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Btc price sideways move not what traders want.
Trading should and must work only one way one direction.
Short or LONG
Perhaps something for SEC to deal with the finance regulaters want to regulate...well here thing they can regulate now need to stop sideways moves on the markets.
Solution here: we make CME work everyday not just sunday to friday !!
Reason why as we know when market goes one direction we earn profit with leverage one way but if sideways then its hard to use futures trading

For start let those regulaters sec and those kind of guys who eating donuts do it something useful for traders.
Every trader want this

There's a reason why leverage exists; so traders can actually increase upside/downside even if prices are fairly flat.

And in the first place— while traders are an important aspect of markets(for liquidity, etc), everything doesn't and shouldn't revolve around them.

Sorry for the clichéd response, but you can't always get what you want.  Sometimes it's about making the best you can with what you've got.

Also, you can't regulate against sideways movements.  Price discovery doesn't work like that.  It's not a market if someone's pulling strings to reach your desired outcome.  You're probably not going to be a particularly successful trader if you think in those sorts of terms. 


Market rigging is bad, mmmkay?

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dude some scalping trading still can earn money while the market is sideway  ;) but yeah we maybe need further confirmation like breakout or something to get know where the bitcoin will be

It depends on yourself and your trading style and strategy, if you don't use the leveraged mode and usually aim for normal trades you will have some problems whenever the price is dong a complex or sideway movement but for the people, who are scalpers and they usually use leveraged mode on the exchanges, the sideway market is the best situation to have static support and resistance and try to do mini trades between these two areas however using leveraged mode usually can cost you an extra fee and surly you will need to have a proper risk management plan otherwise you will lose a lot.

Without leverage all is pointless leverage makes point.
Crypto is here for giving profit otherwize no point of crypto.

How can they become a good trader if no sideways will happen, not just on Bitcoin but on other coins as well? That's why they are called traders in the first place. Don't get too technical just because something didn't happen the way you want. That's the challenge for you to make profits out of trading in any given situation.

Even with any trend, you can still make profits. Just enhance and improve your skills.

*facepalm*

I think you'll find it does have other uses.  Stick around, read a few topics outside of the Trading Discussion boards and take some time to learn.

That will never happen because if the price just moves in upwards or downwards direction the it will be relatively easy to predict the trend.
If it becomes easy to predict the trend then it will become highly volatile since everyone will be doing the same thing.
The pump and dump will take place in huge fluctuations and to be honest we cannot really control the market movements.
It has to occur naturally so that traders can do analysis on real movements and not regulated manipulations.

I agree with that because the point of scalping trading is to buy low and sell high so, at this moment, we can hope that we can buy low and sell high many times. But if he does not have many skills to do fast analysis to determine the low price and high price, maybe he does not have to use scalping trading to make money because he will have a chance to lose his money. It is better to hold on for a while to see what will happen with the market to decide what we need to do later.

If you only mean two directions then how can you explain the current state of the market movement? irrational? don't you understand all trading cycles as a whole?
Every indicator of a sideways movement like this always occurs if the price has reached ATH. This is quite natural and even if you watch now the price is starting to make a fulcrum.

I can say as a trade, "It is not always the best time to trade, there is always opportunity".
If your technique or analysis to trade is not on sideways, like swing trading, supports, and resistances, then sideways is not your cup of tea.
There are also some traders who are sideways with the power of leverage of course and they are killing it.

Now price of bitcoin was started to increase again. People should know about the pump and dump time in bitcoin. Since Ninety percentage of altcoin was depend on the price of bitcoin. Even after the Binance Smart chain also, the dependency of altcoin was on bitcoin.Because mostly traded cryptocurrency in the market was bitcoin.It was not changed, even after the price of bitcoin transaction fee was raised huge.

This is why you have to know your core and have strategy, you can’t always trade and follow the market sometimes you just have to timing the market to be more profitable. Sideways might not be ok with you but with other traders, they like it and they are ready for the possible risk. The market can’t always go the way you want it, be more flexible to adopt changes.

What do traders want actually? Always uptrend? It won't happen nor a traders should expect. Pro traders even would make a profit during the dump. This is how trading works actually. If there isn't volatility then you can't enjoy trading. And what's wrong with the current market? Seems good to me. Bitcoin seems stable above $50K, till then everything is good to me. As long as Bitcoin does not dump below $40K we can't say market behavior isn't good at all. Any coin including Bitcoin shouldn't just pump continuously anyway. Let's be realistic.

I don’t think Bitcoin is trading sideways now. If you want to see how Bitcoin trades side ways look at the entire 2015 year or look at early 2019. Just because it has a few inside bar days then it’s not considered a sideways market.

However I agree that sideways markets are difficult to trade. Obviously bullish markets are the easiest to trade. Then there are bear markets however those are usually shorter and more difficult than bull markets. But the worst is sideways markets where it’s usually the exchange and market makers who are pulling in most of the money those days.

Well, that'd be dumb if the market always moved to what you wanted. Sure, if you're part of the only demand of that certain market, it would always go what you want since you're alone, but you're merely a part of the ocean. Everyone has different mindsets in that specific ocean, even if they have the same goal of profiting, that same goal of profiting means that someone else is actually losing money no? And besides,as others have said, leveraging exists and I'd guess that a lot of traders have made a killing out of it (the same could be said for the opposite though).

Market wasn't predictable since from the beginning and its indeed a pain in the ass on seeing the market doesn't really have some movement or simply moving sideways which it is really hard to decide on what position you would make and also not all traders are really that patient enough that's why experience do really matters on these kind of situations.

Whether you do decide to standby still or would make out some moves which isn't really that necessary but its up something you do take.So its a matter of choice but I do

agree on the fact that even myself do really hate up on seeing sideways movement or on consolidation state.

It's like he wanted to SEC to do something so the market will have one direction. If the market works that way, we all might just be in the futures trading like it's an easy-peasy walk on the park. The market can be predictable sometimes but most of the time, it's not for the traders who are not prepared to watch the chart all the time.

Price isn't going sideways. To me, it's just going down actually but I'm not into futures or leverage trading.

No price is not moving one way or sideways because traders are still making profit all that matters is spotting your order. The market is still buying and selling as demand and supply is operating. Orders for buy and sell are still pending despite the correction after two days. SEC or no Sec regulation can't change market direction to be stable because the regulation can't stop demand and supply or volatility. When you make order for buy at same time another trader is selling to you.  If the market is in sideways we still identify waves which is certainly the changes in price.

And I think this is the main reason why noobs lost big money in crypto market because they always think that can make lots of profit in short amount of time.

On the contrary, if the pattern is moving sideways then why not take the opportunity to buy bitcoin again? Isn't it this is one of the first rule in the market? BTFD, I guess everyone is really focus on the expectations that the price will hit 6 digits at the end of the year. And they are all just waiting for it to happen.

Sideways is very hard to analyse reason most traders don't like that kind of situation. Especially those traders who preferred long term, because if you look in a higher time frame its a consolidation and you don't know yet if it will gonna break out above or below. Clueless for short. Lol that's why i don't like it as well wherein much better to find another coin that showing a good structure because if you trade in it there's a chance of losses,  but unless if you're doing intraday because you can gain quick profits from it wherein only need is support and resistance where you can buy and sell for how many times.  :D

LOL this is some peak crypto stuff right here. Sounds like we need another brutal bear market.

If you only want to focus on profit and don't want to use leverage, then go trade the thousands and thousands of available altcoins on exchanges. No one is really forcing you to stick with BTC.

The trader is pulling up and down their favorite coins and if you are a trader and cant decide on the market trend better to wait for the proper signal than have the risk on it. Some people make a trade with this small movement and they put some leverage so even though it's just a small amount of trade but the higher the leverage the higher the chance of profit. If you are having doubt with the sideways wait for the right time this is the reason why we have our technical indicators to give a hint or early signals.

If btc goes sideways it is a very good point for entry in altcoins. It means that alt coins are getting stable when btc price is moving in a range. So, now it's the same condition. Btc is moving near 60000$ and sometimes it touches 60000$. So, it's best time for alt coin season.

I would say that trying to make a bit of an action with these small gains is a very risky business because it could always drop as well, we do not know what it will do and how it could be reflected into the leveraged trades as well.

If you do a very high leverage for these small movements, it could very well be a small drop when you are long or a small increase when you are short and could hurt you a lot. Leverage during big times is even riskier but at least it makes sense, you are doing something that is beneficial for you at a level where you gain a lot of profit. Small movements are both risky but also even with leverage doesn't justify the risk you are taking.

It is very difficult to determine what the trader wants, because the trader is not interested in whether the Bitcoin rises or falls, the merchant's approach will always be that he will have to win whether the currency rises or falls, if the currency rises, the trader must win in that rise, and if the currency goes down the trader wins on the decline, I think that who wants the currency to go up all the time is the investor, the investor is interested in the currency growing in price so that he can guarantee that his investment is not compromised and have profit, some always expect the highest possible profit, even if they have to wait years, this is a matter of concept between investor and trader.

It all depends upon the market trend and the trend of the traders. Remember I always say that markets are always uncertain and no one can exactly predict the next step of the market. The rise and fall depend upon the behavior of traders.
Markets can never be controlled artificially. Also, in my opinion, the traders are more interested in scalping trading due to the fact of small quick profits.

the crypto market can go up and down at any time and sometimes it is not according to the wishes of traders. it's okay, it's a normal thing and as traders we must be able to handle it well and how to keep our assets safe and profitable in the future. not everything that we want can happen, we all hope that the crypto market is always good so that we can trade well and the results are also good. but not so, this ups and downs crypto market actually makes traders have to be more challenged and smart to take advantage of the moment.

I dont see the point or the favoritism of traders on a sideways or consolidation market knowing that there are no volatility or movement in price then i dont see for it to be that good looking since you couldnt really find any entry whether you do buy or sell because you would be having a hard time on telling on where the price
could possibly heads up.

I dont really prefer this kind of condition and i do rather see those high fluctuations yet you could really make out some positions and take
risk on making trades and get those considerable profits if you do succeed.

Actually profit can be made each and every time just it matter that what is the recent price of the coin. Perhaps you have purchase your coin at smaller worth but when few days later you see it the worth will be double therefore it is really fantastic for you. So it does not matter that price is sideways. Some people just focus on crypto signals but i think that not all of these can operate well.

You are really pushing it with your posts, what you say makes no sense, the majority of the markets spend most of their time going sideways, and a strong trend, whether it is upwards or downwards, is the exception and not the rule.

There is nothing to fix, this is not an issue and if you cannot obtain profits in the current market conditions then you are the one that needs to do something about it and change your strategy accordingly, and if you cannot do it then that is fine, you can just wait until the market begins to show a strong trend to trade the markets again.

It varies depending on what trader you are but having these sideways movement wont really bother out those scalpers out there which they dont really care about of being sideways because they could make out moves
on those price volatility which is really a very hard thing to do and this is why im not really that a fan of making scalps because this is something a very hard to be done if you arent that experienced enough.
On this case on where you do see these sideways movement or something that less in volatility then all the thing you do need to do is to wait up.

Honestly long term traders do not care about high volatility because it doesn't change much, they care about their entry point and they care about whenever they exit, many long term people who got in VERY early into bitcoin got out, they do not care if it is higher now.

Imagine you got in with 10k dollars back when it was just 100 dollars, you bought 100 bitcoins, now you sell and you have 5 million dollars, I am not entirely sure if people would care their 10k becoming 5 or 6 or 7 million. Sure that's a big change but they are already quite happy so that extra one million may not change so much. Which means there are some people who do not care if it goes sideways or highly volatile, for us, it's the same.

there are only a few people who are able to hold it and not sell it until now. But most people have targets below ATH. nowadays bitcoin is capable of achieving incredible and unpredictable ATH. high volatility will not affect long-term traders, because they enter at the lowest price and then sell according to their long-term target. ATH bitcoin will still happen again, Holders keep holding until now.

Why you are too much concerned about leverage? Because, you could make profit from crypto trading even without availing leverage. I agree in sideways market, you cannot make big profits still bitcoin market is giving enough movement to make profits for all day traders. Overall in my opinion, leverage here is simply out of context.

Like bullish trend and bearish trend sideways trend also part of every market hence no one could do anything about. You cannot expect market to move wildly at either direction; market also must need some rest ;D.

No worries indeed but if you do make yourself to be that hopeful then you would really get stressed out. :D

As a trader then expect the unexpected and this had been always the typical thing that you would experience in the market and based up on experience
then i do agree that moving sideways is the most hardest situation on where you do decide whether you do buy or sell specially if you arent seeing
those sentiments around then you would really be finding it to be a big problem.

I do not call that sideways market is the hardest part of bitcoin market for both traders and investors. Because, traders might love the range bound markets to buy and sell at same kind of levels to profits on daily basis whereas for investors who have been holding bitcoin for years definitely might have seen similar situations where bitcoin usually launch its bullish rally after a sideways market.

This is the reason always spot trading must be a good one for any trader. I have seen many cons of leveraged market and this time that is not a good to go with even for sideways market as well.

While I am not in favor of using leverage as I think people take too much risk when they do so, a ranging market that does not seem to be going anywhere seems like the perfect moment to use it.

After all the movements of a ranging market are limited and this puts a ceiling to the profits you can get as well, however if you use some leverage this can be more than enough to allow you to generate some profits during those conditions, which is not bad if we consider that many traders can only generate profits when the market is showing a strong trend.

When it comes on touching leverage on ranging or sideway movements in the market then i do find out on very risk move to make but there are some people who do see it as a perfect opportunity to get
but honestly this is the hardest part even you do know in indicators or technicals on where it could possibly go but still wont be an assurance and if you do compared out on
on a trending kind of situation then you could make out some confidence on making out such move but well this is really varying on someones risk taking thing
plus having good grasps and experience towards leverage.

Being a trader, we need to adapt to the market changes, and the more we become sensitive. Traders will prefer to have an active market where prices move up and down (as naturally, we see in crypto). If the market dump, traders will tend to relax or instead buy more and hold. Because a life of a trader is not always buying and selling, they also have to learn to hold. It wasn't a daring strategy for the traders but can't just avoid it since the market is not always bullish and we can also make a trade every day. That something it change depending on the market situation.

I would say you can predict the market trend to some extent seeing the trading charts and candlestick patterns but nobody could perfectly time it as the market may respond in unexpected ways which could pump or dump it directly so we need to be extra careful with it.We have to make plans according to the market sentiments not what we feel because there are lot of other factors which can deviate the market prices of any coin which doesn't include personal one's so keep that in mind.

At the same time, if the market should start going low, you’re still going to be the one to complain that the market has been going low. You know for sure that the market would not go high all the time, and since we have already seen it go up and now the bull run is over, if the market should steady keep going down are you going to be happy about that the sideways (or stable) price that you’re seeing now signifies that the market is growing and the demand is matching with the supply at the moment. There will always be time the market would go up, and there will be times it will go down and times for it to calm down and be stable.

Complaints would be a never ending story.

Pump -- THey would warn that dont get yourself about FOMO
Dump/Crash -- Its the end of crypto market
Sideways movement -- They dont like it because they couldnt make out sure position.

Wherever you do place yourself on such conditions, you would still really able to say something which it isnt surprising.
So as a trader then you should really be versatile.

No matter how good the results of our analysis of the movement of Bitcoin, there is still no guarantee that the predictions we make are 100%
accurate. That's why we really have to be careful when deciding whether to invest or trade Bitcoin, we have to plan well. Including preparing
a plan for the worst case scenario that will happen to the movement of Bitcoin, it could be that the price of Bitcoin fell very deep all of a sudden.
The key to success is how we make the right decisions, so it's not easy to invest or trade Bitcoin. But everything will be fine as long as we believe
in the future of Bitcoin, because we will be patient through the process to be able to make a profit from Bitcoin.

How about scalping in derivative markets with high leverage during sideways markets? Will not be profitable?
If you are concerned about high fees for frequent trading then I guess you must switch over to spot trading for sideways market conditions and then when you are making the higher number of trades, you may get better discounts in your fees.

No, if you are confident about the future of bitcoins then investing may not remain a harder one. But, trading bitcoin may never remain easier due to its high volatile nature hence sideways market are not a concern for most bitcoin traders as they have been used to such fluctuations in both long and short duration.

Complains about the movements of the market are very common, however right now people are complaining about the ranging market because they were expecting the bull run to speed up at December but it did not happen.

So people are disappointed that the market did not moved in the way they were expecting and are mad that instead we are seeing a ranging market, it seems they forget that ranging conditions are extremely common and all markets spend most of their time going nowhere with no strong trend, but when money is involved many people simply forget about things like that and only think about their own needs, not understanding the markets do not care at all about what they want or need.