibility that happened.
because it takes quite a lot of funds to buy that much bitcoin.
and maybe they will continue to buy in installments little by little when bitcoin experiences corrections and declines.
and this is a pretty good thing for elsavador themselves as they have now amassed over 600 bitcoins and continue to plan to add more.
I think this is pretty good to see how it goes.


Title: Re: The president of El Salvador just bout 420 BTC!
Post by: michellee on October 28, 2021, 03:16:52 PM
That’s a good thing especially for a president who makes Bitcoin a legal tender. Most likely he’ll be looking forward to long term results as we’re currently in the bullish period that is Q4. However, nothing is guaranteed and no promises that the bullish run of BTC will continue or will remain at consolidation range between $58k to $62k in my opinion.
I guess he can wait until the price starts to increase more than the price he bought and doing a long-term holding will not be a problem to them. It is a good decision to buy bitcoin at dip as he can hold his bitcoin and not sell it for the long term. If the price can start another rally and somehow surpasses $70k, his profit will be bigger while he can keep the rest of Bitcoin for the next ATH.

Even if the price is down or stable at $58k-$68k, he can use that moment to buy more bitcoin. But he still needs to be careful as the market will not always go up and have a bull run because the bear run can come anytime.


Title: Re: The president of El Salvador just bout 420 BTC!
Post by: Woodie on October 28, 2021, 03:41:47 PM
Are these bitcoins the president bought suppose to be the property of the citizens of El Salvador since his brought this news into the public domain or this is a private purchase...but looking at the quantity its high likely for the citizens?? And I appreciate that his in the forefront  but could he delegate this to someelse...maybe to the ministry of finance or some treasury department if these coins happen to be for the citizens let them post the public address for transparency and accountability reason's.

 


Title: Re: The president of El Salvador just bout 420 BTC!
Post by: kryptqnick on October 28, 2021, 03:45:20 PM
It's currently worth almost 26 million dollars. It's a ton of money for a president to have, especially in such a poor country. So unless he bought it with personal funds but is going to share somehow with the public (by donating it to socially important causes), I don't think it's a nice gesture. First and foremost, it's not about Bitcoin but bragging about having so much money to spare on investments in a country where  (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_El_Salvador)8.5% of the population have less than $3.20 per day, and almost a quarter lives in poverty. The matter's even worse if it's taxpayers' money that he's playing with and making decisions about investments.


Title: Re: The president of El Salvador just bout 420 BTC!
Post by: DdmrDdmr on October 28, 2021, 04:30:45 PM
One possible source of data to keep an eye on is the government’s transparency portal on fiscal budgets:
https://www.transparenciafiscal.gob.sv/ptf/es/PTF2-Datos_Abiertos.html

Going briefly over the portal, I’ve only managed to come-up with some accounting information with references to bitcoin. Namely, the database entry labelled "Ejecución del gasto por clasificación presupuestaria" (data as of September 2021 so far) allows us to download a pdf with data related to open budgets. The pdf includes 4 entries related to Bitcoin:

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1412  Financiamiento al Fideicomiso para Operativizar la Circulación de Moneda Digital Bitcoin 2021 (september)-> 100 M $ (payment planned)
1412  Financiamiento al Fideicomiso para Operativizar la Circulación de Moneda Digital Bitcoin 2021 (october)-> 50 M $ (programmed, 25$ commited)
1416  Bono Bitcoin 2021 (September) -> 0 $
1416  Bono Bitcoin 2021 (October) -> 30 M $ (programmed)

The former 2 aggregate to the 150M $ Trust fund we know about. The latter 30M $ suggest a budget to pay out bitcoin redemptions, which I thought was all budgeted under the 150 M $ allocated to the Trust.

I haven't seen anything else much, but some quarterly reports are not due until end of year, and I’m not really well acquainted with their information. Perhaps someone more local (if there’s anyone around here from there) can find other sources within the portal that may be of interest to track and pinpoint these purchases.


Title: Re: The president of El Salvador just bout 420 BTC!
Post by: blatchcorn on October 28, 2021, 05:07:39 PM
You can't really say this is a dictator, can you?

They bought 420 BTC, but I can't understand how they're so sure it'll go upwards. It's a whole country in the central America; their behavior seems like a teenager's who just learnt about the magic of Bitcoin in 2011 and bought bunch. I can't say Bitcoin is the least fluctuating asset at the moment and hence, the greatest investment strategy for a country.

Also, why would a dictator want to promote Bitcoin, a currency which is against their polity?

This happens if you don't have democracy and some insane person got the power. I don't know the reason of buying BTC at such high price by leader of the state? May be he is trying to become "COOL" as Musk.
They have made BTC legal tender but I don't think its a wise move, since decentralized BTC is all about democracy and not dictatorship.


Title: Re: The president of El Salvador just bout 420 BTC!
Post by: TheNineClub on October 28, 2021, 05:18:19 PM
I wonder if any of that hahaha profit will go towards the poverty-stricken in that country, or to crime regulation. I mean, I do appreciate El Salvador accepting bitcoin, but I am interested to see how much of that profit will go back to the people and how much is just a Twitter stunt.


Title: Re: The president of El Salvador just bout 420 BTC!
Post by: Fundamentals Of on October 29, 2021, 01:29:56 AM
Nayib Bukele is quite interesting in how he leads the country. I guess he really has a big influence in his government. It seems he has the power to make something done even if he does not have the sole authority over what happens to the country's finances.

He is from the ruling party which has a majority in parliament and makes all decisions without having to depend on anyone else. Some call him a dictator, but the man has only tried to do something positive for his country - if he fails to do so, some other people will win the next election and perhaps reverse all his decisions.

Yes, but I'm still wondering how the parliament has easily bought Bitcoin, a technology more than half of its members might not have even thoroughly understood, during the quick dip as if tens of millions of dollars is a small amount of money which requires no lengthy deliberation, processes, and approval. It's as if the cash is just lying there available waiting for a dip to happen.

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They actually don't have the luxury to spend that big of an amount on something unnecessary.

Is a pet clinic (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5342087.msg58146494#msg58146494) a luxury or an urgent need for a country like El Salvador? I have nothing against pets, but some much richer countries do not have such clinics either - I believe that this money could be spent much better on building hospitals for people, kindergartens, schools...

It's not even just a clinic. It is a hospital, a huge and luxurious hospital for animals. I hope this is not the kind of misappropriation El Salvador under Bukele is involved in buying dips.


Title: Re: The president of El Salvador just bout 420 BTC!
Post by: so98nn on October 29, 2021, 04:15:01 AM
Though it is admirable to see a dictator making efforts to put his country on a modern fortier, then also if I were citizen of this country I would have been terrified by this news. I would have been happy before, but this guy is buying many times now and not to forget this is nations money collected from the taxes and needs to be used for the funding of national development. I am not sure how daring they are to put it all in the bitcoin itself.

What if someone sees this as an opportunity and sell their btc and we see sharp fall in the prices? This would be terrifying tbh, you will loose the country's development fund and salaries of government employees. Not sure how they are playing this game.


Title: Re: The president of El Salvador just bout 420 BTC!
Post by: Shenzou on October 29, 2021, 04:21:52 AM
You can't really say this is a dictator, can you?

They bought 420 BTC, but I can't understand how they're so sure it'll go upwards. It's a whole country in the central America; their behavior seems like a teenager's who just learnt about the magic of Bitcoin in 2011 and bought bunch. I can't say Bitcoin is the least fluctuating asset at the moment and hence, the greatest investment strategy for a country.

Also, why would a dictator want to promote Bitcoin, a currency which is against their polity?

This happens if you don't have democracy and some insane person got the power. I don't know the reason of buying BTC at such high price by leader of the state? May be he is trying to become "COOL" as Musk.
They have made BTC legal tender but I don't think its a wise move, since decentralized BTC is all about democracy and not dictatorship.
I don't think that he comes up as a dictator, as he didn't force people to use bitcoin and removed the regular financial systems, he just gave them an option and incentive to use it and bring in many crypto investors and companies  to the country or at least i think that what they are aiming for since it is starting to become a safe haven for crypto and bitcoin, and for the most part he has been right and logic with his decisions and they don't seem to come as a form of dictatorships, otherwise i am really starting to see that he is making his presence and trying to come out as an influencer and making announcements about his moves and investments to somewhat to try to influence the market.  


Title: Re: president of El Salvador just bout 420 BTC!
Post by: Dr.Osh on October 29, 2021, 05:14:20 AM
I suspect that this will encourage its people to buy bitcoins as well. pretty good when he bought bitcoin and it went up to $60k. however, The president of El Salvador probably won't announce that when the price drops, but may buy more.
it's just that, if it's like this, I'm afraid that if the price of bitcoin decreases, many will give negative comments about this. It's good that he has already taken advantage of it, but if not, it will be a lesson to his people that bitcoin has huge fluctuations. however, I hope the price of bitcoin continues to rise so that people will be more impressed with cryptocurrencies.


Title: Re: The president of El Salvador just bout 420 BTC!
Post by: worle1bm on October 29, 2021, 05:46:19 AM
I wonder if any of that hahaha profit will go towards the poverty-stricken in that country, or to crime regulation. I mean, I do appreciate El Salvador accepting bitcoin, but I am interested to see how much of that profit will go back to the people and how much is just a Twitter stunt.
That we could estimate from the nation infrastructure development in few years and the residents will most probably make us aware about the future scenario that how the profits were being utilised by the government to improve the country's financial conditions over the table.They have made some huge profits in these time like cashing out the profits but yes we can't figure out how the funds will be used until they only post about buying the dips an all that.But hope they are used in right Manner and no scam allegations rise in El Salvador for funds inappropriate use.


Title: Re: The president of El Salvador just bout 420 BTC!
Post by: Kakmakr on October 29, 2021, 06:05:21 AM
Nayib Bukele  really stuck his head out there, because his decision to accept Bitcoin as a legal tender, angered the "Puppet Masters" of this world. They already threatened him by warning him that international loans to his country will stop, if he continue on his new path. (Giving them the finger, earns him points in my good books)

I am not saying that dictatorship is correct, but his decision to give Bitcoin an opportunity to help with remittance to his country and to reduce banking fees in a country filled with poverty, is definitely commendable.  ;)


Title: Re: The president of El Salvador just bout 420 BTC!
Post by: Lucius on October 29, 2021, 11:02:53 AM
Indeed, he should spend the funds better, instead of spending on "what he likes". For example building more power plants so the country doesn't have to buy from the neighbors would have been a better choice. Your list is also great.
On the other hand, if he wouldn't have been going by "what he likes", Bitcoin may have not been there either (not yet).

We can conclude that on the one hand, his priorities don't make much sense ($4 million pet clinic), while on the other hand his if we can call it "stubbornness" still results in El Salvador doing what many have only dreamed of - that Bitcoin becomes a legal tender in one country. I personally cannot say at this point whether he is a positive or a negative for his people, but he definitely has the guts to pull moves that seem controversial - of course depending on the angle from which they are viewed.



Yes, but I'm still wondering how the parliament has easily bought Bitcoin, a technology more than half of its members might not have even thoroughly understood, during the quick dip as if tens of millions of dollars is a small amount of money which requires no lengthy deliberation, processes, and approval. It's as if the cash is just lying there available waiting for a dip to happen.

We cannot know that members of their parliament do not understand what Bitcoin is, maybe the president taught them the basics, because he is very well versed in everything related to Bitcoin. In addition, although the prevailing opinion is that the whole process of implementing Bitcoin in El Salvador was done hastily, many forget that for more than a year there was a Bitcoin Beach project in that country that turned an entire area into a Bitcoin zone. I think everything the president does has a foothold in long-term plans that are in line with the laws in that country.

It's not even just a clinic. It is a hospital, a huge and luxurious hospital for animals. I hope this is not the kind of misappropriation El Salvador under Bukele is involved in buying dips.

It is an illogical move from our perspective, but perhaps it is just one of the projects happening in that country that we do not know about. However, I have already written that this money could certainly have been spent on some other essential things, but obviously the animal welfare society in that country has a very strong lobby🐱


Title: Re: The president of El Salvador just bout 420 BTC!
Post by: Natalim on October 29, 2021, 11:37:14 AM
Nayib Bukele  really stuck his head out there, because his decision to accept Bitcoin as a legal tender, angered the "Puppet Masters" of this world. They already threatened him by warning him that international loans to his country will stop, if he continue on his new path. (Giving them the finger, earns him points in my good books)

I am not saying that dictatorship is correct, but his decision to give Bitcoin an opportunity to help with remittance to his country and to reduce banking fees in a country filled with poverty, is definitely commendable.  ;)

That's right, dictatorship is not bad at all if the policy is to help the economy of the country to improve.

Supporting bitcoin by legalizing it and buying it tells complete confidence from this country.
Actually, I think the title is a bit misleading since the BTC that they bought is not for the personal funds of the president, it's for the country.


Title: Re: The president of El Salvador just bout 420 BTC!
Post by: lumierre on October 29, 2021, 04:38:34 PM
You can't really say this is a dictator, can you?

They bought 420 BTC, but I can't understand how they're so sure it'll go upwards. It's a whole country in the central America; their behavior seems like a teenager's who just learnt about the magic of Bitcoin in 2011 and bought bunch. I can't say Bitcoin is the least fluctuating asset at the moment and hence, the greatest investment strategy for a country.

Also, why would a dictator want to promote Bitcoin, a currency which is against their polity?
I am afraid I can't agree with you that Bitcoin is against polity of Salvador. Everything is completely opposite to this, some months ago, Salvador accepted Bitcoin as one of a national currency, so now it is completely legalised there.
What is more, Salvador is not the only country that buys crypto. The country with the biggest number of Bitcoin on account is Bulgaria.


Title: Re: The president of El Salvador just bout 420 BTC!
Post by: BlackHatCoiner on October 29, 2021, 04:43:54 PM
I am afraid I can't agree with you that Bitcoin is against polity of Salvador.
I assume they have dictatorship. If they do, then it's against their polity. What's the reason they would want a currency that distinguishes money from state? This is exactly what bitcoin does.

Everything is completely opposite to this, some months ago, Salvador accepted Bitcoin as one of a national currency, so now it is completely legalised there.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. The citizens can use a payment method with no intermediates and I find this against their polity.

What is more, Salvador is not the only country that buys crypto. The country with the biggest number of Bitcoin on account is Bulgaria.
Proof or just assumption?


Title: Re: The president of El Salvador just bout 420 BTC!
Post by: DdmrDdmr on October 29, 2021, 04:57:59 PM
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Actually, that information is still being echoed in many sites as real (i.e. https://www.buybitcoinworldwide.com/treasuries/#countries), although perhaps somebody from Bulgaria may have further insights as to whether the alleged decommissioned 213,519 bitcoins are indeed still in possession of the government, and more specifically, is there any public record that shows this on their balance.

El Salvador though has part, if not all, of those BTCs invested in the Trust related to the Chivo System. I haven’t read anywhere that these purchases are a separate balance to the Trust itself, so in that sense, they are largely tied to ops, and not so much as a reserve I’d say.


Title: Re: The president of El Salvador just bout 420 BTC!
Post by: aoluain on October 29, 2021, 05:05:54 PM
You can't really say this is a dictator, can you?

I believe that we cannot tell whether he is a dictator or not only by judging his policies regarding Bitcoin.

I like his policy regarding Bitcoin, but when I read criticisms of him, I looked for information and there are several sources that point to him having an authoritarian tendency:

Bukele Speeds Up Moves Towards Authoritarianism in El Salvador (https://www.ipsnews.net/2021/09/bukele-speeds-moves-towards-authoritarianism-el-salvador/)

Meet Latin America’s First Millennial Dictator (https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/08/nayib-bukele-salvador-millenial-dictator-authoritarianism.html)

The U.S. can stop El Salvador’s slide to authoritarianism. Time to act. (https://www.hrw.org/news/2021/05/21/us-can-stop-el-salvadors-slide-authoritarianism-time-act)

Also, why would a dictator want to promote Bitcoin, a currency which is against their polity?

Why do you say that? El Salvador does not have its own currency, it cannot print massively, it has been working for a long time with the USD, and switching to Bitcoin is profitable for them. It has much more to gain than to lose, unlike the USA or the EU.

At the risk of repeating myself, El Salvador as above dont have their own currency, they are
or have been at the mercy of the $ an over the last 18 months or so because the US has been
printing $'s it leaves ES with no other choice than to try an alternative


You can't really say this is a dictator, can you?
Who's saying he is? As far as I know he's their president.

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I can't understand how they're so sure it'll go upwards.
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I am wondering also why he is constantly referred to as a dictator?

I wonder if any of that hahaha profit will go towards the poverty-stricken in that country, or to crime regulation. I mean, I do appreciate El Salvador accepting bitcoin, but I am interested to see how much of that profit will go back to the people and how much is just a Twitter stunt.

And I'm wondering which country you think has zero poverty? there have been
many discussions regarding poverty and the wealth divide on the forum.
What is critical is proper infrastructure, education and job development to give
more people a chance to a better standard of living, reduce the amount of
people on the poverty line and then tackle it more.

If Bitcoin can eventually go towards solving some problems in the country the
presidents decision will have been a success.


Title: Re: The president of El Salvador just bout 420 BTC!
Post by: Fortify on October 29, 2021, 05:28:41 PM
Nayib Bukele the president of El Salvador (the first country to recognize BTC as legal tender) just announced this on Twitter.

It's easy to try and act gimmicky when you're spending other peoples money. I can only wonder what sort of projects and social benefits (new roads?) might have been possible in this country with this sum of money, instead of paying off speculators for little real benefit to the tax payers. It also seems incredible wasteful to buy in such large sums, although he might just be grandstanding, when he could buy much smaller amounts periodically instead of waiting for these elusive "dips" where you never can tell the bottom. I guess he is still chasing newspaper headlines and populism which in order to get re-elected next time, without actually fixing much else in the country.


Title: Re: The president of El Salvador just bout 420 BTC!
Post by: jeldzrey16 on October 29, 2021, 08:49:42 PM
This means if they are buying, we know its already the dip, we should put some longs here with 100% of our portfolio! Well be richer than we think!


Title: Re: The president of El Salvador just bout 420 BTC!
Post by: ene1980 on October 29, 2021, 09:18:27 PM
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It's easy to try and act gimmicky when you're spending other peoples money. I can only wonder what sort of projects and social benefits (new roads?) might have been possible in this country with this sum of money, instead of paying off speculators for little real benefit to the tax payers. It also seems incredible wasteful to buy in such large sums, although he might just be grandstanding, when he could buy much smaller amounts periodically instead of waiting for these elusive "dips" where you never can tell the bottom. I guess he is still chasing newspaper headlines and populism which in order to get re-elected next time, without actually fixing much else in the country.
This is exactly what i was thinking after reading the headline, is he invested from his own pocket or he is playing with the taxpayers money and he is particular about getting all the headlines and he is getting them. I wonder what is the ground reality and how the people in El Salvador are responding to his investment in Bitcoin. There were many resistance when he introduced Bitcoin and he might not be that popular among the normal citizens.


Title: Re: The president of El Salvador just bout 420 BTC!
Post by: Rengga Jati on October 29, 2021, 11:28:31 PM
Nayib Bukele the president of El Salvador (the first country to recognize BTC as legal tender) just announced this on Twitter.
I am sure that he is not a new person in Bitcoin, and his also government may be also very popular and have been encouraged in Bitcoin after a long time.
And that is why they are so brave in taking this decision.
I am not sure that they will do this risky thing without any management, controls, and also consideration about the characteristics of Bitcoin itself and for the future, for the condition when BTC faces bearish time again. They must have something that we don't know what exactly they meant and they can maintain to make survive with this decision.
This is a big decision for a country.

And, if this is really successful, this will really drive followed by many more countries in the world, of course those that are ready with this


Title: Re: The president of El Salvador just bout 420 BTC!
Post by: Sanitough on October 29, 2021, 11:30:51 PM
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It's easy to try and act gimmicky when you're spending other peoples money. I can only wonder what sort of projects and social benefits (new roads?) might have been possible in this country with this sum of money, instead of paying off speculators for little real benefit to the tax payers. It also seems incredible wasteful to buy in such large sums, although he might just be grandstanding, when he could buy much smaller amounts periodically instead of waiting for these elusive "dips" where you never can tell the bottom. I guess he is still chasing newspaper headlines and populism which in order to get re-elected next time, without actually fixing much else in the country.
This is exactly what i was thinking after reading the headline, is he invested from his own pocket or he is playing with the taxpayers money and he is particular about getting all the headlines and he is getting them. I wonder what is the ground reality and how the people in El Salvador are responding to his investment in Bitcoin. There were many resistance when he introduced Bitcoin and he might not be that popular among the normal citizens.
I guess only Bukele knows where did he get the funds to buy bitcoin, or maybe he used to bought bitcoin with his own pocket when it was still very cheap and now he's reaping the fruit of his investment. Because we all know even before bitcoin's adoption in El Salvador, Bukele is already a bitcoin enthusiast and this is the reason why he pushed through a bill to accept bitcoin as a legal tender because he knows a lot about crypto and its potentials than any other Salvadorian citizen.


Title: Re: The president of El Salvador just bout 420 BTC!
Post by: dothebeats on October 30, 2021, 05:27:46 AM
News about bitcoin on El Salvador becomes boring and stale after quite some time, but still I see some posts appearing here and there whenever they buy bitcoins. Perhaps it is because they are the first country to openly state that they are buying the cryptocurrency, moreso than the actual relevance of the matter (which isn't really high IMO). But yeah, I still think it's great that they're committed to buying at the dips, although I believe that that does not require any press release, news articles, or even a forum post whenever they do.


Title: Re: The president of El Salvador just bout 420 BTC!
Post by: worle1bm on October 30, 2021, 05:56:38 AM
This means if they are buying, we know its already the dip, we should put some longs here with 100% of our portfolio! Well be richer than we think!
I don't understand what you are saying here? The price dips usually happens because of the market volatility and the El Salvador took advantage of this and turn in into opportunity to buy some more bitcoin at the dip or say at an average price of $58k approximately.But what do you mean by it's already dip ? You will be having profits in the long run only if you are able to hold through all these dips and not panic sell.


Title: Re: The president of El Salvador just bout 420 BTC!
Post by: Kimonoe on October 30, 2021, 07:34:38 AM
News about bitcoin on El Salvador becomes boring and stale after quite some time, but still I see some posts appearing here and there whenever they buy bitcoins. Perhaps it is because they are the first country to openly state that they are buying the cryptocurrency, moreso than the actual relevance of the matter (which isn't really high IMO). But yeah, I still think it's great that they're committed to buying at the dips, although I believe that that does not require any press release, news articles, or even a forum post whenever they do.
actually this will be a good moment to follow it, of course with this news it will stimulate others to do the same so that prices increase and the market looks better. that way it will make its popularity even higher and hopefully it will have an even bigger effect, like that and so on


Title: Re: The president of El Salvador just bout 420 BTC!
Post by: GeorgeJohn on October 30, 2021, 07:49:39 AM
Good for the president!!

He made a good decision, bitcoin will definitely going to hit the 100,000 $ mark at some point in the future, I say it will be within 1-2 years.

Another thing that I'm curious about is if he bought those bitcoins after reading Elon Musk's tweet...I hope that's not the case.
Actually he made good decision for her country, but the news seems to be new now, but from my own understanding I'm not convinced that mr President purchase the 420 bitcoin recently, maybe it has happened long time ago, actually investing in bitcoin is wise ideas but it depends the time frame we purchase and how long is going to stay before huge profit will be made.


Title: Re: The president of El Salvador just bout 420 BTC!
Post by: Lucius on October 30, 2021, 09:37:26 AM
Actually, that information is still being echoed in many sites as real (i.e. https://www.buybitcoinworldwide.com/treasuries/#countries), although perhaps somebody from Bulgaria may have further insights as to whether the alleged decommissioned 213,519 bitcoins are indeed still in possession of the government, and more specifically, is there any public record that shows this on their balance.

@DdmrDdmr, the story of Bulgaria's BTC is long over, if the Bulgarian finance minister is to be believed their government has sold BTC on several occasions and it all ended in April 2018. The number of BTCs sold was never released (I was unable to find it), but it was reported that the sales consultant was Deloitte with the assistance of the FBI - hardly a single minister would have invented something like that. The site you linked obviously needs to correct the data regarding the fact that some countries own BTC - Ukrainian or Georgian politicians who have privately invested in BTC cannot represent the government/country as an investor.

As for the people from Bulgaria, see this comment (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5360967.msg58027784#msg58027784), and for a news source check this post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5360967.msg57995536#msg57995536).


Title: Re: The president of El Salvador just bout 420 BTC!
Post by: SmokerFace on October 30, 2021, 10:38:08 AM
It's good to know that BTC is being recognized on the government level. We must appreciate this rather than start criticism. Everything has some good and some bad aspects so rather than looking for Advantages and Disadvantages we must focus on what outcome we observe on recognition of BTC on the government level. Yes, it's true that all the policies must be carefully reviewed upon making it live.


Title: Re: The president of El Salvador just bout 420 BTC!
Post by: AakZaki on October 31, 2021, 09:04:08 PM
The president is quite crazy to take this decision. Buying at a deep price of 420 BTC is a pretty big buy. The President of El Salvador is smart to take advantage of the unstable condition of bitcoin by increasing his bitcoin assets. We know El Salvador adopted bitcoin, and this is the trigger for bitcoin to start rising.
If the price of bitcoin continues to rise, Bukulele will profit, but if it drops from the entry price, maybe he will start buying again and so on.


Title: Re: The president of El Salvador just bout 420 BTC!
Post by: Rufsilf on November 01, 2021, 01:01:08 PM
You can't really say this is a dictator, can you?

They bought 420 BTC, but I can't understand how they're so sure it'll go upwards. It's a whole country in the central America; their behavior seems like a teenager's who just learnt about the magic of Bitcoin in 2011 and bought bunch. I can't say Bitcoin is the least fluctuating asset at the moment and hence, the greatest investment strategy for a country.

Also, why would a dictator want to promote Bitcoin, a currency which is against their polity?

We can't really say that he is a dictator even if he joked once that he's the "World's Coolest Dictator"

Source: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/26/naybib-bukele-el-salvador-president-coolest-dictator

It may sound unusual to see a president trusted bitcoin so much and eventually bought 420 BTC using their country's money. Anyways, we can't say such things because we aren't in his shoes and ofcourse being a president, we can say they studied and vote for it before buying huge amounts of btc. And President Bukele is also a successful businessman so it's safe to say that he sees something about bitcoin than us before making such huge move.

But I can't deny that it's so insane to buy 420 BTC and it is so huge to buy it once and choosed to trust their funds in bitcoin.


Title: Re: The president of El Salvador just bout 420 BTC!
Post by: Lucius on November 01, 2021, 02:51:23 PM
But I can't deny that it's so insane to buy 420 BTC and it is so huge to buy it once and choosed to trust their funds in bitcoin.

Good morning @Rufsilf, you seem to have woken up from some long sleep if you think 420 BTC is a lot because El Salvador has bought 1120 BTC so far -  do you think there is a word better than insane to describe one country buying so much BTC?

Maybe you still missed that Bitcoin is a legal tender in that country, so now think about why they buy Bitcoin and not, say, gold or Swiss francs?

Overall, El Salvador's treasury holds 1,120 bitcoin, according to official data, worth nearly $66 million.


Title: Re: The president of El Salvador just bout 420 BTC!
Post by: Ararbermas on November 01, 2021, 08:15:58 PM
I hope bitcoin will go up more before this year end so that those people will not cry afterwards.. Lol because you know bitcoin seems not yet done seeking for strong support level at this moment in my view, i mean there's a chance it will attempt or restest those supports below the current price, and for sure if holders sees a strong bearish sign of course there will be a panic selling like what always happen. I hope not 420BTC?. that's massive!. ;D


Title: Re: The president of El Salvador just bout 420 BTC!
Post by: shield132 on November 01, 2021, 08:32:12 PM
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I can't understand how they're so sure it'll go upwards.
I'd say it's bluff: if it keeps going up, he did good. And if it drops, he'll just buy the dip.
No, you are wrong, if things keep going up, he will add the profit to the budget but if the things are going down, he will open short position on futures trading and will profit again (I'm joking Ofc).


I'm more curious how they store it: who has access? Many exchanges lost their funds to hackers, it would be nice if that doesn't happen to a (poor) country.
I guess the president is verified on Binance and holds the money :D
The most curious thing will be if he starts futures trading with high leverages. Do you wanna dip? Then do 2x leverage and it will look like you bought bitcoin at it's half price. I hope he won't use 10x leverage.

Idk why people are happy because of that but I would say, this is just a very poor decision/action. He acts like a person who is a kid but thinks that become a matured man (i.e. teen who tries to act cool but does all the shit in reality).


Title: Re: The president of El Salvador just bout 420 BTC!
Post by: 7788bitcoin on November 01, 2021, 10:15:57 PM
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although I believe that that does not require any press release, news articles, or even a forum post whenever they do.
When mere speculators gets media attention and news articles let the President of El Salvador get his moment of shine with these news because he took the bold step to implement a rule no one did by accepting Bitcoin as a legal tender and anything he does will get these press releases. How the people of El Salvador will be reacting to these news is a different question but anything positive is a good news during a rally  ;D.


Title: Re: The president of El Salvador just bout 420 BTC!
Post by: hatshepsut93 on November 01, 2021, 10:41:34 PM
Bitcoin was created to take a way some power from centralized institutions, but now we have came full circle and are embracing a government pushing Bitcoin adoption to their people.

If Joe Biden will say tomorrow "I decided to buy 420 BTC", the rest of the government would have quite a debate about it and it's unclear if he would be able to do it or not, but this guy can buy any amount at any time and nothing can really stop him, so there's definitely some authoritarianism going here.


Title: Re: The president of El Salvador just bout 420 BTC!
Post by: 24Kt on November 01, 2021, 10:45:55 PM
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although I believe that that does not require any press release, news articles, or even a forum post whenever they do.
When mere speculators gets media attention and news articles let the President of El Salvador get his moment of shine with these news because he took the bold step to implement a rule no one did by accepting Bitcoin as a legal tender and anything he does will get these press releases. How the people of El Salvador will be reacting to these news is a different question but anything positive is a good news during a rally  ;D.

That's part of their marketing only. Since El Salvador is known to be the first country to make bitcoin as legal tender, we will expect more support to the crypto market especially bitcoin. Just to show maybe, that their decision to join this market is worth it. Nowadays, promoting something is easy as you can freely publish it via your social media channels. It will also raise awareness on what they are doing to supplement their move towards crypto.


Title: Re: The president of El Salvador just bout 420 BTC!
Post by: Slow death on November 01, 2021, 10:49:28 PM
Dude has already bought a few times when bitcoin dipped in price a bit, and publicly announced it on Twitter just like this instance. Don't tell me we're going to create a separate topic after every purchase lmao.

I also asked myself the same question, in a few months we'll see another topic saying that he bought more bitcoin.



 so far I'm wondering what his objective is and what is the target price he intends to sell and what will he do with the money because the money is from the people and I don't think he tells the people what his objective is with every bitcoin purchase he makes


Title: Re: The president of El Salvador just bout 420 BTC!
Post by: ene1980 on November 01, 2021, 10:51:15 PM
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I guess only Bukele knows where did he get the funds to buy bitcoin, or maybe he used to bought bitcoin with his own pocket when it was still very cheap and now he's reaping the fruit of his investment. Because we all know even before bitcoin's adoption in El Salvador, Bukele is already a bitcoin enthusiast and this is the reason why he pushed through a bill to accept bitcoin as a legal tender because he knows a lot about crypto and its potentials than any other Salvadorian citizen.
I was not aware that they have a young president, i thought someone old is ruling the country and Nayib Bukele is just 40 years old and no wonder he implemented these radical changes. Even i was thinking why would anyone take these initiatives but i was not aware he was young in politics. Not sure about his investment though, may be he was holding when the price was low or made money through any alts and reinvesting it and made news headlines  ;D.


Title: Re: The president of El Salvador just bout 420 BTC!
Post by: Mahanton on November 01, 2021, 10:59:18 PM
Dude has already bought a few times when bitcoin dipped in price a bit, and publicly announced it on Twitter just like this instance. Don't tell me we're going to create a separate topic after every purchase lmao.

I also asked myself the same question, in a few months we'll see another topic saying that he bought more bitcoin.



 so far I'm wondering what his objective is and what is the target price he intends to sell and what will he do with the money because the money is from the people and I don't think he tells the people what his objective is with every bitcoin purchase he makes
Just too dumb that he would treat up the money he had spent out on buying those coins was his own or personal where on the time he do make out profits then he would get those profits on.

Well, we cant really remove that kind of probability but since everything could really be seen on chain on how much had been taken off as a profit then he could anytime be sued out.

It just looks like their president is really  that obsessed with Bitcoin but i wont say its bad but he should really know about the risk behind.


Title: Re: The president of El Salvador just bout 420 BTC!
Post by: ultrloa on November 02, 2021, 01:47:13 PM
By buying so much BTC then they are sure that the magic will happen for the future, and they are a country that is currently using BTC as a legitimate means of payment so what they are doing now is all well planned even though the risk they receive is very large but in this case the agreement of certain parties has been agreed then Nayib Bukele does not want to waste this opportunity for the benefit of his country, This is all done for the benefit of the country and prosperity in the future.

There's no magic here since eventhough how promising bitcoin in  terms of profitability for holding it for so many years still we have a huge risk that we might don't get the target price we set for future and sometimes a huge dumps will came and that can affect their economy but I'm sure he know on what he is doing since for sure he have experience advisers on his side and have a proper planning on what actions they need to do once the market collapsed on certain times.


Title: Re: The president of El Salvador just bout 420 BTC!
Post by: xSkylarx on November 02, 2021, 01:59:27 PM
By buying so much BTC then they are sure that the magic will happen for the future, and they are a country that is currently using BTC as a legitimate means of payment so what they are doing now is all well planned even though the risk they receive is very large but in this case the agreement of certain parties has been agreed then Nayib Bukele does not want to waste this opportunity for the benefit of his country, This is all done for the benefit of the country and prosperity in the future.

There's no magic here since eventhough how promising bitcoin in  terms of profitability for holding it for so many years still we have a huge risk that we might don't get the target price we set for future and sometimes a huge dumps will came and that can affect their economy but I'm sure he know on what he is doing since for sure he have experience advisers on his side and have a proper planning on what actions they need to do once the market collapsed on certain times.

I don't think they're just buying it for the sake of holding it; I believe it's to help their economy cycle since they legalized bitcoin, and I believe they'll offer it as a payment method just to get people to try it, or they're planning something big. Though, in terms of holding it, there is still a lot of risk because we don't know what will happen, but we should be prepared for losses as well as wins because there are times when it is dump. However, risking is the best option because you will know whether or not you will win.


Title: Re: The president of El Salvador just bout 420 BTC!
Post by: DdmrDdmr on November 02, 2021, 03:45:28 PM
Their BTC purchases are, as far as I’m aware, made through their 150M $ Trust, and not from any other budgeting source. They are there to provide for the BTC to USD and vice-versa conversion within the Chivo System, and not as a separate budget to buy and hodl.

I’ve just come across a Salvadorian online newspaper that tries to put a number to their (unrealized) “benefits” made through these purchases:
See (Google Translated): https://www-contrapunto-com-sv.translate.goog/btc-76-millones-en-excedentes-supera-3-millones-capacitados/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=nui

The net summary from the above table places the bookkeeping numbers with a 7.6M $ unrealized benefit as of 31/10/2021. Considering those, the Government seems to be drawing USD from the Trust, and using it to pay for a pet clinic, and just recently announced, 20 schools for the country, all while the bookkeeping balance meets the minimum of 150M $. We can see the accounting risk here right ?

Note: Actually reading to get the context goes a long way; much further than shooting blanks.


Title: Re: The president of El Salvador just bout 420 BTC!
Post by: Kasabus on November 02, 2021, 05:10:02 PM
By buying so much BTC then they are sure that the magic will happen for the future, and they are a country that is currently using BTC as a legitimate means of payment so what they are doing now is all well planned even though the risk they receive is very large but in this case the agreement of certain parties has been agreed then Nayib Bukele does not want to waste this opportunity for the benefit of his country, This is all done for the benefit of the country and prosperity in the future.

There's no magic here since eventhough how promising bitcoin in  terms of profitability for holding it for so many years still we have a huge risk that we might don't get the target price we set for future and sometimes a huge dumps will came and that can affect their economy but I'm sure he know on what he is doing since for sure he have experience advisers on his side and have a proper planning on what actions they need to do once the market collapsed on certain times.

I don't think they're just buying it for the sake of holding it; I believe it's to help their economy cycle since they legalized bitcoin, and I believe they'll offer it as a payment method just to get people to try it, or they're planning something big. Though, in terms of holding it, there is still a lot of risk because we don't know what will happen, but we should be prepared for losses as well as wins because there are times when it is dump. However, risking is the best option because you will know whether or not you will win.
Buying a lot of bitcoin could only mean a huge expense from the government's money so i really think that this has been well planned by the country's leaders. The risks is really big because the market's volatility could possibly create a huge drop of bitcoin price and they might end up losing their money in an instant.

However, if this big decision will possibly work in the near future, then it will also create a big progress in the country that will also benefit all its citizens. Although this is something to be fear of because of its win-lose scenario, but knowing bitcoin it will always end up into a a huge success.