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A while back I kept my btc in electrum.  I then eventually got a nano ledger.  During all the forks, bitcoin cash, gold and SV, I did not claim any of these while my btc was in electrum.  Only after I got a nano ledger, I then transferred btc from electrum to nano ledger.  It wasn't till a while later, I downloaded electroncash and then type in my electrum 12 word seed into it and then BCH showed up.  I then sent the BCH from electroncash to nano ledger.  Thus I did not claim my BCH until after all these forks.



I want to claim the bitcoin sv and gold now. 



Do you recommend me claim bitcoin sv first on the laptop and then bitcoin gold?  Or vice versa?  I heard you should claim from highest value to lowest but also read you should do easiest to hardest.



Is it still


https://electrumsv.io/


https://bitcoingold.org/electrumg/




Do i only need to type in my 12 word electrum seed into it and thats it or is it much more complicated.  I had claimed my bitcoin cash with the 12 word electrum seed using Electroncash.  Then I moved the BCH to a hardware wallet.


A while back someone suggested coinomi on android.  I have iphone only.  But would you suggest this compared to the bitcoingold.org/electrumg site?  Thing is I want to claim all the forks from the old electrum seed.


Thing is I read with electrum sv, it might be complicated because it involves private keys and sweeping?  Or is it just as simple as electroncash with BCH a while back?

Check LoyceV's Bitcoin Fork claiming guide (and service) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2836875.0).

Bitcoin SV first since you've already claimed your BCH from the fork.

Reason is BSV has no "replay protection" and attacker might use your previous BCH transaction to send it to the same recipient in the BSV network.
Anyways, if the recipient is also you and it's sent to a non-custodial wallet, then there's no major threat concerning that.
Bitcoin Gold in the other hand, has replay protection so, you can send it last.

Short version: Your BSV and BCH-A (now Ecash) might have moved already. If not, you're lucky, and should get some dust on those chains to split them. If it moved cross chain to your hardware wallet, you can still recover it. I can get you some Forkcoin dust if needed (strings attached (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5304496.0), of course).
Also get BTG and BCD, forget about the other forks. If one of them ever becomes valueble: please let me know how you claimed it :)

Then use Coinomi on Iphone. I wouldn't install Fork wallets on an active computer, don't trust them! Either use a VM, or a disposable system, or Coinomi.

The BCH I claimed a while back with electroncash was sent to my nano ledger.  The BCH has been there ever since.


So right now, i download that program I posted to claim the SV?  The other thing is there isn't any wallets where it seems keeping the SV there is safe?  


I know i could send btg to the nano ledger.

You can also use your Ledger Nano, not using Ledger Live but ElectrumSV.
Ledger has an article about it in their support page: https://support.ledger.com/hc/en-us/articles/360012270054-Bitcoin-SV-BSV-?docs=true (https://support.ledger.com/hc/en-us/articles/360012270054-Bitcoin-SV-BSV-?docs=true)

It's easiest to use Blockchair.com to find which addresses currently hold your Forkcoins. Note that the "default" search doesn't include all Forks they support, and their eCash (https://blockchair.com/ecash/address/ecash:qpvefcwykgraq5p4yh55xup0lkpqkve02g3lmsjvw6) search doesn't seem to support legacy addresses anymore.

A simple legacy Bitcoin paper wallet will do (but you need follow the necessary precautions when you created it, and don't fall for scam sites).

Isn't the issue here my btc was in electrum the entire time all those forks occured?  The bch, btg and bitcoin sv and even those bitcoin diamond and private forks... when all those happened... my btc was still in electrum.  I did not claim my BCH until much later.  And i used electroncash for that.


So how would the nano ledger be involved here?  Wouldn't that not apply here?

You may also use https://findmycoins.ninja/ to see which coins are available for your address. And again - read carefully LoyceV's topic regarding fork coins (or if you are lazy ask him to claim them for you  ;) )

I am not really sure if I understand what you mean, but BTC is not in "electrum" or on pendrive etc. You had your keys/seed whatever in some application - and that's all. Information about BTC stored under given address were kept in distributed blockchain, when fork occurred you, as a "owner" of original BTC address you became also owner of fork coins.
ow the point is that you need different software to be able to access fork coins base on your original seed/address/key.

I thought you're looking for a wallet where you can send your BSV? (the quoted part)
So, one of the safest option is to also send it to your Ledger, the will-be-created wallet in ElectrumSV will only work as an interface for the Hardware wallet.

How do i use blockchair to find the addresses holding the forkcoins?  


I do not have a clue about paper wallets... i dont think i want to get involved in that.


But I was told last time the bitcoin SV will be there though and it didn't matter when I claim it.  So that isn't true?  So that only applied to BCH?  Again I never claimed bitcoin sv because the process a while back seemed a lot complicated since there was talk about sweeping keys etc... which i have no clue about.

You can use it, but shouldn't rely on the site: I've seen it give incorrect data several times.

Start by entering your addresses, it shows several Forks already.

There's really no way to tell without checking the address (because of the lack of replay protection).

Okay so I know where I would send the bitcoin sv to.  Apparently the waves wallet has a bitcoin sv wallet so i could send it there.


Now the reason why i want to claim my bitcoin sv and gold soon is because i think my old electrum seed might be exposed.  Thus I don't have any btc or bch there.  I only want to claim all the forked coins etc.


So what is your suggestion on based on this?  Again I have my electrum 12 word seed so what do you suggest?  I had thought it was going to be as simple as typing that electrum seed in like with electroncash.  So it isn't?  Also is that software safe to download on computer?  Someone here mention they don't trust that software on their main machine and to use a spare one etc. 

It's actually as simple as that, in ElectrumSV, it has to be added as an "account" after creating a wallet.
In your newly created wallet, you just have to click "Add Account", select "Import from text (....)", then type your Electrum seed phrase.
It will be automatically detected (as long as the address type is supported by their network).
You can do it straightforward or conservative (air-gap, etc.) depending on the crypto amount left in that seed phrase.

For the "trust issues", the wallet is also open-source (https://github.com/electrumsv/electrumsv), so you can audit it (or someone else qualified).

Okay so download electrumSV.  Then type in the electrum seed.  Then the BSV will show up just like that?  Similar to like how i claimed BCH on electron cash?


Then i would send the BSV to another wallet.



Then after this, safe to download the bitcoin gold wallet on the same machine?  What about the bitcoin diamond and private fork then?  I know best to do the highest value first etc.

Yes, if it's an Electrum seed (not BIP39), the script type should be included in the seed so it's as simple as that.

For the other forks like Bitcoin Gold and others, I haven't tried them but I heard that most of the Electrum forks are inactive so you might need to move them individually via private key Export/Import.
Procedures depend on the wallet but I haven't tested neither of the other forks.

Okay but has anyone here done so recently?  I know these new wallets have new updates every so often.


So when i do this, i don't want an issue where i'm suddenly stuck and not sure what to click on etc. 


But it should just display my Bitcoin SV like how BCH just appeared on electroncash after typing in my electrum seed right?

Barely anyone can really do that, and it would take a lot of time. Running a VM is much easier.

Probably.
Have you checked a block explorer yet? Lack of replay protection is serious.

What do you mean check block explorer?  I do not know what you mean by that.  I only know if you mean put your btc address or some other coin address in it to see the history of the transactions that address has made? 


So what am I suppose to do then?  When you say lack of replay protection is serious... I don't know what that means exactly but I know that isn't good for claiming the bitcoin SV.


The thing is I want to claim my bitcoin sv and gold and any other forks like diamond/private as soon as possible. But now you and others here say its not ask easy or its risky.  So I don't know what to do now.  Can anyone here who claimed bitcoin SV and gold and even private/diamond recently tell me how to do it?  There is no video on youtube to do this either etc.

I have a spare clean computer right now do download wallets for the hard forks. 


Where should I begin?  Again I know there is bitcoin sv, gold, and also diamond/private.  I want to obviously start with SV and then gold.

Find which addresses hold coins, get some Fork dust on BCH/BSV/BCH-A to enforce replay protection, move your funds, shred (https://www.computerhope.com/unix/shred.htm) the drive
BSV "Electrum" clone is weird, I prefer Coinomi. And I definitely don't trust the software.

How in the world would I know which addresses hold coins?  My btc was stored in electrum at the time all these forks occurred.  Then years later I downloaded electroncash and typed in my electrum seed and then BCH showed up there... then I moved it to the nano ledger.


So I have to open electrum up then and look at all the addresses btc was in around the time?  This is what I don't understand with this.



So there is no current step by step guide on this that I could follow that is posted somwhere?  There is no youtube video on this.

Must be talking about your original Electrum wallet where your BTC were stored;
if it's deleted, you can restore it from seed, cross-check the transaction history and address list, then find a way to get their balances in different chains.
eg.: using blockexplorers.

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Alternatively, you can create a "watching only" wallet in Electrum clones or other Altcoin wallets to check the balances.
For example/guide:

• Get and copy your master public key from (BTC) Electrum menu: "Wallet->Information"
• Open ElectrumSV and create a new wallet, name it "watching only".
• Click "Add Account->Import from text" and paste your master public key in the next window.
• After the rest of the set-up, the balance should show-up after syncing (few minutes).
• Addresses with balance is listed in the 'Keys' tab: "View->Show keys" (double-click to display the address/key; your watching only wallet will only display 'public keys').

The watch-only wallet set-up should be similar with other Electrum clones or other wallets, the important step is the export/import of the master public key.

(You wont find Electrum users here in the Altcoin board, BTW)

So are you telling me I cannot claim my bitcoin SV just with the electrum seed after I download the electrumsv.io wallet?  I want to make sure of this before I start the process.  I don't want to get stuck and not sure what to do.

The reply above is if you want to check the balance before exporting the keys to another wallet.
I already told you in my reply in the first page the steps; it can be claimed as long as the script type is supported by BitcoinSV.

Here's some test (mainnet - p2pkh):

Electrum wallet's seed:
https://i.imgur.com/uY92BwU.png (https://i.imgur.com/uY92BwU.png)

First and second address:

• 1274LZxnj7JmB49sHVaWo3givqpqeLUH9T
• 1DV9jegjr6BGE8KLrSM1bPHnt262DH2gw1

Restore to ElectrumSV:
https://i.imgur.com/QoqR23y.png (https://i.imgur.com/QoqR23y.png)
1st address:
https://i.imgur.com/wPcEGoW.png (https://i.imgur.com/wPcEGoW.png)

First address and the rest are the same as in Electrum so there should be a balance if you have a fork coin.

The issue here is I no longer have electrum and electroncash installed on my pc.  So I would need to resintall both of these programs on my pc to get these addresses?


I do remember I had a ton of change addresses on my electrum such as you saw tiny bit of btc in many different addresses.



Also the other issue is where would I even send or sell these bitcoin forks?  I know i could send BTG to my nano ledger.  But I don't see any site or exchange where I could send the BSV to?  With bitcoin diamond and private where would I even send these coins to?  I don't mind keeping them or just selling them.  The last thing I would probably want to do is keep these coins in their own wallets... which might even have malware etc.  But I would not want to download these wallets on my main computer etc.

So I need to restore my electrum wallet as well on the computer... is that what you are saying?  Would it be fine to install electrum on a separate pc with the electrum seed and install electrum sv wallet on that same pc?  I kind of don't want electrum installed on my main pc anymore etc.  But I think i might still download it later on.


But even after doing all this, where do i even send the bitcoin sv to?  I would want a place to hold the bitcoin sv or just sell it immediately for btc or usdt etc.  The thing is i just want to claim all these forks now. 

I downloaded electrumSV from


https://www.electrumsv.io



I then tried to verify electrumSV by just properties and checking it that way.  Can others here confirm that is all that is needed as long as the details show signed by BitcoinAssociation?

So I read apparently if have bitcoin cash and SV, you also get XEC which is Ecash?  Is this true or not?  I heard you get this and the value of it is actually a bit less than Bitcoin SV?

Okay so I still haven't done this yet.  The only thing I claimed back then was bitcoin cash and that was downloading electroncash a while back to claim it.  I had kept btc in electrum at the time of the bitcoin cash and bitcoin gold fork.  Then a while later, got a nano ledger s and then sent the bitcoin to nano ledger s.  



Then I downloaded electron cash and entered my electrum seed and then bitcoin cash showed up there.  Then I sent the bitcoin cash to nano ledger s.  The bitcoin is now in a nano ledger s plus.



So I read I can still claim bitcoin sv and bitcoin gold.  But I read you can also claim ecash and bitcoin diamond?  



Now I heard with bitcoin gold you can either download the bitcoingold wallet from the site and enter your electrum seed into it or you can download coinomi on your iphone or android device and enter your seed to do it. Is this the easiest way to do it?  Whether you download the bitcoingold wallet on your laptop or the coinomi app on your phone and enter your electrum seed and the bitcoin gold will be there?  Now the thing is where would you then send the bitcoin gold to?  I mean you can keep it in that computer wallet or phone wallet but it's better to move it to the nano ledger s plus right?  The other issue is the exchanges that I have access to, I don't think they buy bitcoin gold so where I would I even sell it?  I assume I have to use those sites where you pay a decent fee to convert bitcoin gold to btc?  Then you send btc to your exchange to cash it?  I only have access to coinbase and gemini.



Now with bitcoin sv, you download the bitcoin sv program on your computer right and that is the easiest way?  However, I heard many people say something about replay protection so how do you make sure there is no mistake here?  The thing is you also enter your electrum seed into it to get the bitcoin sv or is that different?  The thing is when this fork happened, if you didn't claim your bch yet or if you claimed your bch already and now moved the bch or sold it, do you claim it a different way?  Like bitcoin gold, I don't have access to an exchange where I could sell it.  So I have to use those services like shapeshift etc for this?  The other thing is unlike bitcoin gold, the nano ledger s plus doesn't even support bitcoin sv so I can't send the bitcoin sv there to hold it there in the meantime.  Thoughts on that?


What about the ecash?  How do I claim that?  Also what about bitcoin diamond?  The thing is the nano ledger s doesn't support these 2 coins either so can't keep it there to hold.  Also, the exchanges I have access to doesn't even buy it so I have to keep it in whatever wallet it is or use shapeshift?


The other confusing thing is how many people even claimed these forks?  I mean most people who did claim a fork most probably claimed the bitcoin cash fork and maybe the bitcoin gold fork because that seems to be the most simple.  But what about bitcoin sv or ecash or bitcoin diamond?  I got to assume most people don't even know about ecash or bitcoin diamond right and only some know about the bitcoin sv fork?

I used coinomi myself, it was simple as you did with electron cash, just import seed, add forked coin and balance equivalent to btc held during snapshot would show up.

Coinomi is under suspicions these days but shouldn't be worry since you gonna transfer coins immediately to HW.

Edit:

Import your seed in coinomi, select these two from list of coins, your airdropped coins should show up.

Convert it to btc and send it your ledger through https://swapspace.co/

Do same with Bitcoin SV.

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I have no idea about Bitcoin diamond and ecash, wait other users responses.

No surprise there. That's kinda your thing. Everything you need to know has been posted already, but you keep asking the same thing.

How about I do it for you? You've seen my Fork claiming service (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2836875.msg29086320#msg29086320). Read that post, read the next post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2836875.msg56494521#msg56494521), ignore the Forkcoin values mentioned there (Forkcoins in general keep dropping), offer me a percentage, email me everything I need to know, and this can be done by tomorrow.