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Title: Independent dicing
Post by: Wiwo on November 07, 2021, 11:26:59 AM
I have read online of the term independence dicing but the article did not cover a weather prospect that could build a body of knowledge in that article therefore making the topic void of information so I decided to share the topic here. What is your understanding of independent dice?


Title: Re: Independent dicing
Post by: iv4n on November 07, 2021, 11:46:52 AM
I have read online of the term independence dicing but the article did not cover a weather prospect that could build a body of knowledge in that article therefore making the topic void of information so I decided to share the topic here. What is your understanding of independent dice?

You should share the article, we would understand better what you want to ask.... like this it's a bit confusing! Do you mean something like this: Probability of rolling two dice: independent or not? https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/2346405/probability-of-rolling-two-dice-independent-or-not (https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/2346405/probability-of-rolling-two-dice-independent-or-not)?

One of the interesting answers:
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It should not matter if they rolled in two different cities and centuries as long as they are identical dice, independent rolls and are unaffected by any external forces unique to the location/time. – user1952500 Jul 4 '17 at 17:30

If you check the link you will find other answers and some calculations...

Or you wanted to ask about this:

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What does it mean when we say dice rolls are independent?
When the events do not affect one another, they are known as independent events. Independent events can include repeating an action like rolling dice more than once or using two different random elements, such as flipping a coin and spinning a spinner.

In this case, it's easy to understand the independent roll/spin/throw...  independent means that the result is not determined by previous ones! So the chances for getting a "six" when you throw dice is 1/6... you can believe that after 5 misses the next throw will be 6, but that 6 throw is independent of previous results, you can miss 10 times, 20 times...


Title: Re: Independent dicing
Post by: RILWAN on November 07, 2021, 01:27:40 PM
Share the link to the article because most write up on social media and forum are constructed by members who have no or little knowledge about the subject matters. Independent dice may be a term used for a probably fair system.


Title: Re: Independent dicing
Post by: dimonstration on November 07, 2021, 01:34:37 PM
I have read online of the term independence dicing but the article did not cover a weather prospect that could build a body of knowledge in that article therefore making the topic void of information so I decided to share the topic here. What is your understanding of independent dice?

I don't know what topic you are referring but one thing I'm sure about dice game. Its result is always independent and can't be affected by the past and future rolls if this topic is pertaining on the result. But if the probably fair system then it really needs the reference article for basis of the content for the sake of discussion. Independent dice topic is pretty rare to see here since dice game mechanics is simple and easy to understand. Application of additional rules on its mechanics is very impossible since it was design for a win-lose game.


Title: Re: Independent dicing
Post by: batang_bitcoin on November 07, 2021, 01:41:02 PM
I have read online of the term independence dicing but the article did not cover a weather prospect that could build a body of knowledge in that article therefore making the topic void of information so I decided to share the topic here. What is your understanding of independent dice?
Never heard about independent dicing.

~snip~
This is also the result that showed when I've researched for the word independent dicing. It seems really like related to probability and if OP just forgotten the term probability then it should be it. But he has to be clear what he's talking about the subject that has been brought.


Title: Re: Independent dicing
Post by: romero121 on November 07, 2021, 01:52:19 PM
I haven't come across the term independent dicing. From the term it looks like the dicing script is independent, which in my understanding seems to be developed over the artificial intelligence. As of now thats the only thing that hasn't got implemented on the dice gambling.


Title: Re: Independent dicing
Post by: YOSHIE on November 07, 2021, 03:02:05 PM
What is your understanding of independent dice?
The understanding of course there must be what else you mention about the dice game, there are several things that must be understood first throw and see the results of the numbers that come out, that's my understanding in dice game, the problem is about: (independent), that's what makes me ???????.

I try to read and see here: Independent dice game Event probability. (https://www.softschools.com/math/topics/probability_of_independent_events/), but the general explanation, maybe without realizing we make dice gambling bets already doing what is called independent, maybe.

In another article the story is the same but: Probability and Statistics (https://www.shmoop.com/probability-statistics/independent-dependent-events.html) different, maybe you can try to have a look there.


Title: Re: Independent dicing
Post by: fiulpro on November 07, 2021, 05:04:17 PM
I have read online of the term independence dicing but the article did not cover a weather prospect that could build a body of knowledge in that article therefore making the topic void of information so I decided to share the topic here. What is your understanding of independent dice?

When we talk about Independent dice games, the name itself is very much broad therefore one cannot pin point what you are asking here.

Maybe you are asking about : Rolling two dices at once ??
The probability of them rolling independently? ( Regards to their outcome)

If that is the case I do believe it would be wise to learn a thing or two about permutations and combinations, that way you can very easily get the whole idea of the game and see if it's worth your time and money.

Other than what I think about it ?
- Well obviously dice games are interesting and when we talk about their probability it can be controlled more or so at some sites which I do enjoy a lot of times since this gives me advantage to play safely.

A little to know about the two dice game :
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To Play: The players take turns to roll both dice, they can roll as many times as they want in one turn. A player scores the sum of the two dice thrown and gradually reaches a higher score as they continue to roll. If a single number 1 is thrown on either die, the score for that whole turn is lost.

( Taken from google )


Title: Re: Independent dicing
Post by: ralle14 on November 07, 2021, 06:41:54 PM
So it's basically like playing dice at two different crypto casinos ? It kind of reminds me of the roulette tables from Evolution where they'd have this lobby with 12 roulette tables playing at the same time.

As what the others mentioned why not share the article you've read. From my view independent dicing seems like a dice site with several players throwing dice all at once and getting different results (common, uncommon, rare, etc).


Title: Re: Independent dicing
Post by: Tellek Garing on November 07, 2021, 07:53:09 PM
This is the first time am hearing the word independent gambling I have made some Google search and could not fine any relevant information on this subject matters. I guest the ops should include a link to the article so as to give us better understanding.


Title: Re: Independent dicing
Post by: harizen on November 07, 2021, 08:33:48 PM
I have read online of the term independence dicing but the article did not cover a weather prospect that could build a body of knowledge in that article therefore making the topic void of information so I decided to share the topic here. What is your understanding of independent dice?

To sort this thing out, the question should be asked to you, what is your understanding about independent dice? The term catches your attention so give us a brief detail about your general knowledge about independence dicing or whatever it calls.

If we will see your own thought about the subject, we might can give a much better response.


Title: Re: Independent dicing
Post by: Oasisman on November 07, 2021, 09:01:05 PM
I have read online of the term independence dicing but the article did not cover a weather prospect that could build a body of knowledge in that article therefore making the topic void of information so I decided to share the topic here. What is your understanding of independent dice?

It could've been easy to understand If you have provided the link for us to read what the term is all about.
I honestly have no idea what independent dicing is, but hearing that word makes me think it's a kind of game where multiple players play at the same event with each of them holding 2 or 3 dices and throw it at once. Who ever hits the specific number without going over or under will win.

If you could actually edit the post and provide the link, maybe some of us here can give you answers.


Title: Re: Independent dicing
Post by: agustina2 on November 07, 2021, 09:08:03 PM
I have read online of the term independence dicing but the article did not cover a weather prospect that could build a body of knowledge in that article therefore making the topic void of information so I decided to share the topic here. What is your understanding of independent dice?

Like others here, I'm also confused about independent dicing.

Do you mean if dice are being controlled or not when being thrown? Here in our country, there's a gambling game that involves dice. It's believed that the result can't be controlled and for me, even I will think seriously, there's no way our dice will be controlled when rolling.

We will wait for your post reply.


Title: Re: Independent dicing
Post by: sovie on November 07, 2021, 09:22:40 PM
From what I found on the internet, the explanation why we are all confused may be that the term "independent dice" is about mathematical problem, not about gambling.

However, I am sure that without the article that OP says we will not be able to answer correctly.


Title: Re: Independent dicing
Post by: chaser15 on November 07, 2021, 09:45:12 PM
From what I found on the internet, the explanation why we are all confused may be that the term "independent dice" is about mathematical problem, not about gambling.

However, I am sure that without the article that OP says we will not be able to answer correctly.

What is the link you have found? Disregarding that, can you explain instead what OP is trying to point out? I also have my own version of research but I ended up on some algorithms on which I was confused.

Generally, I don't know and understand what OP is trying to deliver.


Title: Re: Independent dicing
Post by: sovie on November 07, 2021, 10:21:10 PM
From what I found on the internet, the explanation why we are all confused may be that the term "independent dice" is about mathematical problem, not about gambling.

However, I am sure that without the article that OP says we will not be able to answer correctly.

What is the link you have found? Disregarding that, can you explain instead what OP is trying to point out? I also have my own version of research but I ended up on some algorithms on which I was confused.

Generally, I don't know and understand what OP is trying to deliver.

This is exactly what I wanted to say. I think OP got it wrong and instead of reading about gambling strategies, he found an article related to algorithms and a math problem.

Until we see the source of his question, i.e. the article, I think we will not be able to understand what he is really asking us.


Title: Re: Independent dicing
Post by: Zilon on November 07, 2021, 10:31:21 PM
Do you mean a dice that are been rolled separately or independently? If this is it then what knowledge do you seek because your thread is staring up different confusion some clearity will be needed before you can access the information you seek. If there could be a link I think it's nice you add it up


Title: Re: Independent dicing
Post by: Tellek Garing on November 08, 2021, 04:53:38 AM
Do you mean a dice that are been rolled separately or independently? If this is it then what knowledge do you seek because your thread is staring up different confusion some clearity will be needed before you can access the information you seek. If there could be a link I think it's nice you add it up
I believe the owner of this thread will update us with more information and link to the article for clarity sake because a lot of us are getting confused with what the ops really want. But a think the information will not be far from probability system and how the result of dice are independent without house interest on the outcome of the result.


Title: Re: Independent dicing
Post by: sovie on November 08, 2021, 05:03:21 AM
Do you mean a dice that are been rolled separately or independently? If this is it then what knowledge do you seek because your thread is staring up different confusion some clearity will be needed before you can access the information you seek. If there could be a link I think it's nice you add it up
I believe the owner of this thread will update us with more information and link to the article for clarity sake because a lot of us are getting confused with what the ops really want. But a think the information will not be far from probability system and how the result of dice are independent without house interest on the outcome of the result.

Independent dicing is definitely about probability, but I don't think it has much to do with gambling in practice.
I think the article that OP found is about independent events or even more close to mutual independence: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independence_(probability_theory)#Mutual_independence


Title: Re: Independent dicing
Post by: izsara on November 08, 2021, 05:33:15 AM
I searched from several sources that can indeed be used as references but things like this still seem to be taboo and not common among gamblers because even few people know about this.
on the other hand there is nothing that can be used as a reference in this case related to the formula that seems quite complicated and the mathematics that is the reference.
but even this kind of thing can't really be used as a reference because things like this also go back to speculation and don't lead to certain things.


Title: Re: Independent dicing
Post by: davis196 on November 08, 2021, 06:35:46 AM
I've searched Google for the term "independent dicing" and the results are very confusing.
There's something about "independent dicing systems" on the website semiconductor-today.com,but I don't want to visit that website,because it looks suspicious.
OP,you should elaborate more on the topic and post the link to the article about this subject.
Dicing as a word has a double meaning.It can refer to the process of playing dice games,but it also means a culinary knife,that is being used to cut vegetables,meat,fish and fruits.That's why Google is sending confusing results,when I type the term "dicing".





Title: Re: Independent dicing
Post by: AicecreaME on November 08, 2021, 03:47:35 PM
I have read online of the term independence dicing but the article did not cover a weather prospect that could build a body of knowledge in that article therefore making the topic void of information so I decided to share the topic here. What is your understanding of independent dice?

I don't know what topic you are referring but one thing I'm sure about dice game. Its result is always independent and can't be affected by the past and future rolls if this topic is pertaining on the result. But if the probably fair system then it really needs the reference article for basis of the content for the sake of discussion. Independent dice topic is pretty rare to see here since dice game mechanics is simple and easy to understand. Application of additional rules on its mechanics is very impossible since it was design for a win-lose game.

I agree.

You only have to look for gambling sites that offers a fair house edge in order to play games that you like. Dice game doesn't need anything asides from luck itself, since it is random generated type of game, unlike poker and other strategic game. Well, if we are going to take it literally, the "Independent dicing", it is really independent since you are alone playing it by yourself, unless you have friends with you coaching you how to outsmart the house.


Title: Re: Independent dicing
Post by: Lakai01 on November 08, 2021, 05:27:53 PM
You only have to look for gambling sites that offers a fair house edge in order to play games that you like.
I would like to mention btcgosu.com here. The site compares many different online casinos and also lists the respective House Edge:

https://i.postimg.cc/25wfm5cj/screenshot-43.png (http://postimg.cc/wt7rQ9Yn)
Source (https://www.btcgosu.com/bitcoin-dice-sites-comparer/)

This way, you don't have to search for the information about which casino offers the best House Edge conditions yourself. I can highly recommend BTCGosu.com in general, they also rate the casinos and launch special promotions every now and then where you can get free rolls, for example.


Title: Re: Independent dicing
Post by: Wiwo on November 11, 2021, 03:48:06 PM
You only have to look for gambling sites that offers a fair house edge in order to play games that you like.
I would like to mention btcgosu.com here. The site compares many different online casinos and also lists the respective House Edge:

https://i.postimg.cc/25wfm5cj/screenshot-43.png (http://postimg.cc/wt7rQ9Yn)
Source (https://www.btcgosu.com/bitcoin-dice-sites-comparer/)

This way, you don't have to search for the information about which casino offers the best House Edge conditions yourself. I can highly recommend BTCGosu.com in general, they also rate the casinos and launch special promotions every now and then where you can get free rolls, for example.
Thanks for this information as it serve as a guide in choosing which site to bet on and what are the house edge and the probably fair system of the sites.
Those that offer bankroll investment e.g Bustadice and stake this are the reputable gambling sites am playing on right now.


Title: Re: Independent dicing
Post by: worldofcoins on November 11, 2021, 07:37:13 PM
So it's basically like playing dice at two different crypto casinos ? It kind of reminds me of the roulette tables from Evolution where they'd have this lobby with 12 roulette tables playing at the same time.

As what the others mentioned why not share the article you've read. From my view independent dicing seems like a dice site with several players throwing dice all at once and getting different results (common, uncommon, rare, etc).

Yea I've seen that roulette table game from Evolution.

Independent dicing in my view is a game like primedice or other dice games where a player has his own independent hash and bets against the casino.
Whereas dependent dicing seems to be what you're saying.


Title: Re: Independent dicing
Post by: johhnyUA on November 12, 2021, 09:41:57 PM
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What does it mean when we say dice rolls are independent?
When the events do not affect one another, they are known as independent events. Independent events can include repeating an action like rolling dice more than once or using two different random elements, such as flipping a coin and spinning a spinner.

In this case, it's easy to understand the independent roll/spin/throw...  independent means that the result is not determined by previous ones! So the chances for getting a "six" when you throw dice is 1/6... you can believe that after 5 misses the next throw will be 6, but that 6 throw is independent of previous results, you can miss 10 times, 20 times...

Yep, very close, but i want a little addition. You described a typical case of Gambler's Fallacy. We should understand, that 1/6 happens in very big space of outcomes. This more like statical probability, which means that if we throw 10000 times, the number of "6" will ralated to all throws as 1 / 6.
But in few throws such interconnection will not work.


Title: Re: Independent dicing
Post by: Johnyz on November 12, 2021, 09:45:24 PM
I have read online of the term independence dicing but the article did not cover a weather prospect that could build a body of knowledge in that article therefore making the topic void of information so I decided to share the topic here. What is your understanding of independent dice?
Mind to share the articles since I’m also curious about this independent dice game.
Maybe this is just like playing on your own using the site, meaning you throw the dice and wait for its result, I’m not sure though but will get myself updated on this thread to see more details about this.


Title: Re: Independent dicing
Post by: goaldigger on November 12, 2021, 09:50:52 PM
I have read online of the term independence dicing but the article did not cover a weather prospect that could build a body of knowledge in that article therefore making the topic void of information so I decided to share the topic here. What is your understanding of independent dice?
Mind to share the articles since I’m also curious about this independent dice game.
Maybe this is just like playing on your own using the site, meaning you throw the dice and wait for its result, I’m not sure though but will get myself updated on this thread to see more details about this.
As I can see on Google, independent dice games are throwing your own dice not sure as well if its a correct source but if this is true, I wonder how it works on crypto gambling site. Independent dice maybe should not be affected by the other dice, its confusing since OP didn’t share any article at all so its hard to speculate here, waiting for the update of OP as well.