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I saw many websites they are trading bitcointalk accounts.
example:
Link1 (https://www.playerup.com/accounts/bitcointalkaccount/)
Lnik2 (https://www.pinterest.com/pin/769623023798757433/)
I just wanna know that, is it legal to do in this forum ?!
I hope this questions answer could me to know about this related informations and others like me(Newbie)

The forum rules do not prevent you to trade or buy/selling an account. But is highly discouraged by the forum and by the community. Some DT members would tag sold accounts then the account wouldn't be useful for why you are buying. Most people buy accounts to take quick entry in the signature campaign, but if the sold account gets the tag from DT members, then it will just be useless and only can participate in the discussion.

Just for your information, most of the sold accounts discovering eventually and getting the tag. So it's not very easy to use sold account. Just build your account from the ground and learn.

It was recently discussed here: Bitcointalk Rules..Bend/Break (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5372193.msg58477427#msg58477427), which could serve to see different opinions on the matter (this is my particular intake on the matter: Re: Bitcointalk Rules..Bend/Break  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5372193.msg58477762#msg58477762)).

In short, you can, but read through the above thread to see some conceptual associated fine print, both from the ethical point of view and the practical on if caught (by some).

Reading through some of the links provided in the OP, I particularly like the degree of professionalism that some people take on:

Or the degree of creativity BS:

Or their farming capability:

A couple of them have enough info. to actually see which accounts they are on about, although you never know if the data is just for show and the account is not really theirs to begin with.

With a bit of luck, it should turn out to be a bad deal for both parties.

Thanks for your information . Actually I am new at this platform  that's why I'm just asking this question  for clear my confusions about this topic and  learn more information .

That's okay, welcome to the forum regardless.
Those accounts being sold are going to be caught anyway at some point. Not sure how PlayerUp works as I am a no-no for any sorts of account buying/selling regardless of what platform it is even in video games, but I suspect that most of those are just scams.

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I didn't expected someone trying to sell account in Pinterest, lol.

As you can understand, trading accounts is not prohibited.
Even if everything goes fine it is very difficult, especially for a beginner, to check the quality and validity of the account. For example, you can buy an account, but it can easily be banned for some plagiarism from the past.
that would be wasted money and certainly not recommended to do.

Except for signature campaigns because of the higher payment rate, there are no more important gains in relation to lower ranks. Also, it's very easy to be a jr. member with which you can access each campaign.
In regular discussion, lower-ranked members are not in a subordinate position until they write nonsense.

You can find the answer to your question in the Unofficial list of (official) Bitcointalk.org rules (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0) topic.
I'll quote the relevant part here. Although, I recommend all newbies to take the time and read it all:

There is really no legit reason why someone would want to buy high ranking accounts as long as the copper membership exists other than using them to scam or abuse bounties/sig campaigns.
Welcome to the forum, BTW.

If the forum doesn't prevent it then there's nothing wrong. I think they should change that into total prohibition since DT members discovered it tagging them so it's not make sense anyway.

Maybe theymos should change that completely, since the norm already denying that in terms of actions of the community. If its not prohibited then, those who are buying and selling aren't supposed to have some negative since they aren't breaking any rules. Verbal belief is good but this must be put in writings. Discourage isn't the right term for this in my opinion.

If you don't have shady plans, it is best to start with a newbie account and rank up with merit system (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2818350.0) by making good posts & contribution.

If you are representative account of a company and have demand to make posts with images, you can buy Copper membership (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2385104.0) to get both Whitelisting and be able to display images.

Buying or selling account is not prohibited but discouraged. Because most of bought accounts are use to spam in bounties or to scam with new projects.

Selling Bitcointalk accounts should be prohibited.Even I don't know why people are trying to buy Bitcointalk accounts from scammer.
Because now its very easy to rank up any account by posting useful and by helping others.
Don't go for trading Bitcointalk accounts at all.

Prohibiting account sales won't stop that. One would just use a different platform for selling the same accounts. And then why invest time and energy in prohibiting/banning that?
I find the current state of things just fine: allowed, but discouraged.

Someone at one time created thousands of accounts and put them on regular sale. Sometimes you can meet newcomers with a registration date of 2016 and their excuses that they were on the forum a long time ago, and then forgot about it, and so on. Although, it's not hard to guess that they own the purchased account. And how many accounts we see from bumping services, also most likely purchased cheap newbies. And of course, most often all purchased accounts will have one bad fate, this is either a ban or a negative tag. But the fact that buyers are helping to grow someone's business of selling accounts cannot be denied.
And while there is a demand for such accounts, there will be supply.

What account traders likely don’t have easy access to, I figure, are Merits. Although they too get traded in some of those backchannel sites, the amount one can obtain, I guess, is pretty small, with perhaps some unseen exceptions.

I’m not sure if the Merit requirement for campaigns is only looked at during enrolment, or whether Campaign Managers look at it more regularly for longer lasting campaigns at least. Were the requirements based on a moving window, the Merit bar would effectively be more difficult to meet in general terms, but likely even more so for traded accounts.

It is likely though, that traded accounts opt mostly for the lower-end type campaigns, where merit requirements are small (or even non-existent), being the better paid campaigns out of their reach.

As far as I have seen, signature managers paid in bitcoins sometimes require a minimum of 5 merit received in the last six months. And of course, you can track which posts this minimum was received, from whom and in what period. Therefore, it will not be difficult for managers to understand what kind of account they are going to take into their company.
But as far as the bounty is concerned, no merit is required to participate. Therefore, it is there that purchased accounts are in demand. After all, it's not at all difficult to buy yourself a new account in the event of a ban or receiving a negative tag.
It has been discussed many times that a good obstacle to cheating would be the rule of having a certain amount of merit to participate in the bounty.

No one will prevent you to buy, sell or trade bitcointalk accounts but it is frowned upon doing so. I suggest you that you don't buy an account not that I don't want you to have a higher rank account but as an advise. Advantage of buying an account is that you don't have to make lots of effort to rank up or in short easy rank up. The disadvantage is, it is higher chance of getting red trusted or the seller will report the account as hacked, stolen or reported as a fraudulent user.

Account trading is allowed but not frowned upon and is also never good advice as the losses outweigh the gains. There have been many cases of trading bitcointalk account that ended in scam and there were also other cases that resulted in accounts being banned, being negatively tagged and so on due to the inability of new users to verify that the account they purchased was free from plagiarism and also changes in post quality.

OP, I really don't know about account sales being made on certain website outside of bitcointalk furum. Kinda curious how you found out when you're new here. Do you intend to do it?

Account sales is more like exchanging personality/impersonation and it could be risky for people who would interact and maybe do business with such account, that's why account sellers and buyers more often than not always get a negative feedback, look at it this way, if we have a responsible user sell his account to someone who we can't be sure to be like the initial owner of the account, then that's very risky for other forum users, thus account sales may not be prohibited, but it is unacceptable by majority of users on the forum.

Also, earning merits on the forum signifies that the user is contributing in a quality way to discussions on the forum, thus when a user buys an account with the merit therein, it is unethical and not a product of hardwork, and that's why such short cuts aren't allowed and users are encouraged to grow their accounts in the right way possible.

Crypto Library, You can buy and sell your account, but listen to these people's advice that doesn't seem like a good thing to do.

Forum and forum users will never prevent you from gaining knowledge, merit system and rank up if you care about post quality. So when these people can help you get merit, rank up, and get the right knowledge when it comes to your personal development, then don't ever be interested in buying them. It's good that you have an interest in knowing the ethics of using forum properly because in my opinion trading account will only deceive themselves by hiding behind higher rank when your knowledge is not up to par.

You know, some users have already given you merit and this should be something that motivates you to post something high quality. You will soon reach Jr members when you have 30 activity already, so keep going and welcome in the forum bitcointak.org

Basically  I am new in crypto industry . I am learning webdesigning and graphic design.
Before  joined in this forum I saw a few videos on youtube about earning . Where I found Crypto related video about mining , airdrops  and  bounty  and I signup here and I saw the rank level .

And seriously tell you something yes I have a little bit of intend before this posting this topic .
But I was also confused  about trading bitcointalk accounts  I search on the google for clear my confusions but it wasn't clear that . And that's why I created this topic to clear cut my confusions.

And now I know and understand about that . And about the risk of buying an account  ;)  ::)

Your thinking was wrong, I will say anyone wondering to buying an account is wrong. It's because whatever you want to earn from the forum doesn't require a high rank except for a signature campaign. You can continue even with a newbies account, anyone will not prevent you to participate in discussion on the forum as well. But I believe you wouldn't be qualified for any BTC campaign with the bought account. Because most of the managers of the BTC signature campaign will visit your profile and merit. If you can't write constructive discussions and can't contribute means you can't earn merit. If you can earn merit then why do you need to buy an account? You can just build your own. And eventually bought account will be just useless.

Yes. I respect forum and forum users opinions. And I  will always try to obey their opinions .


Thanks for the appreciation . Yes recently I got 4 merits . And I am very excited and interest for that . Now I am learning new new things in this forum . And trying my best to gain up.

Yes brother I know was wrong . But now I am learning and researching and trying my best to gain up of my own  capabilities. I hope I will get support from you ❤️

Seriously I was also thinking that selling of account is not allowed until when I saw a thread which was about account selling and buying which they said is allowed, but to me I think is a very bad idea if people can trade accounts, for example what if am having a Bitcointalk account and am a high rank member and am also a trusted person on the forum, what will happen if that kind of account is sold out which you don't know if the person buying the account is a scammer don't you think the person will use the trust opportunity to scam people. That's just my opinion!!!

I hope that you now understand more clearly that trading with bitcointalk accounts is not prohibited, but is strongly frowned upon by the community. Almost all account sellers are scammers, and even if you manage to buy an account, you can't be sure it won't be banned in the future because you don't know what the account was used for.

Looks like a pure scam website.And Bitcointalk don't encourage about trading Forum accounts.So its better to grow up your account yourself.

Most likely your doubts are correct. Imagine why they would be willing to sell the account when they themselves could use it to join a bounty or signature campaign if the account had a good reputation. For no other reason than because they want to scam greedy buyers and your last thought should be the best option for anyone trying to buy an account.

OP, I advise you to lock this thread considering you've got the answers you need, and for all that has been suggested to you should be of some use.

I took a little bit of reading on what PlayerUp is up to, no pun intended, although I don't really feel digging too much on this strange site from my previous reply. From the Reddit comments I had read, it seems like it just like an Ebay, but instead of selling physical goods, it is all about accounts. It is not purely a scam site from some comments I read, but it is a site that surely is being used by scammers. It will be easy for scammers to take their accounts back through social engineering for sure.

@OP, as what skarais said.

Can we just be plain for once  :)
The forum supports buying and selling of an account so it probably means there is nothing wrong with it. It is only when you make a LAW' that someone can be a defaulter when he/she goes against it; not when there is no law!
I'm not totally in support of account farming but it is either made a taboo or reserved for the ones that are comfortable on the trade and the shouldn't be any restrictions (no red tag).
 If they don't wanna barn these law so it means anyone that does this is right and doesn't need to be penalized...
Bitter truth ;D

Do you probably read the rules to the point? The rules say that selling accounts is not prohibited, but not recommended. That is, the emphasis is on the second part. Accordingly, the forum adheres to freedom of action, but there should be a reasonable limit to all freedoms.
Everyone understands, and one should not think that the purchase of an account is being done for good purposes, and, understandably, a lie is being planned. Thus, the red tag is placed as a warning that all transactions associated with the purchased account may be deceiving.
I laugh at people who are used to living in a rigid framework, "can" and "not".

The forum rule that account buyings and sellings aren't prohibited on this forum simply means you won't be banned for doing that. The administrators of this forum do not want to be responsible for the moral code of other people, they do not want to dictate what is right and what is wrong. In fact, it is the community that should decide whether it is morally justified to sell or buy accounts. Bitcointalk forum is a place to discuss topics related to bitcoin. The cost of account creation is zero, there are no fees to see and create content, everything is accessible regardless of rank. Everyone is free to join and participate in discussions, so it makes no sense to buy a higher rank account just to do things you could have done on low-rank accounts.

@lovesmayfamilis hasn't even gotten my points

It's high time we go above these sentimentalities and accept the fact that we ain't seeing any thing wrong with account farming and we have decided to legalise it or make it outrageous' for the fact that it incurrs incessant spam, simple.!
 As you said, the Bitcoin forum is made for strictly and basically discussions 'bout Bitcoin and nothing more so I believe that account farming shouldn't be openly advertised in the forum as these would probably promote nuisance.
 Since they mods believe peeps down here should be indecisive,so they should let them be.
 If you don't like eating fries, then you shouldn't order it to be prepary for your daily meals, who will eat them?
  My point is; if account farming is frowned at, then it should be ABOLISHED AT ONCE and made a law such that anyone that is suspected should face the wrath of the forum, simple !
 I wouldn't wanna talk bout these again 😑
Regards, Trojane ❣️

The forum doesn't support accounts sales because it discourages equality/fairness among the members, it supports spamming of the forum and if it continues it will reduce the level of the member contribution to the forum.
I could remember when I first join this forum account sales is something people does openly and Bitcointalk Account price estimator is the site people used to calculate the price of account then but at some point, the forum came to a conclusion about account sales because it will affect the forum reputation and that's the reason why the DT member tag every user that's involved in account sale.

It isn't prohibited on any forum. I haven't seen any such prohibition on any forum. But it must be strictly banned. The ranking should not be purchased, it must be acquired by own skills. If any high-ranked account is purchased and you don't have the required skill set you the purchased account cannot be useful.

Why haven't it been ban yet,?
Don't you think the forum should rather make prohibitions on that rather than frowning at it?
If we have seen the main purpose of farming accounts for sales to be useless and uncalled-for, thereby luring in spammers and shit posters in perfect disguise around the forum just to generate bugging  and they might eventually be scammers too, why can't the MODS put a total stop to it because even the farmers are somehow dubbing the buyers of their cash , thereafter  hacking back the accounts from them, I have seen diverse feedbacks and reports that are made ; I believe if the is a rule like this, then peeps won't even need to go about buying an account not to talk of getting robbed of their cash..

There is no forum rule that outrightly prohibite the sales of account on bitcointalk but, its greatly discouraged and most users on the forum drawn at the act. I tell you, some users are sure to follow up other users because of the quality of there post or the information they  often provide. In cases as such, an account changing hands is easily noticeable by such persons. Undoubtedly, the level of understanding is going to vary significantly coupled with the niche the original user might have dominated. Hence, you get an account with a user that is just put to earn through signatures and bounties by multiple spam posting.

Building your account from the scratch might seem like a lot but , I can assure you that you grow on it and it grows on you too. So long as the zeal to learn and contribute is there.

The forum moderator doesn't moderate scams or spam and that's the DT are the rightful person to handle issues that have to do with the account.

My thought or belief has no impact on the forum stance on this issue but we're talking about something that has been in existence before I even join this forum. It is hard to an end to it.

Moderating this forum is more than enough job for the forum moderators and if you check the report section you'll see a lot of executed issues. Adding the account farming will be too much for the moderator that's a decision was made that the forum member and the DT should handle it by themselves.

You are right about the scam, but you are wrong about the spam. Moderators encourage forum users not to make spam posts because they are pointless. Moderators also moderate spam well where there are thousands of reports of spam posts being deleted, thread locked, or being moved to other board.

About buying and selling account I think the problem is solved now and the OP can lock this thread. Buying a high rank account is not the best practice to do when one is having trouble getting merit to rank up and based on experience, it is a practice that many DT members dislike even though it is not legally prohibited.

I think achieving high ranks is not a competition so why should we hurry if we are newbies and struggling a little bit to rank up to the next rank I think need to develop more/ contribute more in the forum so that we can achieve the high rank.
It is very bad that your rank is high but you your self know that you are not qualified for that rank cause you did not achieve what you buy that, it's a dishonest and even trick your own Self.

Who are the DT members ? What's there function ?

DT means Default Trust. It's further divided into DT1 and DT2. The lists are made up of the forum's most trusted members who ensure that certain community standards are being respected. Scamming or spamming are some of the reasons why you could end up with a negative feedback by the DT community. Since scams aren't moderated by the forum and its moderators, DT members make sure that those who scam are rightly tagged.

Check out the following threads to read more about the DT system:
Marketplace trust (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=211858.0)
DefaultTrust changes (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5095156.0)
[Explained] How DT system works (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5072734.0)