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Is is a crime or a plagiarism if you know that your english is not very good. You write a long arricle and give it to another person to correct the english in the article for you before you will now post it in the group or forum.

There's nothing wrong with that if you ask someone to correct your article. In fact, there was a project by Jetcash and jackg back in the day where both offered to help newbie to write English perfectly and helped some newbies to correctly present there article. I think talkmerit was the project name but I'm not exactly sure, I have forgot the name.

Not a crime or plagiarism of course, but the fact that you let other people correct your post, it looks like you are not the one making the post. So I suggest that you stay in your local if you cannot at least make a post that is understandable to everyone.

Are you referring to a post in this forum? or an article to be posted on a specific website?

You are using proofreading services so it's legal. But if you are copying a paragraph from an article regardless if its your own or not, You should attached a reference to that particular article so that no one will accused you as plagiarism. You should aleays provide a source link if you are using a carbon copy statement from an article that posted online. That's the golden rule here. Many newbie might use this kind of excuse for plagiarism to have an easy post though.

Plagiarism is more or less the use of somebody else’s prior work, to kind of pass all or part of it as your own, without crediting the real author. Now here, in your hypothetical scenario, if you write the article yourself, with your own words to begin with (not resorting to copy/[spin]/paste), then there should be no plagiarism involved (you may need to consider reference links though if need be).

Having somebody else correct your English, is not that far off from using some grammar tools to aid your writing, and there should not be anything wrong with that per se. You may need to consider though why you are doing it to begin with, and how you will deal with answering questions and/or subsequent posts if you are currently struggling with your English.

Thank you very much. I will search it. And I will involve.

The one I put in yellow color is a problem. My article will be too fine and another article will not be fine.
Is good somebody will teach me and I will be trying all by myself.

Am talking about here in the forum.

You literally described the jobs of editors and translators :) Of course, there is nothing wrong with that, that's how books get written and published, scientific papers get released. There is even a thing on this forum where you translate someone else's work for your local board and give the author credit in your notes for the original work. Just be sure to list all sources you got your info from and that's about it.

uchegod: if I understand this correctly, you gave your post to somebody else for correction and they posted it as if it was theirs.
I can't comment on the legality of it, but, being that I'm also very self conscious about the quality (or lack thereof) of my own English (I'm Argentinian, so I speak Spanish), my advise to you would be to not worry that much about it. You will find most people around here will do their best to understand you and help you out.
Just do your best, and you'll be ok.

Just an advise, you don't have to present yourself as perfect because doing exactly what you just said is doing that. If you want to improve your English language genuinely, do so because you want to better yourself and not trying to impress anyone on the forum. If you have a local bored, participate more in there than the English board until you have perfected your English.

Another thing is writing in your best English language and users here will gladly correct and even assist you then appearing well equiped in English when you're not. Most well known members on the forum, their english isn't perfect but provided it can be understandable, they get a pass and rewarded.

It is not a bad thing but it also show that you didn't give yourself a time to learn english. I know it sounds offensive in my opinion for saying that but it's what I think about what you do. Anyway, It's not a crime to let some correct the english in your article before posting it and at the same time you'll know which mistakes you did when the person who corrected the article. Soon you will learn and there is something that can help with your grammar if you have a problem with like grammarly. Maybe it can help. Even me will make some mistakes in my English so don't worry about that as my guess is you are still learning English language.

How does this cry plagiarism!
I mean, having someone audit your write up doesn't in anyway make it less original or not yours. It's always going to be yours except, the auditor mistakenly or purposely publishes it anywhere. Then, you've got a tale to tell as to how that work has got any origin from you coupled with some evidence from the first publisher on what actually transpired.
I once came across a user who was questioned to have plagiarised a content that was supposedly his on reddit. The user just had to prove he or she owned it by going to the original post and made some editing as a form of prove and the aligations was cast aside.

You would be just fine by saying that English is not your native language. in cases that people ask various questions to you. It won't be a problem in either's end.
Just keep practicing your English writing skills, so you won't depend in any tools or from someone's aid to help you with that.

I think it's not a crime and it's not a plagiarism as the content of the post is not copied from another writer, you are the original writer but you only ask someone to help and rearrange the words for you in the right way. But it's advisable to be trying as much as possible to improve since you are really interested in article writing.

Is true. But I want to do it so that I can write long article like the once  am seeing in this forum.

I will take this advice from you. Orders are talking the same thing too.

I am learning. My learning is working well. I am changing since I join this group.

No it has not happen. It was what I am thinking to do. I want to know if is a crime first.

For me nothing wrong about this giving your article to someone else who correct your grammar and english is okay. But in my own perspective you don't have to that and we all know that we are not all native english speakers/good in grammar here  but we must try our best.
We must practice our self in order to improve our knowledge about our Universal language.
Ill suggest you op instead of using someone else you can use grammarly (https://www.grammarly.com) which is it can helps you to practice your grammar.
Then you can delete it if you alrrady mastered your grammar and english speaking.

I do not think it is a crime as per my understanding anything that is copied blatantly is considered plagiarized. In your case, you are trying to get your English corrected by someone which is not a crime. But, if you copy and then use translate then it is considered plagiarized content and if caught you then get banned from the forum.

that's basically proofreading(someone who fixes typos, wrong grammar, etc...). a lot of writers and journalists hire people to proofread their stories, articles, to make sure that there are no typos, wrong grammar, errors, and etc... as long as you wrote the article yourself and hire someone to proofread it, it is not considered as plagiarism.

First and foremost, it is not a crime not to know English. So whether you make a direct post or you have it corrected by your friend first before posting does not matter. I mean, there is no crime there. I suppose your friend is not tasked to change the gist of your post but only the grammar so that you could effectively express what you have in mind.

Plagiarism is not what you are referring to. Plagiarism is copying someone else's words and make them appear as if they are your own.

That's good to know that you are learning well and also looking for advises from forum members in this forum. Continue what you are doing right now and soon you'll write your own article with better grammar and better article(s) with good english after learning. Plagiarism is different where you posted an article that you are not the one who made it. In your case is, you made it yourself but with a corrections so need to worry.

It's not crime when you write an article that comprises that larger stanzas and smaller stanzas and ask for assistance for correction and all the rest, even in the universities it's done, whereby an academic doctors will write a book and take it above person who's knows more better for a correction purposes such a professor of such field for proper scrutinized of errors, so when somebody correct your articles for you it's not a plagarism... A plagarism is the process whereby you copy and paste an article of already without reference and claim to be right owner of the work.

It's not bad or a plagiarism as far as the article belongs to you and if its not edited from someone else article. If your article is given to someone who can edit it to correct errors such like English and punctuation it is not a plagiarism or copied work.

Its not really comes under plagiarism, because plagiarism stands for copying someone's content and claims that its yours.

If you're English is bad still you can post as long as people can read and understand what you are actually trying to say, this is not a competition where you have to write articles with no grammar mistakes. But it will be better if there is no such mistakes which can be solved easily by using grammarly like application which will correct the spelling, punctuation and lot other mistakes for free and if you subscribe for premium version you can also get the corrected and appropriate sentences by the application itself.

It won't be any plagiarism if your article not shared anywhere. It's not any crime also a lot of writter do such a thing. But you should try to develop your skill instead of relying someone.
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It doesn't means that you cant write if your english is poor. Start with ur poor english you will find a lot teaching u in online.

As other users have said, it doesn't fall under the offense of plagiarism, so long as it's just your English that the person would correct, but mind you that you could prolly give someone an article of yours to edit and the person goes on to cut out numerous parts of your write-up to either include their thoughts or something they got from the internet, if you post such articles on the forum and your "editor" does that continually, then you could probably be accused of plagiarism or stealing lines out of other people's work, thus what I'm basically saying is you should make it clear to your proof-reader what exactly you want from them so you don't get into trouble, or you better just choose an online tool to help you with this.

No that shouldn't be a plagiarism, but I think some caution should be taken like the person you giving the article in order to correct for bad grammar, punctuation marks and spelling should be sure to do only correction and no improvising or trying to and article from some else to it, also if you aren't go in english and you feel you should write in it, then take out time to learn it, you may find it easy to learn in a short time.

Of course, this is not a crime. That is, essentially, just proofreading. There are people who do this professionally, for money. Copy editors do the job of proofreading, but before that they go through an extensive training program.

If the idea comes from yourself and if you insert also the source link if you took a quote, it doesn't mean that you are plagiarism and a crime. No.
It is like proofreading, grammar correction, and also editing. This is actually normally done by some content articles also that commonly use this way to make articles more friendly to read, well readable, and also human friendly.

There's nothing wrong with that but it could be risky if the person involved in the editing isn't trust worthy.
Let's say you create an idea yourself and hand it over to someone who is in the forum and then the person edits it and post it before handing the edited work over to you.

Just be careful while giving out your work, they're professionals who specialise in editing works, you could always hire their services.

It's called proofreading which that someone who reviews what you have written is going to correct the mistakes you have written. A proofreader is actually a job position in some publishing companies. It's not a crime but writers normally need proofreaders for grammar and punctuation correction. I guess OP is rich enough to hire someone to read and correct his articles.

A crime is rewriting someone else article but somehow, it becomes legal in the eyes of the search engines because it's all that matters now as long as search engine bots see the article as unique.

It's not a crime if you get your article corrected by people provided you did the job yourself and there is no future proof of plagiarism. The idea is to sell what you have which is expressed in thoughts and idea. But other than give people your job for correction you can still express your self in your local board to avoid been blackmailed by the person whom you hired to edit your job.

I have learn many things here. Thank you everyone. Everyone is saying the same thing and advising me. I have seen many good advice I will take here.

• I will not give anybody my work to correct me
• I will download grammarly application

The people here will not care too much for grammar. If I can write what people will read and understand. Little by little everything will be fine with me. Am happy everyone.

I also recommend the Grammarly app. It is installed as a browser plugin. [/list]

Well, the definition of "crime" varies. What I would be worried about is if it's ethical to do so.
Personally, despite practical considerations that have been stated before, I think using somebody else's work without their consent and not giving them due credit for it is morally repugnant.
You can learn before, and then do your own work. The whole "my English is not good" excuse is BS, in my opinion. Like I said before, there's a whole lot of people here whose English is far from perfect (including me), and we go from taking forever to carefully craft each post, to just do their best and let other people to deal with it. 

Hi, OP.
If the advices were already enough from the previous replies, I would advise you to lock this topic now. You don't really need a perfect grammar, but when it comes to writing an article, you might need to practice your grammar further.
Wishing you the best there, OP.

It is not crime or plagiarism if ask a friend for help to correct some error in an article you wrote but it will only be plagiarism if the friend decides to post the article before you after she's done correcting the article.
So, I hope the person is someone you totally trust because there is some situation where someone else ideas are stolen.

I don't know what makes you think its a crime, imo its perfectly legitimate. Its good that one knows his English is not upto the mark and uses services of expert to polish the article before posting on Web. You can also use tools like grammerly to correct English.

Plagiarism is when you copy somebody else's content and post it as yours. That's when the bells ring and you invite trouble to your profile.
But if you are making your own content and posting it here with the help of someone else then there's probably no harm in it.
Also, you can use tools like Grammarly and others to correct your grammatical mistakes before posting.
Below is a link to tools which are alternative to grammarly just in case you decide to go for it.

https://www.grammarlookup.com/grammarly-alternatives/

I don't really think that's a scam  because the article is written by you, the article you write is your knowledge so you giving someone close to you to make correction I don't think that's a crime, because if anybody search the article it can't be found anywhere nobody can claim is there own because it has not been published by anybody, but I believe you have to be very careful with the person you are giving the article to check for you, if the person endup stealing your post and publishing it before you then I believe if you post thesame thing then you have plagiarised because there is no way you can claim you are the owner of the article because it was published before you.

That will help him a lot if he learn English himself because most of the forum posts are in that language and if you want to share your ideas you can directly convey it to all easily.

But that's not the crime if you say as we have seen some members saying it to translate to other languages their own thread if it is useful and can help the community as a whole.Other members have already said and explain the main parts to you.

If the person you asked to correct your article has posted the given article first, it won't be plagiarism since the original version has never been known to the public. Naturally, you will know that someone has clearly stolen your work, but you are going to have hard times trying to convince others you were an original author. There are some important steps that should be taken before you send your work to another person for either correction or publication. For example, if you're not very good at English, then first write an article in your native language, post it somewhere, save all the drafts, and only then translate it to English. It will be easier for you to protect your copyrights if you have all the evidence of your authorship on hand in both digital and physical forms.

That really depends on many things. I cannot offer legal advice as I am not a lawyer, but if that person who corrects your article is using plagerised text, then you may be liable for posting it. Especially if the article is used to make money or advertise services that are supposed to generate a profit.

Or perhaps if the person who corrects the text is expected to be paid for his services and you use the text without paying.

As I said, it depends on the context.

However if its a volunteered edit, with no expected pay, and no copy/pasted plagerisms, then it should be totally fine to use. 8)

Grammarly is without a doubt one of the most popular spelling and grammar checking tool on the Internet. However, you can also try out ProWritingAid (Free Version) if you're looking for an almost as good but also less expensive alternative. It's not as sophisticated as Grammarly, but if you need a quick and inexpensive way to catch spelling and grammar errors, you can't go wrong with this tool.

Grammarly free version is of very limited use, you have to buy its premium version to get full benefit. As far as OP question is concerned, i think he must try himself posting contents that why his English will improve and his confidence will be developed. Getting help from other wont improve your english.

What you said here is not applicable to the forum stance concern plagiarism and if you check the plagiarism thread, you'll know that if the person that corrected the article post the article before the original version is posted some statements that are the same in the article will be considered as plagiarism since there's no evidence to prove the second person that posts the article is the genuine owner of the content.

This is what I am trying to say. In a situation when there's no evidence it is better to let go.

It's still the same thing without evidence.

It's not a crime, you are just trying to improve your work to quality to the requirement.

Some people do have a brilliant idea but since English is not their main language, so they struggle with grammar sometimes, but since there are people who can work for you on that, of course, you can use their service but at the same time, you should also continue to learn to develop your English proficiency so you'll not rely on other people all the time to get your job done.

It's never a crime to ask someone to assist you in writing an article that you're going to post in the forum. English being the universal language being used here doesn't mean everyone will be perfect writing it here. If you can pass the message rightly and people can understand what you write, you gat no problem with that whether your English is poor or not.
From your forum name is like you're a Nigerian. You can begin to post on Nigeria local boards where you can relate with Nigerians in pidgin.
As for your poor English, is not a big issue. Try and download the Grammarly keyboard on PlayStore. It will correct and build your vocabulary when writing a post

If not that finance might be a problem @OP as I may not know your status of financial capacity, given the system that we operate. I can very much inform you that, there are a lot others on the forum who uses the aid of a translator, be it auto or human translator but, they would all serve you just fine.
Good enough, a couple of the translators can be easily found on the service board. If you care so much on the way your message is being received, you might empty there services and hope they deliver.

I guess no one would like to get credited by others by just copying their work it's the right of the author to have their names on the quoted statement because they created those with respect and the credibility of the statement. Theres nothing wrong with adjusting some of the sentences as long as the thought is there and even though you make it still it's not your it's the idea of the original author. Plagiarism is one of the hardest punishments for our forum and some of the newcomers do this because they want to get merit and rank up easily. If you are not good with grammar you can use a Grammarly extension.

I have a doubt if someone would use a Grammarly app/extension if their native tongue is not English but maybe a translator of your work will do. They were good at doing this but of course you will have to pay for their hard work. Plagiarizing someone's work is not really a good idea, just imagine it's your work and you sleep less and tired of doing it then after you published it someone just copy your whole idea and post it on their site without your name as a credit. Do you like that? Of course not, because they are monetizing your work with less effort. That's why plagiarism is prohibited in this forum or anywhere.

If you are sure that you didn't cite or get quote from some certain articles or other sources no that is not a crime.
It may belong to be the proof-reading and also editing.
But, what's for your article is?
If you are only going t use it as a post thread in this forum, you may not need to do such proof-reading and editing from expert, because once you are  uttering it for sure, people are here to understand. And as what other members here say, you can use Grammarly to help you.

But, if you are going to use the article to be posted and more readably, unique, human friendly, and also sometimes SEO friendly, yes, you may need proof-reading and editing. This will help you much and you are not plagiarism on it.

And to ensure whether you are plagiarism or not, you are better to use some plagiarism checker tool, you can find them in some providers, bot free and also paid.

If you want to improve your grammar and the way you are going to post, I suggest using an app like Grammarly, and then you can post and see the needed replacements on the words or possibly punctuations that you need to add to have a good post in English. Even capitalization would be good. It has a plagiarism checker if you want to make sure you haven't copied anything all over the web.

That's not plagiarism if you are the one who created it and just let someone fix your grammar. But then again, if you have to pay, maybe you can use what I suggested above.

A person's desire to improve themselves isn't a crime, but plagiarism is. However, the most important thing is to improve yourself without getting any assistance from others. When you share your articles or content with someone, there is a chance that you may be cheated. However, we have a market for article writers, you can share your ideas/niches, and a writer will be able to provide you with high quality content. Therefore, it cannot be your inner thoughts that a writer is providing you. To verify whether your content is suitable for posting, you can use the chrome extension.

Thank you to every person that commented on this topic. Especially the ones that advised me to learn on my own and use grammarly. I love you all. I am already seeing the result this short time. What I learnt is that no one is supposed to post here in a haste. We have time to cross check our grammar hundred times before we post. For long article grammarly is our friend.

As long as you don't "copy-paste" other's work or "use it without permission" from the creators, it doesn't call by "plagiarism" or crime. What you do is "ask help to evaluate and correct your English article before you post it". Of course, there is nothing wrong with this, it is even a good way to ensure you wrote an article with proper English words/sentences. So, don't worry because you are not doing any mistake, dude!

In a real sense, we see English as an international language. There are many countries that do not prefer English. There are many who have knowledge but cannot express or implement it. So they should be given a chance. This problem will not be removed in one day. However, a poster should have the minimum quality of post or written ability.

I see nothing wrong with seeking for editorial assistance from a professional or someone who is presumed to know better than yourself.  It's a way of not only improving yourself but ensuring that what you put out there isn't just garbage. People deserve to have quality stuffs especially when they pay for it or even visit your page. This is what a good editing can do for you. Mind you, editing isn't publishing. Once it gets published, it becomes the work of the first publisher and then you've got to go a whole length to prove its legitimacy as yours. So you've got to ensure whom is editing with you is professional enough not to publish your work before you or without your authorisation.