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Title: People should be aware
Post by: Abcdefghijklmnzzz on November 16, 2021, 04:48:04 PM
Forum administrators read the messages you send to other users.

I sent a private message to another user about deleted posts and minutes later several dozen of my posts were deleted by the 'administrator'.

Be careful with any private messages you send on this forum.


Title: Re: People should be aware
Post by: jackg on November 16, 2021, 04:53:41 PM
What's the chance this was a coincidence?

There is a disclaimer on the messages tab that says the content of PMs might not remain private and you should find other ways to encrypt/transmit personal data - though I doubt the mods with privileges to access it would bother to do so.


Title: Re: People should be aware
Post by: NeuroticFish on November 16, 2021, 04:55:10 PM
Be careful with any private messages you send on this forum.

While I can't say anything about the relationship between the two actions (imho they may be very well unrelated, but I don't know enough details for a proper opinion), I can say something else:
at the bottom of the Send Message form is clearly written down:

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Note: PM privacy is not guaranteed. Encrypt sensitive messages.

I should conclude that you failed to read that bit of information? :D


Title: Re: People should be aware
Post by: BlackHatCoiner on November 16, 2021, 04:56:30 PM
I sent a private message to another user about deleted posts and minutes later several dozen of my posts were deleted by the 'administrator'.
And does that mean that they read your messages? This means that the dozen of your posts are against the rules. Would you mind telling us what exactly you told them “about deleted posts” that made you conclude they're spying on you?

Be careful with any private messages you send on this forum.
If you feel your messages are sensitive, you should encrypt them. The forum says that your personal messages' privacy isn't guaranteed.


Title: Re: People should be aware
Post by: RapTarX on November 16, 2021, 05:02:20 PM
though I doubt the mods with privileges to access it would bother to do so.
Only admin can probably see the message if they want to while Global mod or any other mod will only be able to see a message which has been reported. I have bolded the word "Reported". Reported messages can only be seen by respective moderators. I doubt any admin would interfere with anyone's private message as they barely have anything to do with them.
Either way, anyone sending sensitive data should be concerned that bitcointalk account can be hacked & your private information can be leaked as well.

No, we can't directly read PMs, just ones that are reported directly to us.


Title: Re: People should be aware
Post by: Charles-Tim on November 16, 2021, 07:05:00 PM
I sent a private message to another user about deleted posts and minutes later several dozen of my posts were deleted by the 'administrator'.
Although, my comment is not about sending or not sending message on this forum, but about the reason you think admin or moderator deleted your posts. Did you think admin or moderator deleted many of your posts because you sent pm to someone about deleted posts or something? This is obviously not the reason. Posts are deleted if seen as spam and not worthy to remain on thus forum, know that such posts would have been reported by some forum users. Improve your posting quality.


Title: Re: People should be aware
Post by: Welsh on November 16, 2021, 07:06:28 PM
I doubt that the admins would have enough time in the day to monitor all the the personal messages being sent on the forum, and would be a waste of time in the majority of cases. Unless, they particularly like drama, but then they could just go watch the soaps.

If you're concerned about them reading your messages, then encrypt your messages.
What's the chance this was a coincidence?
Very likely.

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Note: PM privacy is not guaranteed. Encrypt sensitive messages.

I should conclude that you failed to read that bit of information? :D
Although, I get your point. I've always seen this as admins may look at personal messages when required, after all every forum or website I can think of has access to the information, unless there's some sort of forum that automatically encrypts it, but I don't think that exists.

Anyway, they likely only actually monitor it when it's reported as the quote from Hilariousandco indicates, and probably special legal cases. For example, theymos responding to a police data request.


Title: Re: People should be aware
Post by: NotATether on November 16, 2021, 08:28:34 PM
It is possible that:

a) the user you sent the PM to reported all those posts and got them deleted, or
b) coincidentally, some random user you were arguing with earlier on a thread somewhere reported all those posts.

It is highly unlikely that admin reports such posts himself, he has no time for that.


Title: Re: People should be aware
Post by: Igebotz on November 16, 2021, 10:09:06 PM
I doubt the mods with privileges to access it would bother to do so.
I was thinking the same thing, especially for someone who isn't established like the OP; the recipients of the messages he sent are likely to have marked/reported them as spam, and I doubt theymos have a chance passing through forum PMs. He previously stated that he has not read any Satoshi PMs till date, and this inky demonstrates that he respects the privacy of others..


Title: Re: People should be aware
Post by: PrimeNumber7 on November 16, 2021, 10:12:52 PM
What's the chance this was a coincidence?
The OP (and others) were posting about posts being deleted in a thrad (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=209508.5800) in the altcoin section. I would note that complaints about moderation in any thread except for those in meta are automatically off-topic.

My guess is something along the following happened:
1 - The OP wrote in the above thread about posts being deleted.
2 - Around the same time as [1], the OP sent someone a PM about posts being deleted
3 - Someone reported the OP's posts, either for violating the multi-posting rule (which he also appears to have violated), or for discussing complaints about moderation outside of meta.
4 - A moderator deleted the OP's posts.

I think it is likely that all 4 of the above probably happened around the same time. If the OP was posting about the moderation, he was likely also PM'ing about it (if he was to send any PMs about it) around the same time. I think all of the events have a correlation. It should also go without saying that correlation =/= causation.


Title: Re: People should be aware
Post by: lovesmayfamilis on November 17, 2021, 06:18:49 AM
OP, you are exaggerating your importance on the forum, to the point that it is your messages in PM that are monitored every second. If you are sure that within minutes, your messages were deleted, probably someone consistently sent complaints to the moderators. And just at that moment, you decided to chat with someone in your account, although at the same moment, your posts were checked and deleted by moderators.
I looked at your deleted posts, it clearly says that all your replies did not correspond to the current topic, there is a warning, stick to the rules.

https://ninjastic.space/search?author=Abcdefghijklmnzzz&board=159

Therefore, stop thinking of yourself as a deeply watched agent in a forum where thousands of people participate every day.


Title: Re: People should be aware
Post by: LoyceV on November 17, 2021, 08:07:12 AM
my posts were deleted
Any chance they broke the rules (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0)?

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Title: Re: People should be aware
Post by: YOSHIE on November 17, 2021, 09:16:30 AM
Forum administrators read the messages you send to other users.
if, hallucinations your about private messages are true or not, but the Admin doesn't have time to read your messages and neither me nor other users here, there are thousands of messages every day that are sent by users to other users and never think of hallucinations as you think, note: Bitcointalk admin is not the type of person who likes to read other members private messages, a lot of other work he has to do in forums or in real world.

your hallucinations are exaggerated, by chance you sent a message and at the same time your post was deleted, of course based on other user reports.

OP, Admin of course can read your private messages, if you message him, if you send other members, nothing to do with them, try to relax a bit, one degree of wine and one packet of popcorn included.


Title: Re: People should be aware
Post by: LoyceV on November 17, 2021, 09:36:32 AM
i should remind you that this forum use Cloudflare which can see traffic activity when you access this forum. I would recommend you to read these,
Or just this:
Cloudflare is very probably an NSA honeypot


Title: Re: People should be aware
Post by: Xal0lex on November 17, 2021, 11:01:02 AM
Forum administrators read the messages you send to other users.

This is known a long time ago :)

Only me, Gavin, Satoshi, and Sirius are supposed to be able to access the database directly, which is required for reading PMs. MagicalTux and anyone else with access to the server (hosting staff, etc.) could technically read PMs, though they shouldn't.


Title: Re: People should be aware
Post by: hilariousandco on November 17, 2021, 11:20:00 AM
What's the chance this was a coincidence?

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/A7RIRIUuwK4/hqdefault.jpg

Be careful as you are becoming enlightened. The illuminati read everybody's messages on the internet.

There's several reports for your making multi posts so that's probably why.


Title: Re: People should be aware
Post by: Spontaneous on November 17, 2021, 12:00:46 PM
It is obvious that admins will saw all the messages transacted per user to user.
Not just here in our Forum that our administrator saw our messages. Cause if you are admin of the site or founder you must know all the private and  public messages in order to be safe from scammers not only for scammer but all user who plans bad and against the rules and regulations about your site.


Title: Re: People should be aware
Post by: hilariousandco on November 17, 2021, 12:26:22 PM
It is obvious that admins will saw all the messages transacted per user to user.
Not just here in our Forum that our administrator saw our messages. Cause if you are admin of the site or founder you must know all the private and  public messages in order to be safe from scammers not only for scammer but all user who plans bad and against the rules and regulations about your site.

Lol. This doesn't happen. The forum doesn't even moderate scams.


Title: Re: People should be aware
Post by: GeorgeJohn on November 17, 2021, 06:15:21 PM
It is obvious that admins will saw all the messages transacted per user to user.
Not just here in our Forum that our administrator saw our messages. Cause if you are admin of the site or founder you must know all the private and  public messages in order to be safe from scammers not only for scammer but all user who plans bad and against the rules and regulations about your site.
How do you think what you said can be actualize, i think only person that overseas all the private interactions of users can be theymos only, or they will be a bot launched or database  to be create by any user that can carry out a data of every private conversations here, and that can be enable to detect those scammers that duped people in the community here, but in the aspect of moderators, i don't think they have such database generally. Except individual concern.


Title: Re: People should be aware
Post by: KingsDen on November 17, 2021, 08:41:23 PM
It is possible that:

a) the user you sent the PM to reported all those posts and got them deleted, or
b) coincidentally, some random user you were arguing with earlier on a thread somewhere reported all those posts.
What you stated is actually what happened. Especially the number 2.
Some users are so obsessed that they will always be right in any argument, especially some high ranking members.
If you do not agree with their opinion, they will have to report the post to make sure they are deleted. Once the report is coming from a regular reporter who is reputable, the moderator will not give it a second thought.
I think @Lovesmayfamilis did it to me yesterday, and about 4 of my posts were deleted, as if it was not enough he went further to tag me.
If I could be tagged for nothing, that means if my account commits semi-plagerism, I will not last more than 2sesc in the forum.
God please save your people o...


Title: Re: People should be aware
Post by: OgNasty on November 17, 2021, 10:38:25 PM
Forum administrators read the messages you send to other users.

I sent a private message to another user about deleted posts and minutes later several dozen of my posts were deleted by the 'administrator'.

Be careful with any private messages you send on this forum.

If you think the forum administrators are bad, wait until you learn about the NSA… Never think anything you do online is private or secret. It’s not. Government just doesn’t have the time or manpower yet to punish everyone for their activity. I suspect AI will change this in the future, but for now enjoy the freedom that strength in numbers provides and stop whining about the obvious.


Title: Re: People should be aware
Post by: lovesmayfamilis on November 18, 2021, 05:55:53 AM
It is possible that:

a) the user you sent the PM to reported all those posts and got them deleted, or
b) coincidentally, some random user you were arguing with earlier on a thread somewhere reported all those posts.
What you stated is actually what happened. Especially the number 2.
Some users are so obsessed that they will always be right in any argument, especially some high ranking members.
If you do not agree with their opinion, they will have to report the post to make sure they are deleted. Once the report is coming from a regular reporter who is reputable, the moderator will not give it a second thought.
I think @Lovesmayfamilis did it to me yesterday, and about 4 of my posts were deleted, as if it was not enough he went further to tag me.
If I could be tagged for nothing, that means if my account commits semi-plagerism, I will not last more than 2sesc in the forum.
God please save your people o...

Again, you think a lot about your importance to me. I warned you, you did not hear. But note that my messages were also deleted, as I was forced to explain to you twice that you were wrong. But you still don't get it. The moderators themselves made the right conclusions by removing all unnecessary messages from the topic two years ago.
I did not report your posts, so do not make yourself a victim, for which someone is constantly hunting.  :o :o :o


Title: Re: People should be aware
Post by: LoyceV on November 18, 2021, 06:54:20 AM
Some users are so obsessed that they will always be right in any argument, especially some high ranking members.
If you do not agree with their opinion, they will have to report the post to make sure they are deleted.
That's not how reporting works: posts aren't deleted if don't break the forum rules. If you already know for instance that your argument is off-topic, you could have created a new topic for it.

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Once the report is coming from a regular reporter who is reputable, the moderator will not give it a second thought.
Then why do I have 92 bad and 294 unhandled reports? Let me answer that: Mods follow their own judgement.

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I think @Lovesmayfamilis did it to me yesterday, and about 4 of my posts were deleted
If you believe those posts shouldn't have been deleted, you should present your case in a new topic in Meta.


Title: Re: People should be aware
Post by: KingsDen on November 18, 2021, 10:48:13 AM
Again, you think a lot about your importance to me. I warned you, you did not hear. But note that my messages were also deleted, as I was forced to explain to you twice that you were wrong. But you still don't get it. The moderators themselves made the right conclusions by removing all unnecessary messages from the topic two years ago.
I did not report your posts, so do not make yourself a victim, for which someone is constantly hunting.  :o :o :o

Sometimes, it's good to speak out than harbour. Within me I was 100% convinced that you reported my posts. I'm very sorry for the wrong accusation.
Now, that the subject matter (Res) is deleted, can you please remove the tag on my profile. Thanks in anticipation.


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I think @Lovesmayfamilis did it to me yesterday, and about 4 of my posts were deleted
If you believe those posts shouldn't have been deleted, you should present your case in a new topic in Meta.
I am not that much concerned when my posts are deleted. Though I saw that last during my newbie days, except this recent one.
What I tried doing those days was to try reply the private message to let the sender tell me the kind of messages that goes against the forum standard  ;D
Personlly, I don't think deleted posts worth creating a new topic.